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1. 04:50 AM - Front & Center (Michael D Cuy)
2. 06:04 AM - Re: Wheels (Gadd, Skip)
3. 07:07 AM - Re: How you get a 17 gallon nose tank--even in ashort (Rick Holland)
4. 07:15 AM - Re: Graham-- are your cabanes slanted at all or vertical (Rick Holland)
5. 07:15 AM - Re: blood, sweat & tears (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
6. 08:41 AM - Re: How you get a 17 gallon nose tank--even in ashortfuse Pietenpol (Graham Hansen)
7. 10:16 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 02/04/04 (Sanders, Andrew P)
8. 12:46 PM - From the keyboard of a hill billy (Jim Vydra)
9. 01:23 PM - Re: From the keyboard of a hill billy (Doyle K. Combs)
10. 03:14 PM - Re:From the keyboard of a hill billy (walt evans)
11. 04:04 PM - Re: From the keyboard of a hill billy (TomTravis@aol.com)
12. 04:39 PM - Re:From the keyboard of a hill billy (Kip and Beth Gardner)
13. 04:42 PM - Re: blood, sweat & tears (Bert Conoly)
14. 05:15 PM - Re: Re:From the keyboard of a hill billy (walt evans)
15. 05:18 PM - Re: From the keyboard of a hill billy (dave rowe)
16. 05:32 PM - Re: Re:From the keyboard of a hill billy (Bert Conoly)
17. 05:33 PM - Re: Re:From the keyboard of a hill billy (DJ Vegh)
18. 05:37 PM - Re: Re:From the keyboard of a hill billy (Larry Ragan)
19. 05:37 PM - Re: Re:From the keyboard of a hill billy (John Joyce)
20. 05:45 PM - Changing the subject (Andimaxd@aol.com)
21. 05:57 PM - Re: Re:From the keyboard of a hill billy (Cy Galley)
22. 06:08 PM - Another change of subject. . . (dave rowe)
23. 06:10 PM - Re: From the keyboard of a hill billy (dave rowe)
24. 06:37 PM - Re: From the keyboard of a hill billy (John Ford)
25. 07:33 PM - Interesting online Pietenpol article.... (Jim Markle)
26. 08:05 PM - Re: Changing the subject ()
27. 09:04 PM - Re: Changing the subject (Cinda Gadd)
28. 11:48 PM - Another change of subject. . . (Shawn Wolk)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
In 1999 Doc and Bill Rewey along with Grant M. got us a reserved parking
area near show center at Oshkosh in the homebuilt area. This was fine
except for two very annoying things: 1) There was no easy way to lug your
camping gear over to the camping area behind the Theater In The Woods, and
2) When the afternoon airshow started people crammed their chairs in,
under, and closely around every Pietenpol since they provide great
shade. We had to ask some to move so we could put our chairs under our own
plane. We had one guy who repeatedly stood up with his video camera and
bashed my left aileron with his head trying to get views of a plane passing
by. When we told the guy to stop he had no idea what he was doing
wrong. We caught one guy leaning his chair way back to see the planes
overhead and his seat back was pressing into the fabric near the side
stringer. We also had the occasional smoker who always seemed to like to
look at the engine area where our gascolator is located. Luckily we got
the float mod so our carb doesn't leak anymore. We felt like we could not
enjoy the show due to worrying about what was happening to the
plane. Admittedly, no permanent harm was done that we ever found, but the
potential is very great up close to the flight line.
I know the area by the Theater in the Woods is usually filled with
biplanes like Stearmans and such but to me, that would be the primo area
for parking the Piets since the foot traffic and spectators are soooe much
less congested in that area and we would be very, very, close to the
campground and showers. Just some thought from our experience in 99.
Mike C.
PS-- don't get me wrong--it was neat having such a prominent seat in the
house for us Pietenpols and I am grateful that we can attend such a huge
and diverse airshow (to even live in this country is a blessing, but within
flying distance of Oshkosh !), but I have no grey hair yet and don't like
pushing it:))
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Dave, I keep a copy of the Flying and glider in my backpack. I found 2 width
dimensions for the wood gear.
61 1/2", outside of hub to outside of hub, I guess this is the length of
the straight axle.
