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1. 04:05 AM - Re: Gussets and plywood question ()
2. 06:15 AM - Re: Gussets and plywood question (walt evans)
3. 06:19 AM - how to fly fighters and bombers site (walt evans)
4. 07:01 AM - Re: Gussets and plywood question (Jim Markle)
5. 08:28 AM - 4 inch wider fuselage advice (At7000ft@aol.com)
6. 08:40 AM - Re: 4 inch wider fuselage advice (DJ Vegh)
7. 10:39 AM - Re: Gussets and plywood question (Al Latham)
8. 02:15 PM - Re: Gussets and plywood question (Carbarvo@aol.com)
9. 02:21 PM - Re: Gussets and plywood question ()
10. 03:00 PM - Gussets and plywood question ()
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| Subject: | Re: Gussets and plywood question |
1/8 plywood for the rib gussets will not add any appreciable weight. Beware of
any changes this may require of the metal fittings for the drag/anti-drag fittings.
If the 1/4 cedar plywood you have is also marine grade plywood it will work just
fine.
Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis
----- Original Message -----
From: santiago morete
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 12:08 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question
Hello. As I previously said, I=B4m from Argentina. Here is almost impossible
to get 1/16 plywood, my choices are buy it from Aircraft Spruce, Wicks, etc.(really
expensive), custom made plywood (we do have birch sheets, about 0,6mm or
.0236 inches) or use 1/8 cedar marine plywood (very cheap, 17 dollars for a
7' x 5,25=B4 sheet) for the ribs gussets. I know that 1/8 has been previously
used but, would this add to much weight? What do you think? Another question.
I=B4m able to buy 1/4 cedar plywood for the fuselage floor, but this is just 3
ply. Could that work anyway? Thanks.
Santiago Morete
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| Subject: | Re: Gussets and plywood question |
Santiago,
You may want to investigate using fiber/cardboard. You'd have to research it,
but my 83 yearold AP mentor tells me that many of the old certifiied aricraft
used like a fiber (actually paper I think) board, as gusset material.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: santiago morete
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 1:08 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question
Hello. As I previously said, I=B4m from Argentina. Here is almost impossible
to get 1/16 plywood, my choices are buy it from Aircraft Spruce, Wicks, etc.(really
expensive), custom made plywood (we do have birch sheets, about 0,6mm or
.0236 inches) or use 1/8 cedar marine plywood (very cheap, 17 dollars for a
7' x 5,25=B4 sheet) for the ribs gussets. I know that 1/8 has been previously
used but, would this add to much weight? What do you think? Another question.
I=B4m able to buy 1/4 cedar plywood for the fuselage floor, but this is just 3
ply. Could that work anyway? Thanks.
Santiago Morete
Internet gratis =A1y que funciona!
Tres nuevas ciudades con n=FAmeros locales:
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=BFQu=E9 esper=E1s para navegar bien y r=E1pido?
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"Fishnet" <Fishnet@topica.com>
| Subject: | how to fly fighters and bombers site |
A little off subject, but found a site where you can see videos of original "how
to fly" films of WW11 of many of the great fighters and bombers. Interesting!
http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/main.html
walt evans
NX140DL
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Gussets and plywood question |
Why can't we ship it to you? Maybe cut a sheet up into 2" or 4" strips or 8 1/2
X 11" pieces and mail them? Or even 11" X 17"....both "standard" envelope sizes....
I know that's not optimum and there will be some waste, but a bit of
planning could eliminate a lot of that waste.....
I know that doesn't help with the leading edge covering maybe this approach would
work?
Let me know if that works for you and I'll go get some, cut it into strips (or
something like 8X10" pieces) and mail it.....I would think that your total cost
would be MUCH less than the Aircraft Spruce/Wicks route.....
Am I missing something? Seems like a good approach.....
Jim in Plano.....
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question
Santiago,
You may want to investigate using fiber/cardboard. You'd have to research it,
but my 83 yearold AP mentor tells me that many of the old certifiied aricraft
used like a fiber (actually paper I think) board, as gusset material.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: santiago morete
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 1:08 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question
Hello. As I previously said, I=B4m from Argentina. Here is almost impossible
to get 1/16 plywood, my choices are buy it from Aircraft Spruce, Wicks, etc.(really
expensive), custom made plywood (we do have birch sheets, about 0,6mm
or .0236 inches) or use 1/8 cedar marine plywood (very cheap, 17 dollars for
a 7' x 5,25=B4 sheet) for the ribs gussets. I know that 1/8 has been previously
used but, would this add to much weight? What do you think? Another question.
