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1. 12:46 AM - Re: Rib jig 2 (Clif Dawson)
2. 06:05 AM - Re: Seeking Piet ride at Sun N Fun (Andimaxd@aol.com)
3. 07:06 AM - Re: Front Seat Support (dpaul)
4. 07:13 AM - Re: Front Seat Support (Andimaxd@aol.com)
5. 07:21 AM - Material strengths (Isablcorky@aol.com)
6. 07:45 AM - Re: more airfoil talk (Robert Haines)
7. 07:45 AM - Re: Front Seat Support (DJ Vegh)
8. 08:20 AM - Re: Front Seat Support (dpaul)
9. 08:51 AM - Re: Rib jig (Gene Rambo)
10. 10:22 AM - package and postage (Deon Engelmann)
11. 10:40 AM - Re: package and postage (Ed Grentzer)
12. 10:51 AM - Re: Seeking Piet ride at Sun N Fun (John Ford)
13. 11:01 AM - Re: more airfoil talk (Ken Chambers)
14. 12:01 PM - test (Gary Gower)
15. 01:36 PM - Re: Seeking Piet ride at Sun N Fun (Michael D Cuy)
16. 04:17 PM - Re: corvair conversion cost (Gary Gower)
17. 04:45 PM - (no subject) (Andimaxd@aol.com)
18. 05:18 PM - Re: (no subject) (Mike King)
19. 05:43 PM - Re: (no subject) (dave rowe)
20. 05:51 PM - Re: (no subject) (Lynn & Doris Knoll)
21. 06:11 PM - Re: (no subject) (Christian Bobka)
22. 06:20 PM - Re: (no subject) (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
23. 06:26 PM - Re: (no subject) (Mike King)
24. 06:31 PM - Re: (no subject) (Andimaxd@aol.com)
25. 07:00 PM - Re: Seeking Piet ride at Sun N Fun (Mike Whaley)
26. 08:17 PM - Re: (no subject) (Rcaprd@aol.com)
27. 08:44 PM - Re: Seattle visit next week...... (dave rowe)
28. 08:47 PM - Re: Material strengths (Rcaprd@aol.com)
29. 08:53 PM - Re: Material strengths (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
30. 08:58 PM - Re: Material strengths (Isablcorky@aol.com)
31. 09:13 PM - annual Piet Low-n-slow flyin at Benton KS (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
32. 09:23 PM - Front seat-back support question (Rick Holland)
33. 10:06 PM - Re: Front Seat Support (Clif Dawson)
34. 10:27 PM - Re: (no subject) (Clif Dawson)
35. 11:21 PM - Re: Front Seat Support (Clif Dawson)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Great minds think alike( I won't mention the other half of this old
saw, Chuck! )
I made two 1/2" ply blocks 1" X 1 3/4" and screwed them into the
spar locations. This way all the ribs will fit the spars.
Glue was dabbed on the ends of all cross braces to take up any gaps
in that area. Remember, it's the gussets that hold everything together.
I made up a fancy clamping system and never used it. Weights
were used instead. Where Chuck has used sockets I used lead
fishing weights, the triangular, pyrimid ones. You don't want to
squeeze epoxies like T-88. They depend on a film of glue in there,
unlike the white or marine glues that you may be used to.
Leave the nose cap strip ends a few inches long as Chuck says and
put an outside block at the end. This way the strip will take a better
curve more easily past the nose. Wherever there is an end to a bent
piece of wood, the first few inches will be in a straighter line and harder
to force outwards to properly fit crossbracing.
You are planning on steaming or soaking the top strips and bending
them over a form to dry aren't you? I prefer steaming myself as the
heat softens the lignin allowing the wood cells to slide over each other..
A steamer is easy to make from an electric kettle and metal vacuum
cleaner tubes, all from second hand places for next to nothing.
A good sharp chisel, flat side up, can be slid under the strips to lift
the finished rib past the blocking. Go around the rib prying a little at
a time until it pops free.
Clif
You saw it here. Zen and the art of rib making. :-)
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
>
> Deon,
> Your rib jig is lookin' good !! Triple check the dimensions between
the
> spars, and make sure they are parallel to each other, before you install
the
> spar blocks. Triple check all the dimensions up from the datum line, and
all
> along the outside dimension lines, while you have your first capstrip in
the
> jig, and adjust accordingly. Sometimes ya just gotta split the
difference.
