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1. 05:15 AM - Re: Parts List - Aircraft Spruce & Specialty (Textor, Jack)
2. 08:08 AM - A65 engine mount (Les Schubert)
3. 08:55 AM - Re: A65 engine mount (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
4. 10:27 AM - Re: Parts List - Aircraft Spruce & Specialty (Michael D Cuy)
5. 11:03 AM - Re: Parts List - Aircraft Spruce & Specialty (Michael D Cuy)
6. 11:34 AM - Re: Parts List - Aircraft Spruce & Specialty (DJ Vegh)
7. 12:06 PM - GN-1 For Sale near Waco TX (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
8. 12:18 PM - Re: Parts List - Aircraft Spruce & Specialty (Stacy Clark)
9. 12:39 PM - Re: Parts List - Aircraft Spruce & Specialty (John Ford)
10. 12:39 PM - Re: Parts List - Aircraft Spruce & Specialty (Larry Ragan)
11. 12:44 PM - Re: Parts List - Aircraft Spruce & Specialty (Stacy Clark)
12. 03:12 PM - Re: A65 engine mount (walt evans)
13. 06:11 PM - Re: Parts List - Aircraft Spruce & Specialty (Stacy Clark)
14. 06:16 PM - Re: Parts List - Aircraft Spruce & Specialty (Stacy Clark)
15. 06:20 PM - Re: Parts List - Aircraft Spruce & Specialty (Stacy Clark)
16. 08:13 PM - Re: A65 engine mount (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Parts List - Aircraft Spruce & Specialty |
Stacy,
What a beautiful picture of your proposed supercamper. How did you
produce it?
Jack
Des Moines, IA
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| Subject: | A65 engine mount |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Les Schubert <leskarin@telus.net>
I was amazed to read here a few days ago about how far ahead people are
having to move the A65 to get the C of G in range. I had already built the
engine mount to the Pietenpol plan and now see this might be a problem. I
am tall and not a little guy (235#) so if a 195# person balances better
with the engine 9" ahead I suppose I will be looking for about a 12"
relocation. I am building it as a single place as there is no room for a
passenger in front. Any advice would be appreciated.
Les
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| Subject: | Re: A65 engine mount |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Moving the wing position back 2 or 3 inches so that the cabanes tilt aft is one
thing that will help. I am trying to avoid that with my airplane. Another thing
you might consider is a large nose fuel tank. This will help when it is
near full, but not near empty. Another thing is pay close attention to the tail
weight during building. Don't use excessive varnish, don't use heavy hardware
and turnbuckles on tail wires. Go with a light-weight tailwheel. Some guys
use the lightweight fabric on tailfethers to keep the weight down.
I highly recommend going through the process of computing preliminary weight and
balance as early as you can get good estimates of weights of major components.
It seems like no two Pietenpol builders end up with the same CG and weight
circumstances. So its best to tailor your design as needed to keep your CG at
the 1/4 to 1/3 chord.
Terry B
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| Subject: | Re: Parts List - Aircraft Spruce & Specialty |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Stacy-- your graphics are really clean, very nice. You and DJ Vegh should
get along great ! He's a another wiz on the computer AND in the workshop.
Mike C.
PS-- $500 per month for a hangar in Alaska ? I'd have to live in it for
that much of an expense and to be able to afford to build/fly at the same
time. Hangars here are going for $130 to about $200. (for a tee hangar)
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| Subject: | Re: Parts List - Aircraft Spruce & Specialty |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Stacy-- your graphics are really clean, very nice. You and DJ Vegh should
get along great ! He's a another wiz on the computer AND in the workshop.
Mike C.
PS-- $500 per month for a hangar in Alaska ? I'd have to live in it for
that much of an expense and to be able to afford to build/fly at the same
time. Hangars here are going for $130 to about $200. (for a tee hangar)
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| Subject: | Re: Parts List - Aircraft Spruce & Specialty |
yeah I saw that rendering. nicely done!
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael D Cuy
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Parts List - Aircraft Spruce & Specialty
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Stacy-- your graphics are really clean, very nice. You and DJ Vegh should
get along great ! He's a another wiz on the computer AND in the workshop.
Mike C.
PS-- $500 per month for a hangar in Alaska ? I'd have to live in it for
that much of an expense and to be able to afford to build/fly at the same
time. Hangars here are going for $130 to about $200. (for a tee hangar)
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| Subject: | GN-1 For Sale near Waco TX |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
There's an A65 powered GN1 listed on Barnstormers.com. I saw the airplane about
a year ago. Its a fairly straight looking bird...rough finish tho. The ad
is pasted below. I don't know the owner, but I talked with him on the phone.
I am going to try and go look at it one evening next week after work.
Mr. Norwood said he'll take $7000 for it. The LH wing is damaged from him running
into the hangar door. Spar supposedly OK. I will take my digital camera
and take pics if anyone's interested in it. He says that he bought the airplane
from an A&P in Kansas named Mr. Duvolt, who taught his son to fly in it.
The original builder was a Mr. Alan Slicer (not sure where from) in 1986.
