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1. 08:26 AM - Re: Re: cabane X brace cables (Hubbard, Eugene)
2. 01:48 PM - One piece landing gear reinforcement straps and brackets (At7000ft@aol.com)
3. 02:09 PM - Re: One piece landing gear reinforcement straps and brackets (walt evans)
4. 02:15 PM - Re: One piece landing gear reinforcement straps and brackets ()
5. 02:52 PM - Brodhead (flywrite@erols.com)
6. 02:59 PM - Re: Re: cabane X brace cables (Dale Johnson)
7. 03:24 PM - Re: One piece landing gear reinforcement straps and brackets (At7000ft@aol.com)
8. 03:29 PM - Brodhead attendance (Barry Davis)
9. 04:40 PM - Re: Gussets and plywood question (Michael Conkling)
10. 04:43 PM - Re: Gussets and plywood question (Michael Conkling)
11. 05:24 PM - Re: One piece landing gear reinforcement straps and brackets (Laurits Larsen)
12. 05:53 PM - Re: One piece landing gear reinforcement straps and brackets ()
13. 07:09 PM - Re: One piece landing gear reinforcement straps and brackets ()
14. 07:20 PM - Shirts for sale (Christian Bobka)
15. 07:47 PM - signing off for a while (Oscar Zuniga)
16. 07:48 PM - Re: One piece landing gear reinforcement straps and brackets (Jim Markle)
17. 08:11 PM - John Dilatush (DOUGLAS BLACKBURN)
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| Subject: | Re: cabane X brace cables |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hubbard, Eugene" <ehubbard@titan.com>
Henry,
It sounds reasonable, but I would think that the cabane struts are be plenty
strong to hold up the weight of the airplane by themselves. All that a
diagonal strut or cables do is control racking. The diagonal tube would be
a bit of a pain to fit, and wouldn't really add much compression strength in
straight-forward roll-over.
I don't think your concern about rollover is exaggerated--I like the idea of
having that big wing spar over my head too.
Gene Hubbard
Waiting to put the wings on in San Diego
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cabane X brace cables
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Borodent@aol.com
Has anyone considered or done the folowing? Comments welcome
I am installing brackets for cabane struts
My concern is, I believe its possible for a piet to nose over and land
upside
down - with the wing acting as your roll cage. Wouldnt it be an
improvement
instead of having the X support ( from bottom of say rear left cabane to top
of rear right cabane and visa versa ) instead of cables and turnbuckles -
use
strut sectrions or tube or rod.
Wouldnt this make a much stronger roll cage??
Is my concern about roll over exagerated??
Of course this has a small weight penallty
Henry Williams
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| Subject: | One piece landing gear reinforcement straps and brackets |
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com
Instead of building 4 bottom landing gear attachment brackets and then adding reinforcement
straps and welding them between each pair of brackets, has anyone
tried making one-piece straps going the full width of the fuselage which incorporate
the brackets?
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| Subject: | Re: One piece landing gear reinforcement straps and brackets |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
It's just that anything that you build/fit to the fuse before fabric, After
you cover, the dimensions change and the fit will be off.
walt evans
NX140DL
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From: <At7000ft@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: One piece landing gear reinforcement straps and
brackets
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com
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> Instead of building 4 bottom landing gear attachment brackets and then
adding reinforcement straps and welding them between each pair of brackets,
has anyone tried making one-piece straps going the full width of the
fuselage which incorporate the brackets?
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| Subject: | Re: One piece landing gear reinforcement straps and brackets |
That is sort of what I did on mine. I built the solid axle version and this method
might not work for the split axle gear, but I made the straps run under the
fuselage and incorporated the fitting that the lift strut attaches to on each
end of the strap. The lift strut fittings were actually a sandwich made of
three pieces. the top piece was a lug welded to the outer landing gear attachment
fitting. The middle piece of the sandwich was the end of the underbelly
strap, and the lower piece of the sandwich was the end of the undercarriage bracing
wire fitting. This ties the landing gear and lift struts together and
should anything break, the airplane is suspended on the steel straps running under
the fuselage. See attached photo showing the "sandwich" while the fitting
was under construction. I apologize for the long download.
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC
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> From: At7000ft@aol.com
> Date: 2004/06/22 Tue PM 04:47:30 EDT
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: One piece landing gear reinforcement straps and brackets
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> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com
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> Instead of building 4 bottom landing gear attachment brackets and then adding
reinforcement straps and welding them between each pair of brackets, has anyone
tried making one-piece straps going the full width of the fuselage which incorporate
the brackets?