> On my Pietenpol rib jig, when installing the gussets, I used weight to
> hold them till cured, after the epoxy was spread. Instead of using
stables or
> nails, I used every 1/2" socket I had, as well as anything that weighed
about
> 10 ounces, on top of each gusset. That was quit a bit of weight on the
table,
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Subject: | Re: Seeking Piet ride at Sun N Fun |
Hey Mike:
Good luck on that ride...I went to Broadhead last year and still have never
had an opportunity to ride in one of these great little ships. Although I must
admit it was extremely windy for most of the event. I will get to ride in
one eventually though, as my Dad and I are optimistic about having ours flying
by this summer. I would still like to ride in one before I mount ours, but I'm
not going to attend Sun and Fun until I can fly my own Piet there. I will
give you a ride next year though, if you are still interested and the Good Lord
is willing !!
Right now I am limited to getting the tail leveled off, with a tall bucket of
course, and making aeroplane noises while flying over the shop floor. It
looks a lot like the Texas Panhandle under the right lighting conditions, if you
squint just a little.
Ninety percent done, and about ninety percent left. Like Chuck Gantzer
says,"Building a Piet is slow, but the sky is patient." Or something like that,
sorry Chuck.
Max Davis
Arlington, Texas USA
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Subject: | Re: Front Seat Support |
-----Original Message-----
From: Catdesign <catdesign@intergate.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Date: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Front Seat Support
Thanks Greg and Chris. I guess I will just stick with the plans and learn
to fit my knees under those braces one way or another. I'm just 6'2" but pretty
long in the legs. Chris, like you, I made the seat as low as possible. It
does help a lot. I like your idea about laminating in some curved pieces. That's
the way the fuse stations in the Flybaby are built up. Something to think
about anyway.
Dave
Dave
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Subject: | Re: Front Seat Support |
Dave,
I'm only 5'10" and had difficulty getting my legs through those holes. You
can cut as high up on that V brace as you want. We cut up an extra couple of
inches and it made a lot more of a difference than I thought possible. Have
you already done this?
Max
Arlington, TX
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Subject: | Material strengths |
Pieters,
Ran across a couple pieces of streamline tubing left over from front struts
of 41CC. 2 1/2X7/8X.049. Have some smaller pieces also. What my question is,
Could I sub this streamline tubing for the round in the fabing of the split
gear? Would it be strong enough for some of Nathan Moss's landings ( I question
his depth perception sometimes)
Corky in cold La
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Subject: | Re: more airfoil talk |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk@hotmail.com>
If you need information about the 2412 or the 4412 airfoil, download report
number 824 from the NACA server (Google "NACA Server", should be the first
choice). It's a pretty big file so start the download and go get a sandwich
and some coffee.
By general notation, a positive pitching moment is one that rotates the
leading edge up. As a reference point, the 25% cord point is used as the
point of rotation. You will notice on the airfoil sectional graphs, the
moments are given as negitive and therefore are rotating the wing section
leading edge down. This does not necessarily rotate the aircraft nose down,
this simply means that the center of lift is aft of the 25% cord point.
Rotating the aircraft nose down has to do with the relationship of the
center of lift to the CG of the aircraft. On conventional aircraft (wings
in front, tail in back pushing down to keep the nose up) the CG is located
ahead of the center of lift (for stability purposes) and therefore the
center of lift will rotate the nose down. On a carnard aircraft or a
conventional aircraft that is loaded incorrectly, the CG will be behind the
center of lift and the opposite will be true.
Also noted from those wing sectional graphs, they range from -6 degrees AOA
or less to 18 degrees or greater. A wing on an aircraft won't see those
extremes in normal flight, so for design purposes, you need to use something
like 1 to 2 degrees in straight and level cruise to 14 degrees at the stall
point to develop tail volume requirements.
Also note that the center of lift does move along the wing at different
AOAs. Generally speaking, the center of lift is at the center to rear of
the wing during straight and level and approaches the 25% cord point at
stall. Determining where it is at stall (28% cord? 30% cord?) determines
the aft CG limit.
