Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 04:43 AM - Subject: Fuel Gauge, Houston... we have a problem (rhartwig11@juno.com)
2. 05:25 AM - Re: Fuel Gauge, Houston... we have a problem (Andimaxd@aol.com)
3. 07:30 AM - Re: Fuel Gauge, Houston... we have a problem (Christian Bobka)
4. 12:05 PM - Re: Fuel Gauge, Houston... we have a problem (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
5. 04:57 PM - tail wheel springs/chains (DJ Vegh)
6. 07:24 PM - Re: tail wheel springs/chains (Catdesign)
7. 07:52 PM - Re: tail wheel springs/chains (Rcaprd@aol.com)
8. 08:55 PM - Fuel Gauge, Houston... we have a problem (Christian Bobka)
9. 09:10 PM - Re: tail wheel springs/chains (DJ Vegh)
10. 09:14 PM - Re: tail wheel springs/chains (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
11. 09:48 PM - Re: Fuel Gauge, Houston... we have a problem (Christian Bobka)
Message 1
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | Fuel Gauge, Houston... we have a problem |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com
I guess I'm back to using Bill Rewey's idea--a Cub type float-and-wire on
the gas cap and a mirror that I can hold up to see it.
Dick Hartwig
>Rochester gauges of Dallas made a sample of the inverted center section
fuel
>gauge for me and it looks, and will work, great! That was the good
news. The
>bad news is that they said it would not pass tooling, and it would not
pass
>quality...
Message 2
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | Re: Fuel Gauge, Houston... we have a problem |
In a message dated 3/6/2004 10:10:55 PM Central Standard Time,
wbeevans@verizon.net writes:
> Max,
> Did they know it was for an airplane? Maybe thats where they got cold
> feet. Something for a plane sends up red liability flags.
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
Hi Walt:
No, I maintained that it was for an "off road" vehicle (way off the road)
with an overhead fuel tank, all the way through to the bitter end! I already had
concerns about that.
Max
Do not archive
Message 3
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | Re: Fuel Gauge, Houston... we have a problem |
Max,
You are great.
Chris Bobka
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Andimaxd@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 8:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel Gauge, Houston... we have a problem
Group:
I hope you all are experiencing the same weather that Jim Markle and myself are
in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area of Texas, and are outside flying.
Rochester gauges of Dallas made a sample of the inverted center section fuel
gauge for me and it looks, and will work, great! That was the good news. The
bad news is that they said it would not pass tooling, and it would not pass quality...I've
said more than my share of curse words this week. At this point,
they will not make them for me, stating, that they cannot mass produce this
item and get the quality that they demand at the same time. I suggested that
maybe they could sell them to me as a novelty or paper weight, to no avail.
I showed it to Jim Markle and he also said it looks great. I have some pictures
and even a clip I could send you, if you want to be as disgusted as we are.
I truly think that in the event of an accident, this is an item that can keep
an airplane from burning up, a person from getting burned or in the extreme,
save someone's life.
I am now looking at the possibility of producing the gauge, as well as marketing
it, myself, to the homebuilding community.
I am sorry for getting everyone excited about this, I did not understand, when
the computer says it can't be done, the production engineers agree.
Sorry guys, I'll keep you posted.
Max Davis
Arlington, TX.
Message 4
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | Re: Fuel Gauge, Houston... we have a problem |
Thats too bad. It sounds like someone there got wind that this product might
actually save a life sometime....and then started thinking about the "what if
it doesn't" scenario and got scared off of it. So rather than promoting
safety, its getting squashed. This liability issue with airplanes is so screwed
up
in our sue-greedy world...... it just makes me sick sometimes.
Terry B
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Message 5
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | tail wheel springs/chains |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Message 6
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | Re: tail wheel springs/chains |
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 4:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: tail wheel springs/chains
Could some of you send me some pics or links to pics of your tail wheel control
connections?
I'm not totally pleased with the GN-1's method of tail wheel control. It says
to use some .090 steel arms bolted to the rudder and then connected to the tailwheel
via springs and chains. The angle is steep up to the metal arms from
the tail wheel. I tried a "taxi" test today in which my girlfriend pulled the
plane from the engine mount while I steered from the cockpit. Within 5 seconds
I managed to bend down one of the arms. The angle is just too much and any
good amount of pedal force just bends the arm down.
I'd like to see how the rest of you are doing it. I was thinking of ditching
the rudder arm thing and just running separate cables from the tailwheel directly
to the rudder cables inside the fuse... then the pedals directly control the
tailwheel
What about you Mike C. ? how is yours done?
