---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/16/04: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:51 AM - Re: forged pistons (Ed Grentzer) 2. 05:35 AM - Re: forged pistons (Kent Hallsten) 3. 06:01 AM - Re: taildraggers (At7000ft@aol.com) 4. 06:29 AM - Re: Corvair trip to AL & Scanned Piet Article... (Robert Haines) 5. 07:36 PM - Re: landings (Ted Brousseau) 6. 08:47 PM - Texas Air Museum "German" Piet info (Mike Whaley) 7. 08:47 PM - List of Pietenpol articles from Sport Aviation, Experimenter, and Kitplanes (Mike Whaley) 8. 09:37 PM - Updated 'Infomation List' (Rcaprd@aol.com) 9. 11:29 PM - vi kapler hinges (Brants) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:42 AM PST US From: "Ed Grentzer" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: forged pistons --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer" Hi Rod I have built several V8 Ford and Chevy engines with forged pistons. Because the aluminum is denser than cast pistons they expand more when heated. the piston manufacturer should supply the clearance information. All of the forged pistons I have installed called for .005" skirt clearance. You can actually hear them rattleing in the engine when they are cold which I personally dont like but they quiet down when they are hot from being loaded. Hope this is of some help. Ed G. >From: "rod wooller" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: forged pistons >Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:37:23 +0800 > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "rod wooller" > > >Group, > >I have a set of +.030" forged pistons and I am about to have the barrells >bored to suit. >In the Corvair shop manual the piston to bore clearances are given as: Top >land .022" to .031" >and the skirt: .0011" to .0017". >I'm sure I recall reading somewhere that forged pistons require greater >clearances but I can't find where I read it. >Could someone who has rebuilt their own Corvair using forged pistons (or >anyone who has the knowledge) please clue me up on this. > >Many thanks, >Rod Wooller >Chidlow >Australia > >_________________________________________________________________ >Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to >http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp > > Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up fast & reliable Internet access with prime ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:53 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: forged pistons From: "Kent Hallsten" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kent Hallsten" > Rod, Have you joined this list? I remember your same question being discussed recently. Kent > See CorvAircraft list details at http://www.krnet.org/corvaircraft_inst.html ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:16 AM PST US From: At7000ft@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: taildraggers Thats right, after the divorce we only yelled when we were in an airplane. That was before the divorce, right? ----- Original Message ----- Really, back in my day we just screamed and yelled at each other. Rick H ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:58 AM PST US From: "Robert Haines" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair trip to AL & Scanned Piet Article... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Haines" Jim, I also have not heard back from the guy, although it may be because my emails have been bouncing back as if his email account is no longer valid. This happened to me before while trying to setup a meeting time, it took weeks to arrange. I doubt very much that he is no longer interested in selling what he has, he may just be experiencing "technical difficulties". If I do make contact, I will let you all (y'all) know. And speaking of your wife's kitchen cabinets... three days after my Alabama trip, I was ordering my wife a new laptop computer. :) Robert Haines Du Quoin, Illinois Time: 09:51:00 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair trip to AL & Scanned Piet Article... First, that trip I was going to make to Alabama to pick up Corvair parts is off. Never heard from the guy.....