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1. 05:17 AM - Re: tail wheel springs/chains (del magsam)
2. 06:05 AM - wing construction (Jeff Hill)
3. 06:50 AM - Re: tail wheel springs/chains (Michael D Cuy)
4. 07:23 AM - Re: wing construction (Cy Galley)
5. 07:35 AM - Re: wing construction (DJ Vegh)
6. 01:31 PM - Re: Re: wing construction ()
7. 07:02 PM - Re: wing construction (dave rowe)
8. 07:05 PM - Re: wing construction (dave rowe)
9. 08:08 PM - Brodhead 2004 (Jeff Hill)
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel springs/chains |
The sonex setup is one that you should seriously consider, the small wheel is all
that you need even in grass, and it puts a ton less pressure on control arms
etc. its light weight and the direct connection without springs is clean, and
works way better than any spring system.
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=157
Catdesign <catdesign@intergate.com> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh
Subject: Pietenpol-List: tail wheel springs/chains
Could some of you send me some pics or links to pics of your tail wheel control
connections?
I'm not totally pleased with the GN-1's method of tail wheel control. It says to
use some .090 steel arms bolted to the rudder and then connected to the tailwheel
via springs and chains. The angle is steep up to the metal arms from the
tail wheel. I tried a "taxi" test today in which my girlfriend pulled the
plane from the engine mount while I steered from the cockpit. Within 5 seconds
I managed to bend down one of the arms. The angle is just too much and any
good amount of pedal force just bends the arm down.
I'd like to see how the rest of you are doing it. I was thinking of ditching the
rudder arm thing and just running separate cables from the tailwheel directly
to the rudder cables inside the fuse... then the pedals directly control the
tailwheel
What about you Mike C. ? how is yours done?
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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Del-New Richmond, Wi
"farmerdel@rocketmail.com"
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| Subject: | wing construction |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jeff Hill" <jeff2dogs@hotmail.com>
Hey guys, I've got a question. Does it matter if the leading edge is
attached to the wing ribs before the drag/anti-drag wires are attached and
tightened?. I personally don't think it's a factor but the questioned was
raised.
Jeff in Texas getting the bbq out
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| Subject: | Re: tail wheel springs/chains |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
DJ-- I simply spliced another 3/32" diam. cable to the rudder cables behind
the rear seat for the tailwheel steering control. Then I ran those past
two nylon pullies that I bolted in just before the cables exit the fuselage
bottom. Works fine.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: wing construction |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Wing should be trammeled before the leading edge goes on. This means that
you need to have installed the drag-antidrag wires so to straighten it all
up first.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or sportpilot@eaa.org
Always looking for articles for Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Hill" <jeff2dogs@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing construction
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jeff Hill" <jeff2dogs@hotmail.com>
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> Hey guys, I've got a question. Does it matter if the leading edge is
> attached to the wing ribs before the drag/anti-drag wires are attached and
> tightened?. I personally don't think it's a factor but the questioned was
> raised.
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> Jeff in Texas getting the bbq out
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| Subject: | Re: wing construction |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
I would think you'd want the drag-antidrag wires installed and trammeled
first. The wing will need to move a little when trammeling and if the
leading edge is secured to the ribs it may bind up a little, but I have not
built any wings so my advice may be worth nothing.
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Hill" <jeff2dogs@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing construction
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jeff Hill" <jeff2dogs@hotmail.com>
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> Hey guys, I've got a question. Does it matter if the leading edge is
> attached to the wing ribs before the drag/anti-drag wires are attached and
> tightened?. I personally don't think it's a factor but the questioned was
> raised.
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> Jeff in Texas getting the bbq out
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> _________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: wing construction |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
DJ, you and Cy Galley are both absolutely correct. The wing must be free to move
when trammeling, otherwise, since the leading edge is not in the plane of the
drag/anti-drag wires, any forces put on the wing when tensioning the wires
will be resisted by the ribs and leading edge, forcing out-of-plane twists in
the wing. For the same reason you certainly don't want the plywood skin on the
leading edge before trammeling. It's also not a terribly good idea to glue
the ribs to the spars, at least not before tramelling the wing
Once the wing is tramelled and square, then attaching the leading edge and the
plywood adds a little rigidity to help hold it that way.
Jack Phillips
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> From: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
> Date: 2004/03/08 Mon AM 10:33:20 EST
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wing construction
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> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
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> I would think you'd want the drag-antidrag wires installed and trammeled
> first. The wing will need to move a little when trammeling and if the
> leading edge is secured to the ribs it may bind up a little, but I have not
> built any wings so my advice may be worth nothing.
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> DJ Vegh
> N74DV
> Mesa, AZ
> www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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> From: "Jeff Hill" <jeff2dogs@hotmail.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 7:05 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing construction
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> > Jeff in Texas getting the bbq out
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| Subject: | Re: wing construction |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
I would think if the wing is jigged up true, the leading edge should go
on first. It is my impression that the wires take loads due to
different angles of attack, etc, and are not meant to be a means of
forcing a crooked wing straight. I think. Maybe . . .
Jeff Hill wrote:
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> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jeff Hill" <jeff2dogs@hotmail.com>
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> Hey guys, I've got a question. Does it matter if the leading edge is
> attached to the wing ribs before the drag/anti-drag wires are attached and
> tightened?. I personally don't think it's a factor but the questioned was
> raised.
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> Jeff in Texas getting the bbq out
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> _________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: wing construction |
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
Curious, i did the opposite, but the wing was in a jig and completely
squared up prior to LE and skins.
Cy Galley wrote:
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> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
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> Wing should be trammeled before the leading edge goes on. This means that
> you need to have installed the drag-antidrag wires so to straighten it all
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> Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
> Editor, EAA Safety Programs
> cgalley@qcbc.org or sportpilot@eaa.org
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> Always looking for articles for Sport Pilot
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Hill" <jeff2dogs@hotmail.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 8:05 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing construction
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> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jeff Hill" <jeff2dogs@hotmail.com>
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> > Hey guys, I've got a question. Does it matter if the leading edge is
> > attached to the wing ribs before the drag/anti-drag wires are attached and
> > tightened?. I personally don't think it's a factor but the questioned was
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> > Jeff in Texas getting the bbq out
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jeff Hill" <jeff2dogs@hotmail.com>
Hey guys, what are the dates for the 75th Anniversary this year at Brodhead?
I haven't seen them posted in the Pietenpol Association newsletter. Also,
What is on the agenda as of yet?
Jeff in Texas
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