Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Fri 01/30/04


Total Messages Posted: 21



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     1. 05:42 AM - Re: Landing Gear (Kip and Beth Gardner)
     2. 05:48 AM - Re: videos (Jim Markle)
     3. 05:53 AM - Graham ! (and idea for storage in a Piet for x-country (Michael D Cuy)
     4. 09:58 AM - Re: Seeking Piet ride at Sun N Fun (Christian Bobka)
     5. 10:39 AM - Re: more airfoil talk (Robert Haines)
     6. 10:40 AM - The Fisherman..... (Jim Markle)
     7. 10:51 AM - Re: more airfoil talk (Robert Haines)
     8. 10:52 AM - Re: Seeking Piet ride at Sun N Fun (John Ford)
     9. 11:02 AM - Re: more airfoil talk (Robert Haines)
    10. 11:13 AM - Re: Re: more airfoil talk (Isablcorky@aol.com)
    11. 11:15 AM - Long-range planning (Hodgson, Mark O)
    12. 11:50 AM - alum rims vs steel rims (Christian Bobka)
    13. 12:16 PM - Re: alum rims vs steel rims (Gadd, Skip)
    14. 12:23 PM - Re: Long-range planning (John_Duprey@vmed.org)
    15. 01:07 PM - Re: Long-range planning (walt evans)
    16. 01:13 PM - Re: alum rims vs steel rims (walt evans)
    17. 01:46 PM - Re: Long-range planning (hjarrett)
    18. 02:37 PM - Re: Long-range planning (Fred Weaver)
    19. 08:05 PM - Re: Fuel Tanks (Rcaprd@aol.com)
    20. 09:54 PM - Re: Fuel Tanks (Peter W Johnson)
    21. 10:07 PM - Re: videos (Clif Dawson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:42:12 AM PST US
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    From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Landing Gear
    At 9:30 PM -0800 1/29/04, dpaul wrote: >Thanks Dennis! Eureka sounds great. Question: Did you attach your >landing gear to the fuse by drilling and bolting through struts, the >wedges between the struts or doesn't it make any difference? > >Another question if you don't mind. On "Sky Gypsy," do you think >those wheels are covered with fabric or metal. I'm wondering if >that would be a good way to strengthen a spoked wheel or if it's >just cosmetic. > >Hope you're making good progress on the Piet. > >Dave Dave, The coverings on Sky Gypsy's wheels are aluminum. I'm not sure how Frank made them, as I've never asked him, but my guess is he did it himself - he is a real expert at vintage aircraft restoration. He recently finished rebuilding a Waco Taperwing that rivaled anything I've ever seen for craftsmanship and sheer beauty. I was part of the crew who helped him put on the wings, so I really got to see everything 'up close & personal'. Wheel coverings are neither structural nor 'just cosmetic'. Coverings of that type reduce some of the drag created by the spokes, although, as we all know, that's of debatable value on a Piet. Kip Gardner -- North Canton, OH


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    Time: 05:48:26 AM PST US
    From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: videos
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    Time: 05:53:05 AM PST US
    From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
    travel)
    Subject: Graham ! (and idea for storage in a Piet for x-country
    travel) Graham-- just a note to say I really enjoyed your post about flying your Pietenpol in cold weather and on snow skis. I'll not complain about the zero to ten degrees Fahrenheit and snow we have been having here in Cleveland, Ohio since hearing of your -21 F in Camrose, Alberta Canada ! On flying your Piet in cold weather, I find that if I keep my brown vinyl cockpit cover (they snap in around the perimeter) over the front pit on colder days that my legs stay alot warmer. Perhaps you've tried this already. When I go on a weekend trip or to Brodhead or Oshkosh I remove the front stick (it is a slip fit in a socket) and snap in a heavy black cloth sack/sling in the front seat that I had an upholstery shop sew up for me. Installed it looks like one of those 55 gallon drums cut in 1/2 to make a barbecue rack out of...but much smaller. That works great for packing my sleeping bag, tent, pillow, water jug, snacks, camera, spare oil, tie downs, etc. Then I snap the cover over the top to keep things from flapping in the breeze. Between that and the center section people are amazed when they see what all I can fit in that little airplane ! Stay warm and keep those posts coming, Mike C. (see cockpit cover on front pit at a layover in Valparasio, Indiana where some nice guys got me out of the rain and put me next to a jet fuel thirsty King Air !)


