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1. 06:41 AM - Sun-N-Fun (LAWRENCE WILLIAMS)
2. 10:35 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun (Alex Sloan)
3. 05:13 PM - What kind of wheels? ()
4. 07:21 PM - Re: What kind of wheels? ()
5. 09:58 PM - Re: What kind of wheels? (Christian Bobka)
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Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:41:41 -0400
Seems like the cold and very windy weather kept a lot of folks from flying in to
Sun-N-Fun the first couple of days. I had to leave on Thursday a.m., so maybe
things improved for the weekend.
John Ficklen didn't get the time flown off his new Piet so he came in a motor home.
The only Piet to be on the grounds while I was there was Alan Wise's venerable
"Ol' Piet" with all the rustic touches that have been added over the years.
People still love to look at it and Alan (83 yrs. old) still loves to talk
to people about it and fly it to as many air shows and fly-ins as his wife will
allow.
I finished my condition inspection yesterday and am ready for the 2004 season.
I want to get to the SAA reunion in Urbana, Brodhead, OSH but ONLY if there is
a special tribute to Piets, MERFI, and a couple of local fly-ins. Of course the
promise of a pancake breakfast or other destinations that involve free/cheap
food can never be ignored. The plane looks to be in great shape in spite of
my efforts to test it's limits. For those of you who follow my exploits, I have
a good prop on the nose presently and another one in the duplicating machine
for a back-up. I seem to average one prop per annum! (Hope to break this streak
soon!!)
I hope to run into a lot of the listers at some of the fly-ins this season. It
will also be great to see some of the new Piets that are just coming on line.
Later-
Larry
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Lawrence,
Thanks for the Lakeland news. Had thought more Pietenpols would be there.
What year did you start flying yours?
Alex Sloan
----- Original Message -----
From: LAWRENCE WILLIAMS
To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 8:41 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun
Seems like the cold and very windy weather kept a lot of folks from flying in
to Sun-N-Fun the first couple of days. I had to leave on Thursday a.m., so maybe
things improved for the weekend.
John Ficklen didn't get the time flown off his new Piet so he came in a motor
home. The only Piet to be on the grounds while I was there was Alan Wise's venerable
"Ol' Piet" with all the rustic touches that have been added over the years.
People still love to look at it and Alan (83 yrs. old) still loves to talk
to people about it and fly it to as many air shows and fly-ins as his wife
will allow.
I finished my condition inspection yesterday and am ready for the 2004 season.
I want to get to the SAA reunion in Urbana, Brodhead, OSH but ONLY if there
is a special tribute to Piets, MERFI, and a couple of local fly-ins. Of course
the promise of a pancake breakfast or other destinations that involve free/cheap
food can never be ignored. The plane looks to be in great shape in spite of
my efforts to test it's limits. For those of you who follow my exploits, I have
a good prop on the nose presently and another one in the duplicating machine
for a back-up. I seem to average one prop per annum! (Hope to break this streak
soon!!)
I hope to run into a lot of the listers at some of the fly-ins this season. It
will also be great to see some of the new Piets that are just coming on line.
Later-
Larry
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| Subject: | What kind of wheels? |
What kind of wheels?
I had welded up the pipe V's and the axles, which
are 1.5 inch 4130 according to plans. Went to Harley
Davidson motorcycles and looked at wheels and after
looking, found all the axles are 5/8's.
Correspondence says some people using motorcycle
wheels were knocking out the ball bearings to meet the
shaft size on the plans and installing bushings. But
all stock wheels having bearings are 5/8's axle size.
My axle according to plans is 1.5 inch.
