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1. 05:46 AM - Re: Broadhead 2004 (Gnwac@cs.com)
2. 07:00 AM - Larry's Tennis Ball Bird (Steve Eldredge)
3. 07:14 AM - Re: Larry's Tennis Ball Bird (Eric Williams)
4. 08:21 AM - Re: Infomation Sheet (Isablcorky@aol.com)
5. 12:49 PM - My "Stick and Rudder" is on it's way (walt evans)
6. 01:09 PM - PIET Pictures (Mike King)
7. 02:16 PM - Buying spruce for AirCamper (At7000ft@aol.com)
8. 02:23 PM - Re: Buying spruce for AirCamper (Isablcorky@aol.com)
9. 03:54 PM - Re: Buying spruce for AirCamper (walt evans)
10. 04:43 PM - FW: 6 peteskis (John McNarry)
11. 05:01 PM - Re: Buying spruce for AirCamper (At7000ft@aol.com)
12. 05:07 PM - Re: Buying spruce for AirCamper (At7000ft@aol.com)
13. 05:24 PM - wing & fabic/paint weights (DJ Vegh)
14. 05:30 PM - Re: Buying spruce for AirCamper (DJ Vegh)
15. 05:35 PM - Re: Buying spruce for AirCamper (DJ Vegh)
16. 06:13 PM - Re: wing & fabic/paint weights (Jack Phillips)
17. 06:29 PM - Re: FW: 6 peteskis (John Dilatush)
18. 06:38 PM - Re: PIET Pictures (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
19. 06:55 PM - Re: PIET Pictures (Michael King)
20. 06:55 PM - Re: PIET Pictures (Jim Markle)
21. 07:47 PM - Re: Infomation Sheet (Rcaprd@aol.com)
22. 07:53 PM - Ground School (Michael Fisher)
23. 08:59 PM - Re: Ground School (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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Subject: | Re: Broadhead 2004 |
Chuck,
That kind of specific info would be helpful to myself, a begining Piet
builder.
I am also looking forward to my first of many trips to Broadhead this
year and meeting some of you on the list and placing a face with an email
address.
Thanks,
Greg Menoche
Delaware
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Subject: | Larry's Tennis Ball Bird |
Congrats to Larry on his superb job (again) on his piet. Checkout Sport
Aviation this month for a great article by Jack Cox.
Well done my friend!
Steve E
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LAWRENCE
WILLIAMS
Subject: Pietenpol-List: airfoils and landings
If you want to learn (from a book???) all about the mechanics of
landing, by all means get "Stick and Rudder" and read it from cover-to
cover. You'll be so stoked on taildraggers that you'll want to RUN to
the airport and try everything out that you just learned.
As far as the airfoils go........... Chill out! The "purists" aren't
throwing stones at anyone, but try to understand that most of us build a
Piet because we WANT IT LIKE IT IS. We usually don't pick a design and
then try to see how to make it different or "better" (Grega), we pick
the design because that's what we want. Sure little details creep in,
that's just a personality thing, but if you bust into a Lancair group
and start telling them that their nosewheel ought to be on the tail
based on your vast experience, you'd probably get some static there as
well. Do what you want to do and then let us hear the results. We'd be
more interested then as has been demonstrated over and over on this (and
many other) sites.
$.02
Larry
ps. has anyone seen the Red Betsy???
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Subject: | Larry's Tennis Ball Bird |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams" <ewilliams805@msn.com>
Yes, I agree. Great article - great airplane. I stayed at Oshkosh this
year in the Flight Line Safety bunkhouse with a friend of mine and Larry's
plane was tied down right next to that area. I gawked at it every day
(along with many other people).
>From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Larry's Tennis Ball Bird
>Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:00:02 -0700
>
>Congrats to Larry on his superb job (again) on his piet. Checkout Sport
>Aviation this month for a great article by Jack Cox.
>
>
>Well done my friend!
>
>
>Steve E
>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LAWRENCE
>WILLIAMS
>Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 6:11 AM
>To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: airfoils and landings
>
>
>If you want to learn (from a book???) all about the mechanics of
>landing, by all means get "Stick and Rudder" and read it from cover-to
>cover. You'll be so stoked on taildraggers that you'll want to RUN to
>the airport and try everything out that you just learned.
