Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 05:45 AM - Re: Axle (DOUGLAS BLACKBURN)
2. 09:39 AM - bought a GN-1 ! (DJ Vegh)
3. 10:04 AM - Re: bought a GN-1 ! (Michael D Cuy)
4. 01:47 PM - Re: bought a GN-1 ! (walt evans)
5. 03:29 PM - Re: bought a GN-1 ! (Jack Phillips)
6. 04:30 PM - Re: bought a GN-1 ! (DJ Vegh)
7. 04:41 PM - Re: bought a GN-1 ! (dave rowe)
8. 05:23 PM - Re: bought a GN-1 ! (Cy Galley)
9. 06:10 PM - Re: bobka@compuserve.com (Christian Bobka)
10. 06:16 PM - c/s fuel gauge (Andimaxd@aol.com)
11. 06:30 PM - Re: c/s fuel gauge (Christian Bobka)
12. 07:19 PM - Re: bought a GN-1 ! (Darrel E. Jones)
13. 07:44 PM - Re: bought a GN-1 ! (Clif Dawson)
14. 11:55 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Cliff,
Can you send me a private email? I did not see a response email for you on
this post. Thanks,
Doug Blackburn twinboom@msn.com
Do Not Archive
Doug & Elizabeth Blackburn
www.inlandsloperebels.com
W W's Conversion Manual 3202, 5782
www.flycorvair.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Clif Dawson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Axle
Thanks Weav.
Clif
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Weaver
Nice looking work Clif. I especially like your airspeed emblem.
Weav
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
well... I did it again. I picked up another nearly finished GN-1. I did the
same thing back in April of 2002. On that one I pulled the control stick assembly,
some turnbuckles, and various other hardware and then sold the rest for
a little more than I paid for it.. I basically got parts for "free" that way.
Anyways, I'm eating breakfast at the airport restaurant on Sunday and afterwards
I decided to take a drive on the ramp and around the hangars. The weather was
beautiful and a drive on the ramp checking out the planes seemed like a great
idea. As I near the hangars I am thinking to myself... "ya know... you never
see a Piet in a hangar with someone working on it" they're rare out here.
Well.. no sooner had I thought that I round a corner and much to my amazement there
is a craft sitting there looking very much like a Piet. I pull up to it
and and I'll be damned if it's not a GN-1! I get out and take a look and I see
a "for sale" sign on it. The gentleman who owns it comes out of his hangar
and we chat. He picked up the project last year and intended to finish it but
has now changed his mind. He never did much to it and it's still in the same
state is was when he bought it.
I look over the workmanship and I am impressed. Very nice work. Some areas are
kinda iffy, but overall you could tell a good craftsman had put his time into
it.
So now I'm thinking "I could sure use them wings!" Having those wings would cut
my building time down about 6-9 months. The wings are about 90% complete.
Just need leading and trailing edge aluminum and ailerons. They have the drag-anti
drag wires in place and it's trammeled and ready for final assembly.
The fuse contained a J-3 cowl, J-3 engine mount for A-65, J-3 Fuel tank, J-3 landing
gear with cleveland brakes, Maule tailwheel, complete control stick assembly.
I'm interested but I'm guessing the guy is probably wanting about $4,000 for it
all. I ask him anyway..... he names a price I absolutley cannot refuse.
So.... on Wednesday I'm going to pick it up. He lives about 15 minutes away from
me so it ought to be simple to move over. I'm going to use the wings and J-3
Fuel tank and maybe some other misc items.. I'll probably sell the fuse/tail
feathers and remaining parts.
This has accelerated my project by almost a year. The only draw back and issue
I'm having a problem with is I will not have built my entire plane.... am I
"selling out" by doing this? I feel guilty that I'll be using someone elses
time/labor to get my maching in the air....so I'm thinking that I'll use these
new wings for now and then when I want a little project I'll make my wings and
then switch over.... but in the meantime I'll have a flying machine much sooner.
gimme some feedback.
DJ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
_
=
This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit <http://www.halfpricehosting.com/av.asp>.
