---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/12/04: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:46 AM - Re: Broadhead 2004 (Gnwac@cs.com) 2. 07:00 AM - Larry's Tennis Ball Bird (Steve Eldredge) 3. 07:14 AM - Re: Larry's Tennis Ball Bird (Eric Williams) 4. 08:21 AM - Re: Infomation Sheet (Isablcorky@aol.com) 5. 12:49 PM - My "Stick and Rudder" is on it's way (walt evans) 6. 01:09 PM - PIET Pictures (Mike King) 7. 02:16 PM - Buying spruce for AirCamper (At7000ft@aol.com) 8. 02:23 PM - Re: Buying spruce for AirCamper (Isablcorky@aol.com) 9. 03:54 PM - Re: Buying spruce for AirCamper (walt evans) 10. 04:43 PM - FW: 6 peteskis (John McNarry) 11. 05:01 PM - Re: Buying spruce for AirCamper (At7000ft@aol.com) 12. 05:07 PM - Re: Buying spruce for AirCamper (At7000ft@aol.com) 13. 05:24 PM - wing & fabic/paint weights (DJ Vegh) 14. 05:30 PM - Re: Buying spruce for AirCamper (DJ Vegh) 15. 05:35 PM - Re: Buying spruce for AirCamper (DJ Vegh) 16. 06:13 PM - Re: wing & fabic/paint weights (Jack Phillips) 17. 06:29 PM - Re: FW: 6 peteskis (John Dilatush) 18. 06:38 PM - Re: PIET Pictures (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 19. 06:55 PM - Re: PIET Pictures (Michael King) 20. 06:55 PM - Re: PIET Pictures (Jim Markle) 21. 07:47 PM - Re: Infomation Sheet (Rcaprd@aol.com) 22. 07:53 PM - Ground School (Michael Fisher) 23. 08:59 PM - Re: Ground School (Rcaprd@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:58 AM PST US From: Gnwac@cs.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Broadhead 2004 Chuck, That kind of specific info would be helpful to myself, a begining Piet builder. I am also looking forward to my first of many trips to Broadhead this year and meeting some of you on the list and placing a face with an email address. Thanks, Greg Menoche Delaware ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Larry's Tennis Ball Bird From: "Steve Eldredge" Congrats to Larry on his superb job (again) on his piet. Checkout Sport Aviation this month for a great article by Jack Cox. Well done my friend! Steve E ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LAWRENCE WILLIAMS Subject: Pietenpol-List: airfoils and landings If you want to learn (from a book???) all about the mechanics of landing, by all means get "Stick and Rudder" and read it from cover-to cover. You'll be so stoked on taildraggers that you'll want to RUN to the airport and try everything out that you just learned. As far as the airfoils go........... Chill out! The "purists" aren't throwing stones at anyone, but try to understand that most of us build a Piet because we WANT IT LIKE IT IS. We usually don't pick a design and then try to see how to make it different or "better" (Grega), we pick the design because that's what we want. Sure little details creep in, that's just a personality thing, but if you bust into a Lancair group and start telling them that their nosewheel ought to be on the tail based on your vast experience, you'd probably get some static there as well. Do what you want to do and then let us hear the results. We'd be more interested then as has been demonstrated over and over on this (and many other) sites. $.02 Larry ps. has anyone seen the Red Betsy??? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:18 AM PST US From: "Eric Williams" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Larry's Tennis Ball Bird --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams" Yes, I agree. Great article - great airplane. I stayed at Oshkosh this year in the Flight Line Safety bunkhouse with a friend of mine and Larry's plane was tied down right next to that area. I gawked at it every day (along with many other people). >From: "Steve Eldredge" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Larry's Tennis Ball Bird >Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:00:02 -0700 > >Congrats to Larry on his superb job (again) on his piet. Checkout Sport >Aviation this month for a great article by Jack Cox. > > >Well done my friend! > > >Steve E > > >________________________________ > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LAWRENCE >WILLIAMS >Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 6:11 AM >To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server >Subject: Pietenpol-List: airfoils and landings > > >If you want to learn (from a book???) all about the mechanics of >landing, by all means get "Stick and Rudder" and read it from cover-to >cover. You'll be so stoked on taildraggers that you'll want to RUN to >the airport and try everything out that you just learned. > > >As far as the airfoils go........... Chill out! The "purists" aren't >throwing stones at anyone, but try to understand that most of us build a >Piet because we WANT IT LIKE IT IS. We usually don't pick a design and >then try to see how to make it different or "better" (Grega), we pick >the design because that's what we want. Sure little details creep in, >that's just a personality thing, but if you bust into a Lancair group >and start telling them that their nosewheel ought to be on the tail >based on your vast experience, you'd probably get some static there as >well. Do what you want to do and then let us hear the results. We'd be >more interested then as has been demonstrated over and over on this (and >many other) sites. > > >$.02 > > >Larry > > >ps. has anyone seen the Red Betsy??? > Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software optimizes dial-up to the max! ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:44 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Infomation Sheet Chuck, Listed below is the information you suggested we send you. Hope it's of use to the group. N Number- NX41CC Name- Corky Claude M Corbett 625 Pierremont Rd Shreveport, La 71106 318 868 3385 Isablcorky@aol.co Test Pilot- Mr Edwin Johnson, Email, elj@shreve.net Type- Pietenpol Aircamper Short Fuselage Empty weight- 616 lbs Gross weight- 1075 lbs Engine- Continental A-65 Prop- Hagy Wood 72X42, 8 lbs Empty CG- Datum LE, 12.64 inches W/Pilot, Pass, full fuel,bagg- 19.55 in 32.59% Pilot weight- 190 Max Pax/Bgg- 172 lbs Wind rearward from vertical cabane- 4 inches Cabane length. 2 inches longer than plans Cowling material-Alum 2024 .25 for complete cowling. Covering- 1.8 w/ Poly system Wheels- Cessna/Cleveland hyd throughout Tailwheel- Steerable Scott w/ two leaf flat spring. Wheels- Cleveland 6.00-6 Brakes- Heel w/ Cessna cyls Main gear- split axle w/ Steel springs Seat belts and shoulder harnesses both cockpits. Fuel- forward alum tank 16+ gals Engine mount extended 1 1/2 inches. Wood materials. Fuse and tail feathers sitka spruce. Wing spars and braces douglas fir. Wing ribs southern pine. All gussets mah and birch aero plywood Date of airworthiness certificate 9/2802 Date first flight: 2 Oct 02 Test Pilot for first 25 hrs, Edwin Johnson For flight data and characteristic during test period please contact Mr. Johnson 12 Jan 2004 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:49:19 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Pietenpol-List: My "Stick and Rudder" is on it's way I ordered my copy today. Should be "couch flying" by Thursday. walt evans NX140DL ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:09:54 PM PST US From: "Mike King" Subject: Pietenpol-List: PIET Pictures Group, Could someone give me step-by-step instructions how to post a few pictures for all to see. I have pictures of a PIET that is now being used by the Texas Air Museum. It is dressed up as a World War I German fighter complete with a dummy machine gun and markings. The plane is used in concert with another vintage plane to re-enact what is believed to be the first dogfight. See their web site for more information: http://www.texasairmuseum.com/ Thanks for your help. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas --- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:16:09 PM PST US From: At7000ft@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Buying spruce for AirCamper SUBJ_BUY --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com Not having a lot of experience dealing with Aircraft Spruce or Wicks (yet) I was wondering if some of you veterans would give me your opinion on this: Aircraft Spruce has an AirCamper spruce kit for $804. Since Wicks has no equivalent kit I asked AS for the kit part list, (the contents matched that of an Excel spreadsheet I have seen posted at this site) sent the list to Wicks and they came back with a price of $1075. Then I added up the AS prices for the list items and came up with around $1070. The AS rep said the $804 price is discounted because its a kit, however the lead time is 1 to 2 months. Wicks claims a 1 weeks lead time. I can't believe AS is discounting spruce this much and there must be a catch, problem is I may need to wait 2 months to find out what it is. Has