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1. 06:18 AM - Re: Long-range planning (Carbarvo@aol.com)
2. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: more airfoil talk (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
3. 07:46 AM - Re: Long-range planning (Lauritz Larsen)
4. 09:21 AM - Subaru power (dave rowe)
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| Subject: | Re: Long-range planning |
Kevin....I appreciate your comments and experience. You took on quite an
ambitious project with the size of that hangar. My plans are much more timid. I
plan to put up a building that's just large enough for my Piet. I'll keep in
mind what you said about playing one vendor against another..smart move...'works
too!....Carl Vought
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| Subject: | Re: more airfoil talk |
Have you ever read about Jimmy Doolittle's test flight of a highly modified
Travel Air Mystery ship? The airplane, owned by Shell Oil Company, was taken
to Parks College in St. Louis for refurb.... I think in 1931 or 1932. They
did an aerodynamic clean-up adding sweeping wing filet fairings, and other
changes, including an airfoil mod. The first flight lasted about 30 minutes with
Jimmy Doolittle at the controls. He climbed to approx 5000ft. and joined up
with a camera ship. One in-flight picture was taken as far as I have ever seen.
Jimmy claimed the "Shell 400" was performing so well that he decided to do a
high speed pass over the field. At an altitiude of less than 50 ft, aileron
flutter set in so bad that Doolittle had no choice but to pull up and bail
out. His Parachute flight was said to be the lowest on record up to that time.
Lucky that the canopy opened in time. The second picture of the "Shell 400"
that I know of is of the mangled twisted wreckage.
I don't know about you guys, but I feel that its going to take some biig
cahoooonas for me to climb into the Piet for that first flight. I would wear a
'Chute, but I doubt I could fit in the cockpit with it, much less pry myself
loose to bail out if anything happened. Go ahead and do your research and
experiment with another airfoil if you must. But I'll pass. I'd much rather test
my airplane with the known FC-10.
my $ .02
TLB
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| Subject: | Re: Long-range planning |
Kevin,
I found your description of your hangar construction quite informative and pertinent.
Where are you located in Florida?
If you could reply, my address is pietlars@earthlink.net
Regards,
Lou Larsen
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Holcomb
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Long-range planning
I recently purchased a 50x50 straight sided quonset hut. There are a number
of companies with very similar products, all of them reluctant to initially quote
a price but eager to beat their competitors price. Spend a few months and
play them off each other. My experience was that the 'special, good this week
only price' was still available the next month. Expect a lot of carrying on,
'special deals', 'buy now before the price of steel goes up', etc from the salesmen.
Ignore all of the carrying on and just keep going back and forth. The
final price I paid was about half of the first quote I received.
My building is not complete yet, so far 17 out of 25 arches are up. I started
on Dec 26 and have worked evenings and weekends as I have a day job. An arch
per full day of work is about what it works out to. Mostly it has just been
my wife and I; you will need someone to hold the nuts. At least with my building
(which is 50 ft wide and thicker than usual to meet Florida's wind codes)
I found the instructions that show the arches being assembled on the ground to
be a joke as the arches would buckle under their own weight. Instead I have
been building the arches in place. With large holes in the metal and small bolts
most of them go through with little trouble. A couple of drift pins help
a lot. When you price the job out do not forget to add in the concrete for the
pad as that came to around 2/3 the cost of my building. Also expect to rent
a man lift (scissor type) for a couple of months during assembly and a forklift
for a day to unload the truck when it arrives. Doors are also quite expensive.
The good news is that there are no difficult skills to master, no heavy
lifting, and little heavy equipment.
A frame steel building with siding would probably have gone together faster,
however that would have involved heavy equipment that I do not have. The thought
of a collection of 50 ft beems being dropped in my yard and having to figure
out how to get them in position 16 feet in the air makes a quonset look great
to me.
Kevin
www.airminded.net
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To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: 1/31/2004 11:18:59 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Long-range planning
Pieters: The light at the end of the tunnel has alerted me to a need to house
this airplane somewhere. I have gotten interested in a company from Boone,
NC named US-Buildings..(800/463-6062). They have five styles of steel buildings
which appear to be simple to erect..(unlike some other aspects of my life).
One of these styles is reminiscent of B. Pietenpols hanger in Cherry Grove (now
at Oshkosh). I would be very interested to hear of any experiences any of you
may have with this company or with this style of building. At the prices they
were quoting, I figure it will pay for itself within five years............CAVU
Carl Vought
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
I've acquired a complete firewall forward subaru EA-81, with the Dave
Johnson redrive, 2:1, dual electronic ignition, carb heat, cabin heat,
radiators, etc. Am seeking contact with anyone else using a Subaru in a
Piet, for any tips advice, etc. We are also looking for any avionics
for sale, we will be flying out of class C airspace, and need a
transponder with mode C, comms, etc, and are also looking to purchase
vintage looking instruments as well. Also, (long list here) as we must
have comms, any advice on setting up comms, for instance, how well do
the David Clarke mikes react to open-cockpit flying??? Thanks Dave
Rowe
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