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1. 03:05 AM - Wire/turnbuckles (Richard Carden)
2. 07:39 AM - paperwork (Richard Navratil)
3. 08:00 AM - Re: paperwork (Christian Bobka)
4. 08:03 AM - Re: paperwork (DJ Vegh)
5. 08:41 AM - Re: paperwork (Gary Gower)
6. 09:04 AM - Re: Wire/turnbuckles (Richard Navratil)
7. 09:38 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 29 Msgs - 03/18/04 (ANNCARLEK@aol.com)
8. 02:33 PM - 4130 availability (Oscar Zuniga)
9. 07:30 PM - Re: 4130 availability (dave rowe)
10. 08:32 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 29 Msgs - 03/18/04 (Rcaprd@aol.com)
11. 10:23 PM - Re: 4130 availability (Catdesign)
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| Subject: | Wire/turnbuckles |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard Carden <flywrite@erols.com>
The wing plans call for the use of 13 gauge hard wire, and 325 SF
turnbuckles.
Does anyone have a source of supply, or a better description of these
two items?
Dick Carden
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After my post from a few days ago I soke with the FAA guy again and Joe Norris
from EAA who will be my DAR. Turns out the FAA supervisor was not clear when
talking to me that this was a plans built experimental and not a kit that was
purchased or such. Joe says I will have to have limitations displayed
arcs, placards and such but technicaly there is no manual required. HOWEVER,
that does fall under good practices and the FAA Advisiorl Circular calls for one
to be developed with anticipated preformance data. Translation, it would
score some points on my side to have something in hand.
I am currently writting an Operations Manual for the Piet. It will be a MS Word
Doc and I will post it when complete. You all can make changes to fit diffrent
fuse lenghts and engines a needed. I was up late last night on it and will
have it in a couple of days. Warning in advance, I simply estimated a couple
of figures and corrections willl be needed.
One piece of info I could use help with is, with a Piet weighing 682 lb and an
A-65 engine, what is the WING LOADING AND POWER LOADING?
Dick N.
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Power loading is lbs/hp but it is based on gross weight.
Wing loading is lbs/wing area but it is based on gross weight.
We need to know your gross weight.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Navratil
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 9:38 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: paperwork
After my post from a few days ago I soke with the FAA guy again and Joe Norris
from EAA who will be my DAR. Turns out the FAA supervisor was not clear when
talking to me that this was a plans built experimental and not a kit that was
purchased or such. Joe says I will have to have limitations displayed
arcs, placards and such but technicaly there is no manual required. HOWEVER,
that does fall under good practices and the FAA Advisiorl Circular calls for
one to be developed with anticipated preformance data. Translation, it would
score some points on my side to have something in hand.
I am currently writting an Operations Manual for the Piet. It will be a MS Word
Doc and I will post it when complete. You all can make changes to fit diffrent
fuse lenghts and engines a needed. I was up late last night on it and will
have it in a couple of days. Warning in advance, I simply estimated a couple
of figures and corrections willl be needed.
One piece of info I could use help with is, with a Piet weighing 682 lb and
an A-65 engine, what is the WING LOADING AND POWER LOADING?
Dick N.
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wing loading is going to be 4.7lb/ft sq. EMPTY. If a 180lb pilot is in it it will
be 5.9lb/ft sq.
Power loading is 10.4 lb/hp EMPTY and 13.2lb/hp with a 180lb Pilot.
All of these figures do not include fuel
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Navratil
Subject: Pietenpol-List: paperwork
After my post from a few days ago I soke with the FAA guy again and Joe Norris
from EAA who will be my DAR. Turns out the FAA supervisor was not clear when
talking to me that this was a plans built experimental and not a kit that was
purchased or such. Joe says I will have to have limitations displayed
arcs, placards and such but technicaly there is no manual required. HOWEVER,
that does fall under good practices and the FAA Advisiorl Circular calls for one
to be developed with anticipated preformance data. Translation, it would
score some points on my side to have something in hand.
I am currently writting an Operations Manual for the Piet. It will be a MS Word
Doc and I will post it when complete. You all can make changes to fit diffrent
fuse lenghts and engines a needed. I was up late last night on it and will
have it in a couple of days. Warning in advance, I simply estimated a couple
of figures and corrections willl be needed.
One piece of info I could use help with is, with a Piet weighing 682 lb and an
A-65 engine, what is the WING LOADING AND POWER LOADING?
Dick N.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Dick,
To get those figures the gross weight of the plane is needed, you have
to estimate the weight of a pilot and passenger (I dont know if there
is a "Std" estimated weight in USA) also the weight of the gasoline in
full tank(s) and don't forget the engine oil, if not already in the
engine when you got your empty weight.
Saludos
Gary Gower
--- Richard Navratil <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote:
> After my post from a few days ago I soke with the FAA guy again and
> Joe Norris from EAA who will be my DAR. Turns out the FAA supervisor
> was not clear when talking to me that this was a plans built
> experimental and not a kit that was purchased or such. Joe says I
> will have to have limitations displayed
> arcs, placards and such but technicaly there is no manual required.
> HOWEVER, that does fall under good practices and the FAA Advisiorl
> Circular calls for one to be developed with anticipated preformance
> data. Translation, it would score some points on my side to have
> something in hand.