>
>
>As far as the airfoils go........... Chill out! The "purists" aren't
>throwing stones at anyone, but try to understand that most of us build a
>Piet because we WANT IT LIKE IT IS. We usually don't pick a design and
>then try to see how to make it different or "better" (Grega), we pick
>the design because that's what we want. Sure little details creep in,
>that's just a personality thing, but if you bust into a Lancair group
>and start telling them that their nosewheel ought to be on the tail
>based on your vast experience, you'd probably get some static there as
>well. Do what you want to do and then let us hear the results. We'd be
>more interested then as has been demonstrated over and over on this (and
>many other) sites.
>
>
>$.02
>
>
>Larry
>
>
>ps. has anyone seen the Red Betsy???
>
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Subject: | Re: Infomation Sheet |
Chuck,
Listed below is the information you suggested we send you. Hope it's of use
to the group.
N Number- NX41CC
Name- Corky
Claude M Corbett
625 Pierremont Rd
Shreveport, La 71106
318 868 3385 Isablcorky@aol.co
Test Pilot- Mr Edwin Johnson, Email, elj@shreve.net
Type- Pietenpol Aircamper Short Fuselage
Empty weight- 616 lbs
Gross weight- 1075 lbs
Engine- Continental A-65
Prop- Hagy Wood 72X42, 8 lbs
Empty CG- Datum LE, 12.64 inches
W/Pilot, Pass, full fuel,bagg- 19.55 in 32.59%
Pilot weight- 190
Max Pax/Bgg- 172 lbs
Wind rearward from vertical cabane- 4 inches
Cabane length. 2 inches longer than plans
Cowling material-Alum 2024 .25 for complete cowling.
Covering- 1.8 w/ Poly system
Wheels- Cessna/Cleveland hyd throughout
Tailwheel- Steerable Scott w/ two leaf flat spring.
Wheels- Cleveland 6.00-6
Brakes- Heel w/ Cessna cyls
Main gear- split axle w/ Steel springs
Seat belts and shoulder harnesses both cockpits.
Fuel- forward alum tank 16+ gals
Engine mount extended 1 1/2 inches.
Wood materials. Fuse and tail feathers sitka spruce. Wing spars and braces
douglas fir. Wing ribs southern pine. All gussets mah and birch aero plywood
Date of airworthiness certificate 9/2802
Date first flight: 2 Oct 02 Test Pilot for first 25 hrs, Edwin Johnson
For flight data and characteristic during test period please contact Mr.
Johnson
12 Jan 2004
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Subject: | My "Stick and Rudder" is on it's way |
I ordered my copy today. Should be "couch flying" by Thursday.
walt evans
NX140DL
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Group,
Could someone give me step-by-step instructions how to
post a few pictures for all to see.
I have pictures of a PIET that is now being used by the Texas Air
Museum. It is dressed up as a World War I German fighter
complete with a dummy machine gun and markings. The plane is
used in concert with another vintage plane to re-enact what is
believed to be the first dogfight. See their web site for more
information: http://www.texasairmuseum.com/
Thanks for your help.
Mike King
GN-1
77MK
Dallas, Texas
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Subject: | Buying spruce for AirCamper |
SUBJ_BUY
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com
Not having a lot of experience dealing with Aircraft Spruce or Wicks (yet) I was
wondering if some of you veterans would give me your opinion on this:
Aircraft Spruce has an AirCamper spruce kit for $804. Since Wicks has no equivalent
kit I asked AS for the kit part list, (the contents matched that of an Excel
spreadsheet I have seen posted at this site) sent the list to Wicks and they
came back with a price of $1075. Then I added up the AS prices for the list
items and came up with around $1070. The AS rep said the $804 price is discounted
because its a kit, however the lead time is 1 to 2 months. Wicks claims a
1 weeks lead time.
I can't believe AS is discounting spruce this much and there must be a catch, problem
is I may need to wait 2 months to find out what it is. Has anyone else
ordered this wood kit from Aircraft Spruce before?
