---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/30/04: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:24 AM - Re: Piet For Sale (hjarrett) 2. 06:55 AM - Re: Piet For Sale (At7000ft@aol.com) 3. 07:33 AM - what are the broad head dates?? (Douwe Blumberg) 4. 08:02 AM - Re: Piet For Sale (John Ford) 5. 08:33 AM - brs and insurance (Les Schubert) 6. 08:49 AM - Cub brake master cyl - RH (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 7. 08:49 AM - Re: what are the broad head dates?? (John Ford) 8. 11:10 AM - Re: Cub brake master cyl - RH (Jim Markle) 9. 11:15 AM - Re: brs and insurance (Fmetcalfe) 10. 12:51 PM - EAA helping Ohio aircraft owners (Michael D Cuy) 11. 01:12 PM - Re: EAA helping Ohio aircraft owners (DJ Vegh) 12. 03:09 PM - Re: Cub brake master cyl - RH (Jack Phillips) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:40 AM PST US From: "hjarrett" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet For Sale --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "hjarrett" It's important to note that when an aviator gets into trouble the threat he fears isn't reprimand, fine or incarceration, it's loss of his ticket. The FAA knows very well what is valuable to the pilot and THAT is what they enforce with. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ford" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet For Sale > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" > > I think I'd be inclined to agree with you guys. When I lived in Alaska > I used to hear stories about bush pilots who were seriously considering > getting a pilot's license at some point.. ;) What's the worst thing > that could happen? They could ground you? > > John > > John Ford > john@indstate.edu > 812-237-8542 > > > >>> At7000ft@aol.com Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:31:02 AM >>> > As John Dilatush (and I) would say, screw the FAA, fly it anyway. > > Rick H > Am offering NX41CC for sale. Have about given up on the Sport Pilot > rule. > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:27 AM PST US From: At7000ft@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet For Sale DJ I was not thinking of a zero time unlicensed person off the street jumping in an airplane and flying. I was thinking more of people in my position which I think matches many of the people on this list, that is people with hundreds to thousands of flight hours (~2000 in my case) and no medical. I have the drivers license already, so given that I have a piece of paper in my pocket that says Sport Pilot going to make it less likely that I will fly my plane into a house? You are correct that the insurance issue could be a problem, everyone have to make their own decision on that facet of it. Rick H. Mark Jones (KR-2 extrordinaire)... or maybe it was Mark Langford... I can't remember now, posted on the Corvair list a couple weeks back that he was able to get insurance without difficulty on a Corvair powered KR-2. It can be done... albeit you pay for it. I just know that if some dude slammed his homebuilt into my house or my car and he had no insurance because he wasn't even supposed to be flying, I'd be REALLY REALLY REALLY ticked off. With the logic of "fly it anyways" why the hell even bother with a private pilots license?? wanna fly a multi?? hell....don't spend all that dough on a multi rating... no way man... just fly that twin. Hey... how about taking up that Lear 45 for a quick spin huh? of course I'm taking it to the extreme.....also keep in mind I live in a densely populated area. maybe some back country farmland with not a person or property within miles may persuade me to think otherwise. thats my story and I'm stickin to it. DJ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:09 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: what are the broad head dates?? Hey guys, What are broadhead dates this year? Also, I was looking at some WWI photos and noticed that some of the german planes with axle landing geat used long springs wrapped instead of bungee cord. I've heard a couple people break their bungees, some too old, but one new stuff. Anybody have any thoughts? It looked like the same dimensions as bungee, just light spring instead. Would only have to worry about corrosion instead of rubber rotting. Also, the project I bought has no place for the lap belt. Where do you guys affix it. Already gone over the shoulder harness deal earlier. Douwe ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:36 AM PST US From: "John Ford" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet For Sale --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" DJ, and everybody else... I probably should've included the condition that the pilotage occur over non-populated areas. I don't disagree with you. If Corky plows into the side of my house, then my wife's gonna be PO'd. I will suffer through the consequences of that, happy in the knowledge that Corky finally got to fly again and deeply respectful of his iron butt if he makes it from Louisiana to Indiana in his Piet. Yes, it would be a hugely difficult mess, but no more difficult than if someone from the local flight school were to do it (someone there has a habit of practicing 90-degree banks in a retractable Cessna at low altitude right over my house and very close to a 500 foot radio tower). That's why I have insurance. On a somewhat related note, there is no insurance in the world that would make me want to fly over that Louisiana swampland. I can't tell you how creeped-out I am about snakes... John John Ford john@indstate.edu 812-237-8542 >>> djv@imagedv.com Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:26:21 PM > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:23 AM PST US From: Les Schubert Subject: Pietenpol-List: brs and insurance --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Les Schubert One final comment on the BRS debate: 1. Some of the objectors remind me of the auto industry in the 50's and 60's. In 56 Ford put in seat belts and their sales fell. Was it because competitive brand salesmen said "Well you want to be careful buying a Ford as they might not be safe considering they are making seat belts standard equipment". So Ford stopped putting seat belts in 58. I wonder how many people died unnecessarily by seat belts being delayed 10 years until it was government mandated??? 