(Robert must have cleaned him out!!!) In the meantime, I received 3 good leads for 110's after one email to the local Corvair club. Ain't technology grand! I've found one, but also followed up on the others for the sake of several of you that asked me to check on bringing something back from Alabama for them. I'll let you know when/if I hear back from these others...... I just scanned and posted an article from the May 1956 issue of Experimenter. (Another cool benefit of having an old timer for a tech counselor, especially one that has saved every EAA Experimenter/Sport Aviation/etc publication from the beginning....and has a Corvair 110 in his garage waiting for a home.) Anyway, this article has several pages of interesting Pietenpol info - plus a note from Bernard Pietenpol....interesting reading. If anyone wants the larger file versions (mykitplane reduces the size of files to a more manageable web site size), just let me know and I'll email direct..... Jim in Plano......working on one of the most important parts of my successful Pietenpol completion......my wife's new kitchen cabinets..... ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:19 PM PST US From: "Ted Brousseau" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: landings I have followed the flow of replies to the question of how to land a Pietenpol. They were all excellent and on point. If I might be so bold, I would like to take this opportunity to consolidate the advice into one place where others in the future might look and also benefit from our experience. I welcome comments and will incorporate any suggestions that clarify the answer. My background is that I fly and have around 400 hours in an Aircamper. I am presently instructing in a Cessna 140 that I own. I earned my flight certificate in 1964 in a Cessna 140. Over 2/3 of my hours are in a tail dragger. I am an EAA Flight Advisor and am in the process of doing the First Flight in two new Aircampers and hopefully mine later this spring. Attached is how it looked New Years day. First some basics. In generic terms a good 3 point landing consists of an approach that concludes with a round out, a flare and a greaser of a landing. A standard approach is done by flying the aircraft at a constant pre-determined airspeed (that is usually around 1.3 times faster than stall). I have been very successful in holding that speed solely with the use of pitch (using the elevators). The angle of the approach is controlled with power. This approach speed is carried to an altitude near the ground when the aircraft is pitched up to an attitude that results in nearly level flight. This part of the landing is commonly called the round out. Since pitching up results in a decrease in airspeed, the wings start to lose some lift. What follows is what determines the quality of the touchdown and is called the flare. The trick is to slowly pitch up at the precise rate to equally compensate for the loss of lift from the decrease in airspeed. If you have been paying attention, you realize that this is a constantly changing situation. As you pitch up you decrease speed, which decreases lift, which requires more pitch, which requires ... The object is to slow down from approach speed to stall speed, maintaining almost level flight, while allowing the aircraft wheels to ease closer to the runway until they touch down at the exact moment stall speed is attained. At the moment of touchdown the elevator control should be back as far as it will travel. This securely forces the tail wheel down and increases its effectiveness in controlling direction. This is very important since the rudder quickly loses effect because of loss of air flowing past it as it slows. I won't comment here on the importance of keeping a tail dragger going straight while on the ground, other than to say it is the most important aspect of flying one. Now, back to landing, if you get to the stall speed before touching the ground the plane loses all lift and drops to the ground. Not a bad landing if the drop is a matter of inches. If the ground is touched before slowing to stall speed a return to flight is likely. This is especially true in a tail dragger because the pitch angle of the wing is usually set for a climb when all wheels are on the ground. If you are flying above stall speed in all likely hood you will touch down on the main gear first. As you pull back the tail will lower, creating more lift, and you