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1. 09:41 AM - Re: Has Anyone Financed a Pietenpol? (Norman Stapelberg)
2. 10:06 AM - Re: Has Anyone Financed a Pietenpol? (Cory Emberson)
3. 11:25 AM - Aghh, so close... and thanks ()
4. 02:21 PM - Re: 2004 recipient of the Tony Bingelis Award (Waytogopiet@aol.com)
5. 05:52 PM - Re: 2004 recipient of the Tony Bingelis Award (Alex Sloan)
6. 08:45 PM - Plywood, Wing and Cabane Struts, Turnbuckles, etc (Stacy Clark)
7. 10:28 PM - Re: Plywood, Wing and Cabane Struts, Turnbuckles, etc (del magsam)
8. 11:21 PM - Re: Aghh, so close... and thanks (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Has Anyone Financed a Pietenpol? |
Cory
Yep I financed my Piet she had 114hrs on her airframe, our local
finanancial institution finances homebuilt aircraft, they are merited as
individuals and are rather understanding. The finance is structured over
a short period and they register a bond on the plane, so as to secure
the plane from premature sale without settlement of the loan.
Norman Stapelberg
South Africa
ZS-VJA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Navratil
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Has Anyone Financed a Pietenpol?
Just to add to Berts post. If you get those annoying checks from the
credit card companies, dont use them. If you call the card company they
will have a much cheaper rate for doing a direct deposit electronically
into your account.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bert Conoly <mailto:bconoly@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Has Anyone Financed a Pietenpol?
Cory
If your building a Pietenpol, or similar, a lot of the parts and
materials can be purchased with a credit card and paid off at the end of
the month or run a balance and pay your interest rate. This is
convenient because when you are building a plane, you usually only need
a few parts at a time - don't need the whole thing. and can be a very
easy way to spread out purchases of a few hundred to thousands over
several months.
If you want to BUY one, I guess you could do so at a pretty good
interest rate. 4 to 8 % maybe. Most credit card companies send those
annoying checks about 5 times a month hoping you'll write one. I GUESS
you could do THAT.... Pretty good interest rates, I think.
I don't have any experience financing kits - I built mine over a period
of several years and paid as I went.
BC
http://bconoly.tripod.com/
----- Original Message -----
From: Cory Emberson <mailto:bootless@earthlink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Has Anyone Financed a Pietenpol?
Hello!
I'm writing an article for Kitplanes magazine about financing for
homebuilts. Has anyone had any experience in financing your Pietenpol
(or other plane that you've built), and would you care to share that
experience? Also, if you've had the experience of financing an
already-completed homebuilt, I would love to hear from you as well.
By the way, Greg Cardinal's beautiful Air Camper kit is featured in the
July issue of Kitplanes (Exteriors and Interiors - page 41-42) - there's
a gorgeous picture of the panel that he and Dale Johnson have
handcrafted.
Thanks so much! If you care to contact me off-list, my email address is
<mailto:cory@lightspeededit.com> cory@lightspeededit.com. My "list"
email address is <mailto:bootless@earthlink.net>
bootless@earthlink.net.
Best,
Cory Emberson
KHWD
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| Subject: | Has Anyone Financed a Pietenpol? |
Hi Norman,
Thanks for your note! How long did your bank write the loan for? Do you know
if they finance the kits while under construction as well? Is your plane an
Air Camper? All these questions! :-)
Could you tell me a little bit more about the bond placed on the plane? I
believe that here in the U.S., if someone finances a loan on a plane and
then sells it, the lien on the plane is not released until it's paid off
from the proceeds of the sale. Is that the same procedure that you're
talking about?
Do you mind if I identify your name and location in the article? Where in SA
are you? My godmother grew up in Johannesburg (of course that was many years
ago!). She loved it so much she even named her dog Jojo. :-)
Thanks so much, and nice to meet you!
Cory
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Norman
Stapelberg
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Has Anyone Financed a Pietenpol?
Cory
Yep I financed my Piet she had 114hrs on her airframe, our local finanancial
institution finances homebuilt aircraft, they are merited as individuals and
are rather understanding. The finance is structured over a short period and
they register a bond on the plane, so as to secure the plane from premature
sale without settlement of the loan.
Norman Stapelberg
South Africa
ZS-VJA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Navratil
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Has Anyone Financed a Pietenpol?
Just to add to Berts post. If you get those annoying checks from the credit
card companies, dont use them. If you call the card company they will have
a much cheaper rate for doing a direct deposit electronically into your
account.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bert Conoly <mailto:bconoly@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Has Anyone Financed a Pietenpol?
Cory
If your building a Pietenpol, or similar, a lot of the parts and materials
can be purchased with a credit card and paid off at the end of the month or
run a balance and pay your interest rate. This is convenient because when
you are building a plane, you usually only need a few parts at a time -
don't need the whole thing. and can be a very easy way to spread out
purchases of a few hundred to thousands over several months.