anyone else ordered this wood kit from Aircraft Spruce before? Thanks Rick Holland ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:23:17 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Buying spruce for AirCamper Rick, May I ask what parts are covered with this kit? Wing and aelerion spars included???? Corky ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:09 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Buying spruce for AirCamper --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" Rick, I think the list you saw from AS&S was mine. This is from like 5 years ago. They sent me a quote , and the wood list that it was based on. It was pretty much right on the money. Back then it was $1,100.00/$1,200.00 for all the spruce. (no plywood) I was pleased with the order. I could send you the copys of the wood list and the actual bill of lading. Let me know and I'll send it to you directly. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Buying spruce for AirCamper > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com > > Not having a lot of experience dealing with Aircraft Spruce or Wicks (yet) I was wondering if some of you veterans would give me your opinion on this: > > Aircraft Spruce has an AirCamper spruce kit for $804. Since Wicks has no equivalent kit I asked AS for the kit part list, (the contents matched that of an Excel spreadsheet I have seen posted at this site) sent the list to Wicks and they came back with a price of $1075. Then I added up the AS prices for the list items and came up with around $1070. The AS rep said the $804 price is discounted because its a kit, however the lead time is 1 to 2 months. Wicks claims a 1 weeks lead time. > > I can't believe AS is discounting spruce this much and there must be a catch, problem is I may need to wait 2 months to find out what it is. Has anyone else ordered this wood kit from Aircraft Spruce before? > > Thanks > > Rick Holland > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:43:19 PM PST US From: "John McNarry" Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: 6 peteskis -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Wolk [mailto:shawnwolk@sprint.ca] McGavin; Russ Wasylyk; Robin Doig; Mark LaRochelle; Kevin Antonyshyn; Kenney Family; Ken John McNarry; John Hollosi; jackie wood; Howard Gerber; Glenm Miller; Glen Tait; Glen Konowalchuk; Glen Garbutt; Ed Lins; Earl Wiebe; denny knott; David Malcolm; Dave Johnson; dave malcolm; Darren Lysak; Chuck Sava; Chris Billard; brandonflyingclub; Bob Lockwood Subject: Fw: 6 peteskis Now this is winter flying!! ShawnWolk C-FRAZ ---- ---- ---- ---- > > IMG_4059.JPG > > ---- ---- ---- ---- > > IMG_4064.JPG > > ---- ---- ---- ---- > > IMG_4069.JPG > > ---- ---- ---- ---- > > IMG_4070.JPG > > ---- ---- ---- ---- > > IMG_4071.JPG > > ---- ---- ---- ---- > > IMG_4058.JPG > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:27 PM PST US From: At7000ft@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Buying spruce for AirCamper Corky See the attached gif file. Seems to include everything but rib capstrip. Rick >May I ask what parts are covered with this kit? Wing and aelerion spars included???? ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:02 PM PST US From: At7000ft@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Buying spruce for AirCamper Hard to believe that the price of spruce has decreased over the last 5 years. Rick Holland I think the list you saw from AS&S was mine. This is from like 5 years ago. They sent me a quote , and the wood list that it was based on. It was pretty much right on the money. Back then it was $1,100.00/$1,200.00 for all the spruce. (no plywood) I was pleased with the order. I could send you the copys of the wood list and the actual bill of lading. Let me know and I'll send it to you directly. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Buying spruce for AirCamper > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com > > Not having a lot of experience dealing with Aircraft Spruce or Wicks (yet) I was wondering if some of you veterans would give me your opinion on this: > > Aircraft Spruce has an AirCamper spruce kit for $804. Since Wicks has no equivalent kit I asked AS for the kit part list, (the contents matched that of an Excel spreadsheet I have seen posted at this site) sent the list to Wicks and they came back with a price of $1075. Then I added up the AS prices for the list items and came up with around $1070. The AS rep said the $804 price is discounted because its a kit, however the lead time is 1 to 2 months. Wicks claims a 1 weeks lead time. > > I can't believe AS is discounting spruce this much and there must be a catch, problem is I may need to wait 2 months to find out what it is. Has anyone else ordered this wood kit from Aircraft Spruce before? ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:25 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing & fabic/paint weights tests=FORGED_OUTLOOK_TAGS, MIME_BASE64_LATIN, MIME_BASE64_NO_NAME, MIME_BASE64_TEXT SSdtIGRvaW5nIHNvbWUgcm91Z2ggVyZCIGNhbGMncyBzbyBJIGNhbiBkZXNpZ24gbXkgZW5naW5l IG1vdW50IGFuZCBhbSB3b25kZXJpbmcgd2hhdCB0aGUgYXZlcmFnZSB3ZWlnaHQgb2YgYSB3aW5n IHBhbmVsIGlzLiAgQSBjb21wbGV0ZWQgd2luZyBtaW51cyBmYWJyaWMuDQoNCkFsc28sICB3aGF0 IGlzIHRoZSBhdmVyYWdlIHdlaWdodCBvZiBhbGwgdGhlIGZhYnJpYyBhbmQgcGFpbnQuDQoNCkkg bmVlZCB0byBmaWd1cmUgb3V0IHdoZXJlIHRoaXMgMjIwbGIgQ29ydmFpciBlbmdpbmUgbmVlZHMg dG8gc2l0Lg0KDQoNCkRKIFZlZ2gNCk43NERWDQpNZXNhLCBBWg0Kd3d3LmltYWdlZHYuY29tL2Fp cmNhbXBlcg0KDQoNCg0KLQ0K ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:30:51 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Buying spruce for AirCamper tests=FORGED_OUTLOOK_TAGS, MIME_BASE64_LATIN, MIME_BASE64_NO_NAME, MIME_BASE64_TEXT ZG9uJ3QgZm9yZ2V0IHRvIGFkZCBhYm91dCAkMTAwIG1vcmUgZm9yIHNvbWUgbW9yZSBzcHJ1Y2Ug eW91ciBnb25uYSBoYXZlIHRvIGJ1eSB0aGF0IHRoZSBBUyZTIGxpc3QgZG9lc24ndCBzaG93LiAg DQoNCkRKIFZlZ2gNCk43NERWDQpNZXNhLCBBWg0Kd3d3LmltYWdlZHYuY29tL2FpcmNhbXBlcg0K DQoNCg0KLQ0KDQogIC0tLS0tIE9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UgLS0tLS0gDQogIEZyb206IEF0NzAw MGZ0QGFvbC5jb20gDQogIFRvOiBwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tIA0KICBTZW50 OiBNb25kYXksIEphbnVhcnkgMTIsIDIwMDQgNjowMCBQTQ0KICBTdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogUGlldGVu cG9sLUxpc3Q6IEJ1eWluZyBzcHJ1Y2UgZm9yIEFpckNhbXBlcg0KDQoNCiAgQ29ya3kNCg0KICBT ZWUgdGhlIGF0dGFjaGVkIGdpZiBmaWxlLiBTZWVtcyB0byBpbmNsdWRlIGV2ZXJ5dGhpbmcgYnV0 IHJpYiBjYXBzdHJpcC4NCg0KICBSaWNrDQoNCiAgPk1heSBJIGFzayB3aGF0IHBhcnRzIGFyZSBj b3ZlcmVkIHdpdGggdGhpcyBraXQ/IFdpbmcgYW5kIGFlbGVyaW9uIHNwYXJzIGluY2x1ZGVkPz8/ Pw0KDQoNCi0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLQ0KDQoNCg0K ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:28 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Buying spruce for AirCamper --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" there is no catch other than the lead time that they say is 1-2 months is more like 3 months. I bought my spruce kit there and the price was great but the wait was horrible. it took almost 4 months for me to get it. Wood quality was excellent to above excellent. DJ Vegh N74DV Mesa, AZ www.imagedv.com/aircamper - ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Buying spruce for AirCamper > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com > > Not having a lot of experience dealing with Aircraft Spruce or Wicks (yet) I was wondering if some of you veterans would give me your opinion on this: > > Aircraft Spruce has an AirCamper spruce kit for $804. Since Wicks has no equivalent kit I asked AS for the kit part list, (the contents matched that of an Excel spreadsheet I have seen posted at this site) sent the list to Wicks and they came back with a price of $1075. Then I added up the AS prices for the list items and came up with around $1070. The AS rep said the $804 price is discounted because its a kit, however the lead time is 1 to 2 months. Wicks claims a 1 weeks lead time. > > I can't believe AS is discounting spruce this much and there must be a catch, problem is I may need to wait 2 months to find out what it is. Has anyone else ordered this wood kit from Aircraft Spruce before? > > Thanks > > Rick Holland > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:07 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wing & fabic/paint weights Weight depends on what process you cover it with. Polyfiber (Stit's) should weigh about 45 lbs total, according to their manual. My wings weighed about 40 lbs apeice before covering. Jack Phillips Finished covering, now waiting for the WX to warm up enough to start painting -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DJ Vegh Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing & fabic/paint weights I'm doing some rough W&B calc's so I can design my engine mount and am wondering what the