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1. 04:59 AM - Re: Piet plans at Sun 'n Fun ? (Gadd, Skip)
2. 05:29 AM - Sun N Fun (Ed Grentzer)
3. 07:16 AM - Re: Sun N Fun (srmjem)
4. 07:49 AM - Re: FW: Pietenpol airfoil analysis (James Dallas)
5. 11:11 AM - Cabanes for sale.... (Jim Markle)
6. 11:38 AM - Pietenpol airfoil analysis (Oscar Zuniga)
7. 12:24 PM - Look at this! (Christian Bobka)
8. 01:08 PM - Re: Pietenpol airfoil analysis (James Dallas)
9. 01:26 PM - Re: Pietenpol airfoil analysis (DJ Vegh)
10. 05:05 PM - SOLD - Cabanes for sale (Jim Markle)
11. 05:26 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (Waytogopiet@aol.com)
12. 05:29 PM - Re: Look at this! (DOUGLAS BLACKBURN)
13. 06:19 PM - Re: SOLD - Cabanes for sale (Christian Bobka)
14. 06:57 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (Jack Phillips)
15. 07:31 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (Isablcorky@aol.com)
16. 11:29 PM - Give me a Brake (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Piet plans at Sun 'n Fun ? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gadd, Skip" <Skip.Gadd@ssa.gov>
-----Original Message-----
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
>Speaking of, does anybody here know if I'll be able to pick up a set of
>plans at Sun 'n Fun?
>Jim Ash
Sometimes you see a set at the Flymarket.
At 4/9/2004 12:51 AM -0400, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
>
>Pardon my ignorance, but what's this about a Piet wing to be built at
>Sun
>'n Fun? I'll be working the metal shaping tent. Hopefully it isn't too far
>to the woodworking tent from there.
>Jim Ash
Dick has a Tom Sawyer/Huck Finn thing going on his 2nd Piet. He brings
plans, wood, and some prep work to the wood shop at Sun & Fun and we do the
rest. 2002 his whitewashed fence was a fuselage, 2003 it was the tail
feathers.
Actually Dick does most of the work and puts in real long days, and provides
a real airplane project for the visitors to the wood shop to see.
Skip, leaving for S&F tomorrow morning.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
I will be at the Sun N Fun fly-in next Thursday the 15th. I will stop in
at the woodworking tent.
Will anyone from the list be there on thurs? Jack Phillips will you be going
this year? If so I would like
to meet up with you again. Ed Grentzer do not archive
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "srmjem" <srmjem@ezol.com>
Ed Grentzer wrote
I will be at the Sun N Fun fly-in next Thursday the 15th. I will stop in
at the woodworking tent.
I'll be there Wednesday the 14th and will have pictures of my Piet
project.
Sam Marinucci
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Pietenpol airfoil analysis |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "James Dallas" <bec176@msn.com>
DJ,
Mike is from Wichita and is an avid aviation enthusiast. He is not a
Piet builder, but he is a home built builder who has just finished flying
his test time off of his RV-6A. One of his favorite hobbys is the study of
wings. If I was to design my own plane, when it came to wing design or
wing usage, he would be the one that I would be heading to for help.
Jim Dallas
>From: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Pietenpol airfoil analysis
>Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:05:57 -0700
>
>OUTSTANDING!! I'm printing this out and keeping it with my contruction
>log & notes. Who is Mike Shuck?
>
>DJ
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Ken Chambers (by way of Matt Dralle <nospam@matronics.com>)
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:52 AM
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: Pietenpol airfoil analysis
>
>
>Pietenpolistas
>
>As promised (threatened?) I've been looking around for folks knowledgeable
>enough to shed a little light on the Pietenpol's FC-10 airfoil.
>
>To that end, visit the Matronic's file share for a well-written and
>well-considered article with computer analysis by Mike Shuck. He's
>graciously spent his time and considerable expertise to create some helpful
>figures and comparisons. See the end of his article for his qualifications
>and more information.
>
>Ken Chambers, once again gluing bits of wood onto the fuselage in Austin,
>Texas
>
>
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| Subject: | Cabanes for sale.... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
All this talk about cabanes reminded me that I have a set that I would like to
sell.....
They are streamlined 4130 tubing, 2.023X.857X.049. Don't have the overall length
but 1/4" dia hole to hole dimenstions are 25" on the shorter set of two and
26" on the longer (with sleeves welded in) set of two. These cabanes were previously
used but I'm doing wood and won't be using them so they are for sale...make
an offer.
Jim in Plano...EXCITED to be getting my garage back this weekend so I can do some
FUN STUFF!!!! woohoo!!
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| Subject: | Pietenpol airfoil analysis |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>visit the Matronic's file share for a well-written and
>well-considered article with computer analysis by Mike Shuck
Been there... done that... no joy. Where's the article?
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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First AB-DAR Performs First Inspection
EAA senior aviation information specialist and volunteer amateur-built designated
airworthiness representative (AB-DAR) Joe Norris performed his first airworthiness
inspection on Saturday, April 3, at Crystal Airport (KMIC) in Minneapolis,
Minnesota. Norris was the first AB-DAR to become officially certificated
to perform inspections under the new FAA program developed in cooperation with
EAA. The airplane was a Pietenpol Aircamper built by Dick Navratil, Minneapolis.
Upon successful completion of the inspection, Navratil was issued an airworthiness
certificate for his newly completed airplane, N-2RN. Dave Smith, supervisor
from the MSP Manufacturing Inspection District Office (MIDO), observed
the inspection.
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| Subject: | Pietenpol airfoil analysis |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "James Dallas" <bec176@msn.com>
Oscar,
Ken Chambers sent out an E-mail to the list that is was attached to.
