---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/14/04: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:36 AM - Re: Costs of Fabric Covering (Bill Church) 2. 09:59 AM - Re: Re: Costs of Fabric Covering (Eric Williams) 3. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: Costs of Fabric Covering (Jim Markle) 4. 10:50 AM - Re: Searching for Pietenpol People (malcolm Zirges) 5. 11:15 AM - Re: Re: Costs of Fabric Covering (BARNSTMR@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:36:45 AM PST US From: Bill Church Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Costs of Fabric Covering --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Bill Church This reply is coming from the voice of inexperience, as I have never attempted to spray latex. But I have read that in order to successfully spray latex, you must add FLOETROL, which I have seen on the shelves at Home Depot. I have also read that an acceptable, and very readily available and inexpensive alternative to FLOETROL is ordinary automotive windshield washer fluid. If anyone out there knows if this is true or, more importantly, false, please let everyone else know, as I would rather not be the spreader of falsehoods. As I said before, I read it, I didn't make it up. Bill -----Original Message----- --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe It's a bit of a pain, it needs an additive to keep from clogging up the spray gun. Latex brushes on beautifully anyway. At7000ft@aol.com wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com > > Steve > > Why is it best not to spray latex paint? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > In 1997 I used Sherwin Williams gloss house paint. No problems with > fading or cracking. It even spent two years outside. I'd do it again, > just not with an airless sprayer in 85 degree weather. Brush or roll in > cool weather, and it rivals poly fiber. As for repairability, I just > got my first chance to try it and I'll let you know. Minor touch-ups > have been invisible after a week. I did it because I was young and poor > at the time. I'd do it again because it has stood up fine, and it is > cheap. > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:59:31 AM PST US From: "Eric Williams" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: RE: Costs of Fabric Covering --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams" I just went through this while painting my house. I bought a Campbell-Hausfeld HVLP spray gun that said it was specifically for spraying latex paints. It was about $55 at Lowes. I added the Floetrol as directed... and it didn't work. I added water to thin it... and it didn't work. I finally had to add so much water to get it to spray that it was just too thin in my opinion. It sprayed real nice for only about 20 seconds, then the tip would clog up and I had to stop and clean it. Very frustrating. I ended up painting the whole house with a brush (my wife did most of it actually). I did follow the directions in the HVLP gun manual to the letter and also went through a lot of trial and error with the air pressure, etc. but just couldn't get it to work for more than the 20 seconds. >From: Bill Church >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >To: "'pietenpol-list@matronics.com'" >Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Costs of Fabric Covering >Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 12:36:50 -0400 > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Bill Church > >This reply is coming from the voice of inexperience, as I have never >attempted to spray latex. But I have read that in order to successfully >spray latex, you must add FLOETROL, which I have seen on the shelves at >Home >Depot. I have also read that an acceptable, and very readily available and >inexpensive alternative to FLOETROL is ordinary automotive windshield >washer >fluid. If anyone out there knows if this is true or, more importantly, >false, please let everyone else know, as I would rather not be the spreader >of falsehoods. As I said before, I read it, I didn't make it up. > >Bill > > >-----Original Message----- > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe > >It's a bit of a pain, it needs an additive to keep from clogging up the >spray gun. Latex brushes on beautifully anyway. > >At7000ft@aol.com wrote: > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com > > > > Steve > > > > Why is it best not to spray latex paint? > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > In 1997 I used Sherwin Williams gloss house paint. No problems with > > fading or cracking. It even spent two years outside. I'd do it again, > > just not with an airless sprayer in 85 degree weather. Brush or roll in > > cool weather, and it rivals poly fiber. As for repairability, I just > > got my first chance to try it and I'll let you know. Minor touch-ups > > have been invisible after a week. I did it because I was young and poor > > at the time. I'd do it again because it has stood up fine, and it is > > cheap. > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:58 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: RE: Costs of Fabric Covering --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" I've done a lot of HVLP spraying with Latex and Floetrol and it worked fine. Setup/mixtures/tip sizes/etc were a bit critical but after it's setup, it works well. But the more I think about Steve's E.'s comment about using a roller/brush.....the better I like it..... I think I'll limit my latex/HVLP jobs to house trim and Adirondak chairs...... jm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Williams" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: RE: Costs of Fabric Covering > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams" > > I just went through this while painting my house. I bought a > Campbell-Hausfeld HVLP spray gun that said it was specifically for spraying > latex paints. It was about $55 at Lowes. I added the Floetrol as > directed... and it didn't work. I added water to thin it... and it didn't > work. I finally had to add so much water to get it to spray that it was > just too thin in my opinion. It sprayed real nice for only about 20 > seconds, then the tip would clog up and I had to stop and clean