Thanks
Rick Holland
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Subject: | Re: Buying spruce for AirCamper |
Rick,
May I ask what parts are covered with this kit? Wing and aelerion spars
included????
Corky
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Subject: | Re: Buying spruce for AirCamper |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Rick,
I think the list you saw from AS&S was mine. This is from like 5 years ago.
They sent me a quote , and the wood list that it was based on. It was
pretty much right on the money. Back then it was $1,100.00/$1,200.00 for
all the spruce. (no plywood) I was pleased with the order.
I could send you the copys of the wood list and the actual bill of lading.
Let me know and I'll send it to you directly.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: <At7000ft@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Buying spruce for AirCamper
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com
>
> Not having a lot of experience dealing with Aircraft Spruce or Wicks (yet)
I was wondering if some of you veterans would give me your opinion on this:
>
> Aircraft Spruce has an AirCamper spruce kit for $804. Since Wicks has no
equivalent kit I asked AS for the kit part list, (the contents matched that
of an Excel spreadsheet I have seen posted at this site) sent the list to
Wicks and they came back with a price of $1075. Then I added up the AS
prices for the list items and came up with around $1070. The AS rep said the
$804 price is discounted because its a kit, however the lead time is 1 to 2
months. Wicks claims a 1 weeks lead time.
>
> I can't believe AS is discounting spruce this much and there must be a
catch, problem is I may need to wait 2 months to find out what it is. Has
anyone else ordered this wood kit from Aircraft Spruce before?
>
> Thanks
>
> Rick Holland
>
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Wolk [mailto:shawnwolk@sprint.ca]
McGavin; Russ Wasylyk; Robin Doig; Mark LaRochelle; Kevin Antonyshyn;
Kenney Family; Ken John McNarry; John Hollosi; jackie wood;
Howard Gerber; Glenm Miller; Glen Tait; Glen Konowalchuk; Glen Garbutt;
Ed Lins; Earl Wiebe; denny knott; David Malcolm; Dave Johnson; dave
malcolm; Darren Lysak; Chuck Sava; Chris Billard; brandonflyingclub; Bob
Lockwood
Subject: Fw: 6 peteskis
Now this is winter flying!!
ShawnWolk
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Subject: | Re: Buying spruce for AirCamper |
Corky
See the attached gif file. Seems to include everything but rib capstrip.
Rick
>May I ask what parts are covered with this kit? Wing and aelerion spars
included????
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Subject: | Re: Buying spruce for AirCamper |
Hard to believe that the price of spruce has decreased over the last 5 years.
Rick Holland
I think the list you saw from AS&S was mine. This is from like 5 years ago.
They sent me a quote , and the wood list that it was based on. It was
pretty much right on the money. Back then it was $1,100.00/$1,200.00 for
all the spruce. (no plywood) I was pleased with the order.
I could send you the copys of the wood list and the actual bill of lading.
Let me know and I'll send it to you directly.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: <At7000ft@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Buying spruce for AirCamper
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com
>
> Not having a lot of experience dealing with Aircraft Spruce or Wicks (yet)
I was wondering if some of you veterans would give me your opinion on this:
>
> Aircraft Spruce has an AirCamper spruce kit for $804. Since Wicks has no
equivalent kit I asked AS for the kit part list, (the contents matched that
of an Excel spreadsheet I have seen posted at this site) sent the list to
Wicks and they came back with a price of $1075. Then I added up the AS
prices for the list items and came up with around $1070. The AS rep said the
$804 price is discounted because its a kit, however the lead time is 1 to 2
months. Wicks claims a 1 weeks lead time.
>
> I can't believe AS is discounting spruce this much and there must be a
catch, problem is I may need to wait 2 months to find out what it is. Has
anyone else ordered this wood kit from Aircraft Spruce before?
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Subject: | wing & fabic/paint weights |
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Subject: | Re: Buying spruce for AirCamper |
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Subject: | Re: Buying spruce for AirCamper |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
there is no catch other than the lead time that they say is 1-2 months is
more like 3 months. I bought my spruce kit there and the price was great
but the wait was horrible. it took almost 4 months for me to get it. Wood
quality was excellent to above excellent.
