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1. 09:09 AM - Spam can (rhartwig11@juno.com)
2. 10:04 AM - Re: Spam can (Steve Eldredge)
3. 10:05 AM - Re: Spam can (Steve Eldredge)
4. 06:49 PM - Flop or not to flop? (Peter W Johnson)
5. 07:36 PM - Re: Flop or not to flop? (John Dilatush)
6. 08:06 PM - Re: Flop or not to flop? (DJ Vegh)
7. 08:28 PM - Re: Flop or not to flop? (Peter W Johnson)
8. 08:45 PM - Re: Brodhead 2004 (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com
Garth,
You have my condolences!
Study that metal, the rivets and screws,
Forsaking wood doesn't mean you lose,
One advantage to those new planes of aluminum,
Compared to a Piet most have more room-in-um.
But, OH! the sound of a rivet when you smack it,
Your next door friends will not like the racket.
Yes! There is nothing as quiet as curing glue,
Remember that when your neighbors sue.
Dick Hartwig
Waunakee, WI
rhartwig11@juno.com
Time: 10:14:25 AM PST US
From: Gsrth@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: to the peit
"We might make just a little change
on one little part, in one little place,
And hope it won't ..................."
Sorry guys, you'll have to finish this up. I've decided
to build a spam can.
Garth Dawson
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
Clever Garth,,,, very clever.
:)
Steve e
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rhartwig11@juno.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spam can
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com
Garth,
You have my condolences!
Study that metal, the rivets and screws,
Forsaking wood doesn't mean you lose,
One advantage to those new planes of aluminum,
Compared to a Piet most have more room-in-um.
But, OH! the sound of a rivet when you smack it,
Your next door friends will not like the racket.
Yes! There is nothing as quiet as curing glue,
Remember that when your neighbors sue.
Dick Hartwig
Waunakee, WI
rhartwig11@juno.com
Time: 10:14:25 AM PST US
From: Gsrth@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: to the peit
"We might make just a little change
on one little part, in one little place,
And hope it won't ..................."
Sorry guys, you'll have to finish this up. I've decided
to build a spam can.
Garth Dawson
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
I meant Dick. Sorry about that slic opps I mean slip.
Steve e
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rhartwig11@juno.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spam can
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com
Garth,
You have my condolences!
Study that metal, the rivets and screws,
Forsaking wood doesn't mean you lose,
One advantage to those new planes of aluminum,
Compared to a Piet most have more room-in-um.
But, OH! the sound of a rivet when you smack it,
Your next door friends will not like the racket.
Yes! There is nothing as quiet as curing glue,
Remember that when your neighbors sue.
Dick Hartwig
Waunakee, WI
rhartwig11@juno.com
Time: 10:14:25 AM PST US
From: Gsrth@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: to the peit
"We might make just a little change
on one little part, in one little place,
And hope it won't ..................."
Sorry guys, you'll have to finish this up. I've decided
to build a spam can.
Garth Dawson
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| Subject: | Flop or not to flop? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Hi Guys,
I am about to glue up the center section and was wondering as to what
performance/handling concerns are there over the permanent circular cut out
in the center section for easy pilot access, or the flop (temporary access
panel of the complete centre section from the aileron spar position back to
the trailing edge).
I think the circular center section cutout would be easier to build and one
less item on the take off check list.
Any comments?
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi,
Victoria, Australia.
http://www.cpc-world.com
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| Subject: | Re: Flop or not to flop? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush" <dilatush@amigo.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flop or not to flop?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Peter W Johnson"
<vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
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Peter,
I've heard both pro and con regarding this cutout. In one case, the pilot
forgot to latch the flop and took off. The only thing that happened was
that the flop rose up a couple of inches and then rode in that position with
no change in handling characteristics of the plane.
In another instance, a Piet with a cutout was modified by the builder by
putting a temporary foam insert into the cut out so as to compare flight
characteristics with and without it. There was no change except a slightly
higher rate of climb he thought------ but it was so slight that he really
wasn't sure!
I suppose that it really depends upon if you are using a Model A engine and
where you mount the radiator. I suspect the airflow is really disturbed
over the center section of the wing.
In my own case, I don't have a cut out or a flop and getting into the plane
is a real bear! However, once in, the shade is great on a hot day!
Hope this helps to in your decision.
Cordially,
John
==============================
> Hi Guys,
>
> I am about to glue up the center section and was wondering as to what
> performance/handling concerns are there over the permanent circular cut
out
> in the center section for easy pilot access, or the flop (temporary access
> panel of the complete centre section from the aileron spar position back
to
> the trailing edge).
>
> I think the circular center section cutout would be easier to build and
one
> less item on the take off check list.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> Wonthaggi,
> Victoria, Australia.
> http://www.cpc-world.com
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flop or not to flop? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
my flop is hinged at the rear spar. It's a big flop but provides ALOT of
room to get into and out of the plane. It has two latches (actual AN
latches) that secure it.
lots of pics here
http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/01-26-04.htm
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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| Subject: | Flop or not to flop? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
John,
Perhaps the easiest way is to do without either flop or cut out and just
keep fit getting in and out!
Thanks for the comments
Cheers
Peter.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Dilatush
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flop or not to flop?
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Dilatush"
--> <dilatush@amigo.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flop or not to flop?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Peter W Johnson"
<vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
============================
Peter,
I've heard both pro and con regarding this cutout. In one case, the pilot
forgot to latch the flop and took off. The only thing that happened was
that the flop rose up a couple of inches and then rode in that position with
no change in handling characteristics of the plane.
In another instance, a Piet with a cutout was modified by the builder by
putting a temporary foam insert into the cut out so as to compare flight
characteristics with and without it. There was no change except a slightly
higher rate of climb he thought------ but it was so slight that he really
wasn't sure!
I suppose that it really depends upon if you are using a Model A engine and
where you mount the radiator. I suspect the airflow is really disturbed
over the center section of the wing.
In my own case, I don't have a cut out or a flop and getting into the plane
is a real bear! However, once in, the shade is great on a hot day!
Hope this helps to in your decision.
Cordially,
John
==============================
> Hi Guys,
>
> I am about to glue up the center section and was wondering as to what
> performance/handling concerns are there over the permanent circular
> cut
out
> in the center section for easy pilot access, or the flop (temporary
> access panel of the complete centre section from the aileron spar
> position back
to
> the trailing edge).
>
> I think the circular center section cutout would be easier to build
> and
one
> less item on the take off check list.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> Wonthaggi,
> Victoria, Australia.
> http://www.cpc-world.com
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2004 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 4/6/04 10:11:49 AM Central Daylight Time, steve@byu.edu
writes:
<< How come I've heard so little about the event this year. Everyone knows
that it is the 75th Anniversary right? For the 70th we had a mass
fly-in and center stage parking for 20 or so of us. Is there something
going on or in the works and I've just missed it? Or do we need a
volunteer? >>
I heard the Hatz airplanes are also going to be there this year. Can anyone
confirm this ?
Chuck G.
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