Although I am just another engineer puking information (that's what we do)
and as interesting experimenting with the design would be, it must be noted
that this design AS IS has proved itself to be a wonderful combination and
it has a flying personality all its own (I must admit that this is take from
the opinions of others having not yet experienced it myself). If one wants
something that flys like a Cessna... rent a Cessna. But then again, it is
an EXPERIMENTAL aircraft.
Sorry for the long winded lesson.
Robert Haines
Du Quoin, Illinois
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Subject: | Re: Front Seat Support |
I had the same problem.... it was fixed by moving the rear seat back 2.5". Due
to W&B issues I had to compensate for that by moving the firewall forward 1.5".
This allowed my legs a shallower angle so thay could get through those cross
braces with room to spare.
Now when I sit in the plane I have TONS of room. Keep in mind I have a GN-1 should
work for a Piet though.
BTW I'm 6'4" 190lb.
DJ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
----- Original Message -----
From: dpaul
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Front Seat Support
-----Original Message-----
From: Catdesign <catdesign@intergate.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Date: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Front Seat Support
Thanks Greg and Chris. I guess I will just stick with the plans and learn to
fit my knees under those braces one way or another. I'm just 6'2" but pretty
long in the legs. Chris, like you, I made the seat as low as possible. It does
help a lot. I like your idea about laminating in some curved pieces. That's
the way the fuse stations in the Flybaby are built up. Something to think
about anyway.
Dave
Dave
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Subject: | Re: Front Seat Support |
Thanks Max. No, I haven't. Looks like I'll be ripping out my front seat and
reconstructing it your way. Knee pads may be part of my future flight apparel.
Dave
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From: Andimaxd@aol.com <Andimaxd@aol.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Front Seat Support
Dave,
I'm only 5'10" and had difficulty getting my legs through those holes. You
can cut as high up on that V brace as you want. We cut up an extra couple of
inches and it made a lot more of a difference than I thought possible. Have
you already done this?
Max
Arlington, TX
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene Rambo" <rambog@erols.com>
You guys have GOT to get real about attaching photos to these
e-mails!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Once again, it took over an hour to download this email, and my computer
timed out twice!
PLEASE THINK before you attach so many photos, not all of us have DSL lines.
While I am complaining, I am sure that Matt will join me in asking that
replys be kept meaningful, or be directed to the original sender only. I
get between 50 and 100 e-mails a day from this list, and the vast majority
of them are only "attaboys" or "way cool".
OK, off the box now.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deon Engelmann" <engelmannd@icon.co.za>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rib jig
> Hi
>
> I looked, I listened and hopefully I learned.
>
> I took your advice in supporting the outside of the cap strips and
> rebuild the jig. Here are some updated pics.
>
> Comments?
>
> Deon Engelmann
> EAA322 Midrand # SA12055
> Pretoria
> South Africa
>
>
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Subject: | package and postage |
Hi
Got some cap strip from wicks today.
$86 for the cap strip, $165 for package and postage to SA
Deon Engelmann
EAA322 Midrand # SA12055
Pretoria
South Africa
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Subject: | package and postage |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
Wow...That is going to be one expensive Pietenpol....You must have some
local light weight wood that you can substitute for spruce. I would hate to
see the shipping cost on the longerons and struts not to mention the spars.
do not archive Ed G.
>From: "Deon Engelmann" <engelmannd@icon.co.za>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: package and postage
>Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:22:09 +0200
>
>Hi
>
>Got some cap strip from wicks today.
>$86 for the cap strip, $165 for package and postage to SA
>
>Deon Engelmann
>EAA322 Midrand # SA12055
>Pretoria
>South Africa
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Subject: | Re: Seeking Piet ride at Sun N Fun |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
I am still a not-building-one-yet person. Last summer at Brodhead I
spent most of the weekend shyly admiring airplanes and not speaking to
builders because surely they had more important/interesting people to
talk to. I narrowly managed to hitch Saturday's last ride of the day in
someone's lovely orange Model A powered Piet. I am convinced that you'd
be successful actively engaging these kind folk very early on and
establishing relationships with them and their lovely airplanes, and
probably get rides offered to you. I intend to not be nearly so shy
this year (we'll see) and actually speak to some of the owners and
cultivate some relationships. Maybe I can get someone to take my lovely
wife up for a spin (poor choice of words?), since I will need her full
support to build one.. The point I guess I'm trying to make is that
like you, I really want to become a member of this Pietenpol family and
to do that I think the key is to be involved with its members. And of
course you'll be giving rides in your Piet when it's finished as well,
too? ;-) I bet gladly...
