---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/12/04: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:30 AM - Re: wind tunnel (Gnwac@cs.com) 2. 06:16 AM - Re: wind tunnel (Robert Haines) 3. 02:58 PM - (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 4. 06:00 PM - Texas Pietenpols & GN-1s (KRSBtv@aol.com) 5. 08:10 PM - Re: Question of the week???????????? (Alex Sloan) 6. 08:44 PM - Re: Question of the week???????????? (Isablcorky@aol.com) 7. 09:55 PM - Re: Question of the week???????????? (jimboyer@direcway.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:06 AM PST US From: Gnwac@cs.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wind tunnel Robert, I commend your efforts already! I as a new builder would think that this would be a great asset to all Piet'ers. This would put alot of questions to rest. Greg Menoche Delaware ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:14 AM PST US From: "Robert Haines" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: wind tunnel --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Haines" Yikes, I hate to think that that's the only response I get from my post! Anyway, last night after sending the following email, I downloaded a full featured demo version of DesignFOIL. The demo only lasts five days, but that's all I need to get some data on the FC-10. It looks to be an easier and equally valid solution to models in a wind tunnel. Again, if anyone else has generated wing section data for the FC-10, please share. Robert Haines Du Quoin, Illinois > Time: 03:15:04 PM PST US > From: "Robert Haines" > Subject: Pietenpol-List: wind tunnel > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Robert Haines" > > This morning, I dropped by my alma mater, Southern Illinois University, to > track down the wind tunnel that was in the Fluid Dynamics Lab. It has been > over a decade since I took the class and the university has since renovated > the School of Engineering so I would have been lucky to find it in the same > place. I had the assistant dean calling several departments to track it > down and it was evidently horse traded to the School of Aviation (where it > should have been in the first place). So I drove out to the airport. I met > the department head and he gave me the grand tour and there it was, right > next to the supersonic wind tunnel, between several cut-away jet engines, > and next to enough airplane stuff to make me want to quit my job and just > hang out there every day. He said that they don't use it much, but > considering that it had the same sample wing section in it as it did 14 > years ago, I would say they haven't used it at all. He said that if I > wanted to make some wing sections, I could have full access to it. He also > said that if I needed some help, they have these things called undergraduate > students. > > The only problem is that it only has the instrumentation to do lift and > drag. It would need an additional equipment, such as a third load cell, to > determine center of pressure, which in a university setting is not hard to > drum up. Since there has been so much debate regarding the moment generated > by the FC-10 and it other characteristics, I thought a full set of charts on > the airfoil might be nice to have. > > My questions for the group are: has anyone already produced this > information? Is there a computer software package available that analyzes > wing sections so building models is not necessary? Not that I wouldn't love > to do this, it's just my time is pretty scare already and I'd hate to waste > it. > > Robert Haines > Du Quoin, Illinois > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:58:24 PM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com UPPERCASE_25_50 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com I saw this ad on Barnstormers I HAVE NOT SEEN THESE PARTS, NEVER MET THE OWNER, NOT TIED TO THIS IN ANY WAY, OTHER THAN TO PASS ON PIETENPOL INFO. Terry B PIETENPOL PARTS FOR SALE FOR SALE For Sale / Pietenpol tail feathers. Built from aircraft grade Sitka Spruce from Aircraft Spruce Co. Tail Feathers are amost complete. Over $400.00 invested not counting time. Will sell for $250.00 Included are fin and rudder, elevators and stabilizer. Have photos if you need them. Contact Jim Farmer - located Maryville, MO USA Telephone: 660582-4189 Posted February 9, 2004 I HAVE NOT SEEN THESE PARTS, NEVER MET THE OWNER, NOT TIED TO THIS IN ANY WAY, OTHER THAN TO PASS ON PIETENPOL INFO. Terry B ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:07 PM PST US From: KRSBtv@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Texas Pietenpols & GN-1s I managed to lose my list of fellow Texans who are building or have built and are flying Pietenpols and GN-1s. If y'all (Texan for you guys or you all) could resend me your details, I'd be much obliged. I'll not trust the data to a hard drive again but will print out addresses, phone numbers and other contact details to leave in my Rolodex this time. I guess it might be nice to have a list of folks in adjoining states of Oklahoma, New Mexico and Louisiana. Texans and Southerners can resend me the info at KRSBTV@AOL.com (I'd also like to meet owners in Tucson and Phoenix areas since I occasionally make trips there.) I'm hoping to make the rounds across Texas when the weather is a little more favorable, to take some pictures and video. In return, I'll send everybody I visit a CD or DVD of what I compile. It might be handy to compare notes and builder tips and tricks. I'm still in a quandary what to do with my airplane (now named Frankenstein) and I suppose I might get it flying someday (to be flown by the Village Idiot) or I might part it out and sell off components. I might end up with another Piet and "Frankenstein," if I simply go out and buy a flying specimen in the coming weeks... Time will tell. Thanks, Sterling Brooks Knot-2-Shabby Airport & Texas Longhorn Cattle Ranch (5TA6) San Antonio Sectional NOTAMS... Fresh cow chips on runway. Land at your own risk. Pilots flying open cockpit airplane are encouraged to wear goggles upon touchdown... Cow chips tend to splatter everywhere and I have 5 dogs on patrol. Shultzie, the German Shepherd bites!!! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:02 PM PST US From: "Alex Sloan" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Question of the week???????????? I suppose if we do not put a number on the year then when it comes out, it will be correct. Alex S. ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Question of the week???????????? What year. Someone told me the same words back in 2000. Corky waiting in wet La ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:27 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Question of the week???????????? Alex, It looks like this waiting on this issue is going to outlast me. When it began I was troting, then I slowed to a walk. Now I'm on a cane but still optimist. I honestly think that it's all politics so certain people can gather the credit. Corky in La and will keep waiting ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:20 PM PST US From: jimboyer@direcway.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Question of the week???????????? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: jimboyer@direcway.com Hi Corky, You know its all politics. They all want the credit but they are also afraid to be the one giving their support in case there might be a problem somewhere they haven't thought of. Hang it there, eventually it will get signed off in spite of the political hacks. Cheers, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Question of the week???????????? > Alex, > > It looks like this waiting on this issue is going to outlast me. > When it > began I was troting, then I slowed to a walk. Now I'm on a cane > but still > optimist. I honestly think that it's all politics so certain > people can gather the > credit. > > Corky in La and will keep waiting >