Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Tue 07/20/04


Total Messages Posted: 29



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 03:03 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/18/04 (Tugwilsons@aol.com)
     2. 03:11 AM - Re:Mike King insurance (Tugwilsons@aol.com)
     3. 04:33 AM - Re: Photos posted - Tick Hill (Michael D Cuy)
     4. 04:50 AM - Re: TACO membership (Michael D Cuy)
     5. 06:03 AM - Tour America (Isablcorky@aol.com)
     6. 06:03 AM - Re: TACO membership (TomTravis@aol.com)
     7. 06:42 AM - Re: TACO membership (Michael D Cuy)
     8. 07:04 AM - Re: Re:Mike King insurance (Mike King)
     9. 07:46 AM - Re: Insurance (Mike King)
    10. 08:48 AM - Model "A" Cam Shaft (Ron Kaser)
    11. 10:57 AM - Re: TACO membership (Larry Ragan)
    12. 12:34 PM - Chuck Gantzer Touring America (Isablcorky@aol.com)
    13. 12:45 PM - Re: Chuck Gantzer Touring America (Michael D Cuy)
    14. 12:52 PM - A blazing take- off from Bluebird (Isablcorky@aol.com)
    15. 01:05 PM - drain valves (Ed Grentzer)
    16. 01:33 PM - Re: Model "A" Cam Shaft (Ed Grentzer)
    17. 01:40 PM - Re: TACO membership (KTS5TA6@wmconnect.com)
    18. 01:41 PM - Re: TACO membership (KTS5TA6@wmconnect.com)
    19. 01:43 PM - Re: TACO membership (KTS5TA6@wmconnect.com)
    20. 02:40 PM - Re: A blazing take- off from Bluebird (walt evans)
    21. 03:19 PM - sport pilot (walt evans)
    22. 06:51 PM - prop (Richard Navratil)
    23. 07:05 PM - Re: Tour America (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
    24. 07:12 PM - Chuck Gantzer America Tour (Isablcorky@aol.com)
    25. 07:13 PM - Re: Chuck Gantzer Touring America (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
    26. 07:14 PM - Re: Tour America (Isablcorky@aol.com)
    27. 07:14 PM - Re: Chuck Gantzer Touring America (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
    28. 07:24 PM - Re: Insurance (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
    29. 09:49 PM - Tick Hill - notes (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:03:47 AM PST US
    From: Tugwilsons@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/18/04
    Hello, I saw a reference on the digest to the Pietenpols gross weight as 1250lbs. Here in England the Piet with 6"x1" routed spruce spar is only rated at 1080lbs though I don"t know where this figure came from. Does anyone know if the stress calculations for this type of spar have been done? Or if they are available? regards Tug Wilson


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    Time: 03:11:46 AM PST US
    From: Tugwilsons@aol.com
    Subject: Re:Mike King insurance
    Hi Mike , Do you have an e-mail address for this insurance company? regards Tug Wilson


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    Time: 04:33:18 AM PST US
    From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
    Subject: Re: Photos posted - Tick Hill
    Great photos--- looks like a super time for everyone in the bunch ! Mike C. do not archive >http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=208


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    Time: 04:50:39 AM PST US
    From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
    Subject: Re: TACO membership
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Sterling-- I for one would certainly like to become a member of TACO and know that Jim Sury of Needville-Fairchilds is a shoe-in for membership as he's been flying his plane now for some six years I believe. All I need is a nomination seeing that I'm from Ohio. I guess I know so many of you guys from Texas via e-mail and otherwise that I feel like I have kin over there. The only difference between a TACO (Texas Air Camper Organization) and a BACO (Buckeye Air Camper Organization) member is that we only get to fly 6 mos out of the year and not 12. Oh, and maybe we skip Corona's more often in deference to more local beers like Milwaukee's Best:) I wonder if the Wisconsin Chapter will be called WACOS ? Anyway, thanks for the great opportunity to join your group. Mike C. in Ohio Aspiring TACO Honorary Member do not archive


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    Time: 06:03:06 AM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Tour America
    Chuck appeared over Bluebird Hill yesterday at 1935 and landed after two high speed smoke runs. He was met by Edwin Johnson, Isabelle and Corky. After fueling and hangaring went to Corky's for Beer and shrimp and other Isabelle goodies. IT's 7:53 and he's still upstairs sleeping like a baby. He'll depart Bluebird sometime this morning on a 10 degree heading for Arkadelphia, Ark and parts north bound for Brodhead. Pilot in good shape and spirits. YKW


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    Time: 06:03:06 AM PST US
    From: TomTravis@aol.com
    Subject: Re: TACO membership
    Sterling, I'd like to nominate Mike Cuy for membership in HOT TACO. He's contributed so much to the Pietenpol community that I think we can overlook his lack of knowledge about beer. Maybe we can get him down to Texas and properly indoctrinate him. Tom Travis


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    Time: 06:42:59 AM PST US
    From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
    Subject: Re: TACO membership
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Gosh, THANKS Tom Travis, fellow Pieter and all omniscient beverage connoisseur. I appreciate you nominating me even though I'm just a Buckeye in a big forest. I've got to get to Texas to visit Jim and Margaret someday so maybe the rest of you can teach me good English. Right now I speak with an accent I'm told:)) Mike C. Nominated HOT TACO in waiting:)) do not archive


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    Time: 07:04:35 AM PST US
    From: "Mike King" <mike@mking.us>
    Subject: Re:Mike King insurance
    Tug, Here is the contact info: Lisa Alderson Aviation Manager BUTLER-BROWN INSURANCE, INC. 309 High Avenue East P.O. BOX 410 Oskaloosa, IA 52577 641 673-8603 800 934-7763 www.butlerbrownins.com <http://www.butlerbrownins.com/> bbins@butlerbrown.com Hope that helps. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tugwilsons@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re:Mike King insurance Hi Mike , Do you have an e-mail address for this insurance company? regards Tug Wilson


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    Time: 07:46:23 AM PST US
    From: "Mike King" <mike@mking.us>
    Subject: Insurance
    Sorry guys. I guess that one got by me. My GN-1 came to me (I'm the fifth owner) with a McCauley 69x39 metal prop on an A-80 Cont. The original builder had a wooden 72x42 Univair prop. The third owner put the current prop on it. Bottom line, I want to change it back to the larger wooden 72x42 prop for better performance. I believe that and installing gap seals will make it even more responsive. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DJ Vegh Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance I asked that same question a couple weeks ago and never got an answer... maybe two "askers" might get an answer. :) DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Sloan <mailto:alexms1@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance Mike, What are you using to turn the prop? Alex Sloan ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike King <mailto:mike@mking.us> Group Subject: Pietenpol-List: Insurance Gang, A couple of weeks ago I requested any information regarding current insurance rates. My plane was down for two years but is now current and ready to go. Since that time, I have insured the plane with Butler-Brown Insurance of Oskaloosa, Iowa. 1985 Grega GN-1 Hangered Hull All Risk - $10,000 Deductibles: $100 Not in Motion $1,000 in Motion Liability - $1,000,000 combined single limits $1000,000 per passenger Medical Coverage - $3,000 per seat Approved for Pleasure and business Annual Premium - $560.00 Coverage held through US Specialty Insurance Company Thanks for all your input. I hope this might help some builders out there. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas


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    Time: 08:48:37 AM PST US
    From: "Ron Kaser" <rak67@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Model "A" Cam Shaft
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ron Kaser" <rak67@hotmail.com> I'm working on the engine for my Pietenpol and have 2 cam shafts with different dimensions on the llobes. Can someone direct to where I can get specs on Model A cam shafts so I can determine if I have an "A", "B", or modified cam shaft. Thanks Ron Kaser New to this list from Kellogg MN Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/


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    Time: 10:57:55 AM PST US
    From: "Larry Ragan" <lragan@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: TACO membership
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Larry Ragan" <lragan@hotmail.com> Being a native Texan, I was proud to see my fellow Lone Star compatriots form the HOT TACO organization. I think that's going to lead to othernew Air Camper groups. Perhaps: California Air Camper Assn.- CACA (no comment) Florida Air Camper Organization - FLACO (for us skinny people, or those of us who wish we were) I'm sure there'll be others. Larry Ragan Jacksonville, Fl. lragan@hotmail.com Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living.


