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1. 12:15 AM - Re: How about some help from one of you "engineer" (Clif Dawson)
2. 05:18 AM - Re: How about some help from one of you "engineer" types? (DJ Vegh)
3. 06:12 AM - Re: How about some help from one of you (Michael D Cuy)
4. 10:11 AM - Re: Oshkosh-Brodhead 75 years! (owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com)
5. 02:56 PM - Re: A-65 cost? (Jack Phillips)
6. 07:14 PM - Re: Oshkosh-Brodhead 75 years! (Rcaprd@aol.com)
7. 07:43 PM - Re: A-65 cost? (Rcaprd@aol.com)
8. 07:56 PM - Re: How about some help from one of you "engineer" types? (Rcaprd@aol.com)
9. 08:06 PM - Re: Oshkosh-Brodhead 75 years! (Richard Navratil)
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types?
| Subject: | Re: How about some help from one of you "engineer" |
types?
I'm assuming you want to mount this inside the fuse, not on the bottom
out on the windstream and that it will be somewhere near the front LG
strut. The tube will intude in the front pit anyway so why not run it right
across the floor from side to side. This will reduce the stresses and
allow it to be mounted simply through drilled holes in the fuse sides
with maybe an extra wood block. If you epoxy it into the blocks you
won't need flanges or bolts. One bolt through the fuse bottom in the
center will be fine. This will also give you access from both sides.
A bit more tube but you save on bolts, flanges and welding gas.
Clif
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=27
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From: Jim Markle
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: How about some help from one of you "engineer" types?
I need to mount a step somewhere near the front of my fuse so I can get up to
the center section tank in case (well, ok, WHEN) there's not a ladder handy.....
So I'm thinking about mounting a length of round 5/8"-.095Wall Thickness (WT)
4130 tubing inside a piece of 3/4"-.058WT tubing so that it can telescope out
around 6" or so......and that will be my step.....
I have no idea even what range of sizes to plan for without doing some tests,
a VERY expensive process when using 4130......
Any estimates on what kind of load this setup would handle? Or what other combinations
might come close to handling 200lbs plus a fuel can (maybe an additional
40lbs)?
jm
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| Subject: | Re: How about some help from one of you "engineer" types? |
here's my retractable 4130 step.
http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/03-08-04.htm
Mine is 1" OD .065 wall. It telescopes about 7" I welded a large disc on the
end that keeps it from sliding in too far and also acts as a stop for your foot
so it won't slip off.
The outer tube that it slides into has some tabs welded to it that I ran 4 AN-3
bolts through and secured it to the fuselage bottom via an area beefed up with
Spruce.
I've tested it with up to 250lb and it help just fine. Would probably be good
for a 300lb rating.
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Markle
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: How about some help from one of you "engineer" types?
I need to mount a step somewhere near the front of my fuse so I can get up to
the center section tank in case (well, ok, WHEN) there's not a ladder handy.....
So I'm thinking about mounting a length of round 5/8"-.095Wall Thickness (WT)
4130 tubing inside a piece of 3/4"-.058WT tubing so that it can telescope out
around 6" or so......and that will be my step.....
I have no idea even what range of sizes to plan for without doing some tests,
a VERY expensive process when using 4130......
Any estimates on what kind of load this setup would handle? Or what other
combinations might come close to handling 200lbs plus a fuel can (maybe an
additional 40lbs)?
jm
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"engineer"types?
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"engineer"types?
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Jim-- sometimes I'll want to get up higher to sight down into my nose tank
filler neck and I've found that if you put your right foot atop the front
wing strut where it joins the fuselage bottom that you can boost yourself
up that way. Only problem is that your foot wants to slide toward the
fabric. An easy fix to this would to be to weld a flat 4130 piece with an
angle at one side to make a small level support for your foot on top of the
base of that front lift strut. The only other thing you might need would
be a drawer pull type handle or d-ring type thing that you could brace
yourself on with your left hand if needed.
Others have had better suggestions about where to mount your tube-in-a-tube
idea but the first thing that struck me about that is how much easier it
would be to mount square tube in a tube to any aircraft structure. (not to
mention that your shoe would be less likely to slip/rotate on a square piece.
Mike C.
PS- always wanted to be an engineer. Love trains.
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| Subject: | Oshkosh-Brodhead 75 years! |
EAA is interested in hosting a mass arrival of Pietenpols, I'm not sure
that we will have prime parking like we did in 99'. I've only had two
others show any interest in going to Airventure with their piets. That
makes a MASS arrival of 3. If you have interest in joining us, please
reply to me or the list. If we don't have much interest I'll drop the
suggestion.
Steve Eldredge
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Eldredge
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Oshkosh-Brodhead 75 years!
So I've contacted EAA to check about a mass arrival of Piets to
Airventure. Is there any interest in going. I'm trying to get an
estimate of the number of Piets that might attend.
Please reply to the list if your interested.
Steve E
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Eldredge
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oshkosh-Brodhead 75 years!
Anyone else excited?
The 70th anniversary was a blast. We flew from Brodhead to Hampton (?),
then as a mass gaggle to Oshkosh for a few days. We were all treated
like royalty parked together, and watched Mike C get to showcase his
plane. Together with Brodhead is was a very memorable occasion flying
along with 18 -20 others on a short cross country flight. I just called
EAA to see if there has been any arrangements begun if I happened to
miss it. Is there any interest out there is I were to volunteer to
arrange something? I suppose I should call Bill Rewey, since he seemed
to be the flight leader last time.
Steve E
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Depends on the quality of the rebuild. Mine cost $1500 for the core, $1000
to have a certified shop magnaflux and grind the crankshaft and overhaul the
rods and the rocker arms, $3300 for new Millenium cylinders (the old ones
were shot), $225 for a new camshaft, $550 for new cam followers, and $800
for new Slick Mags, harnesses and plugs. Total, about $7500, but I know
what I've got, and it is really an almost brand new engine. That was with
me doing the assembly (under the eyes of an A&P IA). You can do it for
less. I wouldn't pay much more.
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ash
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 cost?
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
Does anybody have any ballpark ideas on how much a zero-time experimental
A-65 should cost?
And how much should I expect it to cost if I pay someone to take one that's
run out and rebuild it?
Jim Ash
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh-Brodhead 75 years! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 6/2/04 12:12:03 PM Central Daylight Time, steve@byu.edu
writes:
<< I've only had two
others show any interest in going to Airventure with their piets. >>
Steve,
Count me in !! I'm planning on going to Airventure, from Brodhead. If we
have a big enough gaggle of Pietenpols, I think the EAA photo plane (or
helicopter) is going to meet us somewhere en route.
Chuck Gantzer
NX770CG
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 6/1/04 1:51:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
ashcan@earthlink.net writes:
<< Does anybody have any ballpark ideas on how much a zero-time experimental
A-65 should cost?
And how much should I expect it to cost if I pay someone to take one that's
run out and rebuild it? >>
Jim,
I have over $6000 in my A65. I really like this engine, and I don't regret
spending the money for it.
Chuck G.
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| Subject: | Re: How about some help from one of you "engineer" types? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
Jim,
I had a similar thought for re-fueling the wing tank. I used a .090"
bracket, under the head of the bolt of the lower right engine mount. It's shaped
like an upside down tee, hangs below the bottom of the fuselage, and it has slots
to accept a removable stirrup. So far, there has always been a small ladder
to re-fuel, and I've never really used it.
Chuck G.
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh-Brodhead 75 years! |
Steve
I think a lot of us might be in the "would like to, but not sure of timing" at
this point. The rotten weather has not helped progress in getting started in
flight testing for me. Almost a month of rain and wind here.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Eldredge
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 12:10 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Oshkosh-Brodhead 75 years!
EAA is interested in hosting a mass arrival of Pietenpols, I'm not sure that
we will have prime parking like we did in 99'. I've only had two others show
any interest in going to Airventure with their piets. That makes a MASS arrival
of 3. If you have interest in joining us, please reply to me or the list.
If we don't have much interest I'll drop the suggestion.
Steve Eldredge
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Eldredge
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 1:55 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Oshkosh-Brodhead 75 years!
So I've contacted EAA to check about a mass arrival of Piets to Airventure.
Is there any interest in going. I'm trying to get an estimate of the number of
Piets that might attend.
Please reply to the list if your interested.
Steve E
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Eldredge
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 10:33 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Oshkosh-Brodhead 75 years!
Anyone else excited?
The 70th anniversary was a blast. We flew from Brodhead to Hampton (?), then
as a mass gaggle to Oshkosh for a few days. We were all treated like royalty
parked together, and watched Mike C get to showcase his plane. Together with
Brodhead is was a very memorable occasion flying along with 18 -20 others on
a short cross country flight. I just called EAA to see if there has been any
arrangements begun if I happened to miss it. Is there any interest out there
is I were to volunteer to arrange something? I suppose I should call Bill Rewey,
since he seemed to be the flight leader last time.
Steve E
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