it. Very > frustrating. I ended up painting the whole house with a brush (my wife did > most of it actually). > > I did follow the directions in the HVLP gun manual to the letter and also > went through a lot of trial and error with the air pressure, etc. but just > couldn't get it to work for more than the 20 seconds. > > > >From: Bill Church > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >To: "'pietenpol-list@matronics.com'" > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Costs of Fabric Covering > >Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 12:36:50 -0400 > > > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Bill Church > > > >This reply is coming from the voice of inexperience, as I have never > >attempted to spray latex. But I have read that in order to successfully > >spray latex, you must add FLOETROL, which I have seen on the shelves at > >Home > >Depot. I have also read that an acceptable, and very readily available and > >inexpensive alternative to FLOETROL is ordinary automotive windshield > >washer > >fluid. If anyone out there knows if this is true or, more importantly, > >false, please let everyone else know, as I would rather not be the spreader > >of falsehoods. As I said before, I read it, I didn't make it up. > > > >Bill > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: dave rowe > > > >It's a bit of a pain, it needs an additive to keep from clogging up the > >spray gun. Latex brushes on beautifully anyway. > > > >At7000ft@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > Why is it best not to spray latex paint? > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > In 1997 I used Sherwin Williams gloss house paint. No problems with > > > fading or cracking. It even spent two years outside. I'd do it again, > > > just not with an airless sprayer in 85 degree weather. Brush or roll in > > > cool weather, and it rivals poly fiber. As for repairability, I just > > > got my first chance to try it and I'll let you know. Minor touch-ups > > > have been invisible after a week. I did it because I was young and poor > > > at the time. I'd do it again because it has stood up fine, and it is > > > cheap. > > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:50:03 AM PST US From: "malcolm Zirges" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Searching for Pietenpol People --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "malcolm Zirges" Hello. I don't seem to be on the list, but I have been building a Piet since 1969 and have it all framed up and ready to assemble. I have only been to Brodhead the last few years so don't know many of the Piet "gang" personally. Cordially, Mac Zirges in Oregon macz@macsells.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Searching for Pietenpol People > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > Group, > I'm still trying to contact everyone I can, to see if they would like to be > included in the 'Pietenpol Infomation List'. I got most of these names from > Doc Mosher's 'Pietenpol Owner Directory'. It's a long list. Please e-mail me > direct, if you know the e-mail address of any of these people. > > Names I need e-mail for: > Dick Alkire > Mark Anderson > Ken Anderson > Raffaele (Domenic) Bellissimo > Tom Brown > William Conway > Tim Cunningham > Owen Davies > Richard DeCosta > Bill Emo > DL Grammont > John Greenlee > Dennis Hall > Jeff Hill > Chad Johnson > Ron Kaser > Brian Kenny > Jim Kensella > Bill Knight > John Langston > michael list > Frank Lowell > Jim Malley > Tim Mickle > Paul Morton > Larry Neal > Frank Pavliga > Matt Paxton > Kyle Ray > J R Reber > Bill Rewey > Lee Schiek > David B. Schober > Bob Seibert > Warren Shoun > Brad Schultz > Mehlin Smith > Hank Stein > Randy Stockberger > Alan Swanson > Bill Talbert > Duane woolsey > Leo Powning > Simon MacCormack > Doug Reeve > Doug CGCGJ > Garth Upton > Leo Ponton > Claude Plathey > James V Vahary > Mike Lisenbra > Scott Liefield > Richard W Franklin > Michael A Jewett > Carl R Adams > Thomas e. Bowdler > Earl M. 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Hubbard > Gail Acrft Engrg Co. > Timothy W. Sefcik > Harvey Planes LLC > Lavaun M. Raaf > Richard D. Tichy > Lewis A Jennings > Joseph Farkas > William S. Knight > Richard M. Carpenter > John L. Overholser > Joyce A. Hunt > Harry K. Olsson > Allan Mirkin > Andrew C. Pietenpol > James O Kearns > Robin J. Passley > Ryan G. Shepherd > Don Schexnayder > EAA Chapter 827 > Stephen Miller > Thomas E. Bowdler > Robert S. Nevin Jr. > Thomas P. Paiement > Richard Farwell > Dream Aircraft Inc. (Clyde Buckley) > Brad R. Schultz > Craig R. Lawler > Warren D. Bliss > Deward D. Peterson > David E. Jones > Richard E. Wood > Edward L. Sigman > Maryann Dunn > John M. Greenlee > Joseph T. Kohler > Ronald L. Jansen > Melvin Green > Theodore H. Bradley > Tim Cunningham > Thomas E. Fahy > Dennis J. Heiny > James E. Marshall > Feffrey L. Austin > Regis J. Fisher > James L. Belknap > Thomas A. Baker > Robert H. Miller > Lawrence C. Kropp > Rodney L. Schrader > Elmer C. Church > Walter I. 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Kile > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:19 AM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: RE: Costs of Fabric Covering --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com In a message dated 5/14/2004 12:56:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ewilliams805@msn.com writes: > I ended up painting the whole house with a brush (my wife > did > most of it actually). ---------------------------------------------- DO NOT ARCHIVE If your wife is anything like mine, I can just see me farting around with a malfunctioning spray rig for hours on end...all the while my wife is methodically brushing and rolling her way around the whole house. In the end, I can just see me a frusrated sweaty mess...and her freshly showered and dressed telling me... "I am done, honey... I am now off to Target and supper with my friend, Jenny." What can I say?... "yes dear... here's the credit card." Lesson here: Paint and supplies: $325 HVLP equipment: $490 Credit card charges at Target: $375 Dosen Roses: $75 Smirk on the Lowe's manager's face on Monday as I bring the equipment back asking for refund.... PRICELESS DO NOT ARCHIVE Terry B