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    Time: 09:58:37 AM PST US
    From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@compuserve.com>
    Subject: Re: Seeking Piet ride at Sun N Fun
    Greg, I bring my two boys to Brodhead every year and they love it. They will be 6 and 10 this year. chris b. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gnwac@cs.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:51 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seeking Piet ride at Sun N Fun Since the subject of Brodhead has come up, I am going to try to get there this year and commercial into Madison, rent a car and stay somewhere. I've got my wife and kids talked into going and hang out for the couple of days. Any suggestions of places to stay for a young family with two boys, 9 & 11. Thanks, Greg Menoche Delaware


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    Time: 10:39:51 AM PST US
    From: "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk@hotmail.com>
    "Pietenpol-List Digest List" <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>
    Subject: Re: more airfoil talk
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk@hotmail.com> more airfoil talk


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    Time: 10:40:27 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: The Fisherman.....
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com> JUST an fyi.....(this is NOT a recommendation)..... (1/29/04) For Sale Piet Project Partially built Pietenpol for sale at $6000 in Miami. Wings finished this week, Yellow-Orange. Tail feathers on long fuselage done. Next job is landing gear, have tubes in carton. Some instruments in one panel seat. Fuselage not covered yet, but have the paint and dacron. Still need to build the steering stuff. Center cabane struts also. No engine yet either! Leaving USA for Belize, either this July, or following year, July. If this year, I'm going to be in a big hurry to sell the house, plane and go. Would like to sell my work, as I cannot ship it there. If I get another postponement for one year, maybe I can finish it? I've got two years work in this and a photo catalogue of the progress as I go along. Leaving in few days for Belize and will be back late February and know for sure then my plans. But anybody got the price, can take the plane as is! There is about $3600 in materials spent so far. Ray Auxillou belizedevtrust@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:belizedevtrust@yahoo.co.uk>


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    Time: 10:51:38 AM PST US
    From: "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: more airfoil talk
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk@hotmail.com> I hope I'm not the only one that encourages this, but if Corky is thinking about building a 2412 (or similar) airfoil as an experiment to see what happens, I say go for it! Some of us like plowing through technical manuals and trying to optomise down to the nats ass on design, but then again, some of us just like to build and see. As long as anyone doesn't see anything horribly unsafe with the wing section selection, I would like to be encouraging on this one. It is an experimental aircraft for crying out loud, and some of the fun is in the experimenting. Also, when (not if) Corky flys his planes, he's going to need a little speed to get from LA to WI to show it off. Heck now that I've said that, I think it would be cool to have multiple wings (the standard set, a pair of speeders, a super high lift set, etc.), depending on the day's application. It would be the Swiss army knife of AirCampers. Robert Haines Du Quoin, Illinois From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: more airfoil talk Thanks Jack, I'm thinking along the same lines. Nothing wrong with the Piet FC-10 as proven over the years. It was/ is my desire to do a bit of experimenting with the possibility of maybe, if not accidentally, finding something a skosh more aerodynamically better. Has anyone ever tried a different airfoil? Corky


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    Time: 10:52:58 AM PST US
    From: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
    Subject: Re: Seeking Piet ride at Sun N Fun
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu> I'm planning on bringing my wife and two kids this year (my wife doesn't age, but my daughter will be 11 and my son will be 7), as the first stop on a vacation up north. I am pretty sure they'll dig it. We will camp and enjoy the excellent vittles onsite. It's nice to know they'll be able to make some new friends while we're there. John John Ford john@indstate.edu 812-237-8542 >>> bobka@compuserve.com Friday, January 30, 2004 12:48:32 PM >>> Greg, I bring my two boys to Brodhead every year and they love it. They will be 6 and 10 this year. chris b. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gnwac@cs.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:51 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seeking Piet ride at Sun N Fun Since the subject of Brodhead has come up, I am going to try to get there this year and commercial into Madison, rent a car and stay somewhere. I've got my wife and kids talked into going and hang out for the couple of days. Any suggestions of places to stay for a young family with two boys, 9 & 11. Thanks, Greg Menoche Delaware


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    Time: 11:02:59 AM PST US
    From: "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: more airfoil talk
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk@hotmail.com> Oh yea, and another thing (oh, now I'm started), what the heck is with this concern for changing the wing section?! "Oh My, you can possibly change the wing, it just won't be an original!" You can change the fuselage, heck the plans give you three choices, some even change it beyond that. You can put whatever engine in it, the cowlings are different from plane to plane... Wheels and gear, got a few choices there... some have passenger doors... struts as opposed to rigging wires... to flop or not to flop... three piece wing or one big slab... turtle deck. But HEAVEN FORBID that the wing section get changed! Gesh, you thought we were talking about rounding the lines of the tail (that, of course you can not do, it would just be silly). Whew. Robert Haines Du Quoin, Illinois :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Haines" <robertsjunk@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: more airfoil talk > I hope I'm not the only one that encourages this, but if Corky is thinking > about building a 2412 (or similar) airfoil as an experiment to see what > happens, I say go for it! Some of us like plowing through technical manuals > and trying to optomise down to the nats ass on design, but then again, some > of us just like to build and see. As long as anyone doesn't see anything > horribly unsafe with the wing section selection, I would like to be > encouraging on this one. It is an experimental aircraft for crying out > loud, and some of the fun is in the experimenting. > > Also, when (not if) Corky flys his planes, he's going to need a little speed > to get from LA to WI to show it off. Heck now that I've said that, I think > it would be cool to have multiple wings (the standard set, a pair of > speeders, a super high lift set, etc.), depending on the day's application. > It would be the Swiss army knife of AirCampers. > > > Robert Haines > Du Quoin, Illinois > > > From: Isablcorky@aol.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: more airfoil talk > > Thanks Jack, I'm thinking along the same lines. Nothing wrong with the Piet > FC-10 as proven over the years. It was/ is my desire to do a bit of > experimenting with the possibility of maybe, if not accidentally, finding > something > a > skosh more aerodynamically better. Has anyone ever tried a different > airfoil? > Corky >


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    Time: 11:13:36 AM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Re: more airfoil talk
    Robert, Yes I am just playing, Even putting my money where my mouth is. I ordered enough wood today to build the spare wing panels and center section. Will just keep looking, reading, listening and hope to learn a little. Did any of you pick up on AOPA's e letter this am. Same old stuff about the Sport Pilot, "expecting passage later this year". How much later for goodness sake? How gullible are we peasants becoming by swallowing all that gobble de goop? They call it pasification laxative for the good of the members. A spoon ful of AOPA at breakfast, a tablespoon of EAA for lunch and by dinner I've pottied so much that I wouldn't be able to stomach a dose from the Feds. I've got to get my mind off this Fed stuff and apply it to the forthcoming trip with Chuck Gantzer. Looks like we will have 3 aircraft leaving Bluebird Hill In Shv for the flight to Broadhead ( whether the Sport Pilot is passed or not. I'll let Nathan Moss take 41CC) Better stop and e mail Chuck about our flight plans. Corky Do not archive


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    Time: 11:15:08 AM PST US
    Subject: Long-range planning
    From: "Hodgson, Mark O" <mhodgson@bu.edu>
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" <mhodgson@bu.edu> Something that's been in the back of my mind but won't go away is the ultimate hangar value question. Around here (Beantown, MA) suburban hangar rental seems to be something like 200 - 400/month. Tie-downs here can be almost reasonable (75 at one strip, for example). In a few years at those hangar rates you pay more for the space than for the Piet. Soooooo--just how much of a sin is it to tie down a wood-and-fabric aircraft? The books say don't do it, but I notice that some people do do it, and wonder if there are good inspection and maintenance procedures to ensure you don't ultimately wind up like Knute Rockne (whose Fokker had dry-rot in its spars). Mark Hodgson


