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1. 04:52 AM - A new Pietenpol in Florida !!! (Michael D Cuy)
2. 06:56 AM - Continental inter-cylinder baffles (Sayre, William G)
3. 07:08 AM - Re: Continental inter-cylinder baffles (Jim Markle)
4. 12:39 PM - Re: Continental inter-cylinder baffles (walt evans)
5. 01:08 PM - Re: Continental inter-cylinder baffles (Christian Bobka)
6. 01:38 PM - inspection (Richard Navratil)
7. 01:44 PM - New Piet in the air (LAWRENCE WILLIAMS)
8. 02:07 PM - inspection (Richard Navratil)
9. 02:10 PM - Re: inspection (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
10. 02:27 PM - Re: Inspection 2 (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
11. 02:35 PM - Re: inspection (Fred Weaver)
12. 02:50 PM - Re: inspection (Bert Conoly)
13. 02:59 PM - Re: Continental inter-cylinder baffles (walt evans)
14. 03:24 PM - Re: inspection (walt evans)
15. 04:31 PM - Re: inspection (Cy Galley)
16. 08:12 PM - Re: Re: Inspection 2 (Rcaprd@aol.com)
17. 08:22 PM - Inspection (Richard Navratil)
18. 08:28 PM - Re: Inspection (Andimaxd@aol.com)
19. 09:31 PM - Re: Inspection (Christian Bobka)
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Subject: | A new Pietenpol in Florida !!! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Congratulations to Phil Beck on his first flight and great photos on
photoshare Skip G....thank you for posting them for us all.
I received a phone call last night from a very happy and very proud John
Ficklen in Florida. His Pietenpol flew for the first time yesterday
afternoon around 3:30 pm and after two landings John reported that the
plane had a cruise speed of 85 mph and flew very well on the maiden flight
with it's 85 hp Continental engine. John said his goal is to have the
plane on the flightline at Sun-N-Fun soon and he hopes to make it to the
Brodhead gathering this summer. Hopefully he and Ted B. will make the
trip up north to share their Air Campers with us all. Congratulations John !
Mike C.
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Subject: | Continental inter-cylinder baffles |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G" <william.g.sayre@boeing.com>
chris bobka writes;
Make them. The patterns are in one of the Bingelis books.
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Yea, yea - I know. You're absolutely right and I probably will make them. I was
just looking for ways to get this thing airborne this summer and thought this
detail might save some time while I finish covering and so on.
Bill
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Subject: | Re: Continental inter-cylinder baffles |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
And if you had a good lathe you wouldn't have to buy all those damn bolts!
Jim in Plano...feeling a bit silly but enjoying the heck out of the "New
Baby's flyin'" stories....very cool.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sayre, William G" <william.g.sayre@boeing.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental inter-cylinder baffles
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G"
<william.g.sayre@boeing.com>
>
> chris bobka writes;
>
> Make them. The patterns are in one of the Bingelis books.
> ------------------------------
> Yea, yea - I know. You're absolutely right and I probably will make them.
I was just looking for ways to get this thing airborne this summer and
thought this detail might save some time while I finish covering and so on.
>
> Bill
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Continental inter-cylinder baffles |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Bill,
I took mine off of the A65 (that came off of an Areonca) and if they are the
ones that I think you mean, they are simply a rectangle of aluminum bent to
follow the lower shape of the cyl.'s with a flat in the center (between
cyl.'s) with a hole to wire them up to a welding rod on top to take the
shape of the cyl tops... Just looked at mine that are in an old parts
bucket down in my aircraft factory. (well actually it's a 10x20ft.
cellar.)
You could really make them both in less than 1 hour.
Chris is right, if you have the pattern, make them.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sayre, William G" <william.g.sayre@boeing.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental inter-cylinder baffles
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G"
<william.g.sayre@boeing.com>
>
> I'd like to purchase a set of Continental (65,85 or 0-200) inter-cylinder
baffles and attach hardware. I'm hoping that a Pieter has obtained one of
these small Continentals from a pressure-cowled airplane and went with the
Cub style eyebrows, which wouldn't require them.
>
> Okay - they're not for a Piet, but I'm building one of those also and this
is a low-and-slow design.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bill
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Continental inter-cylinder baffles |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
As Walt says, it is too easy to make them... Used ones will most likely be
damaged. You want to cool properly and want the sytem to work properly.
New ones made to the Bingelis drawings would enable this.
