---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/15/04: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:01 AM - Re: data plate (Peter W Johnson) 2. 04:04 AM - Re: Re: Antique Instruments (Peter W Johnson) 3. 05:28 AM - Re: Bushings (Carbarvo@aol.com) 4. 05:56 AM - antique instruments (Oscar Zuniga) 5. 06:02 AM - dataplate (Oscar Zuniga) 6. 09:04 AM - Re: data plate (Leo Gates) 7. 10:24 AM - Re: data plate (Leo Gates) 8. 12:52 PM - Re: Request: Information for Kitplanes Article (Interiors/Exteriors) (Cory Emberson) 9. 01:40 PM - life insurance (LAWRENCE WILLIAMS) 10. 03:32 PM - Re: life insurance (Sid Miller) 11. 03:34 PM - Re: Request: Information for Kitplanes Article (Interiors/Exteriors) () 12. 03:39 PM - Re: Need a little help (Ted Brousseau) 13. 04:30 PM - Re: life insurance (Kip and Beth Gardner) 14. 06:28 PM - wings installed!!! (DJ Vegh) 15. 08:34 PM - Re: Need a little help (Rcaprd@aol.com) 16. 08:39 PM - Re: wings installed - weight (DJ Vegh) 17. 10:14 PM - Re: wings installed!!! (jimboyer@direcway.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:41 AM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: data plate Oscar Zuniga I think. Cheers Peter. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Navratil Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: data plate There was someone on the list who had a very nice plate made. I'm trying to find that one. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: walt evans Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: data plate Got mine from Aircraft Spruce. It's made out of stainless (CRES). If you don't have a catalog,,,it's free. Just go on their site and follow the free catalog thing. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Navratil Subject: Pietenpol-List: data plate Who was it that has data plates for sale? I need one. I ordered the plate from Wicks and installed it, this is the one that goes on the exterior near the tail. My check list from the FAA says aluminum is not acceptable for this plate. Also there is no space on that plate for the builders name. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:08 AM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Antique Instruments --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Peter W Johnson" Try http://www.stewartwarner.com/Catalog/2wng.html Cheers Peter -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dave rowe Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Antique Instruments --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe Someone sent a link for instruments a while back, and I'll be damned if I can find it. Could someone send any links for antique-looking isntruments. Thanks, Dave Rowe advertising on the Matronics Forums. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:36 AM PST US From: Carbarvo@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bushings In response to Dave in Missori: Although there have been many suggestions that motorcycle wheels have no ability to sustain side loads, there are also many examples of successful applications of them on Pietenpols. A notable example is Chad Wille (from Washington state I think) who uses a pair of British motorcycle wheels on his Scout. Before Chad used them, his father used the same wheels on his Piet. While it's true that a motorcycle is seldom in a position to sustain a side load, it would be difficult or at least improbable to build a wheel for production which had NO such capability. General statements aside, can anyone out there site chapter and verse on specific failures of motorcycle wheels as used on Pietenpol aircraft? I'd be very interested in the failure mode of the wheels. There are about four possibile failure points and I honestly do not see where fabricating your own 6" hubs buys much in the way of a guarantee against these failure modes. Carl Vought ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:55 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: antique instruments --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Here's a link to another instrument site besides the Bugs 'N' Buggies, which is also good: http://www.classicinstruments.net Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:48 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: dataplate --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" Dick; I'm the one who is offering brass dataplates (info at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/dataplate.html ) but they don't include space for the builder's name and aren't intended to meed the FAR requirements for the permanent data plate that is to be affixed to the airframe. They are intended more for installation in the cockpit, in front of the passenger on the "glove box", or similar, to impart that old-timey feel. But if you want one, shoot me your snail mail address offline and there will be one in the mail to you tomorrow. I had 100 of these plates made up and have only sold about 1/4 of them, so if anyone wants one, info is on that webpage. I won't make a living selling them but wouldn't mind recouping my investment. I plan to take them with me to any fly-in I might attend, such as Brodhead, Urbana, Sun 'n' Fun, etc. Oh, and to the person from Kitplanes who was asking about unique cockpits, William Wynne's instrument panel was carbon fiber and would have been of some interest just for that 'look'. I have a digital image of the panel, but it's very low quality since it was a scan of a photo. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net One-click access to Hotmail from any Web page download MSN Toolbar now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:55 AM PST US From: Leo Gates Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: data plate Oscar Zuniga: You can see a picture and get ordering information at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/dataplate.html and they are $10 postpaid to anyone in the known universe. Leo Gates Richard Navratil wrote: > There was someone on the list who had a very nice plate made. I'm > trying to find that one. > Dick > > - > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:28 AM PST US From: Leo Gates Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: data plate Oscar Zuniga: You can see a picture and get ordering information at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/dataplate.html and they are $10 postpaid to anyone in the known universe. Leo Gates Richard Navratil wrote: > There was someone on the list who had a very nice plate made. I'm > trying to find that one. > Dick > > - > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:36 PM PST US From: "Cory Emberson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Request: Information for Kitplanes Article (Interiors/Exteriors) Hi Greg, That is beautiful! How close are you to completion? Can you tell me a little more about how you designed and built that gorgeous interior? Can you tell me anything about the seats, etc. as well? Thanks so much!! (wolf-whistling :-) ) best, Cory ----- Original Message ----- From: gcardinal@mn.rr.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 9:33 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Request: Information for Kitplanes Article (Interiors/Exteriors) Cory, How about this for an interior. It is the instrument panel for the Air Camper Dale Johnson and I are building. The front cockpit panel features a veneer that is matched to the rear panel. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Cory Emberson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 5:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Request: Information for Kitplanes Article (Interiors/Exteriors) Hello! I am writing an article for Kitplanes magazine that will feature builders who have distinctive interiors and/or exteriors. My deadline is rather short, so if you could email me as soon as possible, hopefully by Tuesday, that will give me enough time to put it together. Here are some of the criteria I'm looking for: Interiors that are (one or any combination): 1. creative 2. inexpensive 3. very comfortable 4. lightweight 5. generally cool and different 6. distinctive in some way. Exteriors that are: 1.. stunningly attractive 2.. original design 3.. historically accurate 4.. distinctive in some way Other things to keep in mind: 1. How you came to design your interior/exterior (How you got your idea) 2. The reasons why you did it as you did 3. What benefits you had in mind 4. Any unexpected benefits (and/or pitfalls) there were 5. What you learned 6. How many hours you've flown with it (if completed) 7. How much of the work did you do yourself? 8. Did you have any professional assistance? How much? 9. The equipment and tools you used 10. How much time it took to build and install 11. The cost of building it. 12. Would you do it again the same way? Why? Here are the photo requirements for Kitplanes: Photos must be 300 dpi at a size large enough to use in the magazine, which is usually at least 3 x 3 inches. If an image is 300 dpi at 1 x 1 inch, it won't be big enough to do any good. Hard copy photos are good, too. Thanks so much - I really appreciate your help! best regards, Cory Emberson Hayward, CA [KHWD] 510.599.4409 cory@lightspeededit.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:40:36 PM PST US From: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" Subject: Pietenpol-List: life insurance Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:40:30 -0500 I'm running into some roadblocks and thought that others on the net might have traveled the same road and could offer some advice. I'm trying to get some term life insurance but flying the Piet seems a bit much for the various companies to deal with. To date I have had one flat-out refusal and one that said they would cover me but they would exclude ALL aviation-related pay-outs!! All this because I have a home-built airplane. What to do??? I'm definitely NOT interested in ways to circumvent the system, just experiences or names of homebuilt-friendly life insurance companies. Thanks- Larry ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:19 PM PST US From: "Sid Miller" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: life insurance Have you tried the EAA - ( www.eaa.org ) members have access to several insurance companys. I've not started building yet but I do belong just to be able to get discounts. Sid ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:51 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Request: Information for Kitplanes Article (Interiors/Exteriors) Cory, The veneer was glued onto birch plywood. Seat bottoms are also walnut veneer. Seat backs are hand wickered. Control column is walnut with maple inlay turned to the dimensions of a Waco ATO stick (I always wanted Waco stick time and this is as close as I'll probably get...) Primer and throttle knob are laminated and turned. Fuselage was moved into the paint shop last Saturday. Wings have been painted to completion. Tail feathers only need the blue trim. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Cory Emberson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 2:51 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Request: Information for Kitplanes Article (Interiors/Exteriors) Hi Greg, That is beautiful! How close are you to completion? Can you tell me a little more about how you designed and built that gorgeous interior? Can you tell me anything about the seats, etc. as well? Thanks so much!! (wolf-whistling :-) ) best, Cory ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:12 PM PST US From: "Ted Brousseau" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Need a little help Corky, How about a twist instead of push pull? I turn mine 90 degrees for full on to off. Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 6:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Need a little help Pieters, When I built 41CC one of the highest hurdles and time consuming projects was the fabrication and installation of the fuel plumbing particularly the cut off valve and remote control. I am at that stage again and would like as many solutions as you would feel free to share with me. I have an 18 gal fuse tank just rear of the fire wall. I need a on-off valve easy enough to operate with a push pull wire. Thanks Corky in La ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:06 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: life insurance --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Kip and Beth Gardner At 4:40 PM -0500 3/15/04, LAWRENCE WILLIAMS wrote: >I'm running into some roadblocks and thought that others on the net >might have traveled the same road and could offer some advice. > >I'm trying to get some term life insurance but flying the Piet seems >a bit much for the various companies to deal with. To date I have >had one flat-out refusal and one that said they would cover me but >they would exclude ALL aviation-related pay-outs!! All this because >I have a home-built airplane. What to do??? > >I'm definitely NOT interested in ways to circumvent the system, just >experiences or names of homebuilt-friendly life insurance companies. > >Thanks- > >Larry Larry, How old are you? They may just be using the Piet as an excuse for not wanting to insure you at a decent rate because of your age. I have an old medical condition that makes it very difficult for me to get additional insurance at a reasonable price, even though I had surgery to correct the condition years ago. Beyond that, I'm afraid I don't have any good advice beyond checking with EAA & seeing if they have any recommendations. Kip Gardner -- North Canton, OH ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:52 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Pietenpol-List: wings installed!!! 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I am at that stage again and would like as many solutions as you would feel free to share with me. I have an 18 gal fuse tank just rear of the fire wall. I need a on-off valve easy enough to operate with a push pull wire. Thanks Corky in La >> Corky, I'll e-mail you direct, with some digital pictures (still in the camara) of how I did mine. Might give you some ideas. Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:12 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wings installed - weight Zm9yZ290IHRvIG1lbnRpb24gdGhhdCB0aGUgd2VpZ2h0IGluIHRoZSBjb25maWd1cmF0aW9uIHlv dSBzZWUgaW4gdGhlIHBpY3Mgb24gbXkgc2l0ZSBjb21lcyB1cCB0byAzNjhsYi4NCg0KVGhhdCdz IGJhc2ljYWxseSB0aGUgZW50aXJlIGFpcmZyYW1lLCB0YWlsIGJyYWNlIHdpcmVzLCBydWRkZXIg JiBlbGV2YXRvciBjb250cm9scyBpbnN0YWxsZWQsIHdoZWVscywgYnJha2VzLCBhbHVtaW51bSBs aWZ0IHN0cnV0cywgY29ydmFpciBlbmdpbmUgbW91bnQuDQoNCkknbSBhbnRpY2lwYXRpbmcgYSBi YXNpYyBlbXB0eSB3ZWlnaHQgb2YgNzI1bGIuICsgb3IgLSAyNWxiLiAgQSBiaXQgaGlnaGVyIHRo YW4gbXkgcHJldmlvdXMgZXN0aW1hdGUgYnV0IHJpZ2h0IGluIGxpbmUgd2l0aCB3aGF0IGEgR04t MSBzaG91bGQgYmUuDQoNCkRKIFZlZ2gNCk43NERWDQpNZXNhLCBBWg0Kd3d3LmltYWdlZHYuY29t L2FpcmNhbXBlcg0KDQoNCg0KLQ0K ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:50 PM PST US From: jimboyer@direcway.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wings installed!!! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: jimboyer@direcway.com Wow DJ!!! It looks beautiful, congratulations. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: DJ Vegh Subject: Pietenpol-List: wings installed!!! > Need to share my excitement... I just spent the last 5 hours > making the lift struts and installing the wings. Not a tough job > just time consuming. > > I went with 1.2 degrees of dihedral and 0.4 of washout (which is > about 3/8" at the trailing edge at wing tip) My incidence at the > root is 1.8 degrees. > > Man... was it ever cool to have this thing parked in the driveway > with the wings on! > > lots of pics here > > http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/03-15-04.htm > > DJ Vegh > N74DV > Mesa, AZ > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > > > - >