---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/20/04: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:05 AM - Re: Gussets and plywood question () 2. 06:15 AM - Re: Gussets and plywood question (walt evans) 3. 06:19 AM - how to fly fighters and bombers site (walt evans) 4. 07:01 AM - Re: Gussets and plywood question (Jim Markle) 5. 08:28 AM - 4 inch wider fuselage advice (At7000ft@aol.com) 6. 08:40 AM - Re: 4 inch wider fuselage advice (DJ Vegh) 7. 10:39 AM - Re: Gussets and plywood question (Al Latham) 8. 02:15 PM - Re: Gussets and plywood question (Carbarvo@aol.com) 9. 02:21 PM - Re: Gussets and plywood question () 10. 03:00 PM - Gussets and plywood question () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:49 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question 1/8 plywood for the rib gussets will not add any appreciable weight. Beware of any changes this may require of the metal fittings for the drag/anti-drag fittings. If the 1/4 cedar plywood you have is also marine grade plywood it will work just fine. Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: santiago morete To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 12:08 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question Hello. As I previously said, I=B4m from Argentina. Here is almost impossible to get 1/16 plywood, my choices are buy it from Aircraft Spruce, Wicks, etc.(really expensive), custom made plywood (we do have birch sheets, about 0,6mm or .0236 inches) or use 1/8 cedar marine plywood (very cheap, 17 dollars for a 7' x 5,25=B4 sheet) for the ribs gussets. I know that 1/8 has been previously used but, would this add to much weight? What do you think? Another question. I=B4m able to buy 1/4 cedar plywood for the fuselage floor, but this is just 3 ply. Could that work anyway? Thanks. Santiago Morete Internet gratis =A1y que funciona! Tres nuevas ciudades con n=FAmeros locales: Escobar, Z=E1rate, Campana =BFQu=E9 esper=E1s para navegar bien y r=E1pido? ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:43 AM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question Santiago, You may want to investigate using fiber/cardboard. You'd have to research it, but my 83 yearold AP mentor tells me that many of the old certifiied aricraft used like a fiber (actually paper I think) board, as gusset material. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: santiago morete To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 1:08 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question Hello. As I previously said, I=B4m from Argentina. Here is almost impossible to get 1/16 plywood, my choices are buy it from Aircraft Spruce, Wicks, etc.(really expensive), custom made plywood (we do have birch sheets, about 0,6mm or .0236 inches) or use 1/8 cedar marine plywood (very cheap, 17 dollars for a 7' x 5,25=B4 sheet) for the ribs gussets. I know that 1/8 has been previously used but, would this add to much weight? What do you think? Another question. I=B4m able to buy 1/4 cedar plywood for the fuselage floor, but this is just 3 ply. Could that work anyway? Thanks. Santiago Morete Internet gratis =A1y que funciona! Tres nuevas ciudades con n=FAmeros locales: Escobar, Z=E1rate, Campana =BFQu=E9 esper=E1s para navegar bien y r=E1pido? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:05 AM PST US From: "walt evans" "Fishnet" Subject: Pietenpol-List: how to fly fighters and bombers site A little off subject, but found a site where you can see videos of original "how to fly" films of WW11 of many of the great fighters and bombers. Interesting! http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/main.html walt evans NX140DL Do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:20 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question Why can't we ship it to you? Maybe cut a sheet up into 2" or 4" strips or 8 1/2 X 11" pieces and mail them? Or even 11" X 17"....both "standard" envelope sizes.... I know that's not optimum and there will be some waste, but a bit of planning could eliminate a lot of that waste..... I know that doesn't help with the leading edge covering maybe this approach would work? Let me know if that works for you and I'll go get some, cut it into strips (or something like 8X10" pieces) and mail it.....I would think that your total cost would be MUCH less than the Aircraft Spruce/Wicks route..... Am I missing something? Seems like a good approach..... Jim in Plano..... ----- Original Message ----- From: walt evans To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 8:15 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question Santiago, You may want to investigate using fiber/cardboard. You'd have to research it, but my 83 yearold AP mentor tells me that many of the old certifiied aricraft used like a fiber (actually paper I think) board, as gusset material. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: santiago morete To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 1:08 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question Hello. As I previously said, I=B4m from Argentina. Here is almost impossible to get 1/16 plywood, my choices are buy it from Aircraft Spruce, Wicks, etc.(really expensive), custom made plywood (we do have birch sheets, about 0,6mm or .0236 inches) or use 1/8 cedar marine plywood (very cheap, 17 dollars for a 7' x 5,25=B4 sheet) for the ribs gussets. I know that 1/8 has been previously used but, would this add to much weight? What do you think? Another question. I=B4m able to buy 1/4 cedar plywood for the fuselage floor, but this is just 3 ply. Could that work anyway? Thanks. Santiago Morete Internet gratis =A1y que funciona! Tres nuevas ciudades con n=FAmeros locales: Escobar, Z=E1rate, Campana =BFQu=E9 esper=E1s para navegar bien y r=E1pido? ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:37 AM PST US From: At7000ft@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: 4 inch wider fuselage advice Have my fuselage sides done (long fuselage with 6 inches added to the front) and am about to start joining them. Have read all the forum messages related to fuselage widening and plan on making mine 4 inches wider to give me about 24 inches inside rear cockpit width. Before I take the big step does anyone know of any problems with this? Other than extra cost and weight? Thanks Rick Holland Colorado ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:43 AM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 4 inch wider fuselage advice I widened mine 2" at the rear cockpit, 1" at the firewall. My opinion is there is no need to widen the fuse 4" from the rear cockpit all the way up to the firewall. I'd say go 4" at the rear pit and maybe 2" at firewall. That still gives you the width you want where you need it (rear pit) but saves a little weight by tapering it up to the front. The front pit would be wider by about 3" or so... still pretty good. Also, consider that the center wing section needs to get widened as well. The landing gear has to be taken into consideration as well. DJ Vegh N74DV Mesa, AZ www.imagedv.com/aircamper - ----- Original Message ----- From: At7000ft@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 8:28 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 4 inch wider fuselage advice Have my fuselage sides done (long fuselage with 6 inches added to the front) and am about to start joining them. Have read all the forum messages related to fuselage widening and plan on making mine 4 inches wider to give me about 24 inches inside rear cockpit width. Before I take the big step does anyone know of any problems with this? Other than extra cost and weight? Thanks Rick Holland Colorado ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:39:34 AM PST US From: "Al Latham" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question Aeronca used cardboard gussets and years ago if you wanted to fly a set of these wings you had to replace them with plywood as they disintegrated over time. Al Latham ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Markle To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 9:01 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question Why can't we ship it to you? Maybe cut a sheet up into 2" or 4" strips or 8 1/2 X 11" pieces and mail them? Or even 11" X 17"....both "standard" envelope sizes.... I know that's not optimum and there will be some waste, but a bit of planning could eliminate a lot of that waste..... I know that doesn't help with the leading edge covering maybe this approach would work? Let me know if that works for you and I'll go get some, cut it into strips (or something like 8X10" pieces) and mail it.....I would think that your total cost would be MUCH less than the Aircraft Spruce/Wicks route..... Am I missing something? Seems like a good approach..... Jim in Plano..... ----- Original Message ----- From: walt evans To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 8:15 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question Santiago, You may want to investigate using fiber/cardboard. You'd have to research it, but my 83 yearold AP mentor tells me that many of the old certifiied aricraft used like a fiber (actually paper I think) board, as gusset material. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: santiago morete To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 1:08 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question Hello. As I previously said, I=B4m from Argentina. Here is almost impossible to get 1/16 plywood, my choices are buy it from Aircraft Spruce, Wicks, etc.(really expensive), custom made plywood (we do have birch sheets, about 0,6mm or .0236 inches) or use 1/8 cedar marine plywood (very cheap, 17 dollars for a 7' x 5,25=B4 sheet) for the ribs gussets. I know that 1/8 has been previously used but, would this add to much weight? What do you think? Another question. I=B4m able to buy 1/4 cedar plywood for the fuselage floor, but this is just 3 ply. Could that work anyway? Thanks. Santiago Morete Internet gratis =A1y que funciona! Tres nuevas ciudades con n=FAmeros locales: Escobar, Z=E1rate, Campana =BFQu=E9 esper=E1s para navegar bien y r=E1pido? ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:15:01 PM PST US From: Carbarvo@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question Hi Jim...My 2 cents...I understand that on the early Piets, Bernie used old campaign posters to cover the leading edge. Anybody got anything on this? ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:21:19 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question It was actually oatmeal boxes...... ----- Original Message ----- From: Carbarvo@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 4:14 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question Hi Jim...My 2 cents...I understand that on the early Piets, Bernie used old campaign posters to cover the leading edge. Anybody got anything on this? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question Ok. Thanks Jim!!! That sounds very interesting. I dont want abuse of your generosity, but, if you can send me these little pieces, I will appreciate it very much. If you agree, I will contact you at your e-mail address. I am not really worried about the leading edge plywood cover. Probably I will use aluminum or just install false ribs (like in that beautiful yellow piet). Thanks again. Santiago --------------------------------- Internet gratis y que funciona! Tres nuevas ciudades con nmeros locales: Escobar, Zrate, Campana Qu espers para navegar bien y rpido?