find yourself climbing back into the air. In most aircraft the round out and flare are distinct segments of the landing. The round out might take around 5 seconds and the following flare might take 15 to 20 seconds depending on airspeed at the start of the round out. Cessnas seem to float forever. Now for Aircamper specific observations. This is what it looks like for me in the pilot's seat. For many reasons the Aircamper doesn't float much. It has a lot of drag. It doesn't go very fast in the first place and slows quickly upon reduction of power. Therefore the round out and flare happen so quickly that they become one operation. If enough speed is not carried in the approach the elevators become ineffective before completing the round out/flare and the bungee cords get severely tested. One of the things you need to discover is the minimum approach speed that still allows elevator control until full stall and touchdown. This is going to probably be different for each aircraft because of configuration, instrument error, etc.. 65 mph works for me. 1.3 stall speed is 55 mph. I pancake in every time at that speed. I "aim" at the ground and carry 65 mph until a couple of feet above the ground and then smoothly pull back for the round out/flare and am on the ground in about 30 - 50 feet. No bounce. No drop. Just a smooth 3 point landing. I would suggest that one of the first things to establish on the first flight is the stall speed. I would then suggest that the approach be tested at no slower than 1.6 times stall speed. If that gives elevator control but results in a distinct flare you could reduce the speed in 2 mph steps until you find the speed that causes mild elevator loss. You now know the minimum approach speed for your plane in that weight configuration. I usually add a couple of mph for an adult passenger. This is a conservative approach to coming up with numbers you can fly with. Although I have only flown my own Aircamper to date, I believe from listening to others' experiences that this is the best way to approach your first landings. What do you say Mike Cuy or Chris? I met a list member at Oshkosh in 1999. He had completed his plane in April but didn't have it with him. He told me that on the third landing he bent the landing gear on a hard touchdown because he ran out of elevator. Hopefully this discussion will prevent a repeat of that experience. All of the above only applies to a power off landing. Carrying a little power allows a slightly slower approach speed and still provides elevator control during the flare. Cut power at the end of the round out and end up with a perfect 3 point landing. Hope this helps someone. Sorry this got so long. It is easier to do than describe. Ted Brousseau PS If any of the above does not make sense don't try it alone. Run out and get yourself an experienced taildragger pilot to help you. Also, this does not address crosswind, upwind, uphill, downhill, short field, soft field or wheel landings. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:21 PM PST US From: "Mike Whaley" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Texas Air Museum "German" Piet info --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike Whaley" When I heard "Jose somebody with an L-19" in regards to the "German" Piet, a little light clicked on and I checked with one of my old email buddies... Jose Cano, from the Int'l Bird Dog Assoc. Sure 'nuff, it was him. Here's what he said... anyone looking for an L-19? (probably about my 3rd fave plane, behind the OV-10 and Piet...) -Mike Mike Whaley merlin@ov-10bronco.net Webmaster, OV-10 Bronco Association http://www.ov-10bronco.net/ http://www.ov-10bronco.net/users/merlin/ ---------------------- 10:4 Mike, that was me but I never flew it. Tim Talley from Clifton Aero did the test flight after we fixed one of the wings and reassembled the whole plane. I rigged the ailerons and installed the Jenny wheels on it. The airplane was sold to the TX Air Museum and I helped Ken Brown disassemble it and load it on a trailer. I was by the museum early part of last year and they still have it and fly it occasionally. My L-19 project has come to a screeching halt due to work loads and job changes. I think I am going to sell it this winter. I have had a few people inquire about it but you