42 1/2", inside of wood fitting to inside of wood fitting, this is the run
of the axle between the wood landing gear struts.
Good luck,
Skip
I am assuming that the width of the landing gear for my straight axle,
wood gear is the same as the plans show for the metal landing gear - Right?
The plans show 56 inches from center of hub left to center of hub right.
Thanks Richard and Carl for your advise concering spoke wheels. It's
good to hear from the "for what it's worth department."
Dave Paulsen - Missouri
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Dave,
I keep a copy of the Flying and glider in my backpack. I found 2 width
dimensions for the wood gear.
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fitting, this is the run of the axle between the wood landing gear
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I am assuming that the width
of the landing gear for my straight axle, wood gear is the same as the plans
show for the metal landing gear- Right? The plans show 56 inches
from center of hub left to center of hub right.
Thanks Richard and Carl for your advise
concering spoke wheels.It's good to hear from the"for what
it's worth department."
Dave Paulsen -
Missouri
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fuse Pietenpol
Subject: | Re: How you get a 17 gallon nose tank--even in ashort |
fuse Pietenpol
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland <at7000ft@speedtrail.net>
Graham
With this arrangment did you have to move your wing back to get your CG right?
RickH
Graham Hansen wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net>
>
>Rick,
>
>Yes, I would extend the fuselage 6" forward if I were to build another
>Pietenpol, and I would also stay with the 2" wider fuselage.
>
>I used an Aeronca 7ac engine mount which extends 8" forward from the
>firewall. It is OK for -8 Continentals, but with the C85-12 sans starter and
>generator the magnetos come very close to the firewall. Using a 10" mount
>instead of the 8" one would cure this problem and move the mass of the
>engine ahead an extra 2".
>
>Graham (CF-AUN)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Graham-- are your cabanes slanted at all or vertical |
?
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland <at7000ft@speedtrail.net>
Good info Mike. I have not yet heard of any negatives to Bernie's
suggested 6" front fuselage length increase. And as I said before the
mod buys you 6" of front passenger and fuel tank room instead of 6" of
dead air space between the engine and firewall with a 6" longer engine
mount.
RickH
Michael D Cuy wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Graham-- a pearl of wisdom I had not heard yet from Pietenpol via your
> e-mail on extending your fuselage six inches is a real revelation.
> Since most Model A Fords keep the cabanes pretty much upright with the
> heavy engine helping in that respect, I was curious to find if your
> wing needed to be slanted back or perhaps somewhat forward to get your
> CG to fall in the proper range. My guess is that they are mostly
> vertical.
>
> The added benefits of the longer fuselage seem to far outweigh any
> negatives. (that I can't think of even) You get more passenger leg
> room, more room for a fuel tank or baggage space behind the firewall.
> Really interesting.
>
> I know there will be some of the aero engineer types out there
> downplaying Graham's Pietenpol-suggested modification to the plans
> when using a Continental engine because you'll claim that the nose
> will wander and it will be laterally unstable or some such thing, but
> I've flown Joe Leonard's GN-1 Aircamper that has a really long motor
> mount---at least 6" longer than plans and his plane flies GREAT !
> (with a 85 Cont.)
>
> Another example of a great flying short fuse but Loooong motor mount
> Piet is Brian Kenny from Ontario, Canada. As I recall his motor mount
> for his 65 Cont. is a whopping 9" longer than the plans motor mount
> and Brian never spoke of any peculiar flying tendencies about his
> plane. (that he flew to Brodhead many times before not wanting to
> hassle with the border crossing pains)
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: blood, sweat & tears |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
OUWWW. I read that to my wife and we just about crawled up the wall. I hope you
heal soon. Last week I unintentionally tried to use the belt sander as a nail
file and ground into the tips of my index and middle finger. These things
happen in a nano-second and then everything we know about shop safety hits home
in a real way.
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
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Subject: | Re: How you get a 17 gallon nose tank--even in ashortfuse |
Pietenpol
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net>
Rick, DO NOT ARCHIVE
Yes. Cabane (center section) struts are slanted back at about the same angle
as the fuselage side truss members directly below them, thereby moving the
wing back approximately 3 inches.
