---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/09/04: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:42 AM - Re: Brodhead 2004 (Gadd, Skip) 2. 08:09 AM - Aircamper on Ebay (DJ Vegh) 3. 10:37 AM - Pietenpol Down (but not out) (Steve Eldredge) 4. 11:06 AM - Re: Pietenpol Down (but not out) (DJ Vegh) 5. 11:20 AM - Re: Pietenpol Down (but not out) (bike.mike) 6. 11:38 AM - Re: Pietenpol Down (but not out) (Michael D Cuy) 7. 12:15 PM - Re: Pietenpol Down (but not out) (walt evans) 8. 12:37 PM - the new guy.... (brian johnson) 9. 12:50 PM - Re: Pietenpol Down (but not out) (Steve Eldredge) 10. 01:03 PM - Re: the new guy.... GN-1 vs. Piet (DJ Vegh) 11. 02:56 PM - Re: the new guy.... (walt evans) 12. 06:59 PM - Re: Pietenpol Down (but not out) (John Dilatush) 13. 08:01 PM - aluminum control horns and such (tmbrant1@netzero.net) 14. 08:06 PM - tail sections (tmbrant1@netzero.net) 15. 09:08 PM - Re: aluminum control horns and such (DJ Vegh) 16. 09:11 PM - Re: tail sections (DJ Vegh) 17. 11:52 PM - Re: Pietenpol Down (but not out) (Rcaprd@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:05 AM PST US From: "Gadd, Skip" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2004 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gadd, Skip" Jeff, The Piet flyin at Brodhead is Friday July 23 to Sunday July 25. The agenda is casual, they will have a couple forums and 4 or 5 meals. Bring tape measure, notepad, camera and pictures of your project. Skip >Hey guys, what are the dates for the 75th Anniversary this year at Brodhead? >I haven't seen them posted in the Pietenpol Association newsletter. Also, >What is on the agenda as of yet? >Jeff in Texas ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:53 AM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aircamper on Ebay I put the new GN-1 I bought last week on ebay. If any of you know someone who may be interested here's the link http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2465501291 DJ _ = This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit . ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Down (but not out) From: "Steve Eldredge" Saturday, My brother went flying on the first warm day.... Hard landing. RH gear failed and collapsed. Minor wing tip scrapage, prop is kindling. No injuries. Steve (Back to piet building again) E ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:06:41 AM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Down (but not out) Steve, what a total bummer......where exactly did the gear leg fail? Can you snap some pics of the failed area? Thank God it wasn't worse! DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Eldredge Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Down (but not out) Saturday, My brother went flying on the first warm day.. Hard landing. RH gear failed and collapsed. Minor wing tip scrapage, prop is kindling. No injuries. Steve (Back to piet building again) E = This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit . ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:20:45 AM PST US From: "bike.mike" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Down (but not out) Steve, I'm tickled about the no injuries part, a tribute to sound construction and a good design, but ouch! Did the gear fail in the steel or the wood? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Eldredge To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Down (but not out) Saturday, My brother went flying on the first warm day.. Hard landing. RH gear failed and collapsed. Minor wing tip scrapage, prop is kindling. No injuries. Steve (Back to piet building again) E ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:38:45 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Down (but not out) du> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Steve-- don't let your brother do any more landings:) Kidding-- I'm very glad to hear that you both are ok. That plane has the historic Utah-to-Oshkosh-And-Return trip under it's belt. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:23 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Down (but not out) Steve, Sorry to hear of the setback. That everyone os OK is the main thing. It's only an airplane. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Eldredge To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 1:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Down (but not out) Saturday, My brother went flying on the first warm day.. Hard landing. RH gear failed and collapsed. Minor wing tip scrapage, prop is kindling. No injuries. Steve (Back to piet building again) E ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:03 PM PST US From: brian johnson Subject: Pietenpol-List: the new guy.... I have been following the posts here for a short while now while I get situated in my shop to build a Piet. I have only heard great things about the plane and great things about building them. My particular reason for building a Piet is that from day one the plane gave me a real feel for a nastalgic, old airplane and gives me the feeling that I am stepping into the shoes of the early flying pioneers. I have alot to learn as I get ready to build but the first thing that has caught my attention is the multiple models of the Pietenpol. Would someone please tell me what the GN-1 Aircamper is in regards to the simple Aircamper? Thanks to all for the help and also all the other information I have been getting from this group. Brian (Michgan) --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:50:30 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Down (but not out) From: "Steve Eldredge" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" All- I'll post some more details when I get time to update my site. I was home sewing the interior for the Stinson when it happened. I got a call from my bro stating that "the landing gear has had some trouble"... I got there about 10 minutes later and they had pushed it off the runway. He must have hit pretty hard. He did have a passenger with added to the impact load. It appears from the runway marks and the damage that the bungee strut to fuse connection failed in tension. The weld broke and metal was torn. At that point their was nothing left to hold up the right side of the airplane and the gear "V" tore away from the lugs at the welds somewhere during the 180. Prop and wing tip damage following suit. I'll be carving new prop and repairing the gear as quickly as possible since the weather is just starting to get good. I'll be there for Brodhead and the 75th in the piet. Making the trip with new piet hats to commemorate!! Steve E. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Cuy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Down (but not out) --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Steve-- don't let your brother do any more landings:) Kidding-- I'm very glad to hear that you both are ok. That plane has the historic Utah-to-Oshkosh-And-Return trip under it's belt. Mike C. == == == == ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:39 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the new guy.... GN-1 vs. Piet go here Brian: http://www.gregagn-1.com/faq.php it'll explain a little about the differences between GN-1 and a real Piet. DJ Vegh www.imagedv.com/aircamper ----- Original Message ----- From: brian johnson Subject: Pietenpol-List: the new guy.... I have been following the posts here for a short while now while I get situated in my shop to build a Piet. I have only heard great things about the plane and great things about building them. My particular reason for building a Piet is that from day one the plane gave me a real feel for a nastalgic, old airplane and gives me the feeling that I am stepping into the shoes of the early flying pioneers. I have alot to learn as I get ready to build but the first thing that has caught my attention is the multiple models of the Pietenpol. Would someone please tell me what the GN-1 Aircamper is in regards to the simple Aircamper? Thanks to all for the help and also all the other information I have been getting from this group. Brian (Michgan) = This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit . ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:46 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: the new guy.... Brian, Welcome! In a way I envy you starting a Piet. Either one you decide to build will be a blast. I built the original long fuselage with prints from Don Pietenpol, with a Cont. A65, And was very pleased with the building process. In the big picture of it all, the main thing is not what you build, but that you did build it. You can always relate to another who built a wood and fabric airplane,,,and flew it! walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: brian johnson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 3:34 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: the new guy.... I have been following the posts here for a short while now while I get situated in my shop to build a Piet. I have only heard great things about the plane and great things about building them. My particular reason for building a Piet is that from day one the plane gave me a real feel for a nastalgic, old airplane and gives me the feeling that I am stepping into the shoes of the early flying pioneers. I have alot to learn as I get ready to build but the first thing that has caught my attention is the multiple models of the Pietenpol. Would someone please tell me what the GN-1 Aircamper is in regards to the simple Aircamper? Thanks to all for the help and also all the other information I have been getting from this group. Brian (Michgan) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:34 PM PST US From: "John Dilatush" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Down (but not out) ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Eldredge To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 11:34 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Down (but not out) Steve, Sorry to hear of the mishap. Get it repaired and we'll fly to Brodhead together! John Saturday, My brother went flying on the first warm day.. Hard landing. RH gear failed and collapsed. Minor wing tip scrapage, prop is kindling. No injuries. Steve (Back to piet building again) E ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: aluminum control horns and such From: tmbrant1@netzero.net --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: tmbrant1@netzero.net Anyone use something like 1/4" solid alum. control fittings? I was thinking this could be done - laser out the shapes and weld on the attachment sections... Dunno - any opinions? Tom Brant ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: tail sections From: tmbrant1@netzero.net --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: tmbrant1@netzero.net The wood I used for the fuselage was 1" rough sawn spruce I got from Mckormicks lumber.. When planed, I ended up with 7/8" think boards. For the tail sections I used 1" thk. by 7/8" wide members where 1" sq. members were req'd. Anyone think this will be problem? I know I probably should have checked this before I started but as I saw it, it shouldn't be a problem. I am planning to add 1/8" thk. ply plates to the insided where the hinges mount to the main beams (making them 1" thk. at that point). Just having some second thoughts... I hate deviating from the plans, even a little. Tom Brant ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:26 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: aluminum control horns and such --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" I see no reason why not. The entire Fisher line of aircraft use 1/8" aluminum control horns. I say go for it.... whats nice about aluminum is standard wood working tools can be used in the fabrication process. DJ Vegh N74DV Mesa, AZ www.imagedv.com/aircamper - ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: aluminum control horns and such > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: tmbrant1@netzero.net > > > Anyone use something like 1/4" solid alum. control fittings? I was thinking this could be done - laser out the shapes and weld on the attachment sections... Dunno - any opinions? > > Tom Brant > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:51 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail sections --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" I think you'll be fine so long as the grain tightness of the wood is up to par. Just for point of reference, my dad's Fisher Celebrity has wood longerons made from 3/4 x 7/8, the uprights and diagonals are 1/2 x 3/4", it doesn't have a plywood bottom past the aft seat and it's stressed to +4 -2 G's with a gross of 1230lb. DJ Vegh N74DV Mesa, AZ www.imagedv.com/aircamper - ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: tail sections > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: tmbrant1@netzero.net > > > The wood I used for the fuselage was 1" rough sawn spruce I got from Mckormicks lumber.. When planed, I ended up with 7/8" think boards. For the tail sections I used 1" thk. by 7/8" wide members where 1" sq. members were req'd. Anyone think this will be problem? I know I probably should have checked this before I started but as I saw it, it shouldn't be a problem. I am planning to add 1/8" thk. ply plates to the insided where the hinges mount to the main beams (making them 1" thk. at that point). > > Just having some second thoughts... I hate deviating from the plans, even a little. > > Tom Brant > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:39 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Down (but not out) --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com Steve, Sorry to hear about your plane. Thank God it wasn't any worse. I'll bet Andrew feels terrible about it, and will help a lot with the repairs. It's really good to hear you plan on getting 'er back in the air as soon as possible, and making Brodhead this year !! Prop strikes require engine disassemby, inspection, and N.D.I. the crank...that's the tough part. Chuck G. put me down for 3 hats