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1. 01:17 AM - Re: Flop or not to flop? (Peter W Johnson)
2. 06:56 AM - Re: Flop or not to flop? (DJ Vegh)
3. 09:53 AM - FW: Pietenpol airfoil analysis (Ken Chambers)
4. 10:17 AM - Re: Flop or not to flop? (walt evans)
5. 10:21 AM - Re: Flop or not to flop? (walt evans)
6. 12:04 PM - Re: FW: Pietenpol airfoil analysis (DJ Vegh)
7. 12:20 PM - Tail feather hinge question (At7000ft@aol.com)
8. 12:55 PM - Re: Tail feather hinge question (Isablcorky@aol.com)
9. 01:00 PM - Re: Tail feather hinge question (Isablcorky@aol.com)
10. 02:44 PM - Re: Flop or not to flop? (Peter W Johnson)
11. 03:42 PM - tall pilots (Les Schubert)
12. 05:55 PM - Re: tall pilots (DJ Vegh)
13. 07:47 PM - Re: Tail feather hinge question (Bruce __)
14. 08:34 PM - Piet cabane dimensions (DJ Vegh)
15. 09:16 PM - McCormick Lumber (rhartwig11@juno.com)
16. 09:44 PM - fuselage door (ADonJr@aol.com)
17. 09:50 PM - Piet building at Sun 'n Fun / was: McCormick Lumber (Jim Ash)
18. 09:56 PM - Piet plans at Sun 'n Fun ? (Jim Ash)
19. 11:02 PM - Re: Piet cabane dimensions (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Flop or not to flop? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
DJ,
How do the aileron control cables route on a GN-1? I would have to start the
flop at the alieron spar position as there is the control cable and pulley
between that and the spar.
Cheers
Peter.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flop or not to flop?
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
my flop is hinged at the rear spar. It's a big flop but provides ALOT of
room to get into and out of the plane. It has two latches (actual AN
latches) that secure it.
lots of pics here
http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/01-26-04.htm
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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| Subject: | Re: Flop or not to flop? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
ahhhhhh good point. The GN1 has the ail cables run behind the front spar.
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flop or not to flop?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Peter W Johnson"
<vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
>
> DJ,
>
> How do the aileron control cables route on a GN-1? I would have to start
the
> flop at the alieron spar position as there is the control cable and pulley
> between that and the spar.
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:07 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flop or not to flop?
>
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
>
> my flop is hinged at the rear spar. It's a big flop but provides ALOT of
> room to get into and out of the plane. It has two latches (actual AN
> latches) that secure it.
>
> lots of pics here
>
> http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/01-26-04.htm
>
>
> DJ Vegh
> N74DV
> Mesa, AZ
> www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
>
> -
>
>
> advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
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| Subject: | FW: Pietenpol airfoil analysis |
Pietenpolistas
As promised (threatened?) I've been looking around for folks knowledgeable
enough to shed a little light on the Pietenpol's FC-10 airfoil.
To that end, visit the Matronic's file share for a well-written and
well-considered article with computer analysis by Mike Shuck. He's
graciously spent his time and considerable expertise to create some helpful
figures and comparisons. See the end of his article for his qualifications
and more information.
Ken Chambers, once again gluing bits of wood onto the fuselage in Austin,
Texas
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| Subject: | Re: Flop or not to flop? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
DJ,
Real nice job!
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flop or not to flop?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
>
> my flop is hinged at the rear spar. It's a big flop but provides ALOT of
> room to get into and out of the plane. It has two latches (actual AN
> latches) that secure it.
>
> lots of pics here
>
> http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/01-26-04.htm
>
>
> DJ Vegh
> N74DV
> Mesa, AZ
> www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
>
> -
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flop or not to flop? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Peter,
I had to move my wing back 3", and it's the only way I could get in. Also
the view overhead would be completely blocked without it. This I need due
to busy skydiving operations at our airport.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flop or not to flop?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Peter W Johnson"
<vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I am about to glue up the center section and was wondering as to what
> performance/handling concerns are there over the permanent circular cut
out
> in the center section for easy pilot access, or the flop (temporary access
> panel of the complete centre section from the aileron spar position back
to
> the trailing edge).
>
> I think the circular center section cutout would be easier to build and
one
> less item on the take off check list.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> Wonthaggi,
> Victoria, Australia.
> http://www.cpc-world.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Pietenpol airfoil analysis |
OUTSTANDING!! I'm printing this out and keeping it with my contruction log &
notes. Who is Mike Shuck?
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Chambers (by way of Matt Dralle <nospam@matronics.com>)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: Pietenpol airfoil analysis
Pietenpolistas
As promised (threatened?) I've been looking around for folks knowledgeable
enough to shed a little light on the Pietenpol's FC-10 airfoil.
To that end, visit the Matronic's file share for a well-written and
well-considered article with computer analysis by Mike Shuck. He's
graciously spent his time and considerable expertise to create some helpful
figures and comparisons. See the end of his article for his qualifications
and more information.
Ken Chambers, once again gluing bits of wood onto the fuselage in Austin,
Texas
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| Subject: | Tail feather hinge question |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com
Would like anyones opinion on mounting elevator and rudder hinges. Just directly
against the 'Main Beam' or cut out a channel with a router and inset them? Couldn't
find much in the archives, am using Vi's aluminum hinges.
Thanks
RickH
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| Subject: | Re: Tail feather hinge question |
Rick,
I'll tell you how I did mine for Repiet: First I paired and numbered the
hinges for I D. Then with various sized files I fitted each pair also sized the
holes for 3/16 pins. THEN I located the hinge positions on each hinge beam. With
sharp chisels and drill bits I countersunk for each hinge half. Installed and
bolted hinges. All this was done BEFORE assembling the surface parts. It's
easier to use a drill press that way. When you finish your feathers it's all
ready to hinge and almost ready to fly.
Corky
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| Subject: | Re: Tail feather hinge question |
Rick,
Forgot to mention: On the nut side of the beams fit and glue a 1/16 piece of
ply to resist the bolting compression.
Corky
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| Subject: | Flop or not to flop? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Thanks DJ,
that explains that little problem.
Cheers
Peter.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flop or not to flop?
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
ahhhhhh good point. The GN1 has the ail cables run behind the front spar.
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flop or not to flop?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Peter W Johnson"
<vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
>
> DJ,
>
> How do the aileron control cables route on a GN-1? I would have to start
the
> flop at the alieron spar position as there is the control cable and pulley
> between that and the spar.
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:07 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flop or not to flop?
>
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
>
> my flop is hinged at the rear spar. It's a big flop but provides ALOT of
> room to get into and out of the plane. It has two latches (actual AN
> latches) that secure it.
>
> lots of pics here
>
> http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/01-26-04.htm
>
>
> DJ Vegh
> N74DV
> Mesa, AZ
> www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
>
> -
>
>
> advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Les Schubert <leskarin@telus.net>
DJ Vegh
I notice that you are 6' 4", the same as I am. I concluded that I just
could not fit in to a Piet if I left in the front seat.
So I am building it as single place. Maybe you are really agile and slim or
are you going with a single place as well.
I hope to be flying in about 2 months as I have picked up a helper with a
lot of homebuilt experience to assist me.
Les in Calgary Alberta Canada
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
well... I stretched my fuse and widened it. I pushed the rear seat back
about 2", moved the firewall forward 1.5" and moved the tail post back 1".
I also widened the fuse 2" and the rear cockpit and widened it 1" at the
firewall. This gives me ALOT of room. The fit is amazingly comfortable!
Makes sitting in a Super Cub feel like a sardine can..... which I can now
attest to as I have spent the last 4 days flying about 6 hours in a Super
Cub as I am working on my tailwheel endorsement.
My Aircamper is way more comfortable than that Cub. Remember... this is
experimental aviation and you can change whatever you like.... push pull
stretch squeeze... whatever.. just make sure it's safe and go for it!
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Schubert" <leskarin@telus.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: tall pilots
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Les Schubert <leskarin@telus.net>
>
> DJ Vegh
> I notice that you are 6' 4", the same as I am. I concluded that I just
> could not fit in to a Piet if I left in the front seat.
