Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:42 AM - Re: wings installed!!! (Larry Ragan)
2. 05:00 AM - Piet in the street (Michael D Cuy)
3. 06:17 AM - Re: wings installed!!! (John Dilatush)
4. 11:40 AM - Re: wings installed!!! (walt evans)
5. 12:20 PM - Re: wings installed!!! (DJ Vegh)
6. 12:49 PM - automotive seat belt retractor for should harness (DJ Vegh)
7. 01:50 PM - Mr. Calley (Isablcorky@aol.com)
8. 02:16 PM - Re: data plate (Christian Bobka)
9. 02:41 PM - Beginning to Build - Questions (Bruce __)
10. 03:15 PM - weather (walt evans)
11. 05:03 PM - The hardest part (Richard Navratil)
12. 07:38 PM - Re: Beginning to Build - Questions (DJ Vegh)
13. 07:40 PM - Re: wings installed!!! (At7000ft@aol.com)
14. 09:09 PM - Re: wings installed!!! (Rcaprd@aol.com)
15. 10:39 PM - Re: The hardest part (Catdesign)
16. 10:52 PM - Re: automotive seat belt retractor for should harness (Catdesign)
17. 11:07 PM - Re: automotive seat belt retractor for should harness (Christian Bobka)
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| Subject: | wings installed!!! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Larry Ragan" <lragan@hotmail.com>
Bet you're glad you bought that project now. It's looking good and was interesting
as to how you put your dihedral in. I've read of others who put 1 degree in
and said that it made a definite difference on the GN-1 stability. Would you
hurry up and finish? There are a bunch of us who've been following your work.
We're getting impatient.
Larry Ragan
Jacksonville, Fl.
lragan@hotmail.com
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| Subject: | Piet in the street |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
DJ-- looks fantastic ! (oh, by the way I do know that DJ has a GN-1 and
not a Pietenpol) Good for you. You have to be motivated
now. You've got an engine that has been rebuilt and test run to boot !!
PS-- reminds me of when I had the Piet out in the yard test fitting things
or running with the smoke on at full bore.......cars slow down, people look
at you like you are mostly a troubled individual. It was great:)
Mike C. in Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: wings installed!!! |
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 7:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wings installed!!!
DJ,
Wonderful pictures, your plane is a "work of art".
John
Need to share my excitement... I just spent the last 5 hours making the lift
struts and installing the wings. Not a tough job just time consuming.
I went with 1.2 degrees of dihedral and 0.4 of washout (which is about 3/8" at
the trailing edge at wing tip) My incidence at the root is 1.8 degrees.
Man... was it ever cool to have this thing parked in the driveway with the wings
on!
lots of pics here
http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/03-15-04.htm
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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| Subject: | Re: wings installed!!! |
DJ,
Pics are great! It IS a big step for a builder to see his project when it first
REALLY looks like a plane.
Have you considered putting in a cutout above the rear pit? I'm very glad I did.
It's the only way to see above you in flight. But then we have a very busy
sky diving operation here and you have to be looking all ways. 22 jumpers leaving
a plane at once pretty much fills up the sky.
Nice progress!!
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 9:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wings installed!!!
Need to share my excitement... I just spent the last 5 hours making the lift
struts and installing the wings. Not a tough job just time consuming.
I went with 1.2 degrees of dihedral and 0.4 of washout (which is about 3/8" at
the trailing edge at wing tip) My incidence at the root is 1.8 degrees.
Man... was it ever cool to have this thing parked in the driveway with the wings
on!
lots of pics here
http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/03-15-04.htm
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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| Subject: | Re: wings installed!!! |
I have a flop that hinges at the rear spar. I was thinking of making another one
and using 3/32" lexan to cover the top and bottom of it.. basically making
it transparent. Would help greatly in seeing other traffic while in steep turns.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans
DJ,
Have you considered putting in a cutout above the rear pit? I'm very glad I did.
It's the only way to see above you in flight. walt evans
NX140DL
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| Subject: | automotive seat belt retractor for should harness |
Why couldn't the shoulder harness strap be attached to an automobile seatbelt retractor
mounted in the aft fuse? This would allow freedom of movement yet still
keep you retained in an impact.
I see them on ebay for various cars for like $15
DJ
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Would Mr. Calley of Eaa technical get back to me direct. I have a few tech
questions for him. Thanks
Corky in beautiful La.
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Dick,
If you have a metal plate elsewhere on the aircraft, you can just handwrite with
a sharpie pen the stuff near the tail. Reread the regulation on aircraft markings,
Part 45.
Chris Bobka
A and P with IA
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Navratil
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 11:55 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: data plate
Who was it that has data plates for sale? I need one. I ordered the plate from
Wicks and installed it, this is the one that goes on the exterior near the
tail. My check list from the FAA says aluminum is not acceptable for this plate.
Also there is no space on that plate for the builders name.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Beginning to Build - Questions |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bruce __" <bruce___@hotmail.com>
Hi All,
Just a couple of quick questions from a beginning builder:
1. How much T-88 is needed to build the wing ribs and tail feathers?
2. Im ordering 90 degree mahogany plywood from Wicks for the 3/16 tail
feather gussets, and need to choose either 3-ply or 5-ply. The 3-ply is
lighter, but I assume the 5-ply is stronger. Im thinking that the 3-ply
will be plenty strong enough, and the weight savings in the tail will be of
greater importance. Am I correct in my assumptions?
Thanks,
Bruce
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This is a terrible setback, in the middle of a 9" snowfall.
walt evans
NX140DL
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| Subject: | The hardest part |
Somebody once said that the hardest part to build on a Piet, are the legs for the
straight gear. I'm finding now it's got to be all of this paperwork. I hate
paperwork. Re-writting the builders log and writing an Operations manual getting
a little frustrating.
Has anyone published a Operation s Manual for the Piet?
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: Beginning to Build - Questions |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
I got the quart kit of T-88 and it lasted me through the entire tail section
and wing ribs. It goes a long way.
As for ply... I say go with the 3 ply. 5 ply is overkill.
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce __" <bruce___@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Beginning to Build - Questions
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bruce __" <bruce___@hotmail.com>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Just a couple of quick questions from a beginning builder:
>
> 1. How much T-88 is needed to build the wing ribs and tail feathers?
>
> 2. I'm ordering 90 degree mahogany plywood from Wicks for the 3/16 tail
> feather gussets, and need to choose either 3-ply or 5-ply. The 3-ply is
> lighter, but I assume the 5-ply is stronger. I'm thinking that the 3-ply
> will be plenty strong enough, and the weight savings in the tail will be
of
> greater importance. Am I correct in my assumptions?
>
> Thanks,
> Bruce
>
> _________________________________________________________________
available.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wings installed!!! |
DJ
Your GN-1 looks great but I would have to say that the Z looks almost as
good, like that blue color too.
RH
Need to share my excitement... I just spent the last 5 hours making the lift
struts and installing the wings. Not a tough job just time consuming.
I went with 1.2 degrees of dihedral and 0.4 of washout (which is about 3/8"
at the trailing edge at wing tip) My incidence at the root is 1.8 degrees.
Man... was it ever cool to have this thing parked in the driveway with the
wings on!
lots of pics here
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| Subject: | Re: wings installed!!! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
DJ,
Ah yessss !! Another milestone reached. Really feels great, huh ?
Congratulations !!
Chuck G.
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| Subject: | Re: The hardest part |
Why are you rewriting your builder log??? As I read it should not matter what
it looks like as the Regs are not specific as to what a log is. If a bunch of
pictures and a few written descriptions wont suffice I'm in deep trouble.
Chris T.
Sacramento, Ca
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----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Navratil
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 5:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The hardest part
Somebody once said that the hardest part to build on a Piet, are the legs for
the straight gear. I'm finding now it's got to be all of this paperwork. I
hate paperwork. Re-writting the builders log and writing an Operations manual
getting a little frustrating.
Has anyone published a Operation s Manual for the Piet?
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: automotive seat belt retractor for should harness |
The same thing was suggested to me by one of the engineers at work. He did add
that the tighter the seatbelt is the better off you are in a crash. He is a
avid car buff who races on week ends and is very knowledgeable on stuff like this.
He also suggested putting in a single shoulder harness in the front seat. He said
that a single harness is ok to have mounted below the shoulder because in
a crash you body is able to twist instead of being compressed downward. Not quite
as safe as a 4 point harness but it might be a workable light weight solution.
Anyone have an opinion on this?
Chris T.
Sacramento, Ca
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 12:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: automotive seat belt retractor for should harness
Why couldn't the shoulder harness strap be attached to an automobile seatbelt
retractor mounted in the aft fuse? This would allow freedom of movement yet
still keep you retained in an impact.
I see them on ebay for various cars for like $15
DJ
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| Subject: | Re: automotive seat belt retractor for should harness |
Dick,
First thing I need you and everybody else to do is to change my email
address in your address book(s) to :
sbobka@charter.net
I am closing out the compuserve account.
Answers to your (old) questions are inserted below.
Chris
> Chris,
> I am a little confused (make that very confused as to the pulleys I
> should be ordering for my Pietenpol.
> *Elevator--I am using 1/8" cable from stick to bell crank and 3/32
> for bell crank to elevator. On the torque tube should I use larger
> pulley on the "up" cable where the cable deflects about 110 degrees. The
> plans show 2" pulleys. AS&S catalog says they are only good for 15
> degree cable deflection. I have one (2") MS24566-3B--is that OK for
> the "down" cable where there is less deflection? or should I be using
> the MS20220 pulleys?
It is always best to use the largest pulley possible. Too small a pulley
will cause the cable to fail. There is an AD on the Luscombe because they
did not use big enough pulleys, nor did they leave enough room for bigger
ones. You would be better off with 3/32" cable over the smaller pulley if
that is all you can fit. 3/32" is fine for what we are doing and that area
is very accessible during each preflight inspection. My Aeronca 50-C prewar
Chief uses 3/32" throughout. 3/32 is about 1/2 the weight of 1/8".
Galvanized is superior to Stainless as it is more flexible and is stronger.
> *Aileron cables--they deflect more than 15 degrees at each pulley,
> but the plans show 2" pulleys for 1/8" cable. Is there a reason for
> using the 1/8"+ pulleys for the 3/32 cable? I will be using 3/32 cable
> for the ailerons. What pulley specification and diameter are you using?
> I checked the Archives and could not find good info. Respond on
> the Pietenpol List if you feel this question and the answer should go
> there.
I don't quite understand the question but I would use a 2" min diameter
pulley with a 3/32" cable.
> Dick Hartwig
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