average weight of a wing panel is. A completed wing minus fabric. Also, what is the average weight of all the fabric and paint. I need to figure out where this 220lb Corvair engine needs to sit. DJ Vegh N74DV Mesa, AZ www.imagedv.com/aircamper - ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:06 PM PST US From: "John Dilatush" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: 6 peteskis --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McNarry" Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: 6 peteskis =================================== John, Holy Cow! And I'm sitting here bitching about our weather! John =================================== > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shawn Wolk [mailto:shawnwolk@sprint.ca] > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 1:15 AM > To: Wilf Dux; Wayne Mather; Victor Buckwold; Tracy Sandra > McGavin; Russ Wasylyk; Robin Doig; Mark LaRochelle; Kevin Antonyshyn; > Kenney Family; Ken John McNarry; John Hollosi; jackie wood; > Howard Gerber; Glenm Miller; Glen Tait; Glen Konowalchuk; Glen Garbutt; > Ed Lins; Earl Wiebe; denny knott; David Malcolm; Dave Johnson; dave > malcolm; Darren Lysak; Chuck Sava; Chris Billard; brandonflyingclub; Bob > Lockwood > Subject: Fw: 6 peteskis > > > Now this is winter flying!! > > ShawnWolk > C-FRAZ > > ---- > ---- > > > > > > > ---- > ---- > > > > > > IMG_4059.JPG > > > > > > > > > ---- > ---- > > > > > > > ---- > ---- > > > > > > IMG_4064.JPG > > > > > > > > > ---- > ---- > > > > > > > ---- > ---- > > > > > > IMG_4069.JPG > > > > > > > > > ---- > ---- > > > > > > > ---- > ---- > > > > > > IMG_4070.JPG > > > > > > > > > ---- > ---- > > > > > > > ---- > ---- > > > > > > IMG_4071.JPG > > > > > > > > > ---- > ---- > > > > > > > ---- > ---- > > > > > > IMG_4058.JPG > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:40 PM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PIET Pictures Mike, I would like to see these photos. Depending on which email software you use, the process can vary. The easiest way would be to "forward " the original email you received with the attached pictures. If you have already downloaded them to a file on your computer, 1st start a new email to the piet list. Then use the "attachments" feature (sometimes displayed as a paperclip on your tool bar). Whenever you click on the attach button, then browse to the location where the pictures are saved on your computer. Select them one by one with the Ctrl key held down. Then click on the OK button on the screen or hit Enter on your keyboard. This should complete the attach process. Then just click "send". I hope this works. If not, there are some other ways. One way would be to upload them to the matronics photo posting page. Follow the link at the bottom of this email. Another way would be to post them on www.mykitplane.com. Go to the web address and follow the instructions. Thanks for going to the trouble for the Piet gang. Best wishes. Terry Bowden ph (254) 715-4773 fax (254) 853-3805 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:00 PM PST US From: "Michael King" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: PIET Pictures Terry, I am going to forward the original email to you. It will be two separate emails from two different folks at the museum. By the Jim M. in Plano is going to submit the pictures to the discussion group. Take care buddy. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PIET Pictures Mike, I would like to see these photos. Depending on which email software you use, the process can vary. The easiest way would be to "forward " the original email you received with the attached pictures. If you have already downloaded them to a file on your computer, 1st start a new email to the piet list. Then use the "attachments" feature (sometimes displayed as a paperclip on your tool bar). Whenever you click on the attach button, then browse to the location where the pictures are saved on your computer. Select them one by one with the Ctrl key held down. Then click on the OK button on the screen or hit Enter on your keyboard. This should complete the attach process. Then just click "send". I hope this works. If not, there are some other ways. One way would be to upload them to the matronics photo posting page. Follow the link at the bottom of this email. Another way would be to post them on www.mykitplane.com. Go to the web address and follow the