John
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> Andimaxd@aol.com Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:04:33 AM >>>
Hey Mike:
Good luck on that ride...I went to Broadhead last year and still have
never
had an opportunity to ride in one of these great little ships.
Although I must
admit it was extremely windy for most of the event. I will get to ride
in
one eventually though, as my Dad and I are optimistic about having ours
flying
by this summer. I would still like to ride in one before I mount ours,
but I'm
not going to attend Sun and Fun until I can fly my own Piet there. I
will
give you a ride next year though, if you are still interested and the
Good Lord
is willing !!
Right now I am limited to getting the tail leveled off, with a tall
bucket of
course, and making aeroplane noises while flying over the shop floor.
It
looks a lot like the Texas Panhandle under the right lighting
conditions, if you
squint just a little.
Ninety percent done, and about ninety percent left. Like Chuck Gantzer
says,"Building a Piet is slow, but the sky is patient." Or something
like that,
sorry Chuck.
Max Davis
Arlington, Texas USA
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Subject: | Re: more airfoil talk |
Chuck
I think I read it on this list that Mr. Pietenpol named it that because
it took 10 minutes to draw with a French Curve.
Ken
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
test
Do not archive
__________________________________
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Subject: | Re: Seeking Piet ride at Sun N Fun |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
John-- I won't be at Sun-N-Fun but hopefully you'll be able to get a
ride. I know Ted Brousseau has been very active in giving rides in his
plane based out of the Naples, Florida area and I think he goes to SNF most
years. Don't ever hesitate to ask questions of Piet builders at Brodhead
or elsewhere----it's like asking Grandma if she has any grandchildren
photos--we LOVE to talk about these planes. I think that anyone who is
willing to build a plane like this from six sheets of plans from the 1930's
that leave some things to the imagination needs all the amo he can get
wether it be from this list, Tony Bingelis' book series on Sportplane
construction and firewall forward, to in-person photos, notes,
measurements, rides, and talk at fly-in's. Every little bit helps. I
took notes, video and still photos for 3 years at Brodhead before I started
my project. Took the best of what I liked in various Piets and started
work. I'd have gladly given some rides at Brodhead but that incessant
wind kept us all on the ground til nearly sunset so there wasn't much time
unfortunately.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: corvair conversion cost |
Also push botton starter motorcycles :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower
Enfield 350 Bullet
Do not archive.
--- Andimaxd@aol.com wrote:
> Tom:
>
> I have it on good authority that starters are for sissy's !!
>
> Max
>
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Hello all:
I need a source for odd bolts, preferrably in or near the Dallas/Ft. Worth
metroplex. I will order though if anyone has a good source...
I need a -- 7mm bolt with a 1 1/4" shank &
-- 7mm bolt with a 1 1/8" shank
We had an over sight making the controls and one of each of the two size
bolts will fix it. They do not have to be aircraft grade bolts, although grade
8
or grade 5 would be nice.
Have already checked Ace Hardware and a couple of car dealerships -- any
suggestions?
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There is a source of aircraft nuts and bolts located just off Harry Hines
south of Regal Row.
If this sounds good, then I will research the proper name, phone
number, etc..
Mike King
GN-1
77MK
Dallas, Texas
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andimaxd@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Hello all:
I need a source for odd bolts, preferrably in or near the Dallas/Ft. Worth metroplex.
I will order though if anyone has a good source...
I need a -- 7mm bolt with a 1 1/4" shank &
-- 7mm bolt with a 1 1/8" shank
We had an over sight making the controls and one of each of the two size bolts
will
fix it. They do not have to be aircraft grade bolts, although grade 8 or grade
5
would be nice.
Have already checked Ace Hardware and a couple of car dealerships -- any suggestions?