After a lot of store hopping in Miami area, Northern
Tools seems to have the best selection of wheels and
the ones that fit the plans are 9" x 19" as the plans
say. But they look awfully big? These are Go Kart
wheels. Not sure; so I went to Sun & Fun on Saturday
to look at wheels on different airplanes. The tire
saleman was explaining about 600 x 6 tires which are
much smaller at one of the sales booths. He says most
people use those even though they are only rated for
300 lbs each. But I was concerned about the weight of
1200 lbs or so hitting the ground on two tires, if I
inadvertantly dropped it in, from 6 feet or so when
stalling out. The tire size of 9" wide and 19"
diameter seem the right size according to the plans,
and from what I can gather to carry the weight
according to the salesman of tires. But a look around
the show at two seater aircraft of similar weights,
show they are all using smaller wheels on their
planes. Usually about 6" wide. More like big lawn
mower wheels. Those motorcycle wheels look too narrow
at Sun & Fun and the tubes are squished from weight
even when planes are parked.
Have to make a decision next week, whether to buy a
6" wide tire wheel, or a 9" wide tire wheel from
Northern Tools? The hubs have a big hole and four
bolt holes and I took an axle tube of 1.5 inches and
guess a washer or flange of some kind welded onto
another tube to slide on the axle would work in those
hubs? I picked up the next size up, in ordinary steel
tubing for a $1, for 5 ft of tube for my axle hubs at
the local hardware store. I only need about six
inches each for each hub to weld up to flanges to bolt
onto the central hole and bolt holes of the wheel hub.
But it's a bit slack the two tubes in standard sizes.
So I'm trying to figure out how to stick a bushing in
there between the two pipes? Then heavy grease! No
bearings.
Appreciate any comments on choice of wheels and
particularly sizes and the making of the hubs axle
tube using a greased bushing.
Ray Auxillou, Miami Gardens, Florida.
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| Subject: | Re: What kind of wheels? |
9" wide seems a bit too wide. Attached is a photo (280k file size) of
19 X 3.5 motorcycle wheels. These look about right. In the old days
these would be labeled 26 X 3.5
Hubs are built to Pavliga / Henderson plans and use
a 1 1/2 inch axle.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "grandpa Ray" <belizedevtrust@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: What kind of wheels?
>
> What kind of wheels?
>
> I had welded up the pipe V's and the axles, which
> are 1.5 inch 4130 according to plans. Went to Harley
> Davidson motorcycles and looked at wheels and after
> looking, found all the axles are 5/8's.
> Correspondence says some people using motorcycle
> wheels were knocking out the ball bearings to meet the
> shaft size on the plans and installing bushings. But
> all stock wheels having bearings are 5/8's axle size.
> My axle according to plans is 1.5 inch.
> After a lot of store hopping in Miami area, Northern
> Tools seems to have the best selection of wheels and
> the ones that fit the plans are 9" x 19" as the plans
> say. But they look awfully big? These are Go Kart
> wheels. Not sure; so I went to Sun & Fun on Saturday
> to look at wheels on different airplanes. The tire
> saleman was explaining about 600 x 6 tires which are
> much smaller at one of the sales booths. He says most
> people use those even though they are only rated for
> 300 lbs each. But I was concerned about the weight of
> 1200 lbs or so hitting the ground on two tires, if I
> inadvertantly dropped it in, from 6 feet or so when
> stalling out. The tire size of 9" wide and 19"
> diameter seem the right size according to the plans,
> and from what I can gather to carry the weight
> according to the salesman of tires. But a look around
> the show at two seater aircraft of similar weights,
> show they are all using smaller wheels on their
> planes. Usually about 6" wide. More like big lawn
> mower wheels. Those motorcycle wheels look too narrow
> at Sun & Fun and the tubes are squished from weight
> even when planes are parked.
> Have to make a decision next week, whether to buy a
> 6" wide tire wheel, or a 9" wide tire wheel from
> Northern Tools? The hubs have a big hole and four
> bolt holes and I took an axle tube of 1.5 inches and
> guess a washer or flange of some kind welded onto
> another tube to slide on the axle would work in those
> hubs? I picked up the next size up, in ordinary steel
> tubing for a $1, for 5 ft of tube for my axle hubs at
> the local hardware store. I only need about six
> inches each for each hub to weld up to flanges to bolt
> onto the central hole and bolt holes of the wheel hub.