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: bought a GN-1 ! |
<4012B457.CBE0EBFC@shaw.ca>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
DJ-- in no way are you 'selling out ' by using wings that another built
! No way hose. You still will
have way, way, way, more labor into your GN-1 than some of these fast-build
or 'builder assisted' programs
that are really kind of a joke to qualify for the 51% rule. Doesn't
matter--I'm just glad to see another Piet or
Grega taking wing. Excellent move. Look at how much work you've put
into your engine conversion
alone ? You still have fabric and painting left too which to me makes it
yours--personalizes it.
I started with a fuselage skeleton that had changed hands over the
years and a runout 65 engine with no logs.
I even bought a set of wing ribs from a guy that had bought them from
Charlie Ruebeck. I had the same
misgivings that you are having but after completing the project I realized
that the majority of it was done by me.
Go for it !
PS-- finally got to fly over the weekend. Felt great. Walt E....any
flying in NJ for you ? Hope so.
Mike C.
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: bought a GN-1 ! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Mike,
MUD, MUD, MUD.
Most of the time I consider myself lucky being accross the grassy field, by
myself, but it has drawbacks. Right now you can't even walk across without
getting wet, muddy shoes.
The trade off is to fly but have the plane painted in soft chocolate ,
inside and out.
DJ,
You got my vote to use the wings. Why not? Besides you will still have
your covering on them which will show your workmanship to the observer .
walt evans
NX140DL
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: bought a GN-1 !
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
>>>>>> PS-- finally got to fly over the weekend. Felt great. Walt
E....any
> flying in NJ for you ? Hope so.<<<<<<<
>
>
> Mike C.
>
>
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Hey DJ,
Having built all the structure (which is the most fun part of building a
plane - that and fabric covering, in my opinion) in my Piet, I can tell you
that doing all the systems work and making everything fit is still plenty
enough work for you to be able to say "I built this airplane". At least, as
long as the FAA or DAR concur that you still did 51% of the work. Go for
it.
Jack Phillips
Finally getting weather warm enough to spray some Poly Spray. It's been a
long winter.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
Subject: Pietenpol-List: bought a GN-1 !
well... I did it again. I picked up another nearly finished GN-1. I did
the same thing back in April of 2002. On that one I pulled the control
stick assembly, some turnbuckles, and various other hardware and then sold
the rest for a little more than I paid for it.. I basically got parts for
"free" that way.
Anyways, I'm eating breakfast at the airport restaurant on Sunday and
afterwards I decided to take a drive on the ramp and around the hangars.
The weather was beautiful and a drive on the ramp checking out the planes
seemed like a great idea. As I near the hangars I am thinking to myself...
"ya know... you never see a Piet in a hangar with someone working on it"
they're rare out here.
Well.. no sooner had I thought that I round a corner and much to my
amazement there is a craft sitting there looking very much like a Piet. I
pull up to it and and I'll be damned if it's not a GN-1! I get out and take
a look and I see a "for sale" sign on it. The gentleman who owns it comes
out of his hangar and we chat. He picked up the project last year and
intended to finish it but has now changed his mind. He never did much to it
and it's still in the same state is was when he bought it.
I look over the workmanship and I am impressed. Very nice work. Some areas
are kinda iffy, but overall you could tell a good craftsman had put his time
into it.
So now I'm thinking "I could sure use them wings!" Having those wings would
cut my building time down about 6-9 months. The wings are about 90%
complete. Just need leading and trailing edge aluminum and ailerons. They
have the drag-anti drag wires in place and it's trammeled and ready for
final assembly.
The fuse contained a J-3 cowl, J-3 engine mount for A-65, J-3 Fuel tank, J-3
landing gear with cleveland brakes, Maule tailwheel, complete control stick
assembly.
I'm interested but I'm guessing the guy is probably wanting about $4,000 for
it all. I ask him anyway..... he names a price I absolutley cannot
refuse.
So.... on Wednesday I'm going to pick it up. He lives about 15 minutes away
from me so it ought to be simple to move over. I'm going to use the wings
and J-3 Fuel tank and maybe some other misc items.. I'll probably sell the
fuse/tail feathers and remaining parts.
