---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/20/04: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:12 AM - Re: Wind Tunnel (bike.mike) 2. 08:33 AM - Re: wind tunnel (John Dilatush) 3. 08:37 AM - Re: Stearman "Dial" type fuel gauge? (Richard Navratil) 4. 08:43 AM - Re: wind tunnel (John Dilatush) 5. 08:52 AM - Wing Tank (Isablcorky@aol.com) 6. 08:56 AM - two questions (Richard Navratil) 7. 09:30 AM - Dick N.'s Pietenpol photo (Michael D Cuy) 8. 09:39 AM - gps in a Piet (Michael D Cuy) 9. 09:47 AM - Re: two questions (Lynn & Doris Knoll) 10. 09:47 AM - Re: two questions (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 11. 10:19 AM - Re: Dick N.'s Pietenpol photo (Fred Weaver) 12. 10:37 AM - Re: two questions (Norman Stapelberg) 13. 11:17 AM - Re: two questions (Cy Galley) 14. 11:23 AM - Re: Stearman "Dial" type fuel gauge? (Cy Galley) 15. 12:19 PM - Give Dick N. a break, guys (Michael D Cuy) 16. 02:01 PM - Re: Give Dick N. a break, guys () 17. 02:07 PM - Re: Stearman "Dial" type fuel gauge? (Cinda Gadd) 18. 06:53 PM - Re: Dick N.'s Pietenpol photo (Richard Navratil) 19. 06:56 PM - Re: Dick N.'s Pietenpol photo (Richard Navratil) 20. 07:59 PM - Re: Stearman "Dial" type fuel gauge? (Bert Conoly) 21. 09:07 PM - Spring Struts (Rcaprd@aol.com) 22. 09:57 PM - Re: Stearman "Dial" type fuel gauge? (Clif Dawson) 23. 10:04 PM - Re: Spring Struts (Clif Dawson) 24. 10:07 PM - Spring Struts details are on mykitplane.com.... (Jim Markle) 25. 10:10 PM - Re: Give Dick N. a break, guys (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:19 AM PST US From: "bike.mike" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wind Tunnel --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bike.mike" Coming right up, Chris, as soon as I install the strain gauges on the flying wires and getting the multi-channel data link to work. Oh, and finish the airplane. ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian Bobka > Mike Hardaway, > > You go out and fly around and when you land, please graph out the polar for > the FC-10. That will spare us all a lot of work trying to come up with it > the best we can the more traditional way. > > Oh, also, I need the chordwise lift distribution at AOA's from -4 to 19 > degrees to size spars. > > I will eagerly await your results. > > chris bobka > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:26 AM PST US From: "John Dilatush" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wind tunnel --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: wind tunnel ========================== Well said, Oscar! ========================== > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > Bike.Mike asks- > > >What is it that you expect to learn by performing a wind tunnel test? > > Characteristic curves, man! Graphs of coefficients of lift, and drag! X > and Y axes, with numbers and things! We nerdy types (I'm an engineer) live > for graphs and formulae, and when we can reduce "touchy-feely" to numerical > and graphical quantification, then we can dig in with glee. All these years > this airfoil has been out there but it was developed by feel and the > performance results are all empirical. To those of us who live in the > 'what-if' world, we need graphs and numbers and analyses to slake our > thirst. To those who are wondering about tweaking the airfoil (please don't > kick me off the list), a starting point is needed. That starting point is > the airfoil characteristics, the graphs, the plots, the numbers! Don't you > see? > > But you knew that, Mike. You wanted to quash technical discussion out of > respect for a marvelous and time-proven, grand old dame... the Piet and her > enigmatic airfoil. You wanted to keep people from looking under her skirts, > from lifting her veil, from seeing her without her makeup on. You wanted to > protect her from "modernization", from the ugly hands of those who would > Rutan-ize her and turn her into something other than what she really needs > to be for all time, for us who see the design in its 75th year of successful > existence, and for builders and pilots not yet even born. I know you, Mike! > But cut us engineers a tiny bit of slack and let us play with the > computers, will ya? It's in our blood... > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:53 AM PST US From: "Richard Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stearman "Dial" type fuel gauge? MessageI installed the Stearman guage but cut it down to 5" and installed close to the cabane strut. It also functions as a low point drain. See the attached pic. Dick N ----- Original Message ----- From: Gadd, Skip To: 'pietenpol-list@matronics.com' Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:37 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Stearman "Dial" type fuel gauge? Max, Yea, that's the guys. Skip -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andimaxd@aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 12:25 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stearman "Dial" type fuel gauge? In a message dated 2/19/2004 11:12:44 AM Central Standard Time, Andimaxd@aol.com writes: Skip: Thank you, that sounds like the one! I am not familiar with Snyders. Can you give me contact info. This was mounted on the bottom of the tank at about a 45 degree angle, and seems like it would be the lesser of the evils at this point. Max Skip: I found Snyders Antique Auto Parts on the net... Thanks a bunch !!! ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:42 AM PST US From: "John Dilatush" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wind tunnel --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" ----- Original Message ----- From: "bike.mike" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wind tunnel ============================ But Mike, It seems that anything which flys and is a parasol wing design is now referred to as a "Pietenpol". All are built differently, even from the same plans. It seems to me that we must start from a common denominator, and this must be accurate numbers from an accurate airfoil. I doubt if all of our collective flight experience will provide this beginning point. I agree with Oscar, do it right with accurate and confirmable wind tunnel testing! John ============================ > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bike.mike" > > Oscar, > > I have an engineer's heart, too, and I love numbers as much as anyone. My > concern is that, considering the understanding that I read between the lines > on the list, someone will produce numbers that have no relationship to any > other airfoil numbers. Then I fear that others will use those numbers and > assume they're gospel. What good are numbers that can't be relied on? > If someone can resurrect Abbot and Von Donhoff and use their techniques and > their old tunnel at Langley, I'll shut up and groove on those beautiful > drag polars and L/D curves. > But if a hobbyist carves a 6" approximation of a Piet wing and claims that > his numbers from a different tunnel can be compared to those of other > airfoils found in NACA Report 824 and give a valid basis for comparison of > the Piet wing with those other airfoils in flight, he's blowing smoke thick > enough to cloud reason. > Better numbers can be discerned from the flight testing that has been done > for years on our "grande dame". > > Mike Hardaway > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Oscar Zuniga > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:11 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: wind tunnel > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > > > > > Bike.Mike asks- > > > > >What is it that you expect to learn by performing a wind tunnel test? > > > > Characteristic curves, man! Graphs of coefficients of lift, and drag! X > > and Y axes, with numbers and things! We nerdy types (I'm an engineer) > live > > for graphs and formulae, and when we can reduce "touchy-feely" to > numerical > > and graphical quantification, then we can dig in with glee. All these > years > > this airfoil has been out there but it was developed by feel and the > > performance results are all empirical. To those of us who live in the > > 'what-if' world, we need graphs and numbers and analyses to slake our > > thirst. To those who are wondering about tweaking the airfoil (please > don't > > kick me off the list), a starting point is needed. That starting point is > > the airfoil characteristics, the graphs, the plots, the numbers! Don't > you > > see? > > > > But you knew that, Mike. You wanted to quash technical discussion out of > > respect for a marvelous and time-proven, grand old dame... the Piet and > her > > enigmatic airfoil. You wanted to keep people from looking under her > skirts, > > from lifting her veil, from seeing her without her makeup on. You wanted > to > > protect her from "modernization", from the ugly hands of those who would > > Rutan-ize her and turn her into something other than what she really needs > > to be for all time, for us who see the design in its 75th year of > successful > > existence, and for builders and pilots not yet even born. I know you, > Mike! > > But cut us engineers a tiny bit of slack and let us play with the > > computers, will ya? It's in our blood... > > > > Oscar Zuniga > > San Antonio, TX > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:52 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Tank Pieters, One of you who lives in Calgary, Alberta was promised a wing tank about a year ago. Would you please get back to me with a shipping address so I can get this tank to you. Thanks Corky in La ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:40 AM PST US From: "Richard Navratil" Subject: Pietenpol-List: two questions I installed a fuel shutoff valve right at the carb for an emergency shutoff in the cockpit. I also have a shutoff for the wing tank located on the cabane strut. I am having problems with the operation of the valve at the carb and am wondering at this point if it is worth having. Problem is it does not always fully open or close. I am thinking of getting rid of the cable and leaving the valve for maint work. I should add that I also have a 4 gal nose tank located after the wing tank valve which is fed directly from the wing tank. Does anyone have this type of shutoff ? Is it a good idea? question 2 I have a hand held Garmin GPS II that I would like to mount behind the wind shield. Does anyone know if the gps will receive signal thru the fabric of the wing. Checking it on the ground it works. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:26 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dick N.'s Pietenpol photo --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Dick-- Thank you for posting the photo of your fuel gauge, but more importantly your plane is looking very complete and very nice. Looks fresh out of your shop and now in a hangar. Super. Think we'll be seeing a first flight report in the future from you ? Great to see some folks making some headway. It can be tough to work in shop time on these Pietenpols while life happens ! Mike C. enjoying a nice 50 F day in February !!! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:24 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: gps in a Piet --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Dick-- I gave in and bought a gps for my birthday a few years ago. It is a Garmin GPS III Pilot and it works well in the Piet cockpit on my lap. It works better behind the windshield---especially upon initialization but for me, that was way too close to my face. ( I use the antenna that comes with the basic unit--no extra antenna) From time to time my unit will slip along side my thigh and then it will tell me "poor gps coverage" but once I bring it up to my lap clipboard it quickly re-acquires position. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:37 AM PST US From: "Lynn & Doris Knoll" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: two questions Dick, In Tony Bengelis's book "Firewall Forward" see page 159. He recommends the fuel shut-off valve be located next to the tank. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Navratil To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: two questions I installed a fuel shutoff valve right at the carb for an emergency shutoff in the cockpit. I also have a shutoff for the wing tank located on the cabane strut. I am having problems with the operation of the valve at the carb and am wondering at this point if it is worth having. Problem is it does not always fully open or close. I am thinking of getting rid of the cable and leaving the valve for maint work. I should add that I also have a 4 gal nose tank located after the wing tank valve which is fed directly from the wing tank. Does anyone have this type of shutoff ? Is it a good idea? question 2 I have a hand held Garmin GPS II that I would like to mount behind the wind shield. Does anyone know if the gps will receive signal thru the fabric of the wing. Checking it on the ground it works. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:59 AM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: two questions --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com You don't want your shut-off valve on the engine side of the firewall. The best design for fuel shut-off valve is to install it on the aft face of the firewall. This is to allow the pilot to close the valve in flight in the event of an engine compartment fire. And, you want it rigged so that there is no question about the control having enough movement for full open and positive shut-off. This comes straight out of the FAA regs. Terry L. Bowden ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:42 AM PST US From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dick N.'s Pietenpol photo --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" What's with the missing nut on the bolt near the guage? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dick N.'s Pietenpol photo > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > Dick-- Thank you for posting the photo of your fuel gauge, but more > importantly your plane is looking very complete and very nice. Looks fresh > out of your shop and now in a hangar. Super. Think we'll be seeing a > first flight report in the future from you ? Great to see some folks > making some headway. It can be tough to work in shop time on these > Pietenpols while life happens ! > > Mike C. enjoying a nice 50 F day in February !!! > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:49 AM PST US From: "Norman Stapelberg" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: two questions --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Norman Stapelberg" I fitted my fuel shut off valve to the bulkhead fitting on the fire wall, then I made up a 4130 0.90" plate which fitted on to the valve, to that I fitted a rose joint and a stainless steel 1/4" pipe, the pipe runs through to the rear cockpit, the pipe is run through two guides. In the rear cockpit it is bent out and a aluminum angle is screwed to the side wall of the fuselage, this angle acts as a stop, to operate the shut off valve is as follows lift up and pull back to shut off and visa versa for fuel on so far it has given no problems. If need be I can take a snap shot and post to the net. With this mod I got a increase in fuel flow from 25Lt in 50min to 70Lt in 50min. note no fuel pump is fitted gravity is used, less contraptions less hang ups. I use the idea of KIS (Keep It Simple) Cheers for now Norman Stapelberg ZS-VJA (116Hrs) FASI -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: two questions --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com You don't want your shut-off valve on the engine side of the firewall. The best design for fuel shut-off valve is to install it on the aft face of the firewall. This is to allow the pilot to close the valve in flight in the event of an engine compartment fire. And, you want it rigged so that there is no question about the control having enough movement for full open and positive shut-off. This comes straight out of the FAA regs. Terry L. Bowden == == == == ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:26 AM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: two questions Locating a valve inside the engine compartment is not a good idea. Why you ask? Valves leak externally as well as not stopping the flow. I gas leak under the cowl is not a good thing for fire suppression. Now you are going to say that many gascolators have quick drains and you are right. When you check the gascolator for water and dirt you are there with the engine off and you shouldn't start up unless it is closed and not leaking. Had an old 1963 Skyhawk that had the gascolater drain on a cable into the cockpit. I noticed that this feature is no longer used. Don't know if the factory suggested that it be re-located but not being able to see that it is shut off before starting is not good. I would remove the valve entirely and place it where it is protected and can be used from pilot's compartment. It could be lifesaving to be able to shut off the fuel in case of an in-flight fire. Cy Galley Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynn & Doris Knoll To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 11:47 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: two questions Dick, In Tony Bengelis's book "Firewall Forward" see page 159. He recommends the fuel shut-off valve be located next to the tank. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Navratil To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: two questions I installed a fuel shutoff valve right at the carb for an emergency shutoff in the cockpit. I also have a shutoff for the wing tank located on the cabane strut. I am having problems with the operation of the valve at the carb and am wondering at this point if it is worth having. Problem is it does not always fully open or close. I am thinking of getting rid of the cable and leaving the valve for maint work. I should add that I also have a 4 gal nose tank located after the wing tank valve which is fed directly from the wing tank. Does anyone have this type of shutoff ? Is it a good idea? question 2 I have a hand held Garmin GPS II that I would like to mount behind the wind shield. Does anyone know if the gps will receive signal thru the fabric of the wing. Checking it on the ground it works. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:59 AM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stearman "Dial" type fuel gauge? MessageNO NUT? ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Navratil To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 10:36 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stearman "Dial" type fuel gauge? I installed the Stearman guage but cut it down to 5" and installed close to the cabane strut. It also functions as a low point drain. See the attached pic. Dick N ----- Original Message ----- From: Gadd, Skip To: 'pietenpol-list@matronics.com' Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:37 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Stearman "Dial" type fuel gauge? Max, Yea, that's the guys. Skip -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andimaxd@aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 12:25 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stearman "Dial" type fuel gauge? In a message dated 2/19/2004 11:12:44 AM Central Standard Time, Andimaxd@aol.com writes: Skip: Thank you, that sounds like the one! I am not familiar with Snyders. Can you give me contact info. This was mounted on the bottom of the tank at about a 45 degree angle, and seems like it would be the lesser of the evils at this point. Max Skip: I found Snyders Antique Auto Parts on the net... Thanks a bunch !!! ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:19:29 PM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Give Dick N. a break, guys <003401c3f7cf$bd816290$0600a8c0@laptop> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Dick-- Again-- great looking plane you have there and just a note to say that it was pretty obvious to me that you are not quite finished with your project as the cabanes will be painted yet and you'll safety the turnbuckles when you are ready and you'll put those nuts where they belong well before your FAA inspection. I see you've already had some pre-inspection help in critiquing your plane's incompleteness. I just want to say---nice airplane and congratulations. Thanks for the input on your fuel gauge to the list too. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:01:39 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Give Dick N. a break, guys --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: No need to worry about Dick N. He is quite skilled on all of this building stuff and won't fly with a missing nut. Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Give Dick N. a break, guys > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > Dick-- Again-- great looking plane you have there and just a note to say > that it was pretty obvious to me that you are not quite finished with your > project as the cabanes will be painted yet and you'll safety the > turnbuckles when you are ready and you'll put those nuts where they belong > well before your FAA inspection. I see you've already had some > pre-inspection help in critiquing your plane's incompleteness. I just > want to say---nice airplane and congratulations. Thanks for the input on > your fuel gauge to the list too. > > Mike C. > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:07:58 PM PST US From: "Cinda Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Stearman "Dial" type fuel gauge? Max, April 2004 CUSTOM PLANES has an article about a 1929 Davis Parasol. There is a little better picture of the Model A fuel gauge than Snyders web site. The set-up looks a lot like Dennis Halls Model A Piet, you probably saw at Brodhead. Skip ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:43 PM PST US From: "Richard Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dick N.'s Pietenpol photo --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" If weather cooperates, we'll be doing taxi tests this weekend. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Cuy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dick N.'s Pietenpol photo > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > Dick-- Thank you for posting the photo of your fuel gauge, but more > importantly your plane is looking very complete and very nice. Looks fresh > out of your shop and now in a hangar. Super. Think we'll be seeing a > first flight report in the future from you ? Great to see some folks > making some headway. It can be tough to work in shop time on these > Pietenpols while life happens ! > > Mike C. enjoying a nice 50 F day in February !!! > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:37 PM PST US From: "Richard Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dick N.'s Pietenpol photo --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" It's an old picture. All done and safety wires on tunbuckles and all nuts re-checked for at least the third time now. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Dick N.'s Pietenpol photo > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" > > What's with the missing nut on the bolt near the guage? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael D Cuy" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 9:29 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dick N.'s Pietenpol photo > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > > > > Dick-- Thank you for posting the photo of your fuel gauge, but more > > importantly your plane is looking very complete and very nice. Looks > fresh > > out of your shop and now in a hangar. Super. Think we'll be seeing a > > first flight report in the future from you ? Great to see some folks > > making some headway. It can be tough to work in shop time on these > > Pietenpols while life happens ! > > > > Mike C. enjoying a nice 50 F day in February !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:53 PM PST US From: "Bert Conoly" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stearman "Dial" type fuel gauge? MessageDick, knowing you and your ability, I'd say it's pretty darn obvious that you have not exactly FINISHED your plane yet. Well, the "no nut" should go along nicely with the "no safety wire on the turnbuckle" that some of the resident critics have obviously missed. Great Job Dick. It's looking really good. Hope to see you at Sun N Fun. ----- Original Message ----- From: Cy Galley To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 2:24 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stearman "Dial" type fuel gauge? NO NUT? ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Navratil To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 10:36 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stearman "Dial" type fuel gauge? I installed the Stearman guage but cut it down to 5" and installed close to the cabane strut. It also functions as a low point drain. See the attached pic. Dick N ----- Original Message ----- From: Gadd, Skip To: 'pietenpol-list@matronics.com' Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:37 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Stearman "Dial" type fuel gauge? Max, Yea, that's the guys. Skip -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andimaxd@aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 12:25 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stearman "Dial" type fuel gauge? In a message dated 2/19/2004 11:12:44 AM Central Standard Time, Andimaxd@aol.com writes: Skip: Thank you, that sounds like the one! I am not familiar with Snyders. Can you give me contact info. This was mounted on the bottom of the tank at about a 45 degree angle, and seems like it would be the lesser of the evils at this point. Max Skip: I found Snyders Antique Auto Parts on the net... Thanks a bunch !!! ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:09 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spring Struts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com Group, I'm going to switch from plans built bunji struts, to spring struts. I need the plans to build the spring struts. Doug Bryant told me that there was a nice drawing in 'Reed Hamilton's Pietenpol Directory'. Does anyone have plans from this directory, or any plans, that they can e-mail me, or maybe even attempt a text description with details. Thanks !! Chuck Gantzer NX770CG ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:25 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stearman "Dial" type fuel gauge? Back to the future?? :-) Clif Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Stearman "Dial" type fuel gauge? Max, April 2004 CUSTOM PLANES has an article about a 1929 Davis Parasol. There is a little better picture of the Model A fuel gauge than Snyders web site. The set-up looks a lot like Dennis Halls Model A Piet, you probably saw at Brodhead. Skip ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:58 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spring Struts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson What about the ones in the 1933 Flying Manual for the Sky Scout? Clif > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > Group, > I'm going to switch from plans built bunji struts, to spring struts. I need > the plans to build the spring struts. Doug Bryant told me that there was a > nice drawing in 'Reed Hamilton's Pietenpol Directory'. Does anyone have plans > from this directory, or any plans, that they can e-mail me, or maybe even > attempt a text description with details. Thanks !! > > Chuck Gantzer > NX770CG > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:47 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spring Struts details are on mykitplane.com.... --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle Check out: -----Original Message----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spring Struts --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com Group, I'm going to switch from plans built bunji struts, to spring struts. I need the plans to build the spring struts. Doug Bryant told me that there was a nice drawing in 'Reed Hamilton's Pietenpol Directory'. Does anyone have plans from this directory, or any plans, that they can e-mail me, or maybe even attempt a text description with details. Thanks !! Chuck Gantzer NX770CG ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:48 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Give Dick N. a break, guys <003401c3f7cf$bd816290$0600a8c0@laptop> <5.1.1.5.2.20040220151437.017f7c20@popserve.grc.nasa.gov> <004701c3f7fd$18647850$0200a8c0@ATO> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson Which one? :-) Clif > > No need to worry about Dick N. He is quite skilled on all of this > building stuff and won't fly with a missing nut. >