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    Time: 12:34:50 PM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Chuck Gantzer Touring America
    Well, after a hearty breakfast and some flight planning, a trip to Wallie's for some additional baby (smoke) oil and other things, more flight planning, pre fighting, loading and unloading and loading he finally took off for Arkadelphia at 1400 hrs blazing smoke down the runway. He will stop either at Arkadelphia, Hot Springs, Petite Jean State Park or Mountain Home for an overnight. He is healthy and in good spririts Corky


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    Time: 12:45:58 PM PST US
    From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
    Subject: Re: Chuck Gantzer Touring America
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Corky-- great update on Chuck's tourstop at your place. I'll bet he will be coming back. I would be ! PS-- Baby oil for smoke oil, eh ? Now that's a good idea. Plus I'll bet his hands are smooth as a baby's butt. Did you shake his hand ? The stuff I use just smells like airshow. Well, that isn't all bad either. Mike C. do not archive


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    Time: 12:52:15 PM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: A blazing take- off from Bluebird
    A few pics of Chuck's first visit to Louisiana


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    Time: 01:05:01 PM PST US
    From: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
    Subject: drain valves
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120@hotmail.com> Hey guys...I'm just finishing up the mold for my composite 12 gallon cowl tank and I need to know if a cowl tank has a drain valve for draining off water from the sump or is that a no no cause it might leak inside the plane?????? Thanks in advance Ed .... PS I got side tracked by a female for about a year but she's gone and I'm back to building.....Have a great time at Brodhead...wish I could make it but I have to work http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/


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    Time: 01:33:00 PM PST US
    From: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Model "A" Cam Shaft
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120@hotmail.com> Hi Ron I have an old Mac's ford Model A cataloge with specs in the back. It says the A cam is 1 9/16" diameter on the bearings with a .302 lift....Hope that helps Ed >From: "Ron Kaser" <rak67@hotmail.com> >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model "A" Cam Shaft >Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:08:09 -0500 > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ron Kaser" <rak67@hotmail.com> > >I'm working on the engine for my Pietenpol and have 2 cam shafts with >different dimensions on the llobes. Can someone direct to where I can get >specs on Model A cam shafts so I can determine if I have an "A", "B", or >modified cam shaft. > > Thanks Ron Kaser > >New to this list from Kellogg MN > >_________________________________________________________________ >Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ > > Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/


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    Time: 01:40:07 PM PST US
    From: KTS5TA6@wmconnect.com
    Subject: Re: TACO membership
    Hey... Us folks down here in Texas are only privy to have the honor of being a TACO Head Honcho for the town we live in. The membership card I am sending you states you are the Head Honcho for the entire state of Ohio. Nobody else has that honor, just Lindy guys. PACO (since I may have offended a few Baptist preachers at Tick Hill concerning the beer thing) Preachers Air Camper Organization Your card and spiffy Tee Shirt will be in the mail muy pronto. Leaving for Broadhead by car tomorrow unless my parents have some kind of emergency. My mom now has brain cancer and is taking radiation every day at a $1,000 a pop. And speaking of my Pop, he is staying here, so those folks at Broadhead won't get to hear nay good war stories I am afraid. Adios and Blue Skies S.B.


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    Time: 01:41:05 PM PST US
    From: KTS5TA6@wmconnect.com
    Subject: Re: TACO membership
    Consider it done. I am already working on his membership card. Mike is so good, he is exempt from the Corona indictment!


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    Time: 01:43:32 PM PST US
    From: KTS5TA6@wmconnect.com
    Subject: Re: TACO membership
    Larry: Your card is in the computer ready to be printed. I guess we will try and put a gator on it somewhere. What address do I send the card to?


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    Time: 02:40:38 PM PST US
    From: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: A blazing take- off from Bluebird
    Corky and Chuck, A big thumbs up from me!!! Those pics are GREAT!! He's doing a thing we all would want to do. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 3:51 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A blazing take- off from Bluebird A few pics of Chuck's first visit to Louisiana


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    Time: 03:19:31 PM PST US
    From: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
    Subject: sport pilot
    http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/sportpilot/ walt evans NX140DL


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    Time: 06:51:28 PM PST US
    From: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: prop
    I was just browsing Barnstormers and came across a Sensenich Metal Prop for sale. It's in the antique classic heading for $1500. Listed by Bill Robicheau in Montillo, Wi. 608-429-2899. Dick N.