---
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Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
Let me know if you can't find anything, being in Canada, I may have more
luck, Dave Rowe, Victoria, BC
Andimaxd@aol.com wrote:
>
> Hello all:
>
> I need a source for odd bolts, preferrably in or near the Dallas/Ft.
> Worth metroplex. I will order though if anyone has a good source...
>
> I need a -- 7mm bolt with a 1 1/4" shank &
> -- 7mm bolt with a 1 1/8"
> shank
>
> We had an over sight making the controls and one of each of the two
> size bolts will fix it. They do not have to be aircraft grade bolts,
> although grade 8 or grade 5 would be nice.
>
> Have already checked Ace Hardware and a couple of car dealerships --
> any suggestions?
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Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
Try McMaster-Carr Supply Co. at www.mcmaster.com
Lynn Knoll
Wichita
Vair/Piet in the works
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike King
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:16 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
There is a source of aircraft nuts and bolts located just off Harry Hines
south of Regal Row.
If this sounds good, then I will research the proper name, phone
number, etc=85..
Mike King
GN-1
77MK
Dallas, Texas
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andimaxd@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 6:45 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Hello all:
I need a source for odd bolts, preferrably in or near the Dallas/Ft. Worth metroplex.
I will order though if anyone has a good source...
I need a -- 7mm bolt with a 1 1/4" shank &
-- 7mm bolt with a 1 1/8" shank
We had an over sight making the controls and one of each of the two size bolts
will fix it. They do not have to be aircraft grade bolts, although grade 8
or grade 5 would be nice.
Have already checked Ace Hardware and a couple of car dealerships -- any suggestions?
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Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
Mike King
It is Aircraft Supply Company, 7204 Parwelk, Dallas, Texas 75235 214 637 3598.
They have everything. I mean everything.
Chris Bobka
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike King
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:16 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
There is a source of aircraft nuts and bolts located just off Harry Hines
south of Regal Row.
If this sounds good, then I will research the proper name, phone
number, etc=85..
Mike King
GN-1
77MK
Dallas, Texas
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andimaxd@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 6:45 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Hello all:
I need a source for odd bolts, preferrably in or near the Dallas/Ft. Worth metroplex.
I will order though if anyone has a good source...
I need a -- 7mm bolt with a 1 1/4" shank &
-- 7mm bolt with a 1 1/8" shank
We had an over sight making the controls and one of each of the two size bolts
will fix it. They do not have to be aircraft grade bolts, although grade 8
or grade 5 would be nice.
Have already checked Ace Hardware and a couple of car dealerships -- any suggestions?
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Max... Try
B&B Aircraft Supplies
P.O. Box 37
202 South Center
Gardner KS 66030
(913) 884-5930 ph
(913) 884-6533
They aren't close, but are the most reasonable I have found for aircraft
hardware and excellent service. If you can wait until the Alliance Fly-in/Air
Show...or the SWRFI in New Braunfels....they will have a booth there.
Terry Bowden
ph (254) 715-4773
fax (254) 853-3805
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Chris,
You are so right. I bought a bunch of parts from them for
my GN-1. It is only five minutes from my Dallas office and
they are the best folks to deal with. VERY reasonable.
Thanks for supplying the info Chris. I had their name and
number at my Addison office and could not post it earlier.
Give em a call guys.
Mike King
GN-1
Dallas, Texas
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Christian Bobka
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Mike King
It is Aircraft Supply Company, 7204 Parwelk, Dallas, Texas 75235 214 637 3598.
They
have everything. I mean everything.
Chris Bobka
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike King <mailto:mike@mking.us>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
There is a source of aircraft nuts and bolts located just off Harry Hines
south of Regal Row.
If this sounds good, then I will research the proper name, phone
number, etc..
Mike King
GN-1
77MK
Dallas, Texas
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andimaxd@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject)
Hello all:
I need a source for odd bolts, preferrably in or near the Dallas/Ft. Worth metroplex.
I will order though if anyone has a good source...
I need a -- 7mm bolt with a 1 1/4" shank &
-- 7mm bolt with a 1 1/8" shank
We had an over sight making the controls and one of each of the two size bolts
will
fix it. They do not have to be aircraft grade bolts, although grade 8 or grade
5
would be nice.
Have already checked Ace Hardware and a couple of car dealerships -- any suggestions?