Graham
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@speedtrail.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: How you get a 17 gallon nose tank--even in
ashortfuse Pietenpol
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland
<at7000ft@speedtrail.net>
>
> Graham
>
> With this arrangment did you have to move your wing back to get your CG
right?
>
> RickH
>
>
> Graham Hansen wrote:
>
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Graham Hansen"
<grhans@cable-lynx.net>
> >
> >Rick,
> >
> >Yes, I would extend the fuselage 6" forward if I were to build another
> >Pietenpol, and I would also stay with the 2" wider fuselage.
> >
> >I used an Aeronca 7ac engine mount which extends 8" forward from the
> >firewall. It is OK for -8 Continentals, but with the C85-12 sans starter
and
> >generator the magnetos come very close to the firewall. Using a 10" mount
> >instead of the 8" one would cure this problem and move the mass of the
> >engine ahead an extra 2".
> >
> >Graham (CF-AUN)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 02/04/04 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sanders, Andrew P" <andrew.p.sanders@boeing.com>
"Graham Hansen" <grhans@cable-lynx.net> Wrote:
... SNIP ...
>> Regarding trim change with fuel burn, my 85 hp Pietenpol is nose heavy with
the
tank full, so I "trim" with the throttle using about 2350 to 2375 RPM in cruise
initially and gradually back off as the nose lightens up. However, stick forces
are so light that it isn't at all burdensome to cruise at any RPM one chooses.
The above procedure provides a "hands off" condition, but only in smooth air.
My Pietenpol has never been tail heavy in flight, even with the A65 engine (I
switched to a C85 after about 115 hours with an A65). A friend built a nearly
identical airplane from the same jigs and it exhibits the typical Pietenpol tail
heaviness in flight with an A65 engine.
We never found out why they were different in this respect. However, both are
quite nose heavy in a power-off glide, regardless of fuel quantity.<<
Having the proper trim in cruise but nose heaviness in glide can be a symptom of
Too little downward offset of the engine thrust line. The actual trim of the aircraft
is too nose down and this shows itself in glide. During cruise the location of
the
thrust line below the drag pulls the nose up and masks the condition.
The two should be balanced so that when you back off the throttle, the nose should
drop to maintain (close to) the same trim speed. You might want to try adjusting
the stabilizer to maintain the speed in glide, then shim the top of the engine
mount with washers so that under power it doesn't nose up.
Andrew.
7E7 LSSPD Project Manager
Boeing Commercial Airplane Group.
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Subject: | From the keyboard of a hill billy |
Sharon Mcmillan <sharonmcmillen@aol.com>, pietenpol-list@matronics.com,
maryann ross <maryann.ross@worldnet.att.net>, rudy <rudyjoella@aol.com>,
Anne Vydra <avydra@hotmail.com>, Marianne Vydra <marianne.vydra@orst.edu>,
Richard Vydra <richbet44@aol.com>, Vic Vydra <vsqurd@cox.net>,
Elaine Vydra-Wiegand <elaine@electroponics.com>
Attached was a letter to the editor in this mornings paper.
Naked boob on
tube nothing new
So whats the deal? Sure
we got a brief flash of breast
when Justin Timberlake
pulled off Janet Jacksons
bustier during the half time
show at the Super Bowl.
So what?
I mean, barely a week ear-
lier every network in the
country had a naked boob in
front of the camera for an
hour.
But then again, Im sure
more people were watching
the Super Bowl than
watched the State of the
Union address.
Mitch Paskowltz, Springfield
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Subject: | Re: From the keyboard of a hill billy |
rather political if I interpret this little message correctly. This is Pietenpol
country not Dems or Reps.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Vydra
To: dvydra ; kelly Sharon Mcmillan ; pietenpol-list@matronics.com ; maryann ross
; rudy ; Anne Vydra ; Marianne Vydra ; Richard Vydra ; Vic Vydra ; Elaine
Vydra-Wiegand
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 2:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: From the keyboard of a hill billy
Attached was a letter to the editor in this mornings paper.
Naked boob on
tube nothing new
So what's the deal? Sure
we got a brief flash of breast
when Justin Timberlake
pulled off Janet Jackson's
bustier during the half time
show at the Super Bowl.
So what?