If you want to BUY one, I guess you could do so at a pretty good interest
rate. 4 to 8 % maybe. Most credit card companies send those annoying
checks about 5 times a month hoping you'll write one. I GUESS you could do
THAT.... Pretty good interest rates, I think.
I don't have any experience financing kits - I built mine over a period of
several years and paid as I went.
BC
http://bconoly.tripod.com/
----- Original Message -----
From: Cory <mailto:bootless@earthlink.net> Emberson
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Has Anyone Financed a Pietenpol?
Hello!
I'm writing an article for Kitplanes magazine about financing for
homebuilts. Has anyone had any experience in financing your Pietenpol (or
other plane that you've built), and would you care to share that experience?
Also, if you've had the experience of financing an already-completed
homebuilt, I would love to hear from you as well.
By the way, Greg Cardinal's beautiful Air Camper kit is featured in the July
issue of Kitplanes (Exteriors and Interiors - page 41-42) - there's a
gorgeous picture of the panel that he and Dale Johnson have handcrafted.
Thanks so much! If you care to contact me off-list, my email address is
<mailto:cory@lightspeededit.com> cory@lightspeededit.com. My "list" email
address is <mailto:bootless@earthlink.net> bootless@earthlink.net.
Best,
Cory Emberson
KHWD
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| Subject: | Aghh, so close... and thanks |
Thank you to all!! Clif, my 12/1 slope will be done in the 3/4 thickness of spar
(I will splice it in the modern way, not like Bernard did). That will cost
me about 3" to 4" on each spar, just the triangle between the last rib and wing
tip. It coul be less (about 2,5") if I go for a 10/1 slope. I will put gussets
in the joint anyway. Wing tip, as I understand, are also compression members,
could that be a problem? Thanks again.
Santiago
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| Subject: | Re: 2004 recipient of the Tony Bingelis Award |
In a message dated 6/9/2004 11:47:29 PM Central Standard Time,
docshop@tds.net writes:
But we are so fortunate to have some really
outstanding individuals (no names here, please, but you know who you are)
in our purposely down home group. Alex is one of the nice guys.
Doc Mosher
Oshkosh USA
I think there are many who would agree that a certain Doc Mosher also fits
this category quite well !! Thanks Doc for putting this out to the list.
Don Hicks
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| Subject: | Re: 2004 recipient of the Tony Bingelis Award |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Alex Sloan" <alexms1@bellsouth.net>
Friends,
It all started in 1974. While attending the first Sun-N-Fun fly-In I was
ovewhelmed with love and care by all who heard me utter the magic words, "I
am going to build an airplane." I had never before experianced such open
arm care. Again it was repeated in 1975 at the 2nd Sun-N-Fun. All during
my 10 year mission to complete the RV-3 whenever I needed assistance it was
there just for the asking.
This, along with all the written words of Tony Bingelis, was my starting
point to do what I could to repay. I owed so much to so many. I once asked
"How do you repay someone for being nice to you? The answer I got was, "You
just pass it along." That is what has been my creed and it is so obvious it
is yours as well.
Thanks to Doc and Mike and all for the kind words. Hope to see one and all
at Oshkosh,\.
Alex Sloan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doc Mosher" <docshop@tds.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 2004 recipient of the Tony Bingelis Award
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Doc Mosher <docshop@tds.net>
Well, one of our own guys did it!
Alex Sloan, who is a sometime participant in our little Piet Chat Group,
has been announced as the 2004 recipient of EAA's Tony Bingelis Award. You
can read all about it in the next few weeks in EAA's various publications,
but the gist of the news is that Alex is the man.
Alex lives in Florence, Alabama, and as participants in our little chat
group know, he is building a Piet with a Corvair engine. To quote Tom
Poberezny, "Alex Sloan truly embodies the values of EAA and the legacy
established by Tony Bingelis. He epitomizes volunteerism within the
organization and is consistently willing to share his knowledge and
resources to promote better airplanes, more prepared pilots, and safer
flight. He is an outstanding and most deserving recipient of the Bingelis
Award."
I can go on and embarrass Alex by citing the fact that he became a Tech
Counselor in 1985, a Flight Advisor in 1994, and in 2000 he was named the
first Chairman of the EAA Homebuilt Aircraft Council. He has received the
EAA President's Award and EAA's Major Achievement Award in 2001.
He has constructed two RV-model aircraft, and - talk about getting into
building a real homebuilt airplane - is currently building a
Pietenpol. Alex conducts a number of forums at Oshkosh and Lakeland, so a
lot of you guys have met him.
He will receive his proper recognition at AirVenture at the annual
Homebuilder Dinner on July 29. This dinner is usually held at EAA's Nature
Center pavilion.
We all kind of have a personal pride in being a part of the bib overall
Piet group - tailwheels, open cockpits, 75 year old design, etc.
like we are the po' boys. But we are so fortunate to have some really
outstanding individuals (no names here, please, but you know who you are)
in our purposely down home group. Alex is one of the nice guys.
Doc Mosher
Oshkosh USA
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| Subject: | Plywood, Wing and Cabane Struts, Turnbuckles, etc |
Do I absolutely need "aircraft grade plywood"? (I'm assuming no). I have 1/4"
mahogany available up here to me in the bush (Alaska). Can this be used instead?
(Yes, I realize the added weight vs. thinner side walls and seats). Sure
a lot cheaper though! Also, for the gussets I will be getting that from Aircraft
Spruce & Speacialty (I have no choice), any need to get 45 degree or is
90 degree fine? (It would actually seem 90 would be better taking into account
the angles of the braces[?]). As a side note regarding the 1/4" plywood, I
have already factored in the filler strips and variances because of the extra
thickness by the way (i.e. building them up and lapping over so it's even front
to back, etc.).
As far as wing struts and cabane struts, Mike Cuy I need your help specifically
here as I will be paterning mine directly after yours (same dihedral, +2" on
the centers, and in the end I've decided to go with the three pc. wing as well).
I am ordering from Aircraft Spruce. Can you tell me what you ordered and
in what length, etc. Do you also have a list of all turnbuckles and hardware
you used with regard to the struts and cabanes? A lot of this stuff when it comes
to hardware is simply Greek to me. I'm trying to ship as much as possible
with one order because of the high shipping cost.
As always to all, your help greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Stacy
There is only one greater thing than to believe in the impossible...and that is
to achieve it -- Stacy Clark
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| Subject: | Re: Plywood, Wing and Cabane Struts, Turnbuckles, etc |
you could check local cabinet suppliers, or cabinet shops to see if baltic birch
is available. it comes in 5 x 5 sheets from russia that comes in mm thicknesses,
the thinnest being about 3/16 inch thick. very strong
Del
Stacy Clark <stacy@unicom-alaska.com> wrote:
Do I absolutely need "aircraft grade plywood"? (I'm assuming no). I have 1/4"
mahogany available up here to me in the bush (Alaska). Can this be used instead?
(Yes, I realize the added weight vs. thinner side walls and seats). Sure
a lot cheaper though! Also, for the gussets I will be getting that from Aircraft
Spruce & Speacialty (I have no choice), any need to get 45 degree or is
90 degree fine? (It would actually seem 90 would be better taking into account
the angles of the braces[?]). As a side note regarding the 1/4" plywood, I
have already factored in the filler strips and variances because of the extra
thickness by the way (i.e. building them up and lapping over so it's even front
to back, etc.).
As far as wing struts and cabane struts, Mike Cuy I need your help specifically
here as I will be paterning mine directly after yours (same dihedral, +2" on
the centers, and in the end I've decided to go with the three pc. wing as well).
I am ordering from Aircraft Spruce. Can you tell me what you ordered and
in what length, etc. Do you also have a list of all turnbuckles and hardware
you used with regard to the struts and cabanes? A lot of this stuff when it comes
to hardware is simply Greek to me. I'm trying to ship as much as possible
with one order because of the high shipping cost.
As always to all, your help greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Stacy
There is only one greater thing than to believe in the impossible...and that is
to achieve it -- Stacy Clark
Del-New Richmond, Wi
"farmerdel@rocketmail.com"
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| Subject: | Re: Aghh, so close... and thanks |
Okay, a 12/1 slope will give 38 sq inchs.
Shear of hemlock is 1170lb/sq. inch.
Flat face to face joint 42,000lb.
There is a component of end grain in
this joint. Now the guessing. I think
you will still have 30,000lb in the joint.
I don't think you will see more than
4000lb in compression assuming a
max weight of 1200lb and 4 G load.
The wingtip is a different matter. You're
only looking at 2% of that panels load
overall. 600lb/panel, 120lb, 1/2 that per
spar30lb but some of the load is born
by the aileron mounting plate, some by
the leading edge and some in the aileron
itself. You could probably cut that 30lb
in half, 15lb. At 4G that's 60lb. Both the
compression and tension components
will be around 100lb. Compression
strength in hemlock is 5300lb/sq. inch.
Tension on the bottom cap will also be
100lb and that will be born by the ply.
All this for a simple butt joint with 1/8"
ply gusset plates. I don't see any strength
issues here. A 12/1 scarf here would be
plenty strong also but more difficult to
get right.
In any scarf I would not go less than 12/1.
The strength will drop dramaticaly.
It's not a linear progression.
Okay! Okay! I'll leave now. :-) :-)
Clif.
Don't expect any response for the rest of the
weekend. Party time on Saltspring Island! Woohoo.
My response function MAY be OK by Monday.:-) :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: santiago morete
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 11:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aghh, so close... and thanks
Thank you to all!! Clif, my 12/1 slope will be done in the 3/4 thickness of spar
(I will splice it in the modern way, not like Bernard did). That will cost
me about 3" to 4" on each spar, just the triangle between the last rib and wing
tip. It coul be less (about 2,5") if I go for a 10/1 slope. I will put gussets
in the joint anyway. Wing tip, as I understand, are also compression members,
could that be a problem? Thanks again.
Santiago
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