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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----- Original Message -----
From: <At7000ft@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Buying spruce for AirCamper
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com
>
> Not having a lot of experience dealing with Aircraft Spruce or Wicks (yet)
I was wondering if some of you veterans would give me your opinion on this:
>
> Aircraft Spruce has an AirCamper spruce kit for $804. Since Wicks has no
equivalent kit I asked AS for the kit part list, (the contents matched that
of an Excel spreadsheet I have seen posted at this site) sent the list to
Wicks and they came back with a price of $1075. Then I added up the AS
prices for the list items and came up with around $1070. The AS rep said the
$804 price is discounted because its a kit, however the lead time is 1 to 2
months. Wicks claims a 1 weeks lead time.
>
> I can't believe AS is discounting spruce this much and there must be a
catch, problem is I may need to wait 2 months to find out what it is. Has
anyone else ordered this wood kit from Aircraft Spruce before?
>
> Thanks
>
> Rick Holland
>
>
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Subject: | wing & fabic/paint weights |
Weight depends on what process you cover it with. Polyfiber (Stit's) should
weigh about 45 lbs total, according to their manual.
My wings weighed about 40 lbs apeice before covering.
Jack Phillips
Finished covering, now waiting for the WX to warm up enough to start
painting
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing & fabic/paint weights
I'm doing some rough W&B calc's so I can design my engine mount and am
wondering what the average weight of a wing panel is. A completed wing
minus fabric.
Also, what is the average weight of all the fabric and paint.
I need to figure out where this 220lb Corvair engine needs to sit.
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper <http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper>
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Subject: | Re: FW: 6 peteskis |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "John McNarry" <jmcnarry@escape.ca>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: 6 peteskis
===================================
John,
Holy Cow! And I'm sitting here bitching about our weather!
John
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shawn Wolk [mailto:shawnwolk@sprint.ca]
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 1:15 AM
> To: Wilf Dux; Wayne Mather; Victor Buckwold; Tracy Sandra
> McGavin; Russ Wasylyk; Robin Doig; Mark LaRochelle; Kevin Antonyshyn;
> Kenney Family; Ken John McNarry; John Hollosi; jackie wood;
> Howard Gerber; Glenm Miller; Glen Tait; Glen Konowalchuk; Glen Garbutt;
> Ed Lins; Earl Wiebe; denny knott; David Malcolm; Dave Johnson; dave
> malcolm; Darren Lysak; Chuck Sava; Chris Billard; brandonflyingclub; Bob
> Lockwood
> Subject: Fw: 6 peteskis
>
>
> Now this is winter flying!!
>
> ShawnWolk
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Subject: | Re: PIET Pictures |
Mike,
I would like to see these photos. Depending on which email software you use,
the process can vary. The easiest way would be to "forward " the original
email you received with the attached pictures.
If you have already downloaded them to a file on your computer, 1st start a
new email to the piet list. Then use the "attachments" feature (sometimes
displayed as a paperclip on your tool bar). Whenever you click on the attach
button, then browse to the location where the pictures are saved on your computer.
Select them one by one with the Ctrl key held down. Then click on the OK
button on the screen or hit Enter on your keyboard. This should complete the
attach process. Then just click "send". I hope this works.
If not, there are some other ways. One way would be to upload them to the
matronics photo posting page. Follow the link at the bottom of this email.
Another way would be to post them on www.mykitplane.com. Go to the web address
and follow the instructions.
Thanks for going to the trouble for the Piet gang. Best wishes.
Terry Bowden
ph (254) 715-4773
fax (254) 853-3805
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Terry,
I am going to forward the original email to you. It will
be two separate emails from two different folks at the
museum.
By the Jim M. in Plano is going to submit the pictures
to the discussion group.
Take care buddy.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of BARNSTMR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PIET Pictures
Mike,
I would like to see these photos. Depending on which email software you use, the
process can vary. The easiest way would be to "forward " the original email you
received with the attached pictures.
