---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/21/04: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:41 PM - Fw: FOR SALE ROTAX 503 DCDI , prop,etc. (Robert Doebler) 2. 01:10 PM - Subject: 4 inch wider fuselage advice (Jim Cooper) 3. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 06/18/04 () 4. 01:49 PM - Re: Subject: 4 inch wider fuselage advice (Christian Bobka) 5. 07:36 PM - Prop? (WPTCorp@aol.com) 6. 07:49 PM - Re: cabane X brace cables (Borodent@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:41:50 PM PST US From: Robert Doebler Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: FOR SALE ROTAX 503 DCDI , prop,etc. Note: forwarded message attached. From: Robert Doebler Subject: FOR SALE ROTAX 503 DCDI , prop,etc. --0-1507143955-1087685522=:29157 I'm selling a Rotax 503DCDI with: electric start/oil injection/b-gear box/remote choke/throttle & choke cables/Rotax oil tank with low oil sensor, and indicator/3 blade Ivoprop, ground adjustable, 62" prop/lord mounts/muffler/shielded ignition wires/ignition switch/kill switch/upgraded regulator/2-5 gallon fuel tanks/solid-state fuel sensor with gauge/dual EGT/dual CHT/mini tach& hour meter/gel battery/manuals. Total hours are 51. I haven't flown in a couple of years, so decided to part out firestar II. No crash damage or abuse.It is still on ultralight, so come see and hear it run. Local only, too heavy to ship. Appoximately 35 miles NorthWest of Los Angeles, Ca. Bob Doebler 66 Dapplegray Rd. Bell Canyon, Ca. 91307 1-818-348-7075 doebler@sbcglobal.net --0-1507143955-1087685522=:29157 I'm selling a Rotax 503DCDI with: electric start/oil injection/b-gear box/remote choke/throttle choke cables/Rotax oil tank with low oil sensor, and indicator/3 blade Ivoprop, ground adjustable, 62" prop/lord mounts/muffler/shielded ignition wires/ignition switch/kill switch/upgraded regulator/2-5 gallon fuel tanks/solid-state fuel sensor with gauge/dual EGT/dual CHT/mini tach hour meter/gel battery/manuals. Total hours are 51. I haven't flown in a couple of years, so decided to part out firestar II. No crash damage or abuse.It is still on ultralight, so come see and hear it run. Local only, too heavy to ship. Appoximately 35 miles NorthWest of Los Angeles, Ca. Bob Doebler 66 Dapplegray Rd. Bell Canyon, Ca. 91307 1-818-348-7075 doebler@sbcglobal.net --0-1507143955-1087685522=:29157-- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:10:59 PM PST US From: Jim Cooper Subject: Subject: Pietenpol-List: 4 inch wider fuselage advice I'm no expert on these matters, but we bought someone else's GN1 project with a welded 4130 steel tube fuselage that had been widened unevenly, and the rear cockpit is somewhat wider than the front cockpit. When attaching a Cub J3 landing gear that we bought seperately, we found that landing gear was not even with the center line, and the wheels were towed in toward the front. From our best information, it seems that the wheels should parallel the center line. As a result my partner, who is more of an expert than I has had to make adjustments by adding about ten pounds of square tubing under the fuselage to reposition the brackets that hold the landing gear to straighten the wheels out so that they are aligned with the center line. Hopefully this may help others avoid making the same mistake. Jim Cooper ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:27:12 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 06/18/04 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Hi Don, If you look in the archives you can probably find several instances of this discussion. But the short version is - the reason Ash is specified is for its shock absorption qualities (the same reason Ash is used for ax handles, baseball bats and gymnastics parallel bars). Those planks tend to absorb the shock of landing loads if your landings are less than perfect. Besides, Ash does not split or crack easily. I would not substitute Oak. I found ash available in 1-1/4" thick planks 6' long at a local lumberyard. When I asked if it was white ash, they just laughed and said "Ash is ash". I don't know if there is a specific lumber known as white ash. I selected pieces with the grain as tight as I could find, and roughly parallel to the wide faces of the boards. It works nicely and doesn't splinter (another nice characteristic of ash which makes it ideal for tool handles). I don't remember what I paid for it but I recall it wasn't cheap, and that it cost more than Oak. If at all possible I would find and use ash for this application. Besides, it is pretty. Jack Phillips Still painting NX899JP in Raleigh, NC > > From: ADonJr@aol.com > Date: 2004/06/20 Sun AM 12:07:20 EDT > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 06/18/04 > > Hey, Fellas! (and gals, too, if any), > I have read everything I have about wood, and except for one comment that > hardwoods are mainly used in block form, I can find nothing about the > selection and use of hardwood. I am particularly wondering about the two pieces of > white ash in the fuselage, between the landing gear fittings. The plans > specify 3/4 X 2" cross members at the floor level. > How do you select the wood for these pieces...quarter sawn, vertical > grain, yadda, yadda, yadda or what? Could you substitute oak? I'd eally > appreciate the help of anyone who has dealt with this problem. Thanks in advance. > Don Cooley > Fairfield, CA > > P.S. Wish I could join you at Brodhead, maybe next year! DC > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:49:10 PM PST US From: "Christian Bobka" Subject: Re: Subject: Pietenpol-List: 4 inch wider fuselage advice Now you know why the project was sold! Chris do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Cooper To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 3:08 PM Subject: Subject: Pietenpol-List: 4 inch wider fuselage advice I'm no expert on these matters, but we bought someone else's GN1 project with a welded 4130 steel tube fuselage that had been widened unevenly, and the rear cockpit is somewhat wider than the front cockpit. When attaching a Cub J3 landing gear that we bought seperately, we found that landing gear was not even with the center line, and the wheels were towed in toward the front. From our best information, it seems that the wheels should parallel the center line. As a result my partner, who is more of an expert than I has had to make adjustments by adding about ten pounds of square tubing under the fuselage to reposition the brackets that hold the landing gear to straighten the wheels out so that they are aligned with the center line. Hopefully this may help others avoid making the same mistake. Jim Cooper ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:11 PM PST US From: WPTCorp@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop? Would someone help me a little. I live in Wyoming 5250 Elevation and have a 110 hp piet. with a blower fan motor no starter, hand prop only. Have 65/30 home made wood prop but am only getting 2250 rpms static and would like a little higher rpms. Was looking at a Warp drive but was told that a three blade was the only one they would recommend. I just want the best bang for my buck. Thanks David ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:55 PM PST US From: Borodent@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cabane X brace cables --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Borodent@aol.com Has anyone considered or done the folowing? Comments welcome I am installing brackets for cabane struts My concern is, I believe its possible for a piet to nose over and land upside down - with the wing acting as your roll cage. Wouldnt it be an improvement instead of having the X support ( from bottom of say rear left cabane to top of rear right cabane and visa versa ) instead of cables and turnbuckles - use strut sectrions or tube or rod. Wouldnt this make a much stronger roll cage?? Is my concern about roll over exagerated?? Of course this has a small weight penallty Henry Williams