This has accelerated my project by almost a year. The only draw back and
issue I'm having a problem with is I will not have built my entire plane....
am I "selling out" by doing this? I feel guilty that I'll be using someone
elses time/labor to get my maching in the air....so I'm thinking that I'll
use these new wings for now and then when I want a little project I'll make
my wings and then switch over.... but in the meantime I'll have a flying
machine much sooner.
gimme some feedback.
DJ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper <http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper>
_
This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by
Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more
information on an anti-virus email solution, visit .
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: bought a GN-1 ! |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Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: bought a GN-1 ! |
<002201c3ffb3$cc939a00$0564a8c0@rdci.az.home.com>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
Yes I think you sold out. pack everything up and send it to me, I will
clear your conscience for free! OK you can cover the shipping if it
makes you feel better!! Way to score DJ, hope to meet at a fly-in
sometime soon!! PS, just got a Subaru EA-81 with reductions drive 2:1,
complete firewall fwd pkg, with a spare engine!! Have to uncrate the
goods!!
> DJ Vegh wrote:
>
> well... I did it again. I picked up another nearly finished GN-1.
> I did the same thing back in April of 2002. On that one I pulled the
> control stick assembly, some turnbuckles, and various other hardware
> and then sold the rest for a little more than I paid for it.. I
> basically got parts for "free" that way.
>
> Anyways, I'm eating breakfast at the airport restaurant on Sunday and
> afterwards I decided to take a drive on the ramp and around the
> hangars. The weather was beautiful and a drive on the ramp checking
> out the planes seemed like a great idea. As I near the hangars I am
> thinking to myself... "ya know... you never see a Piet in a hangar
> with someone working on it" they're rare out here.
>
> Well.. no sooner had I thought that I round a corner and much to my
> amazement there is a craft sitting there looking very much like a
> Piet. I pull up to it and and I'll be damned if it's not a GN-1! I
> get out and take a look and I see a "for sale" sign on it. The
> gentleman who owns it comes out of his hangar and we chat. He picked
> up the project last year and intended to finish it but has now changed
> his mind. He never did much to it and it's still in the same state is
> was when he bought it.
>
> I look over the workmanship and I am impressed. Very nice work. Some
> areas are kinda iffy, but overall you could tell a good craftsman had
> put his time into it.
>
> So now I'm thinking "I could sure use them wings!" Having those wings
> would cut my building time down about 6-9 months. The wings are about
> 90% complete. Just need leading and trailing edge aluminum and
> ailerons. They have the drag-anti drag wires in place and it's
> trammeled and ready for final assembly.
>
> The fuse contained a J-3 cowl, J-3 engine mount for A-65, J-3 Fuel
> tank, J-3 landing gear with cleveland brakes, Maule tailwheel,
> complete control stick assembly.
>
> I'm interested but I'm guessing the guy is probably wanting about
> $4,000 for it all. I ask him anyway..... he names a price I
> absolutley cannot refuse.
>
> So.... on Wednesday I'm going to pick it up. He lives about 15 minutes
> away from me so it ought to be simple to move over. I'm going to use
> the wings and J-3 Fuel tank and maybe some other misc items.. I'll
> probably sell the fuse/tail feathers and remaining parts.
>
> This has accelerated my project by almost a year. The only draw back
> and issue I'm having a problem with is I will not have built my entire
> plane.... am I "selling out" by doing this? I feel guilty that I'll
> be using someone elses time/labor to get my maching in the air....so
> I'm thinking that I'll use these new wings for now and then when I
> want a little project I'll make my wings and then switch over.... but
> in the meantime I'll have a flying machine much sooner.
>
> gimme some feedback.
>
> DJ
> www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
>
> _
>
>
> This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for
> viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting
> provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit
> .
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: bought a GN-1 ! |
The rule is not 51%, The FARs state that more than half must be amateur built and
there can be any number of amateurs taking part.
I know, I know! Everyone uses the 51% number but it isn't in the FARs.
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or sportpilot@eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: bought a GN-1 !
Hey DJ,
Having built all the structure (which is the most fun part of building a plane
- that and fabric covering, in my opinion) in my Piet, I can tell you that doing
all the systems work and making everything fit is still plenty enough work
for you to be able to say "I built this airplane". At least, as long as the
FAA or DAR concur that you still did 51% of the work. Go for it.