know the old story "I have to sell my other airplane first.". I have not advertised it because I keep thinking I will have time to do a few more things on it before I advertise it. As of the last 7 days, there have been two more Birddogs go down due to pilot error, this makes mine keep going up in value because there are fewer and fewer of them around. Let me know if any of your folks are interested. I check your OV-10 website periodically to check on the progress of your museum. Looks like you all are doing good things. Some of the IBDA folks may be contacting you all about a joint project. Due to my work load, I am no longer on the board of directors but due continue to put in my two cents worth. Hope you have a good new year ahead. Jose' C. Cano, Jr. Texas Parks & Wildlife Dept. Wildlife Biologist 406 N. Ave. R Clifton, TX 76634-1252 254/675-8729 Home/Fax 254/582-2719 Office/Fax ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:21 PM PST US From: "Mike Whaley" Subject: Pietenpol-List: List of Pietenpol articles from Sport Aviation, Experimenter, and Kitplanes Maybe this has been done before but while I was compiling a list of acro bipe articles for the website at work, I also compiled all the Piet-related ones as well. This covers Sport Aviation, Experimenter (the old and the new ones) and Kitplanes. It may have been done before but what the heck, here they are. A thousand thanks to the Cozy Builder's group for compiling the indices in an orderly fashion (EAA's article search function really stinks!) PS - I'll post it as both text in this email (below) as well as attach a text file so that those of you who aren't on the digest can save to your PC. -Mike Mike Whaley merlin@ov-10bronco.net Webmaster, OV-10 Bronco Association http://www.ov-10bronco.net/ http://www.ov-10bronco.net/users/merlin/ --- --- Pietenpol Articles - Sport Aviation, Experimenter, and Kitplanes Compiled 1/14/04 by Mike Whaley (merlin@ov-10bronco.net) From http://www.cozybuilders.org/ref_info/ Includes: Sport Aviation (1954 - 1998)(aka Experimenter in the 1950's) EAA Experimenter (1987 - 1998) Kitplanes (1985 - 1998) Search Terms: Pietenpol Piet GN-1 GN-2 Bernie B.H. Grega Camper Aircamper Sky Scout Ford Brodhead Corvair Aerial Arial Sport Aviation (Feb. 53 - Dec. 98) (called Experimenter in the 1950s) November 1954, Volume 2, Number 11 Photograph of Campbell Modified Pietenpol p. 8 July 1955, Volume 3, Number 7 Photograph of Rudolph Pietenpol, N13691) _________________________ 1 The Old Pietenpol __________________________________________________ 4 (Three photographs of Rudolph Pietenpol Air Camper, N13691, Leo J. Kohn) ___________________________________________________________ 4 August 1955, Vol. 4, No. 8 Report On the Fly-In ___ Havel T. Lawson ____________________________ 3 Aircraft Seen At The Fly-In (article lists Schermerhorn Pietenpol L.S. Air Camper, N18224; Rudolph Russert-Pietenpol KC-257-13 Air Camper, N13691) January, 1956, Vol. 5, No. 1 Another Pietenpol Air Camper On The Way (with photograph of Ernest C. Seiler and Seiler Pietenpol Air Camper) __________________ 16 May 1956, Volume 5, Number 5 The Pietenpol "Air Camper," Second in a series on Famous Homebuilt Lightplanes ___ George Hardie, Jr. _______________________ 7 (Photograph of two Pietenpol Air Campers, B. H. Pietenpol) _________ 7 (Scale drawings of Pietenpol Air Camper, Jack McRae) _______________ 8-9 >From The Owners And Builders Of Pietenpol Air Campers (with Two drawings of Pietenpol Air Campers, Wm. Kupka) __________________ 10 (Photograph of Allen Rudolph and Rudolph 1933 Pietenpol Air Camper, N13691) ____________________________________________________ 11 (Photograph of Schermerhorn Pietenpol Air Camper, N18224) _________ 11 (Photograph of Rudolph 1933 Pietenpol Air Camper, N13691)________ __ 12 September 1956, Volume 5, Number 9 Aircraft Seen At The Fly-In (article lists Schermerhorn modified Pietenpol L. S. Air Camper, N18224; Rudolph Russert-Pietenpol KC-257-13 Air Camper, N13691) January 1957, Volume 6, Number 1 (Photograph of Schermerhorn Pietenpol L. S. Air Camper, N18224) ___________________________________________________________ 12 November 1957 Modernizing the Pietenpol Landing Gear...........................19 December 1957 The Pietenpol Seaplane Floats....................................12 August 1960 Modernizing The Pietenpol "Aircamper"............................16 MARCH 1962 Pietenpol Corvair Conversion.......................... 