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    Time: 07:05:57 PM PST US
    From: BARNSTMR@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Tour America
    In a message dated 7/20/2004 8:03:52 AM Central Standard Time, Isablcorky@aol.com writes: > He'll depart Bluebird sometime this morning on a 10 degree heading for > Arkadelphia, Ark and parts north bound for Brodhead. I am not laying any money on that Morning departure.... He was 3pm getting away from Tick aHill Yesterday. :)


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    Time: 07:12:12 PM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Chuck Gantzer America Tour
    A moment ago Chuck called in from Mountain View, Arkansas. Said he has never flown through more beautiful country. Left Bluebird in Shreveport at 1400, stopped for fuel and baby oil in Arkadelphia, and flew on to Mt, View for a total flight of just under 6 hrs. He opted for a hotel tonight and admitted he's dragging -ss. He may encounter some non-Pietenpol weather as he penetrates Missouri and Illinois. Corky


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    Time: 07:13:21 PM PST US
    From: BARNSTMR@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Chuck Gantzer Touring America
    In a message dated 7/20/2004 2:35:33 PM Central Standard Time, Isablcorky@aol.com writes: > he finally took off for Arkadelphia at 1400 hrs blazing smoke down the > runway I figured as much.... ahhh.... the life of a real live barnstormer...no set schedule... sleep in....fly out sometime after lunch....fly 'til dark....Chuck is our Hero!


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    Time: 07:14:13 PM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Tour America
    I fully understand what you are saying. I finally persuaded him into a 2 PM departure.


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    Time: 07:14:36 PM PST US
    From: BARNSTMR@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Chuck Gantzer Touring America
    In a message dated 7/20/2004 2:46:25 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov writes: > PS-- Baby oil for smoke oil, eh ? Now that's a good idea. Plus I'll > bet his hands are smooth as a baby's butt. Did you shake his hand ? > > The stuff I use just smells like airshow. I have to say.....that baby oil stuff has a sweet smell to it.


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    Time: 07:24:15 PM PST US
    From: BARNSTMR@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Insurance
    Mike... One thing to keep in mind is that the A-80 was designed to get its 80 hp at 2700 rpm. If you put that longer prop with 42 pitch...it will probably not turn up enough RPMs to make 80 hp. My guess is that it will probably only make about 2300 rpm static with the 72-42. You'll get the best takeoff performance from a prop that will allow the engine make near the 2700 RPM as rated. Terry