Jack Phillips
Finally getting weather warm enough to spray some Poly Spray. It's been a long
winter.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 12:37 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: bought a GN-1 !
well... I did it again. I picked up another nearly finished GN-1. I did the
same thing back in April of 2002. On that one I pulled the control stick
assembly, some turnbuckles, and various other hardware and then sold the rest
for a little more than I paid for it.. I basically got parts for "free" that
way.
Anyways, I'm eating breakfast at the airport restaurant on Sunday and afterwards
I decided to take a drive on the ramp and around the hangars. The weather
was beautiful and a drive on the ramp checking out the planes seemed like a great
idea. As I near the hangars I am thinking to myself... "ya know... you never
see a Piet in a hangar with someone working on it" they're rare out here.
Well.. no sooner had I thought that I round a corner and much to my amazement
there is a craft sitting there looking very much like a Piet. I pull up to it
and and I'll be damned if it's not a GN-1! I get out and take a look and I
see a "for sale" sign on it. The gentleman who owns it comes out of his hangar
and we chat. He picked up the project last year and intended to finish it but
has now changed his mind. He never did much to it and it's still in the same
state is was when he bought it.
I look over the workmanship and I am impressed. Very nice work. Some areas
are kinda iffy, but overall you could tell a good craftsman had put his time into
it.
So now I'm thinking "I could sure use them wings!" Having those wings would
cut my building time down about 6-9 months. The wings are about 90% complete.
Just need leading and trailing edge aluminum and ailerons. They have the drag-anti
drag wires in place and it's trammeled and ready for final assembly.
The fuse contained a J-3 cowl, J-3 engine mount for A-65, J-3 Fuel tank, J-3
landing gear with cleveland brakes, Maule tailwheel, complete control stick assembly.
I'm interested but I'm guessing the guy is probably wanting about $4,000 for
it all. I ask him anyway..... he names a price I absolutley cannot refuse.
So.... on Wednesday I'm going to pick it up. He lives about 15 minutes away from
me so it ought to be simple to move over. I'm going to use the wings and J-3
Fuel tank and maybe some other misc items.. I'll probably sell the fuse/tail
feathers and remaining parts.
This has accelerated my project by almost a year. The only draw back and issue
I'm having a problem with is I will not have built my entire plane.... am
I "selling out" by doing this? I feel guilty that I'll be using someone elses
time/labor to get my maching in the air....so I'm thinking that I'll use these
new wings for now and then when I want a little project I'll make my wings
and then switch over.... but in the meantime I'll have a flying machine much sooner.
gimme some feedback.
DJ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
_
This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half
Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information
on an anti-virus email solution, visit .
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Max,
You can put me down for two.
Thanks for doing all the leg work. You are outstanding!
Chris Bobka
Minneapolis
----- Original Message -----
From: Andimaxd@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 7:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: bobka@compuserve.com
In a message dated 2/27/2004 7:49:48 PM Central Standard Time, bobka@compuserve.com
writes:
Max,
I would be sure that Rochester knows that in addition to it reading upside
down, that it has to show full when the cork is at the position farthest from
the indicator. This might not be readily obvious.
Also, you may wish to see if they would be willing to make these and offer
them up for sale through AS and S as there is a distinct market for them.
I would also let them know that the "normal" shortest gauge is no longer offered
by AS and S and they may wish to contact AS and S and find out why.
I will let you know if I want some after I check a few things.
Good work. I used to live in Coppell and Addision before that and always had
the instention of looking up Rochester. I think US Gauge is there too.
Chris Bobka
Chris,
The gauge reading backwards was the first concern I had (E for F etc..). My
solution for this was to simply turn the cylinder upside down.
AS&S would not even talk to me about trying to special order the 6" gauge that
they don' carry anymore, let alone take the initiative to pick up the phone
and ask about designing an inverted fuel gauge of the same type. I do not intend
to help AS&S increase sales due to this fact.
The people at Rochester have not been much more help. If the computer says it
cannot be done, these people now days just say "It can't be done" and except
it -- and move on to the next call and the next coffee break. There is no brain
power involved. It is scary to me; how does anything get accomplished in
this country anymore?