> But it's a bit slack the two tubes in standard sizes.
> So I'm trying to figure out how to stick a bushing in
> there between the two pipes? Then heavy grease! No
> bearings.
> Appreciate any comments on choice of wheels and
> particularly sizes and the making of the hubs axle
> tube using a greased bushing.
>
> Ray Auxillou, Miami Gardens, Florida.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: What kind of wheels? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
A 6 x 6 4ply rated airplane tire is good on a ship up to a gross weight of
about 1800 lbs. A much heavier 6 ply rated 6 x 6 is good to about 3000 lbs.
gross weight. We are not talking wieght per axle but wieght of the ship.
The tire weight rating is printed right on the tire. The tire you are
proposing that is 9 inches wide is a tire for a big twin like a Twin Beech.
You will not be buying your tires from the airplane tire man unless you use
the 6 x 6 airplane wheels.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: What kind of wheels?
> 9" wide seems a bit too wide. Attached is a photo (280k file size) of
> 19 X 3.5 motorcycle wheels. These look about right. In the old days
> these would be labeled 26 X 3.5
> Hubs are built to Pavliga / Henderson plans and use
> a 1 1/2 inch axle.
>
> Greg Cardinal
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "grandpa Ray" <belizedevtrust@yahoo.co.uk>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 7:12 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: What kind of wheels?
>
>
> >
> > What kind of wheels?
> >
> > I had welded up the pipe V's and the axles, which
> > are 1.5 inch 4130 according to plans. Went to Harley
> > Davidson motorcycles and looked at wheels and after
> > looking, found all the axles are 5/8's.
> > Correspondence says some people using motorcycle
> > wheels were knocking out the ball bearings to meet the
> > shaft size on the plans and installing bushings. But
> > all stock wheels having bearings are 5/8's axle size.
> > My axle according to plans is 1.5 inch.
> > After a lot of store hopping in Miami area, Northern
> > Tools seems to have the best selection of wheels and
> > the ones that fit the plans are 9" x 19" as the plans
> > say. But they look awfully big? These are Go Kart
> > wheels. Not sure; so I went to Sun & Fun on Saturday
> > to look at wheels on different airplanes. The tire
> > saleman was explaining about 600 x 6 tires which are
> > much smaller at one of the sales booths. He says most
> > people use those even though they are only rated for
> > 300 lbs each. But I was concerned about the weight of
> > 1200 lbs or so hitting the ground on two tires, if I
> > inadvertantly dropped it in, from 6 feet or so when
> > stalling out. The tire size of 9" wide and 19"
> > diameter seem the right size according to the plans,
> > and from what I can gather to carry the weight
> > according to the salesman of tires. But a look around
> > the show at two seater aircraft of similar weights,
> > show they are all using smaller wheels on their
> > planes. Usually about 6" wide. More like big lawn
> > mower wheels. Those motorcycle wheels look too narrow
> > at Sun & Fun and the tubes are squished from weight
> > even when planes are parked.
> > Have to make a decision next week, whether to buy a
> > 6" wide tire wheel, or a 9" wide tire wheel from
> > Northern Tools? The hubs have a big hole and four
> > bolt holes and I took an axle tube of 1.5 inches and
> > guess a washer or flange of some kind welded onto
> > another tube to slide on the axle would work in those
> > hubs? I picked up the next size up, in ordinary steel
> > tubing for a $1, for 5 ft of tube for my axle hubs at
> > the local hardware store. I only need about six
> > inches each for each hub to weld up to flanges to bolt
> > onto the central hole and bolt holes of the wheel hub.
> > But it's a bit slack the two tubes in standard sizes.
> > So I'm trying to figure out how to stick a bushing in
> > there between the two pipes? Then heavy grease! No
> > bearings.
> > Appreciate any comments on choice of wheels and
> > particularly sizes and the making of the hubs axle
> > tube using a greased bushing.
> >
> > Ray Auxillou, Miami Gardens, Florida.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________________________________
> > your friends today! Download Messenger Now
> > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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