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    Time: 11:50:25 AM PST US
    From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
    Subject: alum rims vs steel rims
    The Aluminum rims should be machined out of one piece and have no weld. Generally speaking, pound for pound, aluminum is as strong as steel so if the alum rim wieghs what the steel rim weighs, as Greg C. suggests, alum would be the way to go. Chris Bobka


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    Time: 12:16:31 PM PST US
    From: "Gadd, Skip" <Skip.Gadd@ssa.gov>
    Subject: alum rims vs steel rims
    Just from my experience, of the 3 aluminum motor cycle rims I have studied closely, all had what appear to be factory welds. Skip The Aluminum rims should be machined out of one piece and have no weld. Chris Bobka Message <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1276" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> Just from my experience, of the 3 aluminum motor cycle rims I have studied closely, all had what appear to be factory welds. <FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Skip <FONT face=Tahoma size=2> The Aluminum rims should be machined out of one piece and have no weld. <FONT face="MS LineDraw" size=2> Chris Bobka


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    Time: 12:23:16 PM PST US
    From: John_Duprey@vmed.org
    Subject: Re: Long-range planning
    01/30/2004 03:23:09 PM --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John_Duprey@vmed.org Hey Mark: Where exactley are you located? I know a place on the South Shore with very reasonable hangar fees. John Duprey sitting in my office in Copley Sq. "Hodgson, Mark O" <mhodgson@bu.edu>@matronics.com on 01/30/2004 02:07:45 PM Please respond to pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent by: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com cc: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Long-range planning --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" <mhodgson@bu.edu> Something that's been in the back of my mind but won't go away is the ultimate hangar value question. Around here (Beantown, MA) suburban hangar rental seems to be something like 200 - 400/month. Tie-downs here can be almost reasonable (75 at one strip, for example). In a few years at those hangar rates you pay more for the space than for the Piet. Soooooo--just how much of a sin is it to tie down a wood-and-fabric aircraft? The books say don't do it, but I notice that some people do do it, and wonder if there are good inspection and maintenance procedures to ensure you don't ultimately wind up like Knute Rockne (whose Fokker had dry-rot in its spars). Mark Hodgson


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    Time: 01:07:30 PM PST US
    From: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Long-range planning
    Mark, Not alot of airports will let you, but ours allows fabric hangers. So you pay for an outside tiedown and put up your own "building". My Piet is in one 30'wide X 20' deep. Now it's out of the sun and elements, snug as a bug. It's worth everything for your peace of mind. When you go asking, make sure you're armed with some good Piet pics. They may give you the cold shoulder if they think they're getting "another 150" , But when they see the Piet in progress, you'll get nothing but pictures passed around to everybody. One airport in Jersey "Trinca" the manager keeps bugging me to relocate there, where he's leaning toward the classic taildraggers. And at Sussex up north, home of the sussex airshow, the manager asked me to be in the show as a "between the acts" antique fly-by. Good Luck! "Cover-it" is the brand I used. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hodgson, Mark O" <mhodgson@bu.edu> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Long-range planning > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" <mhodgson@bu.edu> > > Something that's been in the back of my mind but won't go away is the > ultimate hangar value question. Around here (Beantown, MA) suburban > hangar rental seems to be something like 200 - 400/month. Tie-downs > here can be almost reasonable (75 at one strip, for example). In a few > years at those hangar rates you pay more for the space than for the > Piet. Soooooo--just how much of a sin is it to tie down a > wood-and-fabric aircraft? The books say don't do it, but I notice that > some people do do it, and wonder if there are good inspection and > maintenance procedures to ensure you don't ultimately wind up like Knute > Rockne (whose Fokker had dry-rot in its spars). > > Mark Hodgson > >


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    Time: 01:13:26 PM PST US
    From: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: alum rims vs steel rims
    MessageI used 18" steel rims. The finished wheel with brake drum, and without tire or tube, weighed 8 lbs. apiece. I was happy with the finished product. Except mine had the "chromed look", maybe some would not like that. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Gadd, Skip To: 'pietenpol-list@matronics.com' Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 3:16 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: alum rims vs steel rims Just from my experience, of the 3 aluminum motor cycle rims I have studied closely, all had what appear to be factory welds. Skip The Aluminum rims should be machined out of one piece and have no weld. Chris Bobka