At this point, I have taken the initiative done all of the leg work/research
and will market the item myself. If Rochester doesn't come through, I will take
your suggestion and go visit with US Gauge.
Please feel free if you have any more question or concerns,
Max Davis
Arlington, TX. 817.516.1116
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Chris:
I visited with them again today and I should have the prototype by tomorrow
afternoon. I plan on mounting it in a tank and sending out some pictures. It
promises to be a really neat application, I was not going to go to Brodhead
this year, but I may have to now. I have committed to buying ten at a time.
Max
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: c/s fuel gauge |
Andy,
I don't need them immediately. It is ok to keep the order in your back pocket
to use if you need to get to the magic "ten".
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Andimaxd@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 8:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: c/s fuel gauge
Chris:
I visited with them again today and I should have the prototype by tomorrow afternoon.
I plan on mounting it in a tank and sending out some pictures. It
promises to be a really neat application, I was not going to go to Brodhead this
year, but I may have to now. I have committed to buying ten at a time.
Max
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: bought a GN-1 ! |
DJ,
Don't feel guilty. Building your own airplane is great, but flying your own airplane
is heaven! Get the Piet finished and in the air, then you can start the
next project.
Darrel
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 9:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: bought a GN-1 !
well... I did it again. I picked up another nearly finished GN-1. I did the
same thing back in April of 2002. On that one I pulled the control stick
assembly, some turnbuckles, and various other hardware and then sold the rest
for a little more than I paid for it.. I basically got parts for "free" that
way.
Anyways, I'm eating breakfast at the airport restaurant on Sunday and afterwards
I decided to take a drive on the ramp and around the hangars. The weather
was beautiful and a drive on the ramp checking out the planes seemed like a great
idea. As I near the hangars I am thinking to myself... "ya know... you never
see a Piet in a hangar with someone working on it" they're rare out here.
Well.. no sooner had I thought that I round a corner and much to my amazement
there is a craft sitting there looking very much like a Piet. I pull up to it
and and I'll be damned if it's not a GN-1! I get out and take a look and I
see a "for sale" sign on it. The gentleman who owns it comes out of his hangar
and we chat. He picked up the project last year and intended to finish it but
has now changed his mind. He never did much to it and it's still in the same
state is was when he bought it.
I look over the workmanship and I am impressed. Very nice work. Some areas
are kinda iffy, but overall you could tell a good craftsman had put his time into
it.
So now I'm thinking "I could sure use them wings!" Having those wings would
cut my building time down about 6-9 months. The wings are about 90% complete.
Just need leading and trailing edge aluminum and ailerons. They have the drag-anti
drag wires in place and it's trammeled and ready for final assembly.
The fuse contained a J-3 cowl, J-3 engine mount for A-65, J-3 Fuel tank, J-3
landing gear with cleveland brakes, Maule tailwheel, complete control stick assembly.
I'm interested but I'm guessing the guy is probably wanting about $4,000 for
it all. I ask him anyway..... he names a price I absolutley cannot refuse.
So.... on Wednesday I'm going to pick it up. He lives about 15 minutes away from
me so it ought to be simple to move over. I'm going to use the wings and J-3
Fuel tank and maybe some other misc items.. I'll probably sell the fuse/tail
feathers and remaining parts.
This has accelerated my project by almost a year. The only draw back and issue
I'm having a problem with is I will not have built my entire plane.... am
I "selling out" by doing this? I feel guilty that I'll be using someone elses
time/labor to get my maching in the air....so I'm thinking that I'll use these
new wings for now and then when I want a little project I'll make my wings
and then switch over.... but in the meantime I'll have a flying machine much sooner.
gimme some feedback.
DJ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
_
This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half
Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information
on an anti-virus email solution, visit .
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: bought a GN-1 ! |
<007a01c3fff5$0e552f80$f004fea9@new>
Who did start that one anyway?
The rule is not 51%, The FARs state that more than half must be amateur built
and there can be any number of amateurs taking part.
I know, I know! Everyone uses the 51% number but it isn't in the FARs.
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or sportpilot@eaa.org
Message 14
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
DNA: do not archive
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Lister,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
******************************************************************************
Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
-------
[This is an automated posting.]
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|