---
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In a message dated 1/27/2004 8:12:07 PM Central Standard Time,
bobka@compuserve.com writes:
> Mike King
>
> It is Aircraft Supply Company, 7204 Parwelk, Dallas, Texas 75235 214 637
> 3598. They have everything. I mean everything.
>
> Chris Bobka
>
Thanks everyone for helping, Mike I will call Aircraft Supply Co. tomorrow
first thing;
Max
Arlington, TX.
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Subject: | Re: Seeking Piet ride at Sun N Fun |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike Whaley" <MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com>
> Don't ever hesitate to ask questions of Piet builders at Brodhead
> or elsewhere----it's like asking Grandma if she has any grandchildren
> photos--we LOVE to talk about these planes.
> Mike C.
I've never been bashful about asking folks about their planes... anyone who
builds any kind of airplane (even models)usually is quite proud to show it
off and they really do appreciate others taking an interest in their bird.
Everyone was at the "just asking questions" stage at some point, I think the
majority of folks like to help others move through that stage into the
building phase.
A big part of why I like the Piet is this community itself. I managed to
break free from the tent and went to a Piet forum at SNF last year, then
hung out at the woodworking forum for a while, and talked to a gentleman
with a Piet (it was made to look a bit like a Curtiss Jenny.) Then I caught
up with William and saw the Corvair run, which really cemented things for
me. I'm not rich and don't ever expect to be, which lead me to start
thinking of the Piet in the first place. But now that I know more about it,
the main attraction isn't so much the low cost of the Piet anymore, it's the
great network of down-to-earth folks that build and fly them... you all seem
to do so because it's just plain fun, not to be a snob with the best plane
that money can buy. Someday I'm sure I'll be giving as many rides as
possible - in fact, I already have plans to "borrow" my nephew for a few
Pietenpol adventures of our own... he's 3 now and really loves
"lello-lopters" and "jet air-panes"!
Max, great quote about the patient sky... hope to see you at SNF soon with
your Piet!
-Mike
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 1/27/04 6:45:44 PM Central Standard Time, Andimaxd@aol.com
writes:
<< I need a -- 7mm bolt with a 1 1/4" shank &
-- 7mm bolt with a 1 1/8" shank
We had an over sight making the controls and one of each of the two size
bolts will fix it. They do not have to be aircraft grade bolts, although
grade 8
or grade 5 would be nice. >>
Max,
You're givin' me the Hiebie Jiebie's !! All the hardware should be aircraft
grade. The main difference is that aircraft grade bolts have rolled
threads, and if it is painted with a translucent color, it has been through NDI
(Non
Destructive Test). What are these bolts for ?
Max, I'm still trying to come up with a way to e-mail you the method I use to
tie the ends of the bunji chords, too.
Gene R. made a good point about pictures & stuff. You guys with high speed
DSL go zipping along like a LanceAir. Us folks with dial up go putt putt
putting along like a Pietenpol in a 30 kt headwind.
Chuck Gantzer
NX770CG
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Subject: | Re: Seattle visit next week...... |
<40143FE4.5F105DFD@shaw.ca> <002b01c3e3cf$120fb2e0$96715118@dawsonaviation>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
Think they are just a mon-fri op, I think the Boeing factory tour is
Paine field, in Everett, is ther a museum there as well or just
Seattle? Trying to arrange a little tour via a couple of Sea Kings for
next Friday.
Clif Dawson wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
>
> Nope, Boeng field in Seattle, just north of Sea-Tac.
> I'm going to see if the 262 Project is open to visiters
> on Saturday though.
> Clif
>
> Do not archive
>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seattle visit next week......
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
> > > If that is the one at Paine field, then don't miss the Me-262 hangar,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Material strengths |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 1/27/04 9:21:55 AM Central Standard Time,
Isablcorky@aol.com writes:
<< Ran across a couple pieces of streamline tubing left over from front
struts
of 41CC. 2 1/2X7/8X.049. Have some smaller pieces also. What my question is,
Could I sub this streamline tubing for the round in the fabing of the split
gear? Would it be strong enough for some of Nathan Moss's landings ( I
question
his depth perception sometimes) >>
Corky,
The plans call for 1 3/8" 14ga. (.074") 1020 steel tube for the Vee gear
struts. As tempting as it may be to use the 2 1/2" X7/8" X.049", I just don't
think it would be adequate for a gross weigh, drop it in type landing.