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "flywrite@erols.com" <flywrite@erols.com>
Dick and Georgeen Carden plan to attend. Flying into Madison, renting
a car for Brodhead (Fri-Sun)and then to OSH.
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| Subject: | Re: cabane X brace cables |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dale Johnson" <ddjohn@earthlink.net>
Henry
Don't use either . How are you going to get in the front hole.
Use pipe from upper engin mount to top of front cabine.
Dale Johnson Mpls.
> [Original Message]
> From: <Borodent@aol.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 6/21/2004 9:49:43 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cabane X brace cables
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> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Borodent@aol.com
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> Has anyone considered or done the folowing? Comments welcome
> I am installing brackets for cabane struts
> My concern is, I believe its possible for a piet to nose over and land
upside
> down - with the wing acting as your roll cage. Wouldnt it be an
improvement
> instead of having the X support ( from bottom of say rear left cabane to
top
> of rear right cabane and visa versa ) instead of cables and turnbuckles -
use
> strut sectrions or tube or rod.
> Wouldnt this make a much stronger roll cage??
> Is my concern about roll over exagerated??
> Of course this has a small weight penallty
> Henry Williams
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| Subject: | Re: One piece landing gear reinforcement straps and brackets |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com
Thanks guys, this was just the kind of thing I was thinking of doing.
Rick H.
Colorado
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That is sort of what I did on mine. I built the solid axle version and this method
might not work for the split axle gear, but I made the straps run under the
fuselage and incorporated the fitting that the lift strut attaches to on each
end of the strap. The lift strut fittings were actually a sandwich made of
three pieces. the top piece was a lug welded to the outer landing gear attachment
fitting. The middle piece of the sandwich was the end of the underbelly
strap, and the lower piece of the sandwich was the end of the undercarriage
bracing wire fitting. This ties the landing gear and lift struts together and
should anything break, the airplane is suspended on the steel straps running
under the fuselage. See attached photo showing the "sandwich" while the fitting
was under construction.
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| Subject: | Brodhead attendance |
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Count us in:
Barry Davis
Mike Annas
Harold Johnson
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| Subject: | Re: Gussets and plywood question |
For what it's worth -- a 1/2 sheet of 1/16 birch is about 4 lbs -- cut up
into 12" squares, it's a package 1" thick -- It will ship to Argentina in
about 10 days for $26 via "Airmail Letter Post".
Mike (who once shipped a bicycle wheel to Slovenia!)
Pretty Prairie, KS
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Markle
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question
Why can't we ship it to you? Maybe cut a sheet up into 2" or 4" strips or
8 1/2 X 11" pieces and mail them? Or even 11" X 17"....both "standard"
envelope sizes.... I know that's not optimum and there will be some waste,
but a bit of planning could eliminate a lot of that waste.....
I know that doesn't help with the leading edge covering maybe this
approach would work?
Let me know if that works for you and I'll go get some, cut it into strips
(or something like 8X10" pieces) and mail it.....I would think that your
total cost would be MUCH less than the Aircraft Spruce/Wicks route.....
Am I missing something? Seems like a good approach.....
Jim in Plano.....
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question
Santiago,
You may want to investigate using fiber/cardboard. You'd have to
research it, but my 83 yearold AP mentor tells me that many of the old
certifiied aricraft used like a fiber (actually paper I think) board, as
gusset material.
walt evans
NX140DL
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From: santiago morete
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 1:08 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question
Hello. As I previously said, Im from Argentina. Here is almost
impossible to get 1/16 plywood, my choices are buy it from Aircraft Spruce,
Wicks, etc.(really expensive), custom made plywood (we do have birch sheets,
about 0,6mm or .0236 inches) or use 1/8 cedar marine plywood (very cheap, 17
dollars for a 7' x 5,25 sheet) for the ribs gussets. I know that 1/8 has
been previously used but, would this add to much weight? What do you think?
Another question. Im able to buy 1/4 cedar plywood for the fuselage floor,
but this is just 3 ply. Could that work anyway? Thanks.
Santiago Morete
Internet gratis y que funciona!
Tres nuevas ciudades con nmeros locales:
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Qu espers para navegar bien y rpido?