I mean, barely a week ear-
lier every network in the
country had a naked boob in
front of the camera for an
hour.
But then again, I'm sure
more people were watching
the Super Bowl than
watched the State of the
Union address.
Mitch Paskowltz, Springfield
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Subject: | From the keyboard of a hill billy |
No I don't want to hear that crap either. I'm a Veteran from the Viet Nam war.
Sub sailor with 5 Nuc patrols, and Diesel/Pig boat duty.
I watched the second WTC tower fall from across the river. Never saw 1,000 people
die before my eyes before.
I'll vote for that "boob" again.
Lets talk about Pietenpols.
walt evans STS2(SS)
NX140DL
Do not archive
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Subject: | Re: From the keyboard of a hill billy |
In a message dated 2/6/2004 5:15:20 PM Central Standard Time,
wbeevans@verizon.net writes:
> I'll vote for that "boob" again.
>
> Lets talk about Pietenpols.
>
AMEN!
Tom Travis
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Subject: | From the keyboard of a hill billy |
At 6:14 PM -0500 2/6/04, walt evans wrote:
>No I don't want to hear that crap either. I'm a Veteran from the
>Viet Nam war. Sub sailor with 5 Nuc patrols, and Diesel/Pig boat
>duty.
>I watched the second WTC tower fall from across the river. Never
>saw 1,000 people die before my eyes before.
>I'll vote for that "boob" again.
>
>Lets talk about Pietenpols.
>
>walt evans STS2(SS)
>NX140DL
I'd like to talk about Pietenpols also & generally try to do so......
However, I'd like to point out that the "let's not get political"
card ONLY gets played whenever someone makes a comment interpreted as
being critical of the "boob" & his policieis. Flag-waving comments
in support of said "boob" generally gets a free pass or an AMEN!.
Frankly, I'm sick of it. I wish the "boob" was in the process of
being held accountable for starting what I consider an unecessary and
illegal war that has killed 500+ of our fellow citizens and wounded
more than 3000 others - none of which has anything to do with the
events of 9/11/2001.
Patriotism comes in many flavors, including the right and duty to
oppose policies we disagree with.
Enough of my soapboxing - if you don't want the list to be political,
then let's not have a double standard.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Kip Gardner
--
North Canton, OH
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Subject: | Re: blood, sweat & tears |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bert Conoly" <bconoly@earthlink.net>
Yeah don't let anybody tell you a hack saw won't cut you either. I made the
nicest, neatest cut THROUGH my thumbnail and literally cut half my thumb
off. I went to the hospital ER - I was afraid of debris in it. It hardly
bled at all. The Doc gave me three alternatives - each of which had to do
with some major pain it sounded like. I said " I vote we glue that puppy up
with Super Glue and see how it does." He shrugged his shoulders and said
"OK by me".
A few months later you couldn't even see the scar and the cut in the nail
had grown out. All gone.
Seriously, I never use a hand saw now - even a hack saw - without a glove on
my left hand.
Bert (who now has two covered wings, a covered center section, and covered
tail feathers- the fuse is next) do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <BARNSTMR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: blood, sweat & tears
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
>
>
> OUWWW. I read that to my wife and we just about crawled up the wall. I
hope you heal soon. Last week I unintentionally tried to use the belt
sander as a nail file and ground into the tips of my index and middle
finger. These things happen in a nano-second and then everything we know
about shop safety hits home in a real way.
> Terry L. Bowden
> ph 254-715-4773
> fax 254-853-3805
>
>
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Subject: | Re: From the keyboard of a hill billy |
re:Pietenpol-List: From the keyboard of a hill billyOh brother,,,here we go.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Kip and Beth Gardner
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 7:40 PM
Subject: re:Pietenpol-List: From the keyboard of a hill billy
At 6:14 PM -0500 2/6/04, walt evans wrote:
No I don't want to hear that crap either. I'm a Veteran from the Viet Nam
war. Sub sailor with 5 Nuc patrols, and Diesel/Pig boat duty.
I watched the second WTC tower fall from across the river. Never saw 1,000
people die before my eyes before.
I'll vote for that "boob" again.
Lets talk about Pietenpols.
walt evans STS2(SS)
NX140DL
I'd like to talk about Pietenpols also & generally try to do so......