2. People should remember that liability insurance is for the survivors, whether they are your heirs or the innocent victims you hit. I fully sympathize with a pilot who can't pass medical and I will reach that age all to soon. Hopefully your sport pilot rules will come to pass in a reasonable time in a fashion that makes sense. In the meantime I will register my Piet as a ultralight which will allow me possibly to reduce those limitations when the time comes. My opinion is that if you are allowed to drive a 25,000 lb motorhome down the freeway a 75 mph you should be able to fly your 1000# Piet. Seems to me the risk to society is considerably less. Les ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:51 AM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cub brake master cyl - RH --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com Dear Group, I am needing a right brake master cylinder/pedal assembly from a J3Cub. (mfg. by Scott) This is all I need to complete my brake system. Thanks in advance. :) Terry L. Bowden ph 254-715-4773 fax 254-853-3805 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:59 AM PST US From: "John Ford" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: what are the broad head dates?? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" Douwe, Brodhead is July 23, 24 and 25... John John Ford john@indstate.edu 812-237-8542 >>> douweblumberg@earthlink.net Friday, April 30, 2004 9:41:02 AM >>> Hey guys, What are broadhead dates this year? ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:21 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cub brake master cyl - RH --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle I don't have the pedal but I do have a couple of cylinders I won't be using.....may or may not work....maybe you could stop by and check them out? :-) See you on Tuesday..... -----Original Message----- From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cub brake master cyl - RH --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com Dear Group, I am needing a right brake master cylinder/pedal assembly from a J3Cub. (mfg. by Scott) This is all I need to complete my brake system. Thanks in advance. :) Terry L. Bowden ph 254-715-4773 fax 254-853-3805 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:32 AM PST US From: "Fmetcalfe" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: brs and insurance --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Fmetcalfe" You cant register a Piet as a ultralight , Frist theres is no Ultrlight Registeration other than EAA and USULA and That means nothing to the FAA. Second a 103 two seat trainer exemption the aircraft has to be below 490 LBS, less than 10 Gal of fuel. so you will have to bulid it real lite. You'll just have to not regester it at all and fly it illeagely. From: "Les Schubert" Subject: Pietenpol-List: brs and insurance > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Les Schubert > > One final comment on the BRS debate: > 1. Some of the objectors remind me of the auto industry in the 50's and > 60's. In 56 Ford put in seat belts and their sales fell. Was it because > competitive brand salesmen said "Well you want to be careful buying a Ford > as they might not be safe considering they are making seat belts standard > equipment". So Ford stopped putting seat belts in 58. I wonder how many > people died unnecessarily by seat belts being delayed 10 years until it was > government mandated??? > 2. People should remember that liability insurance is for the survivors, > whether they are your heirs or the innocent victims you hit. I fully > sympathize with a pilot who can't pass medical and I will reach that age > all to soon. Hopefully your sport pilot rules will come to pass in a > reasonable time in a fashion that makes sense. In the meantime I will > register my Piet as a ultralight which will allow me possibly to reduce > those limitations when the time comes. My opinion is that if you are > allowed to drive a 25,000 lb motorhome down the freeway a 75 mph you should > be able to fly your 1000# Piet. Seems to me the risk to society is > considerably less. > Les > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:39 PM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA helping Ohio aircraft owners --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy If you live in Ohio and own an airplane the yearly registration fee (TAX) jumped to $100 per airplane no matter if you fly a singe-seat RV-3 or a multi-seat Gulfstream business jet. It used to be per seat at something like $6 per seat. EAA has worked with our Ohio State legislature to include a measure that would tax us at $15 per seat rather than the $100 per aircraft rule that is now in place. Sometimes get a little cynical about how big EAA has become, but in this case I have to applaud them for helping us get off our butts and challenge this dramatic increase. For anyone who wants to read the Ohio E-Alert read the text below. do not archive Mike C. > On March 12, 2004, EAA sent you the following e-Alert concerning the aircraft registration tax for aircraft registered in Ohio - it went from $3.00 per aircraft to $100.00 per aircraft, no matter what it's size. Based on your input, the Ohio Senate has now introduced Senate Bill 230 to change the registration tax from a flat $100.00 per aircraft to $15.00 per seat - http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=125_SB_230. > > The next step is up to you. Call or e-mail your local state representative, using the links provided below, and let him/her know that you support this proposed change. > > Original e-Alert: > > "EAA is providing this legislative e-Alert to you as a member service. > > As you are aware, the FY 2004-2005 General Revenue Budget Bill (HB 95) that was passed in 2003 by the Ohio 125th General Assembly changed the Ohio state aircraft registration license tax to $100.00 dollars per aircraft, regardless of size. Prior to this bill aircraft registration was based on a per-seat fee of $3.00. > > Several EAA members in the state voiced their concern that a small single seat aircraft like an Preceptor N-3 Pup, a Rans S-14 Airaile, a Mooney Mite or a Pitts Special would pay the same registration fee as a 18 seat Gulfstream G550. EAA agrees that the fee modification is not equitable. > > We have learned from our discussion with