---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/23/04: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:45 AM - Re: was prop loss now high speed connection (Clif Dawson) 2. 06:01 AM - Proper Propeller Position (Andimaxd@aol.com) 3. 07:08 AM - Re: Proper Propeller Position (walt evans) 4. 07:17 AM - Re: Proper Propeller Position (Andimaxd@aol.com) 5. 09:19 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 02/22/04 (rhartwig11@juno.com) 6. 10:12 AM - Radio Shack (Michael D Cuy) 7. 10:18 AM - Norman: prop loss-- what will you replace it with ? (Michael D Cuy) 8. 10:30 AM - Re: Radio Shack (Gadd, Skip) 9. 10:38 AM - Re: Norman: prop loss-- what will you replace (John Ford) 10. 11:40 AM - Re: Norman: prop loss-- what will you replace it with ? (Norman Stapelberg) 11. 07:13 PM - Walt Evan's Pietenpol NX140DL (Doc Mosher) 12. 07:53 PM - Re: Walt Evan's Pietenpol NX140DL (walt evans) 13. 09:38 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 02/22/04 (Franck) 14. 10:11 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 02/22/04 (DJ Vegh) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:18 AM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: was prop loss now high speed connection <006401c3f94b$3e89d670$3b3b2c42@office> <004501c3f961$90b99050$d2a86d44@Desktop> <009e01c3f96b$2dcf8ee0$57c5fea9@mke> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson Or just put em on mykitplane. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Conkling" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: was prop loss now high speed connection > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Michael Conkling" > > Hey DJ, > > Excellent point, except that I would have to move to a location that offers > more than just "dial-up" -- not everyone on this group is on the leading > edge of technology -- my ISP (& computer) are like the Piet, "Low & Slow". > > I have added a new "message rule" to my computer to not download any > "Pietenpol List" attachments -- maybe you can let me know what I'm > missing!;-) > > Mike > Pretty Prairie, KS > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DJ Vegh" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 10:33 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: was prop loss now high speed connection > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" > > > > downloaded for me in seconds.... maybe you seriously ought to consider a > > high speed connection. if download time is of such importance to you (and > > it must be if your gonna leave the list over it) then why do you stick > with > > a dial up? it's like an extra $10 a month to go high speed. > > > > sorry to see ya go. > > > > DJ Vegh > > N74DV > > Mesa, AZ > > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > > > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:11 AM PST US From: Andimaxd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Proper Propeller Position Group: We have a cont. 75 h.p. engine with a wooden prop. and we got our new propeller bushings in the other day and are getting ready to put them in. My question to you; is there a special way to orient the propeller? There is a key way in the prop. hub. Should the prop. be in line with this key, perpendicular to it or does it matter at all? If not, should we position it so it is on the compression stroke at the 10 o'clock position or does it matter at all. It has six bolts in it so I guess we can position it in six different places on the hub. I have learned a lot about building air frames, but am just getting started on the engine chapter !! Max Arlington, TX. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:05 AM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Proper Propeller Position Max, If you are hand propping, then you need the 10:00 position. It's the only way my 65 would be able to be started by hand. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Andimaxd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Proper Propeller Position Group: We have a cont. 75 h.p. engine with a wooden prop. and we got our new propeller bushings in the other day and are getting ready to put them in. My question to you; is there a special way to orient the propeller? There is a key way in the prop. hub. Should the prop. be in line with this key, perpendicular to it or does it matter at all? If not, should we position it so it is on the compression stroke at the 10 o'clock position or does it matter at all. It has six bolts in it so I guess we can position it in six different places on the hub. I have learned a lot about building air frames, but am just getting started on the engine chapter !! Max Arlington, TX. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:18 AM PST US From: Andimaxd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Proper Propeller Position In a message dated 2/23/2004 9:09:33 AM Central Standard Time, wbeevans@verizon.net writes: > Max, > If you are hand propping, then you need the 10:00 position. It's the only > way my 65 would be able to be started by hand. > walt evans > NX140DL > Walt: Yes, I am hand propping, I thought maybe I could orient it from the key in the hub. Joe is correct, this is addressed in the engines section of the flybaby website. Thanks guys, Max Arlington, TX. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 02/22/04 From: rhartwig11@juno.com I sympathize with Gene on the issue of photo attachments, but for a different reason. I get the Piet Digest rather than the individual messages. The reason is--it is quicker to get through all of the messages and I can spend more time on building---but you don't get the attachments when you subscribe to the digest and I would like to see some of the pictures. Satellite connection is the only thing available in High Speed Internet for a lot of people--and it is very expensive for most, considering the amount of time spent on-line. If your Internet use consists of the Pietenpol List and sending a few e-mail messages per month---satellite, cable and DSL are an extravagant expense. Three things would make the Piet List more friendly. (1) Use photoshare for pictures (2) When you reply to a message--- copy and paste just a few lines from the message you are responding to instead of replying with the whole thread. Many responses consist of 2 or 3 lines, but they also include 30 or 40 or more lines from the original message. (3) When you want to congratulate someone with a "Way to go!!" just click on that person's e-mail link and send it to the person rather than the whole list. Every message we send to the Piet List is archived and takes up space on the server. It would do all of us good to read the Pietenpol List Usage Guidelines once a month at the end of the page at http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm . Dick Hartwig ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:12:09 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Radio Shack .com> <000001c3f8b2$485f5420$36ea1ec4@norman> <006401c3f94b$3e89d670$3b3b2c42@office> <004501c3f961$90b99050$d2a86d44@Desktop> <6.0.1.1.0.20040222104435.01cc63e8@mail.powernet.org> <024001c3f9b9$e0459b70$ab31020a@CPQ17340127742> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Do not archive Sorry for the kinda off topic post, but I found it funny that the guy at Radio Shack who waited on me Saturday asked me two questions assuming that I was like everyone else he waits on. Q: "Who is your current cell phone provider ?" A: "I don't have a cell phone. My wife has one and that is good enough for me." Second question was: " who is your current cable provider ?" A: " We don't have cable----that is why I'm buying this tv antenna...." Must have looked at me like I was out of the 1970's ! I kind of liked it:) Mike C. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:30 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Norman: prop loss-- what will you replace it with ? <006401c3f94b$3e89d670$3b3b2c42@office> <004501c3f961$90b99050$d2a86d44@Desktop> <009e01c3f96b$2dcf8ee0$57c5fea9@mke> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Norman-- will you be replacing the one blade that you lost or replacing the entire assy. with a solid/laminated two-bladed prop or metal one ? Was the prop/hub you were using new or quite old ? Any idea what made it part company with the hub? Forgive me if you've answered these questions. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:59 AM PST US From: "Gadd, Skip" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Radio Shack --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gadd, Skip" Mike, Maybe that is why you are flying and I am still building. Be careful putting up that antenna, I read somewhere that is one of the more dangerous activities around the house, especially if there any power cables in the area. Skip Do not archive > A: "I don't have a cell phone. >A: " We don't have cable----that is why I'm buying >this tv antenna...." >Mike C. advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:38:41 AM PST US From: "John Ford" it with ? Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Norman: prop loss-- what will you replace it with ? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" Lack of commitment.. do not archive John Ford john@indstate.edu 812-237-8542 >>> Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov Monday, February 23, 2004 1:18:22 PM >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Any idea what made it part company with the hub? Mike C. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:49 AM PST US From: "Norman Stapelberg" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Norman: prop loss-- what will you replace it with ? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Norman Stapelberg" CAA picked up the remanats of my prop and are going to analyse it, once its returned it becomes a very expensive wall clock, to answer some questions I"ve been getting once the tubes have cut out and spliced, she will going for a full ex-ray, as she had been done before the last covering. I will be ordering a new prop, the fuselage is sitting in mw garage stripped of the covering, at the end she will be completely recovered and resprayed. I'll send pic's as she progresses but as there has been offence taken due to the snap shots, I'll refrain and try to post them somewhere. Regards Norman ZS-VJA (rebuilding) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Norman: prop loss-- what will you replace it with ? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Norman-- will you be replacing the one blade that you lost or replacing the entire assy. with a solid/laminated two-bladed prop or metal one ? Was the prop/hub you were using new or quite old ? Any idea what made it part company with the hub? Forgive me if you've answered these questions. Mike C. == == == == ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:57 PM PST US From: Doc Mosher Subject: Pietenpol-List: Walt Evan's Pietenpol NX140DL --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Doc Mosher The Spring 2004 issue of "To Fly" magazine (Sport Aviation Association, Oshkosh, WI) has a 1/2 page display of photos of Walt Evans and his beautiful Piet, NX140DL. One shot shows Walt weighing his airplane, another of Walt in the cockpit ready for flight, and a third shows the plane in flight. The accompanying captions were written by Paul P. The same issue shows Lloyd Spannagel of Strasburg,IL with his partially built Piet, which should be completed this year. Lloyd's two grandsons are trying out the cockpits. For you Corvair guys, the latest issue of "Contact" magazine (Issue #75, Nov/Dec 2003) is entirely devoted to the Corvair engine, with a cover photo of William Wynne's Piet from a year or two ago. Usually, "Contact" covers a broad base of automobile engines converted for aircraft use, but this time, it's all Corvair. The centerfold features Pat Panzera's showpiece Corvair in full color. Interestingly, the engine has a staple in midpage. Doc Mosher Oshkosh USA ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:06 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Walt Evan's Pietenpol NX140DL --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" Doc, This is very exciting. Do you know when it will be out? Can't wait till I see that , and I can't wait to see spring! It's been a looooong winter. Thanks for the heads up. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doc Mosher" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Walt Evan's Pietenpol NX140DL > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Doc Mosher > > The Spring 2004 issue of "To Fly" magazine (Sport Aviation Association, > Oshkosh, WI) has a 1/2 page display of photos of Walt Evans and his > beautiful Piet, NX140DL. One shot shows Walt weighing his airplane, > another of Walt in the cockpit ready for flight, and a third shows the > plane in flight. The accompanying captions were written by Paul P. > > The same issue shows Lloyd Spannagel of Strasburg,IL with his partially > built Piet, which should be completed this year. Lloyd's two grandsons are > trying out the cockpits. > > For you Corvair guys, the latest issue of "Contact" magazine (Issue #75, > Nov/Dec 2003) is entirely devoted to the Corvair engine, with a cover photo > of William Wynne's Piet from a year or two ago. Usually, "Contact" covers > a broad base of automobile engines converted for aircraft use, but this > time, it's all Corvair. The centerfold features Pat Panzera's showpiece > Corvair in full color. Interestingly, the engine has a staple in midpage. > > Doc Mosher > Oshkosh USA > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:28 PM PST US From: Franck Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 02/22/04 Time: 08:33:35 AM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: was prop loss now high speed connection --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" downloaded for me in seconds.... maybe you seriously ought to consider a high speed connection. if download time is of such importance to you (and it must be if your gonna leave the list over it) then why do you stick with a dial up? it's like an extra $10 a month to go high speed. sorry to see ya go. DJ Vegh N74DV Mesa, AZ www.imagedv.com/aircamper I'm sure you didn't intend to sound callous DJ, but many of us hicks still live in the sticks and a dial-up is our only connection. I agree with Gene Rambo, there are too many "junk" responses that are better sent directly to the original poster rather than to the List. Ron Franck Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:39 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 02/22/04 eWVhaC4uLiBJIGd1ZXNzIEkganVzdCBmb3JnZXQgdGhhdCBub3QgYWxsIG9mIHVzIGhhdmUgdGhl IGFiaWxpdHkgdG8gZ2V0IGEgaGlnaCBzcGVkIGNvbm5lY3Rpb24uDQoNCml0J3MganVzdCBteSB3 YXkgSSBzdXBwb3NlLi4uIEknbSBpbiB0aGUgImhpZ2ggdGVjaCIgYnVzaW5lc3MgYW5kIEkgY2Fu J3Qgc2VlIGhvdyBJIHdvdWxkIGV2ZXIgZ2V0IGJ5IHdpdGhvdXQgaXQuICA5OCUgb2YgYWxsIHBl b3BsZSBJIGtub3cgaGF2ZSBoaWdoIHNwZWVkIGFuZCBJIGp1c3QgcGxhaW4gZm9yZ2V0IHRoYXQg bm90IGV2ZXJ5b25lIGVsc2UgZG9lcy4NCg0KSSBoYXZlIG5vdGhpbmcgYWdhaW5zdCBwb3N0aW5n IGxpbmtzIHRvIHBob3Rvcy4uIGhlbGwgSSBoYXZlIGRvbmUgaXQgdGhhdCB3YXkgZXZlciBzaW5j ZSBJIGpvaW5lZCB0aGlzIGxpc3QuIA0KDQpJIGRvIGFncmVlIHRoYXQgbGlmZSB3b3VsZCBiZSBl YXNpZXIgaWYgbGlua3Mgd2VyZSBzdXBwbGllZCByYXRoZXIgdGhhbiBwaG90b3MuDQoNCkluIGZh Y3QsICBpZiBhbnlvbmUgaGVyZSBldmVyIHdhbnRzIHRvIHNob3cgYSBwaWMgdG8gdGhlIGxpc3Qg YW5kIHRoZXkgZG8gbm90IGhhdmUgdGhlIGFiaWxpdHkgdG8gcG9zdCBpdCB1cCB0byBhIHNpdGUg dGhleSBjYW4gZW1haWwgaXQgdG8gbWUgYW5kIEknbGwgcHV0IGl0IHVwIG9uIG15IHNpdGUgZm9y IHRoZW0uDQoNCg0KREogVmVnaA0KTjc0RFYNCk1lc2EsIEFaDQp3d3cuaW1hZ2Vkdi5jb20vYWly Y2FtcGVyDQoNCg0KDQotDQoNCiAgLS0tLS0gT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZSAtLS0tLSANCiAgRnJv bTogRnJhbmNrIA0KICBUbzogcGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbSANCiAgU2VudDog TW9uZGF5LCBGZWJydWFyeSAyMywgMjAwNCAxMDo0MSBQTQ0KICBTdWJqZWN0OiBQaWV0ZW5wb2wt TGlzdDogUmU6IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0IERpZ2VzdDogMjQgTXNncyAtIDAyLzIyLzA0DQoNCg0K ICBUaW1lOiAwODozMzozNSBBTSBQU1QgVVMgDQogIEZyb206ICJESiBWZWdoIiA8ZGp2QGltYWdl ZHYuY29tPiANCiAgU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0OiB3YXMgcHJvcCBsb3NzIG5v dyBoaWdoIHNwZWVkIGNvbm5lY3Rpb24NCiAgLS0+IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0IG1lc3NhZ2UgcG9z dGVkIGJ5OiAiREogVmVnaCIgPGRqdkBpbWFnZWR2LmNvbT4NCiAgZG93bmxvYWRlZCBmb3IgbWUg aW4gc2Vjb25kcy4uLi4gbWF5YmUgeW91IHNlcmlvdXNseSBvdWdodCB0byBjb25zaWRlciBhIA0K ICBoaWdoIHNwZWVkIGNvbm5lY3Rpb24uIGlmIGRvd25sb2FkIHRpbWUgaXMgb2Ygc3VjaCBpbXBv cnRhbmNlIHRvIHlvdSAoYW5kIA0KICBpdCBtdXN0IGJlIGlmIHlvdXIgZ29ubmEgbGVhdmUgdGhl IGxpc3Qgb3ZlciBpdCkgdGhlbiB3aHkgZG8geW91IHN0aWNrIHdpdGggDQogIGEgZGlhbCB1cD8g aXQncyBsaWtlIGFuIGV4dHJhICQxMCBhIG1vbnRoIHRvIGdvIGhpZ2ggc3BlZWQuDQogIHNvcnJ5 IHRvIHNlZSB5YSBnby4NCiAgREogVmVnaCANCiAgTjc0RFYgDQogIE1lc2EsIEFaIA0KICB3d3cu aW1hZ2Vkdi5jb20vYWlyY2FtcGVyDQoNCiAgSSdtIHN1cmUgeW91IGRpZG4ndCBpbnRlbmQgdG8g c291bmQgY2FsbG91cyBESiwgYnV0IG1hbnkgb2YgdXMgaGlja3MgDQogIHN0aWxsIGxpdmUgaW4g dGhlIHN0aWNrcyBhbmQgYSBkaWFsLXVwIGlzIG91ciBvbmx5IGNvbm5lY3Rpb24uDQogIEkgYWdy ZWUgd2l0aCBHZW5lIFJhbWJvLCB0aGVyZSBhcmUgdG9vIG1hbnkgImp1bmsiIHJlc3BvbnNlcyB0 aGF0DQogIGFyZSBiZXR0ZXIgc2VudCBkaXJlY3RseSB0byB0aGUgb3JpZ2luYWwgcG9zdGVyIHJh dGhlciB0aGFuIHRvIHRoZSBMaXN0Lg0KICBSb24gRnJhbmNrDQogIERvIE5vdCBBcmNoaXZlIA==