>
> I am currently writting an Operations Manual for the Piet. It will
> be a MS Word Doc and I will post it when complete. You all can make
> changes to fit diffrent fuse lenghts and engines a needed. I was up
> late last night on it and will have it in a couple of days. Warning
> in advance, I simply estimated a couple of figures and corrections
> willl be needed.
>
> One piece of info I could use help with is, with a Piet weighing
> 682 lb and an A-65 engine, what is the WING LOADING AND POWER
> LOADING?
> Dick N.
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Wire/turnbuckles |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
I used 3/32" SS 7x10 wire with the stress threads, available at Boat U.S. or
West Marine. Turnbuckles from ASS or Wicks, I dont remember which ones.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Carden" <flywrite@erols.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wire/turnbuckles
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard Carden <flywrite@erols.com>
>
> The wing plans call for the use of 13 gauge hard wire, and 325 SF
> turnbuckles.
>
> Does anyone have a source of supply, or a better description of these
> two items?
>
> Dick Carden
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 29 Msgs - 03/18/04 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ANNCARLEK@aol.com
In a message dated 3/18/04 11:57:11 PM, pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com
writes:
<<
Bruce __ <bruce___@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bruce __"
>>
Don't mind the ranting, Bruce, they don't really understand what they are
doing. Please feel free to contact me any time, either on the list or off.
I did weigh my wing parts, the spars were almost exactly 10 pounds each, made
up of 7 layers of vertical grain Douglas Fir. The ribs for a side (14), were
almost exactly 5 pounds for the lot. This weight total suggests to me that
there wouldn't be much difference in the flying weight no matter which woods you
use. I chose DF because there is a lot of very good stuff available, and I
did not like what I looked at, at AS&S. If the two wings weigh 50 pounds (wood
structure), and the Center Section weighs about 10, this means that there is
about 90 pounds available for hardware, fabric and paint, to keep to the 150
pounds Bernie sugggested. Carl L @ Compton Airport
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| Subject: | 4130 availability |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
There was a question here about availability of 4130 sheet. Be aware that
steel prices are completely out of control at the moment, in all areas of
the market. Not to go out and scare anyone, but if you're in the process of
putting together a list of materials for your project and you're anywhere
close to getting it finished, I'd suggest ordering your materials (steel
stock) right now. Commercial vendors are only honoring price quotes on
steel for max of 5 days, so it's a very volatile market right now. Steel
has increased in price about 40% over the last 90 days.
Or you could avoid the panic, sit back and think about it, and let this
"crisis" pass like they all seem to! That would be the Pietenpol "low and
slow" style, eh?
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: 4130 availability |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
Or go Aluminum, it's still affordable, and the stress conversion charts
readily aval.
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> There was a question here about availability of 4130 sheet. Be aware that
> steel prices are completely out of control at the moment, in all areas of
> the market. Not to go out and scare anyone, but if you're in the process of
> putting together a list of materials for your project and you're anywhere
> close to getting it finished, I'd suggest ordering your materials (steel
> stock) right now. Commercial vendors are only honoring price quotes on
> steel for max of 5 days, so it's a very volatile market right now. Steel
> has increased in price about 40% over the last 90 days.
>
> Or you could avoid the panic, sit back and think about it, and let this
> "crisis" pass like they all seem to! That would be the Pietenpol "low and
> slow" style, eh?
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 29 Msgs - 03/18/04 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 3/19/04 11:39:10 AM Central Standard Time,
ANNCARLEK@aol.com writes:
<< If the two wings weigh 50 pounds (wood
structure), and the Center Section weighs about 10, this means that there is
about 90 pounds available for hardware, fabric and paint, to keep to the 150
pounds Bernie sugggested. >>
I thought B.H.P. said the wing should weigh about 90 lbs. This would be the
one piece wing.
Chuck Gantzer
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| Subject: | Re: 4130 availability |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesign" <catdesign@intergate.com>
I tried to order some 4130 sheet form Aircraft Spruce two weeks ago and they
were out of it. They were however taking back orders at about a 300% price
increase. I told them no thank you and called Wicks. Wicks had everything
I needed and the prices were mostly the same as in their 2002 catalog
prices. I think I will be doing more business with Wicks. No tax (for
Californians) and very nice people.
Aircraft Spruce said their supplier of 4130 sheet closed their steel plant.
I think they said the tubing supply is unaffected.
Chris T.
Sacramento, Ca
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "dave rowe" <rowed044@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 4130 availability
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe <rowed044@shaw.ca>
>
> Or go Aluminum, it's still affordable, and the stress conversion charts
> readily aval.
>
> Oscar Zuniga wrote:
> >
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
> >
> > There was a question here about availability of 4130 sheet. Be aware
that
> > steel prices are completely out of control at the moment, in all areas
of
> > the market. Not to go out and scare anyone, but if you're in the
process of
> > putting together a list of materials for your project and you're
anywhere
> > close to getting it finished, I'd suggest ordering your materials (steel
> > stock) right now. Commercial vendors are only honoring price quotes on
> > steel for max of 5 days, so it's a very volatile market right now.
Steel
> > has increased in price about 40% over the last 90 days.
> >
> > Or you could avoid the panic, sit back and think about it, and let this
> > "crisis" pass like they all seem to! That would be the Pietenpol "low
and
> > slow" style, eh?
> >
> > Oscar Zuniga
> > San Antonio, TX
> > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
available.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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