If you didn't get it let me know and I will forward to you....about 3 meg
Jim Dallas
>From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol airfoil analysis
>Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:38:05 -0500
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
><taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>>visit the Matronic's file share for a well-written and
>>well-considered article with computer analysis by Mike Shuck
>
>Been there... done that... no joy. Where's the article?
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol airfoil analysis |
here it is in .pdf format about 500K
www.imagedv.com/aircamper/pietenpol_fc10.pdf
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: James Dallas
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol airfoil analysis
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "James Dallas" <bec176@msn.com>
Oscar,
Ken Chambers sent out an E-mail to the list that is was attached to.
If you didn't get it let me know and I will forward to you....about 3 meg
Jim Dallas
>From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol airfoil analysis
>Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:38:05 -0500
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
><taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>>visit the Matronic's file share for a well-written and
>>well-considered article with computer analysis by Mike Shuck
>
>Been there... done that... no joy. Where's the article?
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>
>
=
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| Subject: | SOLD - Cabanes for sale |
The cabanes are sold.
I'm going to do a set of 4 laminated black walnut/hard maple cabanes and would
be glad to do some extra if anyone is interested. Mine will be approximately
1" X 1 3/4" with 2 layers of carbon fiber imbedded. I'll do the initial rough
contour as shown in the pics but more sanding/shaping can certainly be done if
wanted.
Should be plenty strong and all you have to do is drill the hole where you want
it.....
Jim in Plano
(I reduced the size of the attached pictures, hope it doesn't cause anyone any
download problems...)
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In a message dated 4/9/2004 7:29:45 AM Central Standard Time,
flyboy_120@hotmail.com writes:
Will anyone from the list be there on thurs?
Ed...I have just finalized my plans and will be working in the woodshop on
Dick Navratil's wings along with Bert Conoly. Mike Hattaway will also be there.
Look forward to seeing you there. Don Hicks
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| Subject: | Re: Look at this! |
Congratulations Dick !!!!!!
Doug & Elizabeth Blackburn
www.inlandsloperebels.com
W W's Conversion Manual 3202, 5782
www.flycorvair.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Christian Bobka
To: Pietenpol
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 12:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Look at this!
First AB-DAR Performs First Inspection
EAA senior aviation information specialist and volunteer amateur-built designated
airworthiness representative (AB-DAR) Joe Norris performed his first airworthiness
inspection on Saturday, April 3, at Crystal Airport (KMIC) in Minneapolis,
Minnesota. Norris was the first AB-DAR to become officially certificated
to perform inspections under the new FAA program developed in cooperation with
EAA. The airplane was a Pietenpol Aircamper built by Dick Navratil, Minneapolis.
Upon successful completion of the inspection, Navratil was issued an airworthiness
certificate for his newly completed airplane, N-2RN. Dave Smith, supervisor
from the MSP Manufacturing Inspection District Office (MIDO), observed
the inspection.
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| Subject: | Re: SOLD - Cabanes for sale |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
Jim,
If you embed a steel strap to catch the holes at each end, you would
significantly reduce the chance of tear out of the wood between the holes
and the ends.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: SOLD - Cabanes for sale
> The cabanes are sold.
>
> I'm going to do a set of 4 laminated black walnut/hard maple cabanes and
would be glad to do some extra if anyone is interested. Mine will be
approximately 1" X 1 3/4" with 2 layers of carbon fiber imbedded. I'll do
the initial rough contour as shown in the pics but more sanding/shaping can
certainly be done if wanted.
>
> Should be plenty strong and all you have to do is drill the hole where you
want it.....
>
> Jim in Plano
>
> (I reduced the size of the attached pictures, hope it doesn't cause anyone
any download problems...)
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sorry, but I won't be at SNF this year. I'm saving my vacation to fly my
Piet to Brodhead and OSH this summer - assuming I can get it flying by then.
Put the third coat of silver on the wings this afternoon. Hope to have it
flying by the end of May.
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Grentzer
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 8:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun N Fun
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
I will be at the Sun N Fun fly-in next Thursday the 15th. I will stop in
at the woodworking tent.
Will anyone from the list be there on thurs? Jack Phillips will you be going
this year? If so I would like
to meet up with you again. Ed Grentzer do not archive
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Forget about all the talk and critics and lay that finish on. You will not
only make Brodhead but will be waiting for it to happen. Just keep working and
don't worry about what these EXPERTS think.
Corky, an expert in La.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
Ah, yes...the good ol' days, when I didn't have brakes (last spring), and
things were much simpler. Now I have quite a few more things to check on
pre-flight, items that might fail (if it ain't there, it can't fail), and I have
to carry this extra 6 or 7 pounds around on each flight. I use the brakes for
maybe 30 or 40 seconds on each flight - mag drop / run - up, and a little
stab here and there to taxi...that's it. I never use them to slow down.
Therefore at first thought, it seems they are just not worth having, especially
after
having oporated my plane without brakes for about 30 hours. It handled very
well with the tail skid, and no brakes...as long as it was on the grass. Taxi
on the hard surface, and it was like a fish out of water...limited or no
response to rudder input, and a small breeze on the tail would have its way.
One of the squawks I had to take care of, was a leaking master cylinder,
so I had to remove all the stuff under the front seat, and while I was in
there, I cleaned, sanded, cleaned, sanded, cleaned and re-varnished the front pit.
On the plus side, the oporation of the heel pedals, and break control is
very good, and fairly comfortable.
In conclusion, if you're going to do any cross country flying, where hard
surface oporation is inevitable, brakes and a tailwheel is are required
equipment, but they sure are a pain.
Chuck Gantzer
NX770CG
p.s. I have some really good digital pictures of my set up. If anyone wants
to see them, just e-mail me direct, and I'll e-mail you the pictures.
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