I=B4m able to buy 1/4 cedar plywood for the fuselage floor, but this is just
3 ply. Could that work anyway? Thanks.
Santiago Morete
Internet gratis =A1y que funciona!
Tres nuevas ciudades con n=FAmeros locales:
Escobar, Z=E1rate, Campana
=BFQu=E9 esper=E1s para navegar bien y r=E1pido?
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| Subject: | 4 inch wider fuselage advice |
Have my fuselage sides done (long fuselage with 6 inches added to the front)
and am about to start joining them. Have read all the forum messages related
to fuselage widening and plan on making mine 4 inches wider to give me about 24
inches inside rear cockpit width. Before I take the big step does anyone know
of any problems with this? Other than extra cost and weight?
Thanks
Rick Holland
Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: 4 inch wider fuselage advice |
I widened mine 2" at the rear cockpit, 1" at the firewall.
My opinion is there is no need to widen the fuse 4" from the rear cockpit all
the way up to the firewall. I'd say go 4" at the rear pit and maybe 2" at
firewall. That still gives you the width you want where you need it (rear pit)
but saves a little weight by tapering it up to the front. The front pit would
be wider by about 3" or so... still pretty good.
Also, consider that the center wing section needs to get widened as well. The
landing gear has to be taken into consideration as well.
DJ Vegh
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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----- Original Message -----
From: At7000ft@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 8:28 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 4 inch wider fuselage advice
Have my fuselage sides done (long fuselage with 6 inches added to the front)
and am about to start joining them. Have read all the forum messages related to
fuselage widening and plan on making mine 4 inches wider to give me about 24
inches inside rear cockpit width. Before I take the big step does anyone know of
any problems with this? Other than extra cost and weight?
Thanks
Rick Holland
Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Gussets and plywood question |
Aeronca used cardboard gussets and years ago if you wanted to fly a set of these
wings you had to replace them with plywood
as they disintegrated over time.
Al Latham
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Markle
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question
Why can't we ship it to you? Maybe cut a sheet up into 2" or 4" strips or 8
1/2 X 11" pieces and mail them? Or even 11" X 17"....both "standard" envelope
sizes.... I know that's not optimum and there will be some waste, but a bit
of planning could eliminate a lot of that waste.....
I know that doesn't help with the leading edge covering maybe this approach would
work?
Let me know if that works for you and I'll go get some, cut it into strips (or
something like 8X10" pieces) and mail it.....I would think that your total cost
would be MUCH less than the Aircraft Spruce/Wicks route.....
Am I missing something? Seems like a good approach.....
Jim in Plano.....
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question
Santiago,
You may want to investigate using fiber/cardboard. You'd have to research
it, but my 83 yearold AP mentor tells me that many of the old certifiied aricraft
used like a fiber (actually paper I think) board, as gusset material.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: santiago morete
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 1:08 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question
Hello. As I previously said, I=B4m from Argentina. Here is almost impossible
to get 1/16 plywood, my choices are buy it from Aircraft Spruce, Wicks, etc.(really
expensive), custom made plywood (we do have birch sheets, about 0,6mm
or .0236 inches) or use 1/8 cedar marine plywood (very cheap, 17 dollars for
a 7' x 5,25=B4 sheet) for the ribs gussets. I know that 1/8 has been previously
used but, would this add to much weight? What do you think? Another question.
I=B4m able to buy 1/4 cedar plywood for the fuselage floor, but this is just
3 ply. Could that work anyway? Thanks.
Santiago Morete
Internet gratis =A1y que funciona!
Tres nuevas ciudades con n=FAmeros locales:
Escobar, Z=E1rate, Campana
=BFQu=E9 esper=E1s para navegar bien y r=E1pido?
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| Subject: | Re: Gussets and plywood question |
Hi Jim...My 2 cents...I understand that on the early Piets, Bernie used old
campaign posters to cover the leading edge. Anybody got anything on this?
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| Subject: | Re: Gussets and plywood question |
It was actually oatmeal boxes......
----- Original Message -----
From: Carbarvo@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question
Hi Jim...My 2 cents...I understand that on the early Piets, Bernie used old campaign
posters to cover the leading edge. Anybody got anything on this?
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| Subject: | Gussets and plywood question |
Ok. Thanks Jim!!! That sounds very interesting. I dont want abuse of your generosity,
but, if you can send me these little pieces, I will appreciate it very
much. If you agree, I will contact you at your e-mail address. I am not really
worried about the leading edge plywood cover. Probably I will use aluminum or
just install false ribs (like in that beautiful yellow piet). Thanks again.
Santiago
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