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
-
Message 7
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | Re: tail wheel springs/chains |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 3/7/04 6:57:38 PM Central Standard Time, djv@imagedv.com
writes:
<< Could some of you send me some pics or links to pics of your tail wheel
control connections? >>
DJ,
I don't like the thought of tailwheel nicopress on primary flight control
cables, so the way I did my cables, was to nicopress the cable / thimble
right to the springs, and installed the springs through the holes in the tailwheel
horn, and run the 1/16" cable all the way up to the rudder bar. The springs
are lightweight type, that when you pull the ends, it compresses (as opposed
to stretching) the spring. I don't recall what you call that type of spring.
The cables penetrate the fabric on the bottom of the fuselage, pass through a
hole in a hardwood fairlead block (epoxied in at the station just ahead of the
tailpost) and almost a straight line up to through the rear cockpit. I ran
them through 24" lengths of nylon tubing in the rear cockpit, at about 1"
each side of the torque tube, and secured each of the nylon tubing to the floor,
in 3 places with Adel clamps. The cables / nylon tubing approximately align
with the height of the rudder bar, where they pass through the bulkhead between
the front and rear cockpit.
I attached the cables to the rudder bar at 3 1/2" R.B.L. (right butt
line), and 3 1/2" L.B.L. using fittings that I made up out of a 1" length of
tubing that had an I.D. of the O.D. of the rudder bar. I welded a pair of toungs
to the this 1" tube, then used a hack saw to cut a slit in the 1" tube, between
the toungs. Drill a hole in the toungs for a bolt, and it now acts as a
clamp on the rudder bar, as well as another hole for the cable / nicopress. I
attached everything up at the rudder bar, then did the final nicopress at the
spring in the back...no need for adjustment. It's light, simple, and has so far
worked flawlessly. I've got a leak in one of the master cylinders under the
front seat, and tomorrow I'll take some digital pictures of that area. The
pictures will also show the slick way I built my brake pedals / master
cylinders. There's a lot of stuff going on under that front seat !!
Chuck Gantzer
still working some squawks
Message 8
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | Fuel Gauge, Houston... we have a problem |
Andy,
If you are going to make them elsewhere, consider having them done in BRASS rather
than Aluminum as most would LOVE to shine them up BRIGHT ! Consider that
anybody with a modern Aluminum plane is going to go electronic gauge anyway, you
have a potential to capture the market for the more rustic aircraft with high
wings or biplane wings with a tank or tanks in them.
Also, it may be desireable if the card (the gizmo with the F and E letters on it)
has a more antique looking font on it. If you would like to change it to look
more '20s, let me know and I will see what I can do with people I know. We
would need the flat layout of what you have to start with.
Theoretically, if you changed the design just enough, you could have parts made
for different lengths and a top mount or a bottom mount. I have a gauge similar
to this that I used in my Taylorcraft although it was part of the gas cap.
The bottom line is that most people would want matching gauges. The parts could
also be assembled by the builder to keep the cost and liability down.
Make sure the float is compatible with ALL the fuels we use. Some might be using
regular oxygenated gasahol in whatever they are flying way out in the future.
A soldered brass float is always compatible.
BTW, ask Jim Markle about his sandblasting cabinet that he built from my plans!
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Andimaxd@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 8:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel Gauge, Houston... we have a problem
Group:
I hope you all are experiencing the same weather that Jim Markle and myself are
in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area of Texas, and are outside flying.
Rochester gauges of Dallas made a sample of the inverted center section fuel
gauge for me and it looks, and will work, great! That was the good news. The
bad news is that they said it would not pass tooling, and it would not pass quality...I've
said more than my share of curse words this week. At this point,
they will not make them for me, stating, that they cannot mass produce this
item and get the quality that they demand at the same time. I suggested that
maybe they could sell them to me as a novelty or paper weight, to no avail.
I showed it to Jim Markle and he also said it looks great. I have some pictures
and even a clip I could send you, if you want to be as disgusted as we are.
I truly think that in the event of an accident, this is an item that can keep
an airplane from burning up, a person from getting burned or in the extreme,
save someone's life.
I am now looking at the possibility of producing the gauge, as well as marketing
it, myself, to the homebuilding community.
I am sorry for getting everyone excited about this, I did not understand, when
the computer says it can't be done, the production engineers agree.
Sorry guys, I'll keep you posted.
Max Davis
Arlington, TX.
Message 9
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | Re: tail wheel springs/chains |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
thanks! a good idea which I will consider.