Anyway.... I will try to report back what I see next week.
*******************************
PIETENPOL GN-1 AIRCAMPER FOR SALE Pietenpol GN-1 Aircamper Continental A65 300
hrs on airframe(1986); about 150 hrs since engine overhaul A/C weighs 649 Gross
wt 1149. No electrical. Req'd instr. Damaged Lt wing tip-five nose ribs and
three 1/4 in rib strips. Have leading edge and req'd wood. Tennessee prop 12
g tank Waco TX $7000 Contact Morris Norwood - located Lorena, TX USA Telephone:
254-881-2150 Posted May 20, 2004
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| Subject: | Re: Parts List - Aircraft Spruce & Specialty |
Jack,
Thanks. I made the image using the side picture in the three-way drawing someone
had scaned from the plans. I then just basically colored it with a program
called Paint Shop Pro 7 which I have found to be a wonderful program. Don't
know if any of you would know this but I used to have a company called PROPELLERhead
Simulation Software. I used to make instrument panels and aircraft for
Microsoft Flight Simulator.
Attached is a picture of the Belle with the Model A engine which because of the
logistics of the flight just wouldn't be practical to use :-(
Stacy
Bethel, Alaska
There is only one greater thing than to believe in the impossible...and that is
to achieve it -- Stacy Clark
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| Subject: | Re: Parts List - Aircraft Spruce & Specialty |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
You're going to mount tundra tires on it, aren't you? I can imagine the
looks on the SuperCub guys' faces when a Pietenpol plops down on their
favorite sand bar.. :)
John
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> stacy@unicom-alaska.com Friday, May 21, 2004 2:15:06 PM >>>
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| Subject: | Parts List - Aircraft Spruce & Specialty |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Larry Ragan" <lragan@hotmail.com>
Nice image Stacey. It's now my office computer wallpaper.
Larry Ragan
Jacksonville, Fl.
lragan@hotmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Parts List - Aircraft Spruce & Specialty |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Stacy Clark" <stacy@unicom-alaska.com>
Mike,
Thanks, yea I've seen DJ's site. As far as the hanger, believe me I sure
didn't want to pay that much but prices are what they are up here and
hangers are very hard to come by. Milk's $7.00 a gallon to give you an
idea. It would have been $450.00 but I lost the coin toss. I'll move into
the hanger in July. I chose it because it's right below the tower (which is
where I spend most of my time), it's heated, I can store my snowmobile there
(which I ride to work in the winter), and they've got pretty much everything
but an english wheel in there. It also comes with and A&P that happens to
look like Santa Claus and you can bet I'm going to milk that angle for all
it's worth since I'm doing this for the kids at St. Jude. Santa also has a
ton of aircraft engines... And, the co-owner of the hanger has a bunch of
Model A engines -- talk about coincidence.
Stacy
Bethel, Alaska
There is only one greater thing than to believe in the impossible...and that
is to achieve it -- Stacy Clark
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| Subject: | Re: A65 engine mount |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Les,
I run around 210/220, and I made the mount about 2" longer on the long fuse.
Had to move wing back 3" to just get into the CG window.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Schubert" <leskarin@telus.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A65 engine mount
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Les Schubert <leskarin@telus.net>
>
> I was amazed to read here a few days ago about how far ahead people are
> having to move the A65 to get the C of G in range. I had already built the
> engine mount to the Pietenpol plan and now see this might be a problem. I
> am tall and not a little guy (235#) so if a 195# person balances better
> with the engine 9" ahead I suppose I will be looking for about a 12"
> relocation. I am building it as a single place as there is no room for a
> passenger in front. Any advice would be appreciated.
> Les
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Parts List - Aircraft Spruce & Specialty |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Stacy Clark" <stacy@unicom-alaska.com>
John,
Yep, I've definitely thought about it, thought about wheels/skis combination
too.
Stacy
There is only one greater thing than to believe in the impossible...and that
is to achieve it -- Stacy Clark
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| Subject: | Re: Parts List - Aircraft Spruce & Specialty |
Larry,
Wow! Thanks! Here's the wallpaper I use (made it with Paint Shop Pro from an
online image)...
Stacy :-)
There is only one greater thing than to believe in the impossible...and that is
to achieve it -- Stacy Clark
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| Subject: | Re: Parts List - Aircraft Spruce & Specialty |
DJ,
Thanks :-) I thought I saw your aircraft up on eBay, are you doing another?
Stacy
There is only one greater thing than to believe in the impossible...and that is
to achieve it -- Stacy Clark
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| Subject: | Re: A65 engine mount |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 5/21/04 10:08:51 AM Central Daylight Time,
leskarin@telus.net writes:
<< I was amazed to read here a few days ago about how far ahead people are
having to move the A65 to get the C of G in range. >>
Les,
I have Short Fuse, Continental A65, I weigh 210 lbs., Engine Mount 8" longer
than plans, Wing tilted back 3 1/2", Empty weight 630 lbs. All loading
conditions are in C. G. range. At minimum fuel in the cowl tank, I am right on
the aft C. G. limit.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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