31 DECEMBER 1962 More About My Corvair and VW Conversions... 24 AUGUST, 1966 Converting The Model "A" Ford Engine For Flight........ 9 DECEMBER, 1966 Converting the Model A Ford............................. 27 FEBRUARY, 1967 Corvair, Volkswagen, and Drone Engines for Aircraft... 19 JULY, 1967 More on the Model A Ford................................... 11 OCTOBER, 1967 Corvair Powered Autogyro................................................. 22 FEBRUARY, 1968 Pietenpol N-8001R.......................................... 26 MAY, 1968 Corvair Conversions.......by Clayton King........................20 APRIL, 1969 Waterman Corvair Engines...by Waldo Waterman............................4 Your Forest Products Laboratory...by Bob Whittier......................30 A Visit to B.H.Pietenpol...by Bob Whittier.............................40 JULY,1969 Waterman Corvair Engines-Part Two...by Waldo D. Waterman......... 14 AUGUST, 1969 Waterman Corvair Engines-Part Three by Waldo D. Waterman... 14 SEPTEMBER,1969 Waterman Corvair Engines (Part 4).....by Waldo D. Waterman.................21 OCTOBER, 1969 Waterman Corvair Engines (Part 5)... by Waldo D. Waterman.... 18 NOVEMBER, 1969 Waterman Corvair Engines, Part 6....... by Waldo D. Waterman...............10 JANUARY 1970 Some Fundamental and Special Considerations of the Corvair Engine - As an Aircraft Powerplant . . . by David A. Paddock...........10 MARCH, 1970 Volkswagen Reduction Box on the Corvair.....by Bud Rinker......46 MAY, 1970 The Berg-Aero - from Pietenpol to SE-5A...by John B. Bergeson........38 SEPTEMBER, 1970 Pietenpol Powered by Corvair......................................42 NOVEMBER, 1970 Corvair Clarification.....by James C.Carvin......................22 DECEMBER, 1970 Testing The Corvair Engine...by Bud Rinker...........................19 JUNE 1971 Corvair-powered Corvair.................13 NOVEMBER 1972 Vega Sky Scout...by Jack Cox.......................................31 DECEMBER 1974 Update on the Corvair Engine Syndrome ... by Bud Rinker...............63 JUNE 1975 Chapter 148's Pietenpol . . . by Dale Wolford.......................36 MAY 1977 68 Duplicate Sawing... by John W. Grega NOVEMBER 1980 38 Ford Fiesta Powered Pietenpol . .. by Jack Cox MARCH 1981 44 The Pietenpol Aerial... by Chad Wille SEPTEMBER 1982 58 Imagineering a Pietenpol for the 80's?. . . by Al Baekstrom FEBRUARY 1985 42 Sky Gypsy/Frank S. Pavliga MARCH 1987 48 England's First Pietenpol Air Camper/F. A Hawke FEBUARY 1989 16 Howard Henderson's Model A Ford Powered Pietenpol/Grant E. MacLaren APRIL 1990 45 A Round Engine Pietenpol!/Jack Cox JANUARY 1991 25 Ol '12937 - The "Granddaddy" Pietenpol Air Camper/Norm Petersen February 1998 30 The Pietenpol Sky Scout - Chad Wille EAA EXPERIMENTER (Dec. 86 - Dec. 98) AUGUST 1991 page twenty-something: Don Higgs' Pietenpol by Robert N. Gilbert FEBRUARY 1994 6 A Little AirCamper Replica Named RagWing by Roger Mann MARCH 1996 A Corvair-Powered Nieuport 26 Solving the challenges of an unusual engine installation-by Rich Dietrich MAY 1996 Pietenpol NX1 7WR 25 A tried and true homebuilders favorite-by Bill Rewey Febuary 1998 Rick Crosslin's GN-1 ....................................... 23 An affordable plane anyone can build - by Mary Jones KITPLANES (Jan. 85 - Dec. 98) FEBRUARY, 1985 76 BIPED FOR FUN! Pietenpol's Air Camper is a people- pleaser that proves low-and-slow can be beautiful; by Owen B. Deaver. February 1987 EAA Museum Pieces (Pietenpol Air Camper), p.56 November 1987 Braking a Pietenpol, p. 46 May 1989 Flying an Air Camper (Pietenpol), p. 31 July 1992 Pietenpol Air Camper (Cover) Check Out This Pietenpol, p. 12. August 1997 Pietenpols Forever? p. 42 Who Was Bernie Pietenpol? p. 50 Pietenpol Articles - Sport Aviation, Experimenter, and Kitplanes Compiled 1/14/04 by Mike Whaley (merlin@ov-10bronco.net) From http://www.cozybuilders.org/ref_info/ Includes: Sport Aviation (1954 - 1998)(aka Experimenter in the 1950's) EAA Experimenter (1987 - 1998) Kitplanes (1985 - 1998) Search Terms: Pietenpol Piet GN-1 GN-2 Bernie B.H. Grega Camper Aircamper Sky Scout Ford Brodhead Corvair Aerial Arial Sport Aviation (Feb. 53 - Dec. 98) (called