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    Time: 01:46:02 PM PST US
    From: "hjarrett" <hjarrett@hroads.net>
    Subject: Re: Long-range planning
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "hjarrett" <hjarrett@hroads.net> I hate to be a party pooper but you DON'T want to put your baby outside. I have been all over a wood wing Mooney and an old PT that only spent a couple of seasons outside and they were JUNK. If the dry rot, mold or mildew doesn't end up killing you in a related failure you will have a heart attack when you inspect and find all your work has turned to junk (all of this should be disregarded if you live in the desert southwest, just build a sun shade for it). There IS however hope. How about building an enclosed trailer? If you use the 3 piece wing you should be able to build a box for her to keep her dry and several people could put trailers in one tie down (drops the price to $25 a month!!!). Trailers are simple after you have built a plane and seems like I saw one the guy put doors in so he could put it in with the wings spread then buttoned it up with the wings sticking out and put covers on them. Good solution if you are flying pretty regular. Just go out at the end of the season and fold her up. Winter time you drag her home and save even more. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hodgson, Mark O" <mhodgson@bu.edu> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Long-range planning > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" <mhodgson@bu.edu> > > Something that's been in the back of my mind but won't go away is the > ultimate hangar value question. Around here (Beantown, MA) suburban > hangar rental seems to be something like 200 - 400/month. Tie-downs > here can be almost reasonable (75 at one strip, for example). In a few > years at those hangar rates you pay more for the space than for the > Piet. Soooooo--just how much of a sin is it to tie down a > wood-and-fabric aircraft? The books say don't do it, but I notice that > some people do do it, and wonder if there are good inspection and > maintenance procedures to ensure you don't ultimately wind up like Knute > Rockne (whose Fokker had dry-rot in its spars). > > Mark Hodgson > >


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    Time: 02:37:10 PM PST US
    From: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Long-range planning
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net> Mark...... It's a CRIME to park it outside. Unfortunately, you need to pay the price.....and try to find someone to share it with. Your plane will appreciate it by providing you with lots of hours of trouble free flying....And it stays much cleaner when you park it inside. Weav ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hodgson, Mark O" <mhodgson@bu.edu> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Long-range planning > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" <mhodgson@bu.edu> > > Something that's been in the back of my mind but won't go away is the > ultimate hangar value question. Around here (Beantown, MA) suburban > hangar rental seems to be something like 200 - 400/month. Tie-downs > here can be almost reasonable (75 at one strip, for example). In a few > years at those hangar rates you pay more for the space than for the > Piet. Soooooo--just how much of a sin is it to tie down a > wood-and-fabric aircraft? The books say don't do it, but I notice that > some people do do it, and wonder if there are good inspection and > maintenance procedures to ensure you don't ultimately wind up like Knute > Rockne (whose Fokker had dry-rot in its spars). > > Mark Hodgson > >


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    Time: 08:05:52 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Fuel Tanks
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 1/30/04 1:28:34 AM Central Standard Time, vk3eka@bigpond.net.au writes: << I'm building both cowl tank and center section out of 0.050" 5052 - H32 Aluminium. >> Peter, Here is a few things to keep in mind, when you're designing your tanks: Make the fuel sumps at the lowest part of the tank, with the tail down. For the wing tank, put one in the back of the tank. For the cowl tank, slope the bottom of the tank forward, to the outlet - when the tail is on the ground. Make the outlet of the cowl tank so that all the water will find it's way out. You must assume that every time you add fuel, you add water, and you must sump it out before each flight. Make the wing tank slope to the center of the bottom, while in level flight, to the outlet. This will allow all the fuel to be transferred to the cowl tank, via an on / off valve on the bottom of the wing tank (above the passenger's head). Make the valve accessible from the pilot seat. I used a ball valve, and a simple torque tube in line with the rotation of the valve, along the bottom of the wing, with a 90 bend in it for the handle, just above the pilot's windshield. Isolate the cowl tank, and all the fittings, from the passenger compartment. Should a leak occur, the fuel can't find it's way to the passenger compartment. Insulate the cowl tank from the engine compartment, behind a sealed firewall. You can use Fiberfax, or Heavy weave fiberglass. Another fuel On / Off valve should be located at the outlet of the Cowl Tank, and operated via heavy duty cable, or very secure torque tube. I used a push-on, pull-off cable. Tony Bengelis shows all this. An engine fire Can Not have a flame path to the fuel tank, so all fittings through the firewall must be Fireproof. The gascolator should go on the bottom edge of the firewall (lowest point in the fuel system), and easily accessible thru the bottom of the cowl. Do Not put any portion of the gascolator below the bottom edge of the firewall. If you knock the landing gear off on landing, it can't cause a fuel leak. No need for any kind of fuel quantity indicator in the Wing Tank, because the engine will be drinking from the Cowl tank. Use a cork & wire in the cowl tank fuel cap. Do a thorough leak test to both tanks, before installation. These are just a few things to consider, when designing your fuel system. Chuck Gantzer NX770CG