If you have already downloaded them to a file on your computer, 1st start a new
email
to the piet list. Then use the "attachments" feature (sometimes displayed as a
paperclip on your tool bar). Whenever you click on the attach button, then browse
to
the location where the pictures are saved on your computer. Select them one by
one
with the Ctrl key held down. Then click on the OK button on the screen or hit
Enter
on your keyboard. This should complete the attach process. Then just click "send".
I hope this works.
If not, there are some other ways. One way would be to upload them to the matronics
photo posting page. Follow the link at the bottom of this email. Another way
would
be to post them on www.mykitplane.com. Go to the web address and follow the
instructions.
Thanks for going to the trouble for the Piet gang. Best wishes.
Terry Bowden
ph (254) 715-4773
fax (254) 853-3805
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Subject: | Re: PIET Pictures |
We'll have them posted to mykitplane.com AND the matronics photo share tomorrow.
And I agree with Terry, thanks Mike!
Jim Markle
----- Original Message -----
From: BARNSTMR@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PIET Pictures
Mike,
I would like to see these photos. Depending on which email software you use,
the process can vary. The easiest way would be to "forward " the original email
you received with the attached pictures.
If you have already downloaded them to a file on your computer, 1st start a new
email to the piet list. Then use the "attachments" feature (sometimes displayed
as a paperclip on your tool bar). Whenever you click on the attach button,
then browse to the location where the pictures are saved on your computer.
Select them one by one with the Ctrl key held down. Then click on the OK button
on the screen or hit Enter on your keyboard. This should complete the attach
process. Then just click "send". I hope this works.
If not, there are some other ways. One way would be to upload them to the matronics photo posting page. Follow the link at the bottom of this email. Another way would be to post them on www.mykitplane.com. Go to the web address and follow the instructions.
Thanks for going to the trouble for the Piet gang. Best wishes.
Terry Bowden
ph (254) 715-4773
fax (254) 853-3805
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Subject: | Re: Infomation Sheet |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 1/12/04 10:22:24 AM Central Standard Time,
Isablcorky@aol.com writes:
<< Chuck,
Listed below is the information you suggested we send you. Hope it's of use
to the group. >>
Yes, this is what I'm typeing about !! Keep 'em comming !!! I'd like to
see everyone that is building or flying to fill out this sheet. Very helpful.
Chuck Gantzer
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael Fisher <mfisher@gci.net>
Piet List Friends,
Here is my $.02 in support of the advice offered by Larry Williams and Grahm Hansen:
Read and understand,"Stick and Rudder" by Wolfgang Langewieshe". I have
often suggested this as a reading assignment for my primary and advanced students.
Those who read the book and discussed it during preflight and postflight
sessions did well. Those with short attention spans who needed to be spoon
fed from the bowl of knowledge had some problems. I always charge a premium price
for dual instruction, but seldom have any complaints. It takes me over two
hours to deliver one hour of logable flight instruction. Conducting ground
school in a moving airplane is a poor idea. Another common mistake is to introduce
landing practice way too early. The student should be very comfortable
in slow flight, stalls, power off gliding turns and flying beautiful, symmetrical
patterns with low passes right on the runway centerline. Then, and only then,
should landings be practiced. Full stop landin
gs are much better than touch and go landings. Ground loops and noseovers happen
at low speed. You will experience happy takeoffs, secure in your confidence
that the ensuing landing is not going to be a white knuckle experience.
Happy takeoffs, Mike Fisher
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Subject: | Re: Ground School |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 1/12/04 9:53:51 PM Central Standard Time, mfisher@gci.net
writes:
<< Piet List Friends,
Here is my $.02 in support of the advice offered by Larry Williams and Grahm
Hansen: Read and understand,"Stick and Rudder" by Wolfgang Langewieshe". >>
Ditto on the read. I've read it several times, and still keep it within
reach of my lazy boy chair !! He refers to the elevators as the 'flippers'. The
word 'elevator' implies that is what makes the plane climb and decend, when
in fact it is 'Power' that controls altitude. The 'Flippers' control the
speed. Doesn't matter if you're flying a Pietenpol, or the Space Shuttle.
Chuck G.
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