Experimenter in the 1950s) November 1954, Volume 2, Number 11 Photograph of Campbell Modified Pietenpol p. 8 July 1955, Volume 3, Number 7 Photograph of Rudolph Pietenpol, N13691) _________________________ 1 The Old Pietenpol __________________________________________________ 4 (Three photographs of Rudolph Pietenpol Air Camper, N13691, Leo J. Kohn) ___________________________________________________________ 4 August 1955, Vol. 4, No. 8 Report On the Fly-In ___ Havel T. Lawson ____________________________ 3 Aircraft Seen At The Fly-In (article lists Schermerhorn Pietenpol L.S. Air Camper, N18224; Rudolph Russert-Pietenpol KC-257-13 Air Camper, N13691) January, 1956, Vol. 5, No. 1 Another Pietenpol Air Camper On The Way (with photograph of Ernest C. Seiler and Seiler Pietenpol Air Camper) __________________ 16 May 1956, Volume 5, Number 5 The Pietenpol "Air Camper," Second in a series on Famous Homebuilt Lightplanes ___ George Hardie, Jr. _______________________ 7 (Photograph of two Pietenpol Air Campers, B. H. Pietenpol) _________ 7 (Scale drawings of Pietenpol Air Camper, Jack McRae) _______________ 8-9 >From The Owners And Builders Of Pietenpol Air Campers (with Two drawings of Pietenpol Air Campers, Wm. Kupka) __________________ 10 (Photograph of Allen Rudolph and Rudolph 1933 Pietenpol Air Camper, N13691) ____________________________________________________ 11 (Photograph of Schermerhorn Pietenpol Air Camper, N18224) _________ 11 (Photograph of Rudolph 1933 Pietenpol Air Camper, N13691)________ __ 12 September 1956, Volume 5, Number 9 Aircraft Seen At The Fly-In (article lists Schermerhorn modified Pietenpol L. S. Air Camper, N18224; Rudolph Russert-Pietenpol KC-257-13 Air Camper, N13691) January 1957, Volume 6, Number 1 (Photograph of Schermerhorn Pietenpol L. S. Air Camper, N18224) ___________________________________________________________ 12 November 1957 Modernizing the Pietenpol Landing Gear...........................19 December 1957 The Pietenpol Seaplane Floats....................................12 August 1960 Modernizing The Pietenpol "Aircamper"............................16 MARCH 1962 Pietenpol Corvair Conversion.......................... 31 DECEMBER 1962 More About My Corvair and VW Conversions... 24 AUGUST, 1966 Converting The Model "A" Ford Engine For Flight........ 9 DECEMBER, 1966 Converting the Model A Ford............................. 27 FEBRUARY, 1967 Corvair, Volkswagen, and Drone Engines for Aircraft... 19 JULY, 1967 More on the Model A Ford................................... 11 OCTOBER, 1967 Corvair Powered Autogyro................................................. 22 FEBRUARY, 1968 Pietenpol N-8001R.......................................... 26 MAY, 1968 Corvair Conversions.......by Clayton King........................20 APRIL, 1969 Waterman Corvair Engines...by Waldo Waterman............................4 Your Forest Products Laboratory...by Bob Whittier......................30 A Visit to B.H.Pietenpol...by Bob Whittier.............................40 JULY,1969 Waterman Corvair Engines-Part Two...by Waldo D. Waterman......... 14 AUGUST, 1969 Waterman Corvair Engines-Part Three by Waldo D. Waterman... 14 SEPTEMBER,1969 Waterman Corvair Engines (Part 4).....by Waldo D. Waterman.................21 OCTOBER, 1969 Waterman Corvair Engines (Part 5)... by Waldo D. Waterman.... 18 NOVEMBER, 1969 Waterman Corvair Engines, Part 6....... by Waldo D. Waterman...............10 JANUARY 1970 Some Fundamental and Special Considerations of the Corvair Engine - As an Aircraft Powerplant . . . by David A. Paddock...........10 MARCH, 1970 Volkswagen Reduction Box on the Corvair.....by Bud Rinker......46 MAY, 1970 The Berg-Aero - from Pietenpol to SE-5A...by John B. Bergeson........38 SEPTEMBER, 1970 Pietenpol Powered by Corvair......................................42 NOVEMBER, 1970 Corvair Clarification.....by James C.Carvin......................22 DECEMBER, 1970 Testing The Corvair Engine...by Bud Rinker...........................19 JUNE 1971 Corvair-powered Corvair.................13 NOVEMBER 1972 Vega Sky Scout...by Jack Cox.......................................31 DECEMBER 1974 Update on the Corvair Engine Syndrome ... by Bud Rinker...............63 JUNE 1975 Chapter 148's Pietenpol . . . by Dale Wolford.......................36 MAY 1977 68 Duplicate Sawing... by John W. Grega NOVEMBER 1980 38 Ford Fiesta Powered Pietenpol . .. by Jack Cox MARCH 1981 44 The Pietenpol Aerial... by Chad Wille SEPTEMBER 1982 58 Imagineering a Pietenpol for the 80's?. . . by Al Baekstrom FEBRUARY 1985 42 Sky Gypsy/Frank S. Pavliga MARCH 1987 48 England's First Pietenpol Air Camper/F. A Hawke FEBUARY 1989 16 Howard Henderson's Model A Ford Powered Pietenpol/Grant E. MacLaren APRIL 1990 45 A Round Engine Pietenpol!