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    Time: 09:49:06 PM PST US
    From: BARNSTMR@aol.com
    Subject: Tick Hill - notes
    Group, We want to say to all those who came to our place on Sunday....Thanks for coming! This comes from me and my wife Leann....the kids....and my in-laws (and Piet partners)...Lon and Carolyn Carr. I feel proud to be a part of a GREAT bunch of folks. It seems like the ol' Pietenpol Air Camper just attracts fine down-home folks. It was great to put a face with all the names I correspond with. Everyone who came treated us and our property with the utmost respect and all contributed to make the cookout wonderful. It was truly a special event for me and my family. We will remember this for a ling time. And having Chuck here in his REAL-LIVE flying Piet was a treat. Watching him circling above Tick Hill with the smoke trail really helps inspire one to work harder on that project. Here's a run-down of most of the people who attended. I am kicking myself for not having a sign-in sheet or a guestbook. I am sure I am leaving some out...but here goes....... 1st to arrive in a tiny red sports car were Doyle Combs and His Grandson (also Doyle). Doyle tells me he was a Baptist preacher for several years...lives in Lometa TX. Doyle and Doyle are just about finished with their cross-bred Piet-N-Grega GN-3 Aircamper... or something like that. His airplane is powered with a Subaru engine. Doyle...glad you came....looks like you have your grandson off to a great future as a Piet enthusiast. Y'all come back to Tick Hill in your airplane soon. Next to arrive were Mr&Mrs Hank Styne and their Piet-N-Partners..Mr&Mrs Chuck Jackson. Both arrived in stylish white cars...one a Town Car, I think. I've seen their pretty little A-65 Pietenpol in Grandview TX...and it is a sweet looking bird. Hank...its too bad you had a fuel leak in the site gage. Hope you can bring your airplane down to see us again soon. While talking to them I suddenly heard the hum of an airplane....looked up in time to see Tom Travis and Mike King buzz in from Dallas in Tom's "Ratty 'ol Bonanza". Tom.... if your Piet turns out that RATTY...I am sure it will be a beauty. I barely got time to see them land...when I noticed several more folks coming in. Max and Andi Davis brought in a watermelon which we later devoured. Others who arrived were Morris Norwood... Sterling Brooks... and local friends...Chris and Michelle Hoke. Everyone stood around a bit getting acquainted and then we all went to look over our Piet project out in the shop. We heard from Jim Markle that he was going to be a NO-SHOW. Jim was really disappointed to have to break the news. We were too, JIm. I am sure tho that your family needed you more than we did. I hope you guys have a safe and fun trip to Disney. Mike King and I went into the office to download his pictures from earlier that day. Mike and Tom had met up with Chuck Gantzer on his first Texas stop in McKinney at Aero Country airport. They had left awhile ahead of Chuck for the V-tail ride to Tick Hill. We were enjoying the photos when my son Benny burst in to say..."HE'S HERE". We all went outside and looked up to see a little red piet overhead puffing out beautiful white smoke against the Blue sky. What a site. Everyone made their way out near the runway to watch a couple of sweet smelling fly-bys...with a big YEEEEE HAWWWW from our hero, Chuck. Then he brought it in for a nice touch-down...and was greeted by all as he shut down. More visiting...lots of stories and smiles...and a photo session...I couldn't help but notice how we had a diverse group of interesting and eccentric folks. There was a Boeing 777 airline pilot...a retired engineer, a truck driver.... a Pastor.... you name it...everyone likes Piets. It was then time to light off the grill. Lots of folks pitched in to help with the food. Burgers...chips....cole slaw...cookies... cake....watermelon...iced tea... As good as all that was...I could hardly eat for all the excitement.... plus.... the sun getting low in the sky.....it was time to go FLY! Some folks had to leave...some stayed. Some had rides in the Taylorcraft...some in the Piet. Some made a run into town for more baby oil...(for Chuck's smoke system). We did some air-to-air formation flying...got some great pictures of Chuck in his Piet...and some of the t-craft. The kids got rides....and the older kids too. As the sun was setting against the Horizon....Tom and Mike climbed back into the Bonanza and burst out for the trip back to big D. By dark...we went in to the house to soak up a little AC and replenish the hydration levels. Leann had the couch bed all made up for Chuck. She and the kids went on to bed... As for me and Lon, and Chuck....we stayed out in the shop going over the project Piet for hours....I think we finally hit the sack around 1:30 am. I had scheduled a vacation day for Monday...so I was all set for another fun day ahead. I barely got any sleep for tossing and turning with visions of Pietenpol formation flying in my head. Monday morning.... Lon and I were up early... Cinnamon rolls in the oven...fueling up the T-craft...getting ready to escort Chuck to Shreveport or most of the way. We assumed Chuck would like to get an early start. As the morning wore on.... it became more and more obvious that Chuck seemed in no particular hurry. He gave my kids rides in the airplane....and they practiced their TP bombing skills over Tick Hill. Benny was perfectly on target and by the end of the flight had also learned the proper articulation of YEEEE HAAWWWWs from the master himself....Chuck. We finally got around to doing some flight planning by noon or so.....and the Texas Sun bore down....topping out around 99 degrees by the time we were ready to head out toward Bluebird Hill. Finally...we took-off at 3pm. Forming up on his right wing....we zigged and zagged along an easterly course with Chuck leading the way. Its amazing to me how many birds like to fly at 2000 ft. AGL. It was pretty hazy that day. Very slight headwind. Over Mexia TX...Lon and I pulled the T-craft in close for a wing-waggle farewell and wished our Barnstorming friend a safe journey. We peeled off and headed for home ....both of us with great big smiles from a great Weekend of fun and Pietenpol fellowship. Again....to Chuck...and to all who came. Thanks for coming...and keep moving forward on those projects so you can all fly-in to Tick Hill sometime soon. Terry B.




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