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    Time: 09:54:58 PM PST US
    From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
    Subject: Fuel Tanks
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> Thanks Chuck, I presume the cowl tank would have to have a level indicating the capacity of the wing tank. This would allow the cowl tank to use enough fuel to enable the wing tank valve to be turned on and re-fill the cowl tank without overflowing the cowl tank. Unless there was a float valve on the cowl tank inlet from the wing tank. I think may be a better idea would be to have the fuel valves on each tank seperatley feeding the gascolator. You would also need some sort of wing tank quantity guage. What do you think? Cheers Peter -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel Tanks --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 1/30/04 1:28:34 AM Central Standard Time, vk3eka@bigpond.net.au writes: << I'm building both cowl tank and center section out of 0.050" 5052 - H32 Aluminium. >> Peter, Here is a few things to keep in mind, when you're designing your tanks: Make the fuel sumps at the lowest part of the tank, with the tail down. For the wing tank, put one in the back of the tank. For the cowl tank, slope the bottom of the tank forward, to the outlet - when the tail is on the ground. Make the outlet of the cowl tank so that all the water will find it's way out. You must assume that every time you add fuel, you add water, and you must sump it out before each flight. Make the wing tank slope to the center of the bottom, while in level flight, to the outlet. This will allow all the fuel to be transferred to the cowl tank, via an on / off valve on the bottom of the wing tank (above the passenger's head). Make the valve accessible from the pilot seat. I used a ball valve, and a simple torque tube in line with the rotation of the valve, along the bottom of the wing, with a 90 bend in it for the handle, just above the pilot's windshield. Isolate the cowl tank, and all the fittings, from the passenger compartment. Should a leak occur, the fuel can't find it's way to the passenger compartment. Insulate the cowl tank from the engine compartment, behind a sealed firewall. You can use Fiberfax, or Heavy weave fiberglass. Another fuel On / Off valve should be located at the outlet of the Cowl Tank, and operated via heavy duty cable, or very secure torque tube. I used a push-on, pull-off cable. Tony Bengelis shows all this. An engine fire Can Not have a flame path to the fuel tank, so all fittings through the firewall must be Fireproof. The gascolator should go on the bottom edge of the firewall (lowest point in the fuel system), and easily accessible thru the bottom of the cowl. Do Not put any portion of the gascolator below the bottom edge of the firewall. If you knock the landing gear off on landing, it can't cause a fuel leak. No need for any kind of fuel quantity indicator in the Wing Tank, because the engine will be drinking from the Cowl tank. Use a cork & wire in the cowl tank fuel cap. Do a thorough leak test to both tanks, before installation. These are just a few things to consider, when designing your fuel system. Chuck Gantzer NX770CG advertising on the Matronics Forums.


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    From: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: videos
    Absolutely!! That's it! Thats great! A CD will be just fine. Thank you Jim. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle Do you mean the site that had a lot of jpg's and a bunch of short video clips? I copied them (and the entire site, actually) before the site went down.....if that's the one you're referring to.... I'll burn a CD for you and bring it this weekend. If you prefer DVD, let me know. do not archive




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