> So I am building it as single place. Maybe you are really agile and slim
or
> are you going with a single place as well.
> I hope to be flying in about 2 months as I have picked up a helper with a
> lot of homebuilt experience to assist me.
> Les in Calgary Alberta Canada
>
>
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| Subject: | Tail feather hinge question |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bruce __" <bruce___@hotmail.com>
>Would like anyones opinion on mounting elevator and rudder hinges....
Rick,
Heres a second vote for cutting a channel and insetting the hinges. This
past winter I bought a set of hinges from Vi Kapler. I had seen differing
ways to mount the hinges on various web sites, so I asked Vi how Bernie did
it. He replied, Bernie Pietenpol chiseled out a pocket in the beam so that
the base of the hinge is set flush with the surface of the beam. No plywood
under the hinge base, but 1/16 ply is put under the nuts on the back side.
Bruce
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| Subject: | Piet cabane dimensions |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
I do not have a set of Piet plans and have a question. What is the
dimension for the front and rear cabanes? I'm trying to figure how much
longer or shorter they are than GN-1 cabanes.
Thanks!
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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| Subject: | McCormick Lumber |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com
I met Dick Navratil at McCormick Lumber in Madison, WI just after noon
today--helped him pick out four sticks of spruce for spars on the Piet
wing that will be built at Sun'N'Fun. Dick was wasting no time as he was
planning to get past Nashville before calling it a day. After picking,
loading a paying he was on the road.
Dick Hartwig
Waunakee, WI
rhartwig11@juno.com
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Hello, group,
As a relative newbe (sp?) to the group, I have been reading with great
interest all of the bits and pieces offered by various members. Thank you for
all of your contributions. Now, a question....
I have the drawings for Harry Price's door modification, and it looks
very complicated (and heavy). My wife will really appreciate the added
convenience of a door to enter the front cockpit of our Piet. Is there a simpler,
yet
reliably strong alternative?
I have just built my work table, and am about to begin construction of
the tail feathers, or as BH would say, the end-spinach. Have a grand week-end,
and thanx for your thoughts.
Don Cooley
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| Subject: | Piet building at Sun 'n Fun / was: McCormick Lumber |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
Pardon my ignorance, but what's this about a Piet wing to be built at Sun
'n Fun? I'll be working the metal shaping tent. Hopefully it isn't too far
to the woodworking tent from there.
Jim Ash
At 4/8/2004 11:15 PM -0500, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com
>
>I met Dick Navratil at McCormick Lumber in Madison, WI just after noon
>today--helped him pick out four sticks of spruce for spars on the Piet
>wing that will be built at Sun'N'Fun. Dick was wasting no time as he was
>planning to get past Nashville before calling it a day. After picking,
>loading a paying he was on the road.
>Dick Hartwig
>Waunakee, WI
>rhartwig11@juno.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Piet plans at Sun 'n Fun ? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
Speaking of, does anybody here know if I'll be able to pick up a set of
plans at Sun 'n Fun?
Jim Ash
At 4/9/2004 12:51 AM -0400, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
>
>Pardon my ignorance, but what's this about a Piet wing to be built at Sun
>'n Fun? I'll be working the metal shaping tent. Hopefully it isn't too far
>to the woodworking tent from there.
>
>Jim Ash
>
>
>At 4/8/2004 11:15 PM -0500, you wrote:
>>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com
>>
>>I met Dick Navratil at McCormick Lumber in Madison, WI just after noon
>>today--helped him pick out four sticks of spruce for spars on the Piet
>>wing that will be built at Sun'N'Fun. Dick was wasting no time as he was
>>planning to get past Nashville before calling it a day. After picking,
>>loading a paying he was on the road.
>>Dick Hartwig
>>Waunakee, WI
>>rhartwig11@juno.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piet cabane dimensions |
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
According to the F+G, front 21 1/4" on centers
and 20 1/4" rear. Ditto on the plan set. But don't
forget, some folks are going longer.
Clif
>
> I do not have a set of Piet plans and have a question. What is the
> dimension for the front and rear cabanes? I'm trying to figure how much
> longer or shorter they are than GN-1 cabanes.
>
> Thanks!
>
> DJ Vegh
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