However, I'd like to point out that the "let's not get political" card ONLY gets
played whenever someone makes a comment interpreted as being critical of the
"boob" & his policieis. Flag-waving comments in support of said "boob" generally
gets a free pass or an AMEN!.
Frankly, I'm sick of it. I wish the "boob" was in the process of being held
accountable for starting what I consider an unecessary and illegal war that has
killed 500+ of our fellow citizens and wounded more than 3000 others - none
of which has anything to do with the events of 9/11/2001.
Patriotism comes in many flavors, including the right and duty to oppose policies
we disagree with.
Enough of my soapboxing - if you don't want the list to be political, then let's
not have a double standard.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Kip Gardner
--
North Canton, OH
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Subject: | Re: From the keyboard of a hill billy |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
Hey I fly as the ASW guy in Canadian Sea Kings. Sorry if I've ever
pinged the hell out of you, if I'd known sewer tubers liked Pietenpols I
would have eased off a bit!! Keep up the fight, wish we could do more
to help, but I'm running out of bubble gum to keep my helo together!!
Agree we can have a sense of humour, just need to stay somewhat airplane
related.
> walt evans wrote:
>
> No I don't want to hear that crap either. I'm a Veteran from the
> Viet Nam war. Sub sailor with 5 Nuc patrols, and Diesel/Pig boat
> duty.
> I watched the second WTC tower fall from across the river. Never saw
> 1,000 people die before my eyes before.
> I'll vote for that "boob" again.
>
> Lets talk about Pietenpols.
>
> walt evans STS2(SS)
> NX140DL
>
> Do not archive
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Subject: | Re: From the keyboard of a hill billy |
re:Pietenpol-List: From the keyboard of a hill billyUh Oh. I hear the rip of Dacron
Polyester unravelling here. C'mon guys. We all have our political opinions.
I'll bet you mine is as strong if not stronger than every one of yours
- but I'm not gonna tell you what it is. If you want to e-mail me off list I'd
LOVE to argue. But I'm not going to insult half of you by voicing my opinions.
Lets don't forget that just a few hours ago, we were all part of the same family
- people that love flying and Piet-type airplanes. PLEASE don't let this issue
drive half of us off.
Like a swollen and bruised Rodney King said - "Can't we all just get along?"
Bert the referee
(Go Ahead and Archive - it's important that we don't throw the baby out with the
bathwater.)
----- Original Message -----
From: Kip and Beth Gardner
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 7:40 PM
Subject: re:Pietenpol-List: From the keyboard of a hill billy
At 6:14 PM -0500 2/6/04, walt evans wrote:
No I don't want to hear that crap either. I'm a Veteran from the Viet Nam
war. Sub sailor with 5 Nuc patrols, and Diesel/Pig boat duty.
I watched the second WTC tower fall from across the river. Never saw 1,000
people die before my eyes before.
I'll vote for that "boob" again.
Lets talk about Pietenpols.
walt evans STS2(SS)
NX140DL
I'd like to talk about Pietenpols also & generally try to do so......
However, I'd like to point out that the "let's not get political" card ONLY gets
played whenever someone makes a comment interpreted as being critical of the
"boob" & his policieis. Flag-waving comments in support of said "boob" generally
gets a free pass or an AMEN!.
Frankly, I'm sick of it. I wish the "boob" was in the process of being held
accountable for starting what I consider an unecessary and illegal war that has
killed 500+ of our fellow citizens and wounded more than 3000 others - none
of which has anything to do with the events of 9/11/2001.
Patriotism comes in many flavors, including the right and duty to oppose policies
we disagree with.
Enough of my soapboxing - if you don't want the list to be political, then let's
not have a double standard.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Kip Gardner
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North Canton, OH
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Subject: | Re: From the keyboard of a hill billy |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Larry Ragan" <lragan@hotmail.com>
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Jacksonville, Fl.
lragan@hotmail.com
Get some great ideas here for your sweetheart on Valentine's Day - and beyond.
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Subject: | Re: From the keyboard of a hill billy |
Hey Walt Evans:
I too am a Vietnam vet, an ex C-130 driver. This is for Piet messages not for political
crap.