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| Subject: | Re: Gussets and plywood question |
For what it's worth -- a 1/2 sheet of 1/16 birch is about 4 lbs -- cut up
into 12" squares, it's a package 1" thick -- It will ship to Argentina in
about 10 days for $26 via "Airmail Letter Post".
Mike (who once shipped a bicycle wheel to Slovenia!)
Pretty Prairie, KS
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Markle
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gussets and plywood question
Why can't we ship it to you? Maybe cut a sheet up into 2" or 4" strips or
8 1/2 X 11" pieces and mail them? Or even 11" X 17"....both "standard"
envelope sizes.... I know that's not optimum and there will be some waste,
but a bit of planning could eliminate a lot of that waste.....
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| Subject: | Re: One piece landing gear reinforcement straps and brackets |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Laurits Larsen" <pietlars@earthlink.net>
Hi:
Yes, it has been done before.
Thats what I did; routed out a groove in the bottom of the ash cross pieces
and installed the assemblies before I put the luan plywood floor piece in
place. This reminds me of another method re the floor. I temporarily
attached the ply with screws and fitted in place; the marked out the
locations of the rudder bar post and the front rudder pedals and installed
them on the ply before putting it in permanently.
One mistake I made was making the LG brackets per Bernies dimensions;
should have made the lift strut lugs longer.
Just another way of getting there.
See ya'll in Brodhead.
Lou Larsen
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From: <At7000ft@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: One piece landing gear reinforcement straps and
brackets
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: At7000ft@aol.com
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> Instead of building 4 bottom landing gear attachment brackets and then
adding reinforcement straps and welding them between each pair of brackets,
has anyone tried making one-piece straps going the full width of the
fuselage which incorporate the brackets?
>
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| Subject: | Re: One piece landing gear reinforcement straps and brackets |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
Read and head! Almost ALL of the lugs and
tabs should be made a little longer.
You will save yourself a lot of grief.
Greg Cardinal
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From: "Laurits Larsen"
<pietlars@earthlink.net>
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> One mistake I made was making the LG
brackets per Bernies dimensions;
> should have made the lift strut lugs
longer.
>
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| Subject: | Re: One piece landing gear reinforcement straps and brackets |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
That should say "Read and HEED".......
----- Original Message -----
From: <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One piece
landing gear reinforcement straps and
brackets
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
<gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
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> Read and head! Almost ALL of the lugs and
> tabs should be made a little longer.
> You will save yourself a lot of grief.
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> Greg Cardinal
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Laurits Larsen"
> <pietlars@earthlink.net>
> >
> > One mistake I made was making the LG
> brackets per Bernies dimensions;
> > should have made the lift strut lugs
> longer.
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Guys,
Bill Weeden still has some nice shirts for sale. A sample picture of the back
of one of the shirt types is below. 15 bucks each and he has already "lost his
shirt" on these. I just got five.
Chris
Chris,
OK, here's what I have left. There will probably never be any more
after these are gone.
All are adult sizes.
SMALL - 1
MEDIUM - 10
LARGE - 13
I'll send you as many as you want. $15 each. I can ship one shirt
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I don't think I've shipped more than two at a time. However many you
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Thanks,
Bill
p.s. I also have four of the SCOUT shirts left, all are size LARGE.
Printed in three colors on the front only. They are $12 each.
billrobin@wekz.net
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| Subject: | signing off for a while |
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Hello, Pieters-
In preparation for heading out for a week's vacation to celebrate our 35th
wedding anniversary, I'll be signing off the Piet list for a while. We
leave the first of July, so I'll get back on the list when I get back and
see if I've gotten Corky's Piet ferried down to Texas to start its new life
here!
Thanks...
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: One piece landing gear reinforcement straps and brackets |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Please be more careful with your spelling!!!
My ex-wife is a RED HEAD.......
----- Original Message -----
From: <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One piece landing gear reinforcement straps and
brackets
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
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> That should say "Read and HEED".......
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 7:53 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One piece
> landing gear reinforcement straps and
> brackets
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> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
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> > Read and head! Almost ALL of the lugs and
> > tabs should be made a little longer.
> > You will save yourself a lot of grief.
> >
> > Greg Cardinal
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Laurits Larsen"
> > <pietlars@earthlink.net>
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> > > One mistake I made was making the LG
> > brackets per Bernies dimensions;
> > > should have made the lift strut lugs
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