Chuck G.
4 F outside, calm winds - Hearty individuals like Shawn Wolk and Graham
Hansen, call this 'Pietenpol Weather' !!!
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In a message dated 1/27/2004 10:48:21 PM Central Standard Time,
Rcaprd@aol.com writes:
> Chuck G.
> 4=BA F outside, calm winds - Hearty individuals like Shawn Wolk and Graham
> Hansen, call this 'Pietenpol Weather' !!!
Chuck,
Its good weather to be inside making Pietenparts.
Terry Bowden
(making some rudder cable extensions getting ready to move the non-plans
rudder pedals 6 inches forward for more legroom)
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Subject: | Re: Material strengths |
Thanks Chuck,
I have the plans tubing on hand and will use it accordingly. Would like to
hear of your/our
Post Brodhead tour and what plans you may have finalized.
Corky in La trying to keep his feet warm
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Subject: | annual Piet Low-n-slow flyin at Benton KS |
Chuck,
Whats the date for the 2004 Benton KS Piet flyin? If I push, I might be able
to make it in the Piet by late summer.
Terry Bowden
(need a tangible date goal to keep me going)
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Subject: | Front seat-back support question |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland <at7000ft@speedtrail.net>
Please tell me if I am missing anything here. Just finishing my Piet
cockpit mockup and have realized that the top of the 1/8" ply front seat
back is only supported by a 1 x 1/2" horizontal strip which doesn't
contact the top longerons since the metal cabane mount brackets go
against the longerons just behind the seat back. The 1/8" ply stiffener
is glued across the top to the top of the seat back and the 1 x 1/2
piece. This is all thats needed to support the top of the front
seatback correct?
Rick H
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Subject: | Re: Front Seat Support |
<006801c3e4eb$cfb4b580$0564a8c0@rdci.az.home.com>
I've just been fiddling with some sketches. It seems
to me that you don't need those center sticks V'd.
They don't add stiffness to the panel or fuselage in
the cross-fuse direction. The ply panel does that
quite nicely. The prime function of those braces is
to keep the ply from bowing backwards under the
weight of the front seater's back. You can run them
vertically up the sides of the cutouts and they will do
exactly the same job. Just leave some depth to the
ply at the top above the cutouts for gusseting effect.
Gusset the back side of those sticks at the top for
some added strength just in case you get some
rowdy front seater someday.
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Front Seat Support
I had the same problem.... it was fixed by moving the rear seat back 2.5".
Due to W&B issues I had to compensate for that by moving the firewall forward
1.5". This allowed my legs a shallower angle so thay could get through those
cross braces with room to spare.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
Maybe they need to be sent with lower DPI,
like 150 or even 75.
Clif
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com>
Gene R. made a good point about pictures & stuff. You guys with high speed
> DSL go zipping along like a LanceAir. Us folks with dial up go putt putt
> putting along like a Pietenpol in a 30 kt headwind.
>
> Chuck Gantzer
> NX770CG
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Subject: | Re: Front Seat Support |
<006801c3e4eb$cfb4b580$0564a8c0@rdci.az.home.com>
<008e01c3e563$00945530$96715118@dawsonaviation>
Re Rick's message. I forgot about the interference
with the strut attachment at the top. What about
placing a crosspiece below the level of the strut
fittings and running a 2 or 3" wide gusset across
from side to side to strengthen the joints?
Clif Brainfart
----- Original Message -----
From: Clif Dawson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Front Seat Support
I've just been fiddling with some sketches. It seems
to me that you don't need those center sticks V'd.
They don't add stiffness to the panel or fuselage in
the cross-fuse direction. The ply panel does that
quite nicely. The prime function of those braces is
to keep the ply from bowing backwards under the
weight of the front seater's back. You can run them
vertically up the sides of the cutouts and they will do
exactly the same job. Just leave some depth to the
ply at the top above the cutouts for gusseting effect.
Gusset the back side of those sticks at the top for
some added strength just in case you get some
rowdy front seater someday.
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