/Jack Cox JANUARY 1991 25 Ol '12937 - The "Granddaddy" Pietenpol Air Camper/Norm Petersen February 1998 30 The Pietenpol Sky Scout - Chad Wille EAA EXPERIMENTER (Dec. 86 - Dec. 98) AUGUST 1991 page twenty-something: Don Higgs' Pietenpol by Robert N. Gilbert FEBRUARY 1994 6 A Little AirCamper Replica Named RagWing by Roger Mann MARCH 1996 A Corvair-Powered Nieuport 26 Solving the challenges of an unusual engine installation-by Rich Dietrich MAY 1996 Pietenpol NX1 7WR 25 A tried and true homebuilders favorite-by Bill Rewey Febuary 1998 Rick Crosslin's GN-1 ....................................... 23 An affordable plane anyone can build - by Mary Jones KITPLANES (Jan. 85 - Dec. 98) FEBRUARY, 1985 76 BIPED FOR FUN! Pietenpol's Air Camper is a people- pleaser that proves low-and-slow can be beautiful; by Owen B. Deaver. February 1987 EAA Museum Pieces (Pietenpol Air Camper), p.56 November 1987 Braking a Pietenpol, p. 46 May 1989 Flying an Air Camper (Pietenpol), p. 31 July 1992 Pietenpol Air Camper (Cover) Check Out This Pietenpol, p. 12. August 1997 Pietenpols Forever? p. 42 Who Was Bernie Pietenpol? p. 50 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:10 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Updated 'Infomation List' --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com I've added all the suggestions, and here is the updated 'Information List.' I'm posting it again, to give everyone one more chance to add something to it. Speak now, or forever hold your peace !! I'll then send the 'Information List' to everyone that I have an e-mail for (builders and flyers), and they can copy / paste to a return e-mail, fill in all the blanks as much as they can, and send it to me, or to the list. I'll also bring a dozen blank copies (is that enough blanks?) to Brodhead for anyone else that I missed. This should give us a pretty good data base, in a common format, on the specific construction of our fleet of Pietenpols out there. Thanks to all who participate !! Chuck Gantzer NX770CG I flew the past four days in a row (about a half hour after work), and it's the middle of January !! Yesterday, I took my buddy's wife up for a ride, and she absolutely loved it !! Today at work, he said she talked about it all evening...she called her friends, her mom, and his mom to tell 'em about it !! Too Cool !! Here is the updated 'Information List': Aircraft Information: N Number - Name - Type - Short / Long fuse - Empty Weight - lbs. Gross Weight - lbs. Engine - Prop - X Empty CG aft of Lead Edge - " Weight of Primary Pilot - lbs. Max Pax Weight - lbs Inches wing tilted back - " Cabane strut length - " Cowling Material - Covering - Paint Process - Wheels - Tires - Brakes - Tailwheel - Bunji Chord / Springs - Seat Belt Harness - Survival Tools - Adhesives used: Ribs - Wing - Fuse - Fuel Capacity: Range - hrs. Wing Tank - gal. Material - Cowl Tank - gal. Material - Alterations : Fuselage Width - " Wingspan - ' " Engine Mount Length - " Fuselage Front Extension - Landing Gear Position - " Other - Wood type in various locations: Ribs - Rib Gussets - Spar Size - X Spar Material - Longerons - Longeron Gussets - Other - Steel type in various locations: Cabane Struts - Lift Struts - Landing Gear - Engine Mount Fittings - Fuselage Fittings - Firewall - Other - Airspeeds: Vr (rotation) Vx (best angle) - Vy (best rate) - Vne (never exceed) - Vs1 (stall) - Date first airplane noises / / Date of the first flight / / Address - e-mail - web site - builder(s)- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:29:59 PM PST US From: "Brants" Subject: Pietenpol-List: vi kapler hinges Anyone have a photo or some info on Vi Kaplers hinges? Is he selling / making them? How can I reach him? I'm working on the tail section over the winter and I'll soon be ready for some hinges to put it all together. Tom Brant Brooklyn Park, MN