instructions. Thanks for going to the trouble for the Piet gang. Best wishes. Terry Bowden ph (254) 715-4773 fax (254) 853-3805 --- ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:16 PM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PIET Pictures We'll have them posted to mykitplane.com AND the matronics photo share tomorrow. And I agree with Terry, thanks Mike! Jim Markle ----- Original Message ----- From: BARNSTMR@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 8:38 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PIET Pictures Mike, I would like to see these photos. Depending on which email software you use, the process can vary. The easiest way would be to "forward " the original email you received with the attached pictures. If you have already downloaded them to a file on your computer, 1st start a new email to the piet list. Then use the "attachments" feature (sometimes displayed as a paperclip on your tool bar). Whenever you click on the attach button, then browse to the location where the pictures are saved on your computer. Select them one by one with the Ctrl key held down. Then click on the OK button on the screen or hit Enter on your keyboard. This should complete the attach process. Then just click "send". I hope this works. If not, there are some other ways. One way would be to upload them to the matronics photo posting page. Follow the link at the bottom of this email. Another way would be to post them on www.mykitplane.com. Go to the web address and follow the instructions. Thanks for going to the trouble for the Piet gang. Best wishes. Terry Bowden ph (254) 715-4773 fax (254) 853-3805 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:09 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Infomation Sheet --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 1/12/04 10:22:24 AM Central Standard Time, Isablcorky@aol.com writes: << Chuck, Listed below is the information you suggested we send you. Hope it's of use to the group. >> Yes, this is what I'm typeing about !! Keep 'em comming !!! I'd like to see everyone that is building or flying to fill out this sheet. Very helpful. Chuck Gantzer ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:29 PM PST US From: Michael Fisher Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ground School --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael Fisher Piet List Friends, Here is my $.02 in support of the advice offered by Larry Williams and Grahm Hansen: Read and understand,"Stick and Rudder" by Wolfgang Langewieshe". I have often suggested this as a reading assignment for my primary and advanced students. Those who read the book and discussed it during preflight and postflight sessions did well. Those with short attention spans who needed to be spoon fed from the bowl of knowledge had some problems. I always charge a premium price for dual instruction, but seldom have any complaints. It takes me over two hours to deliver one hour of logable flight instruction. Conducting ground school in a moving airplane is a poor idea. Another common mistake is to introduce landing practice way too early. The student should be very comfortable in slow flight, stalls, power off gliding turns and flying beautiful, symmetrical patterns with low passes right on the runway centerline. Then, and only then, should landings be practiced. Full stop landin gs are much better than touch and go landings. Ground loops and noseovers happen at low speed. You will experience happy takeoffs, secure in your confidence that the ensuing landing is not going to be a white knuckle experience. Happy takeoffs, Mike Fisher ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:00 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ground School --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 1/12/04 9:53:51 PM Central Standard Time, mfisher@gci.net writes: << Piet List Friends, Here is my $.02 in support of the advice offered by Larry Williams and Grahm Hansen: Read and understand,"Stick and Rudder" by Wolfgang Langewieshe". >> Ditto on the read. I've read it several times, and still keep it within reach of my lazy boy chair !! He refers to the elevators as the 'flippers'. The word 'elevator' implies that is what makes the plane climb and decend, when in fact it is 'Power' that controls altitude. The 'Flippers' control the speed. Doesn't matter if you're flying a Pietenpol, or the Space Shuttle. Chuck G.