John Joyce
North Reading, MA
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 6:14 PM
Subject: re:Pietenpol-List: From the keyboard of a hill billy
No I don't want to hear that crap either. I'm a Veteran from the Viet Nam
war. Sub sailor with 5 Nuc patrols, and Diesel/Pig boat duty.
I watched the second WTC tower fall from across the river. Never saw 1,000 people
die before my eyes before.
I'll vote for that "boob" again.
Lets talk about Pietenpols.
walt evans STS2(SS)
NX140DL
Do not archive
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Subject: | Changing the subject |
Hey guys!
This is sort of changing the subject. Considering the current subject matter
I will ask a dumb question.
Am I supposed to cover the belly of this beast (underside of the fuse) with
fabric or leave it wood? I would assume you are supposed to cover it, but I
saw a fly baby the other day, and the fabric stopped at the bottom of the
fuselage. I am going to have an aluminum access panel from the pilots seat aft
all
the way the tail wheel.
Max
Arlington, TX.
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Subject: | Re: From the keyboard of a hill billy |
re:Pietenpol-List: From the keyboard of a hill billySo you prefer starboard!!
<GRIN>
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: re:Pietenpol-List: From the keyboard of a hill billy
my delete key is working especially well tonight.... wouldn't want to "infect"
my computer (or my mind) with any port wing non-sense
:-)
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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----- Original Message -----
From: Kip and Beth Gardner
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 5:40 PM
Subject: re:Pietenpol-List: From the keyboard of a hill billy
At 6:14 PM -0500 2/6/04, walt evans wrote:
No I don't want to hear that crap either. I'm a Veteran from the Viet Nam
war. Sub sailor with 5 Nuc patrols, and Diesel/Pig boat duty.
I watched the second WTC tower fall from across the river. Never saw 1,000
people die before my eyes before.
I'll vote for that "boob" again.
Lets talk about Pietenpols.
walt evans STS2(SS)
NX140DL
I'd like to talk about Pietenpols also & generally try to do so......
However, I'd like to point out that the "let's not get political" card ONLY
gets played whenever someone makes a comment interpreted as being critical of
the "boob" & his policieis. Flag-waving comments in support of said "boob" generally
gets a free pass or an AMEN!.
Frankly, I'm sick of it. I wish the "boob" was in the process of being held
accountable for starting what I consider an unecessary and illegal war that
has killed 500+ of our fellow citizens and wounded more than 3000 others - none
of which has anything to do with the events of 9/11/2001.
Patriotism comes in many flavors, including the right and duty to oppose policies
we disagree with.
Enough of my soapboxing - if you don't want the list to be political, then
let's not have a double standard.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Kip Gardner
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North Canton, OH
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Subject: | Another change of subject. . . |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
Speaking of covering, I'm considering HiPec. Very similar, I think, to
what I used on R/C stuff, plse jump in with opinions, comments,
laughter, etc, and P.S., have ordered pile of how to cover your airplane
in bedsheets type books, any stuff aval online???? I'm too lazy tonight
to do much real work, thought I'd read about how great my plane will
look if I get off my butt type stuff. Thanks, Dave.
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Subject: | Re: From the keyboard of a hill billy |
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
Nuff of the fishead, I mean navy talk! I have to live with those guys
4-6 mos a year. I walk on a floor and lean on the walls, go to the
bathroom, lie in my bed, and eat dessert. (navy translation = deck,
bulkhead, head, rack, duff) Note these Navy guys like the word head . .
.
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Subject: | Re: From the keyboard of a hill billy |
Whew! I was worried that the "from the keyboard of a hill billy" was
going to be some sort of question about how far back on the tail do you
port the "range extender" so you don't get pee all over the tailwheel...
You can imagine my relief that instead it was nothing more than someone
stirring the pot-which-I'd-rather-not-stir-amongst-friends instead.
I'll happily share my poitical stance off-list with anyone who cares to
listen/read, but I recognize that while I'm certain we all would
disagree amount a million different things we all seem to dig
Pietenpols, no matter where we choose to vent the fluids. ;-) I look
forward to seeing you all at Brodhead...