the state DOT and EAA members in the state that alternate language has been submitted to the Ohio legislature that would change the appropriate section of HB 95 (Section 4561.18). That change would create a more equitable registration fee of $15.00 per-seat. > > This corrected language has not been able to make it into the Capital Bill (the legislative tool for making this type of technical change) due to lack of support. > > EAA is urging you to call or e-mail your local state Representatives and ask them to support the state DOT Aviation departments request to add to the Capitol Bill the Section 4561.18 change which would modify the aircraft registration fee from $100 per aircraft to $15.00 per-seat. Contact information for your local State Representatives may be found in your phone book or on this state web site: http://www.house.state.oh.us/jsps/SearchbyName.jsp > > In addition to your local state legislator, we also urge you to contact the Speaker of the House, Larry Householder, as he has oversight control of what goes into the Capitol Bill this session. Speaker Householder may be reached by e-mail: district91@ohr.state.oh.us or by calling (614) 466-2575. > Any questions concerning the proposed change should be addressed by calling the State DOT Aviation Administrator, Rudy Rudolph, at 614-793-5041. > EAA encourages you to take immediate action as this change will help general aviation in the great state of Ohio." > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:50 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: EAA helping Ohio aircraft owners Did the AOPA jump on this?? $100 per aircraft no matter the seats? insane. hmmmm under the old rules, would a cargo jet like a DC-10 only pay $9? :) DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA helping Ohio aircraft owners --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy If you live in Ohio and own an airplane the yearly registration fee (TAX) jumped to $100 per airplane no matter if you fly a singe-seat RV-3 or a multi-seat Gulfstream business jet. It used to be per seat at something like $6 per seat. EAA has worked with our Ohio State legislature to include a measure that would tax us at $15 per seat rather than the $100 per aircraft rule that is now in place. Sometimes get a little cynical about how big EAA has become, but in this case I have to applaud them for helping us get off our butts and challenge this dramatic increase. For anyone who wants to read the Ohio E-Alert read the text below. do not archive Mike C. > On March 12, 2004, EAA sent you the following e-Alert concerning the aircraft registration tax for aircraft registered in Ohio - it went from $3.00 per aircraft to $100.00 per aircraft, no matter what it's size. Based on your input, the Ohio Senate has now introduced Senate Bill 230 to change the registration tax from a flat $100.00 per aircraft to $15.00 per seat - http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID125_SB_230. > > The next step is up to you. Call or e-mail your local state representative, using the links provided below, and let him/her know that you support this proposed change. > > Original e-Alert: > > "EAA is providing this legislative e-Alert to you as a member service. > > As you are aware, the FY 2004-2005 General Revenue Budget Bill (HB 95) that was passed in 2003 by the Ohio 125th General Assembly changed the Ohio state aircraft registration license tax to $100.00 dollars per aircraft, regardless of size. Prior to this bill aircraft registration was based on a per-seat fee of $3.00. > > Several EAA members in the state voiced their concern that a small single seat aircraft like an Preceptor N-3 Pup, a Rans S-14 Airaile, a Mooney Mite or a Pitts Special would pay the same registration fee as a 18 seat Gulfstream G550. EAA agrees that the fee modification is not equitable. > > We have learned from our discussion with the state DOT and EAA members in the state that alternate language has been submitted to the Ohio legislature that would change the appropriate section of HB 95 (Section 4561.18). That change would create a more equitable registration fee of $15.00 per-seat. > > This corrected language has not been able to make it into the Capital Bill (the legislative tool for making this type of technical change) due to lack of support. > > EAA is urging you to call or e-mail your local state Representatives and ask them to support the state DOT Aviation departments request to add to the Capitol Bill the Section 4561.18 change which would modify the aircraft registration fee from $100 per aircraft to $15.00 per-seat. Contact information for your local State Representatives may be found in your phone book or on this state web site: http://www.house.state.oh.us/jsps/SearchbyName.jsp > > In addition to your local state legislator, we also urge you to contact the Speaker of the House, Larry Householder, as he has oversight control of what goes into the Capitol Bill this session. Speaker Householder may be reached by e-mail: district91@ohr.state.oh.us or by calling (614) 466-2575. > Any questions concerning the proposed change should be addressed by calling the State DOT Aviation Administrator, Rudy Rudolph, at 614-793-5041. > EAA encourages you to take immediate action as this change will help general aviation in the great state of Ohio." > = This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for viewing by Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more information on an anti-virus email solution, visit . ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:40 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cub brake master cyl - RH --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" Got a left one I'll sell cheap (there are a lot more left ones around than right ones, because they were used as the Johnson bar master cylinder in the Tri-Pacer) Jack Phillips -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BARNSTMR@aol.com Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 11:50 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cub brake master cyl - RH --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com Dear Group, I am needing a right brake master cylinder/pedal assembly from a J3Cub. (mfg. by Scott) This is all I need to complete my brake system. Thanks in advance. :) Terry L. Bowden ph 254-715-4773 fax 254-853-3805