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
-
----- Original Message -----
From: <Rcaprd@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail wheel springs/chains
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 3/7/04 6:57:38 PM Central Standard Time,
djv@imagedv.com
> writes:
>
> << Could some of you send me some pics or links to pics of your tail wheel
> control connections? >>
>
> DJ,
> I don't like the thought of tailwheel nicopress on primary flight
control
> cables, so the way I did my cables, was to nicopress the cable / thimble
> right to the springs, and installed the springs through the holes in the
tailwheel
> horn, and run the 1/16" cable all the way up to the rudder bar. The
springs
> are lightweight type, that when you pull the ends, it compresses (as
opposed
> to stretching) the spring. I don't recall what you call that type of
spring.
> The cables penetrate the fabric on the bottom of the fuselage, pass
through a
> hole in a hardwood fairlead block (epoxied in at the station just ahead of
the
> tailpost) and almost a straight line up to through the rear cockpit. I
ran
> them through 24" lengths of nylon tubing in the rear cockpit, at about 1"
> each side of the torque tube, and secured each of the nylon tubing to the
floor,
> in 3 places with Adel clamps. The cables / nylon tubing approximately
align
> with the height of the rudder bar, where they pass through the bulkhead
between
> the front and rear cockpit.
> I attached the cables to the rudder bar at 3 1/2" R.B.L. (right butt
> line), and 3 1/2" L.B.L. using fittings that I made up out of a 1" length
of
> tubing that had an I.D. of the O.D. of the rudder bar. I welded a pair of
toungs
> to the this 1" tube, then used a hack saw to cut a slit in the 1" tube,
between
> the toungs. Drill a hole in the toungs for a bolt, and it now acts as a
> clamp on the rudder bar, as well as another hole for the cable /
nicopress. I
> attached everything up at the rudder bar, then did the final nicopress at
the
> spring in the back...no need for adjustment. It's light, simple, and has
so far
> worked flawlessly. I've got a leak in one of the master cylinders under
the
> front seat, and tomorrow I'll take some digital pictures of that area.
The
> pictures will also show the slick way I built my brake pedals / master
> cylinders. There's a lot of stuff going on under that front seat !!
>
> Chuck Gantzer
> still working some squawks
>
>
Message 10
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | Re: tail wheel springs/chains |
I saw Chuck's installation and I like it a lot. I plan to do the same.
Terry B.
Message 11
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | Re: Fuel Gauge, Houston... we have a problem |
I meant Max, not Andy, as in Andimaxd.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Christian Bobka
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel Gauge, Houston... we have a problem
Andy,
If you are going to make them elsewhere, consider having them done in BRASS rather
than Aluminum as most would LOVE to shine them up BRIGHT ! Consider that
anybody with a modern Aluminum plane is going to go electronic gauge anyway,
you have a potential to capture the market for the more rustic aircraft with
high wings or biplane wings with a tank or tanks in them.
Also, it may be desireable if the card (the gizmo with the F and E letters on
it) has a more antique looking font on it. If you would like to change it to
look more '20s, let me know and I will see what I can do with people I know.
We would need the flat layout of what you have to start with.
Theoretically, if you changed the design just enough, you could have parts made
for different lengths and a top mount or a bottom mount. I have a gauge similar
to this that I used in my Taylorcraft although it was part of the gas cap.
The bottom line is that most people would want matching gauges. The parts
could also be assembled by the builder to keep the cost and liability down.
Make sure the float is compatible with ALL the fuels we use. Some might be using
regular oxygenated gasahol in whatever they are flying way out in the future.
A soldered brass float is always compatible.
BTW, ask Jim Markle about his sandblasting cabinet that he built from my plans!
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Andimaxd@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 8:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel Gauge, Houston... we have a problem
Group:
I hope you all are experiencing the same weather that Jim Markle and myself
are in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area of Texas, and are outside flying.
Rochester gauges of Dallas made a sample of the inverted center section fuel
gauge for me and it looks, and will work, great! That was the good news. The
bad news is that they said it would not pass tooling, and it would not pass
quality...I've said more than my share of curse words this week. At this point,
they will not make them for me, stating, that they cannot mass produce this
item and get the quality that they demand at the same time. I suggested that
maybe they could sell them to me as a novelty or paper weight, to no avail.
I showed it to Jim Markle and he also said it looks great. I have some pictures
and even a clip I could send you, if you want to be as disgusted as we are.
I truly think that in the event of an accident, this is an item that can
keep an airplane from burning up, a person from getting burned or in the extreme,
save someone's life.
I am now looking at the possibility of producing the gauge, as well as marketing
it, myself, to the homebuilding community.
I am sorry for getting everyone excited about this, I did not understand, when
the computer says it can't be done, the production engineers agree.
Sorry guys, I'll keep you posted.
Max Davis
Arlington, TX.
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|