Chris
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From: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental inter-cylinder baffles
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
>
> Bill,
> I took mine off of the A65 (that came off of an Areonca) and if they are
the
> ones that I think you mean, they are simply a rectangle of aluminum bent
to
> follow the lower shape of the cyl.'s with a flat in the center (between
> cyl.'s) with a hole to wire them up to a welding rod on top to take the
> shape of the cyl tops... Just looked at mine that are in an old parts
> bucket down in my aircraft factory. (well actually it's a 10x20ft.
> cellar.)
> You could really make them both in less than 1 hour.
> Chris is right, if you have the pattern, make them.
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sayre, William G" <william.g.sayre@boeing.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:41 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental inter-cylinder baffles
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G"
> <william.g.sayre@boeing.com>
> >
> > I'd like to purchase a set of Continental (65,85 or 0-200)
inter-cylinder
> baffles and attach hardware. I'm hoping that a Pieter has obtained one of
> these small Continentals from a pressure-cowled airplane and went with the
> Cub style eyebrows, which wouldn't require them.
> >
> > Okay - they're not for a Piet, but I'm building one of those also and
this
> is a low-and-slow design.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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The FAA man told me to complete a search on any AD's for the Pietenpol or the contintal
engine before my inspection on Saturday. Does anybody know where I would
find this info? I assume it is somewhere linked to the FAA site but I havent
found it yet.
Dick N.
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Subject: | New Piet in the air |
Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:44:32 -0500
Pieters-
Yet another birth announcement........ John Ficklen's Piet took to the air for
the first time out of the Apalachicola airport yesterday (Monday). It was up for
an hour and explored high speed, low speed, stalls, climb angles and rates,
and other things that I don't remember. Sounds like another winner, and he is
going gang-busters to fly off the time so he can be at Sun-n-fun. His BIG PLAN
is to make it to B'head for the 75th.
Seems like we're going through a "baby boom" of Piets this year. Donny Emch up
in Northern Ohio should be in the air soon, too.................. You there, Donny?
Larry
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Cancel my last request for help finding AD's on FAA site . I found it.
Dick
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Dick;
Look on the following URL
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/MainFrame?OpenFrameSet
You won't find anything on Pietenpol airplanes, because Airworthiness Directives
are only issued against Type Certified products.
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
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Subject: | Re: Inspection 2 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Your FAA man should be aware that there are no ADs on pietenpols. But to his credit,
he is only trying to follow the recipe for assurance of design safety.
There is perhaps more pertinent design safety info for homebuilts on the following
FAA URL containing service difficulty reports (SDRs). Click on the Query
link and under manufacturer, enter "AMTR" for amateur built aircraft. The search
will bring up many reports of service problems that have been reported to
FAA. I did a quick query for "Pietenpol" under the model heading and found one
item attached.
http://av-info.faa.gov/isdr/
Theres also a number of "what not to do's" in the NTSB accident investigation data.
Chuck Gantzer on the list provided a good breakdown for Piet accidents a
while back.
Terry L. Bowden
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Tell him to take a hike...... This is simply not required. You need a new inspector
or a good DAR.
This guy is not doing you any good at all.
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Navratil
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: inspection
The FAA man told me to complete a search on any AD's for the Pietenpol or the
contintal engine before my inspection on Saturday. Does anybody know where I
would find this info? I assume it is somewhere linked to the FAA site but I
havent found it yet.
Dick N.
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Dick. It sounds like you should also be doing a search for a competent FAA man.
It's obvious he's clueless if he's asking for ADs on Pietenpols. As I recall
aren't ADs issued on Certified Aircraft - not homebuilts?
Maybe ADs are issued on engines - but if the whole aircraft is certified experimental
why does this even matter? These people confuse me.
See you next week...
BC
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Navratil
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 4:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: inspection
The FAA man told me to complete a search on any AD's for the Pietenpol or the
contintal engine before my inspection on Saturday. Does anybody know where I
would find this info? I assume it is somewhere linked to the FAA site but I
havent found it yet.
Dick N.
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Subject: | Re: Continental inter-cylinder baffles |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Bill,
I have these old ones, and if you'd like to see them in your hand, I can
stomp them flat and mail them to you if you'd like. Two baffles and the
wires for the top, and the big cotter pin that secures the baffle, and the
safety wire that holds them all together. It really looks like these were
made by hand, but you could see the concept.
Let me know!
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental inter-cylinder baffles
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
>
> Bill,
> I took mine off of the A65 (that came off of an Areonca) and if they are
the
> ones that I think you mean, they are simply a rectangle of aluminum bent
to
> follow the lower shape of the cyl.'s with a flat in the center (between
> cyl.'s) with a hole to wire them up to a welding rod on top to take the
> shape of the cyl tops... Just looked at mine that are in an old parts
> bucket down in my aircraft factory. (well actually it's a 10x20ft.
