---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/26/04: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:10 AM - CG (Douwe Blumberg) 2. 06:50 AM - Hidden message (Wbeevans) 3. 07:06 AM - nice web site & photos, Bert C. (Michael D Cuy) 4. 08:22 AM - Re: Trailing Edge (Hodgson, Mark O) 5. 09:14 AM - school bus passes a Pietenpol in Wisconsin (Michael D Cuy) 6. 10:56 AM - Re: school bus passes a Pietenpol in Wisconsin (jimboyer@direcway.com) 7. 12:02 PM - Suppliers for a Prop (Norman Stapelberg) 8. 01:20 PM - Re: Suppliers for a Prop (DJ Vegh) 9. 02:27 PM - Re: CG (walt evans) 10. 07:13 PM - Re: Moving from Benton (James Dallas) 11. 09:52 PM - Re: C of G with A65 (Rcaprd@aol.com) 12. 10:17 PM - Re: CG (Rcaprd@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:32 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: CG Any thoughts on this one? My Piet has an "A" engine, which sits on wooden rails. I havn't drilled the rails for the engine bolts yet and I got to thinking. Why couldn't I put that off until the plane was finished, then prop it up under the CG and move the engine until it balanced perfectly, then drill. Would it make a difference if I propped it up under the wing or set it on something narrow and padded under a point on the fuselage which corresponded to the CG?? Douwe ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:56 AM PST US From: "Wbeevans" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hidden message text_document.scr DNA: do not archive Its-Bogus: do not forward to list --- MIME Errors --- A message with no text/plain section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using plaintext formatting. NOTE! This error can also occur when the poster of the message has a specific type of computer virus. This virus WAS NOT forwarded on to the List. The poster should be informed of the potential problem with their system as soon as possible. --- MIME Errors --- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:52 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: nice web site & photos, Bert C. <00cf01c44206$069ce8c0$deb4fea9@Desktop> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Bert-- nice web site and looks like you are really coming along. Great photos of your painting, the plane before and after. Nice job. Enjoyed looking at your site. http://bconoly.tripod.com/ Mike C. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trailing Edge From: "Hodgson, Mark O" --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" Chuck, Thanks for the comments. I got 5052 TE's from Wicks rather than the 3003 from AS&S, and they don't seem all that weak, in fact I'm concerned about keeping the front end compressed enough between the ribs so as not to screw up the contour (epoxy and clamps should do that?). ANYWAY, I'm building the ribs in a way that I can change my mind if I have to; bottom capstrip with a vertical end, top capstrip cut horizontally from the end of the bottom capstrip out to a point which extends almost exactly as far as the TE is supposed to (then I'll glue the TE up under the top capstrip). I met Tom Fahy at a fly-in and he said that he went with wood TE's for the same reason you did, so I could still lean in that direction, cut off those top capstrip ends, and use the alternate TE suggested on the plans. The side gunner will prevent bird strikes. Mark ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:27 AM PST US From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: school bus passes a Pietenpol in Wisconsin --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy Group-- with my cruise speed at about 72 mph and a headwind of about 30 mph my ground speed was down to around 42 mph going north into Wisconsin a few years ago. Nice day, but Canadian winds were slowing me down a bit. I glanced down to my left and saw a school bus on a road that was off to my left and parallel to my flight path. After about two or three minutes I watched the bus slowly pull ahead of me and then after about 5 minutes it was a good mile ahead of me. It was a humbling experience. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:21 AM PST US From: jimboyer@direcway.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: school bus passes a Pietenpol in Wisconsin --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: jimboyer@direcway.com HI Mike, especially if the bus was stopping dropping off kids in the process!!! Cheers, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: school bus passes a Pietenpol in Wisconsin > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy > > Group-- with my cruise speed at about 72 mph and a headwind of > about 30 mph > my ground speed > was down to around 42 mph going north into Wisconsin a few years > ago. Nice > day, but Canadian winds were > slowing me down a bit. > > I glanced down to my left and saw a school bus on a road that was > off to my > left and parallel to my flight path. > After about two or three minutes I watched the bus slowly pull > ahead of me > and then after about 5 minutes it > was a good mile ahead of me. It was a humbling experience. > > Mike C. > > > > > > _- > _- > _- > _- > ======================================================================== > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:02:41 PM PST US From: "Norman Stapelberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Suppliers for a Prop Guys, Looking to contact a prop manufacturer for a prop to fit a Lycoming 0-235, any ideas as to I can contact. Thanks Norman Stapelberg South Africa ZS-VJA (rebuilding) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:20:33 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Suppliers for a Prop I've been happy with my Tennesee Prop. www.tn-prop.com One of the few wood prop makers that use 1/16" laminations. Makes for a very strong and stiff prop. Good price too... about $550 They will make any diameter or pitch combo you want. DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman Stapelberg Subject: Pietenpol-List: Suppliers for a Prop Guys, Looking to contact a prop manufacturer for a prop to fit a Lycoming 0-235, any ideas as to I can contact. Thanks Norman Stapelberg South Africa ZS-VJA (rebuilding) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:25 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CG Douwe, You could just set it up on the scales and move the engine till the calculations came out right. Just have to figure in the missing cowl weight. There have been a few programs around to plug the Piet numbers into, if you need one, I'll send it to you. Just change the weights and the final numbers change before your eyes. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 9:16 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: CG Any thoughts on this one? My Piet has an "A" engine, which sits on wooden rails. I havn't drilled the rails for the engine bolts yet and I got to thinking. Why couldn't I put that off until the plane was finished, then prop it up under the CG and move the engine until it balanced perfectly, then drill. Would it make a difference if I propped it up under the wing or set it on something narrow and padded under a point on the fuselage which corresponded to the CG?? Douwe ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:25 PM PST US From: "James Dallas" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Moving from Benton Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 26 May 2004 21:09:43 -0500 Wow, now I won't be able to just hop over and take a look when I've got a question about something. Jim Dallas ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 12:05 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Moving from Benton --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com Well, I guess I'm just in the mood to type tonight !! I'm moving my plane from Benton to Cook Airfield. The first thing the new owners of the airport want to do, is tear down the old row of hangers that I am in, to make way for new 'Nested Tee' hangers. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:06 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C of G with A65 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 5/26/04 12:17:23 AM Central Daylight Time, sbobka@charter.net writes: << Chuck, Hold that stick all the way back on roll out! Don't get lazy! Chris >> Yes, that does make a difference on the distance of the roll out. Gonna have to spit my gum out, and pay attention, when I land downhill at Cook !! Chuck G. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:18 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: CG --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 5/26/04 8:11:23 AM Central Daylight Time, douweblumberg@earthlink.net writes: << Would it make a difference if I propped it up under the wing or set it on something narrow and padded under a point on the fuselage which corresponded to the CG?? >> Douwe, I've thought about that, too. Yes, either way would work. That's the way we did it with R. C. Model airplanes. Problem is that there is no place on the bottom of the wing, at the C. of G. that would support 650 lbs, or so. On the bottom of the fuselage you might be able to balance it on a piece of round tubing, or dowl pin, but it would surely be very top heavy, and adjustments of 1/16" to 1/8 would probably make a big difference. With all that weight on a very narrow point, I'm sure it would leave a permanant impression on the bottom of the fuselage. That would give the C. G., but unless you had scales under there, you wouldn't get the empty weight. Best to just stick to the conventional way of weighing the mains & tail, and doing the calculations. Chuck G.