John
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> rowed044@shaw.ca Friday, February 06, 2004 9:10:48 PM >>>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
Nuff of the fishead, I mean navy talk! I have to live with those guys
4-6 mos a year. I walk on a floor and lean on the walls, go to the
bathroom, lie in my bed, and eat dessert. (navy translation = deck,
bulkhead, head, rack, duff) Note these Navy guys like the word head .
.
.
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Subject: | Interesting online Pietenpol article.... |
Timeless Voice of the Week
Dave Harris, EAA 9119, of Mason City, Iowa, has had some typical EAA experiences.
For instance, he built his own airplane-a Pietenpol Air Camper. But Dave also
had some unique experiences, like parachuting out of Steve Wittman's airplane
during air shows. "I like learning, and believe me, if you're even half alive
you will never quit learning when you're around aviation," he said. Read more
about Dave's experiences on the Timeless Voices website.
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Subject: | Re: Changing the subject |
Max,
Covering the belly is optional. I've seen it both ways.
Dale and I put a fairing strip down the center of the belly then covered
with fabric. It looks better than an uncovered belly.
Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis
----- Original Message -----
From: Andimaxd@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 7:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Changing the subject
Hey guys!
This is sort of changing the subject. Considering the current subject matter
I will ask a dumb question.
Am I supposed to cover the belly of this beast (underside of the fuse) with fabric
or leave it wood? I would assume you are supposed to cover it, but I saw
a fly baby the other day, and the fabric stopped at the bottom of the fuselage.
I am going to have an aluminum access panel from the pilots seat aft all
the way the tail wheel.
Max
Arlington, TX.
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Subject: | Re: Changing the subject |
Max,
Not a dumb question.
Agreed, the belly does look better covered.
The other side is, it is easier to inspect bolt heads and nuts sticking thorough
the floor, uncovered.
Why are you running the inspection panel all the way back?
Skip, in Atlanta
----- Original Message -----
Hey guys!
This is sort of changing the subject. Considering the current subject matter I
will ask a dumb question.
Am I supposed to cover the belly of this beast (underside of the fuse) with fabric
or leave it wood? I would assume you are supposed to cover it, but I saw
a fly baby the other day, and the fabric stopped at the bottom of the fuselage.
I am going to have an aluminum access panel from the pilots seat aft all the
way the tail wheel.
Max
Arlington, TX.
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Subject: | Another change of subject. . . |
I have used the HIPEC system on my Pietenpol. 2.7oz.fabric, and brushed on the
Grey coat (Hipec sun barrer).This is the same material that is used to glue
the fabric to the ribs. When I made a sample test jig, the adhesion was strong
enough to rip apart the capstrips on the test jig. Whats reallyneatabout the
stuffis its incredible flexibility. You can take a piece of HSB treated fabric,
roll it up in to a ball. The spread it out andtry shining a light threw it.
The coating isn't damaged.
On the tail I finished the colour coat with the HIPEC Top Coat. This is the
two part cyanate based polyurethane that requires air supply while spraying. When
I recovered the wing this spring I used HIPEC again with 2.7oz. fabric,but
sprayed it with latex forthe colour topcoat. Mainly because I didn't want to
spray that poison again. The latex though is heavier and no way as nice as the
finish of the HIPEC Top Coat that was used on the tail.
On my other homebuilt, the original builder used HIPEC HSB then used Centauri
as a top coat. Centauri is a premium automotive finish. The Centauri seems to
have lost alot of its elasticity, and is cracking and peeling in places. But
with close inspection, the HIPEC underneath is in great shape. No cracking or
sign of any deterioration at all.
Repairs are also simple with the HIPEC, and no ribstitching or tapes at the
ribs. The extra work for getting the HIPEC to glue the fabric to the bottom of
the undercambered wing was a pain. I had to weight the fabric down so it was
resting on the ribs with over a hundred margarine tubs filled with sand & gravel.
Just to give you a p[erspective on how well the HSB glues. When I was removing
the masking tape from the fuel filler on the wing tank. I didn't run a knife
around first, and the HSB glued the masking tape to the edge of the fabric so
well that I ripped the fabric pulling off the tape. Good thing its easy to patch
with HIPEC.
Shawn Wolk
C-FRAZ Pietenpol Aircamper
C-GZOT Skyhopper 2
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