> cellar.)
> You could really make them both in less than 1 hour.
> Chris is right, if you have the pattern, make them.
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sayre, William G" <william.g.sayre@boeing.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:41 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental inter-cylinder baffles
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Sayre, William G"
> <william.g.sayre@boeing.com>
> >
> > I'd like to purchase a set of Continental (65,85 or 0-200)
inter-cylinder
> baffles and attach hardware. I'm hoping that a Pieter has obtained one of
> these small Continentals from a pressure-cowled airplane and went with the
> Cub style eyebrows, which wouldn't require them.
> >
> > Okay - they're not for a Piet, but I'm building one of those also and
this
> is a low-and-slow design.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Dick,
I know this has been answered already, but it's amazing what you go thru with the
FAA. When I went for my repairmans cert. got an FAA guy (really nice guy
who said he normally did the "big iron" the 777's.) He had to go and get a sheet
to be able to go thru the criteria. He said that a builders log was required.
Even gave me examples of a procedure to follow to create the log. The Photo
log that I showed him only made him say "nice plane", but it wasn't enough.
It happened I was flying to Fl. for 4 days to visit my mother. So got the book
he suggested and started entering. In the airport, in the plane, in the airport
again, in the plane again, blah,blah.
A week later called the number again , and he said he'd been "reassigned" , and
to walk in and get the "duty guy". Another nice guy (really) and sat down with
all the paperwork.
He looked at all the stuff,,,,,glanced at the album and said "nice plane" , and
then said, "lets get to the paperwork!!!! there was the builders log over
there on the table,,and it was never brought up again. Now the builders log sits
at the bottom of my "stuff" doing nothing.
It's a funny world!!
A doctor (vet) friend of mine built a plane and was having it inspected by the
FAA, with a mutual friend, my mentor, standing by. My mentor relates this story
that the inspector looked at the oil tank on the A65, and said "why would you
use such a small gas tank"???? They just looked at each other and bit their
tongues.
They said nothing and the plane passed.
true story.
nuff said.
Guess there's a million stories out there. This is just another.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Navratil
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 4:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: inspection
The FAA man told me to complete a search on any AD's for the Pietenpol or the
contintal engine before my inspection on Saturday. Does anybody know where I
would find this info? I assume it is somewhere linked to the FAA site but I
havent found it yet.
Dick N.
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Repeat after me... There aren't any AD for experimental aircraft. With that said
there are ADs on components like engines, magnetos and the like.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Navratil
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 3:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: inspection
The FAA man told me to complete a search on any AD's for the Pietenpol or the
contintal engine before my inspection on Saturday. Does anybody know where I
would find this info? I assume it is somewhere linked to the FAA site but I
havent found it yet.
Dick N.
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Subject: | Re: Inspection 2 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 3/31/04 4:28:30 PM Central Standard Time, BARNSTMR@aol.com
writes:
<< Theres also a number of "what not to do's" in the NTSB accident
investigation data. Chuck Gantzer on the list provided a good breakdown for Piet
accidents a while back. >>
I still have them stored on my computer. I could e-mail it to anyone that is
interested...just e-mail me directly with your request. I'll print out a
copy to bring to Brodhead.
Chuck Gantzer
NX770CG
still working some squawks...
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Thanks alll for the comments on AD's.
I need to cover all bases here. I did a search for all major components, engine,
prop and and even did a search upner the word Pietenpol. I pulled up all AD's
and verified all complied with. Bases are now covered.
Cy, you propably know Joe Norris from EAA. He will be doing my inspection. He
sounds like a real nice guy, problem he will be bringing along his supervisior
from the FAA district office who will be observing him performing the inspection.
I spent some time going over the Piet tonight again, I now think I am ready.
Dick
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Dick:
Can I borrow all of your paper work and paraphernalia when the time comes for
me? I doubt they will know the difference anyhow?
Good luck on the big event...
Max
Arlington, TX.
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Dick,
what about the weight and balance?
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Navratil
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Inspection
Thanks alll for the comments on AD's.
I need to cover all bases here. I did a search for all major components, engine,
prop and and even did a search upner the word Pietenpol. I pulled up all
AD's and verified all complied with. Bases are now covered.
Cy, you propably know Joe Norris from EAA. He will be doing my inspection.
He sounds like a real nice guy, problem he will be bringing along his supervisior
from the FAA district office who will be observing him performing the inspection.
I spent some time going over the Piet tonight again, I now think I am ready.
Dick
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