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1. 02:51 AM - Re: Where do I get the spruce? (Jack Phillips)
2. 05:21 AM - Re: Where do I get the spruce? (tmbrant1@netzero.net)
3. 06:08 AM - Re: Where do I get the spruce? (Eric Williams)
4. 07:01 AM - Re: YEEE HAAAAWWWW !!! (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
5. 07:01 AM - Re: Where do I get the spruce? (Ron Hargrove)
6. 07:36 AM - Re: Where do I get the spruce? (Jim Markle)
7. 08:32 AM - Brodhead 2004 photos and tales (Bill Church)
8. 08:59 AM - Re: Brodhead 2004 photos and tales (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
9. 09:46 AM - Re: YEEE HAAAAWWWW !!! >>>>OFF LIST<<<<< (Gary Gower)
10. 10:07 AM - LEADING EDGE TAPE (gap seal) (Mike King)
11. 10:32 AM - Woodkit List (Jim Markle)
12. 10:33 AM - Re: LEADING EDGE TAPE (gap seal) (Doyle Combs)
13. 10:47 AM - Re: Where do I get the spruce? (N925WB1@aol.com)
14. 11:17 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 07/28/04 (Franck)
15. 11:51 AM - tee- shirts (LAWRENCE WILLIAMS)
16. 12:10 PM - Re: Fitting out your Pietenpol (Carl D. Vought)
17. 12:20 PM - TACO update (Don't read if you are a sourpuss) (KTS5TA6@wmconnect.com)
18. 12:27 PM - Re: TACO update (Don't read if you are a sourpuss) (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
19. 12:37 PM - Re: Fitting out your Pietenpol (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
20. 12:39 PM - Re: Where do I get the spruce? (Ron Hargrove)
21. 02:17 PM - Re: Fitting out your Pietenpol (Mike King)
22. 02:22 PM - TACO design (Jeff Hill)
23. 02:35 PM - Fw: Chuck (Isablcorky@aol.com)
24. 02:45 PM - Re: Brodhead 2004 photos and tales (walt evans)
25. 07:41 PM - [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
26. 09:43 PM - Pictures tell SO much!!! (Jim Markle)
27. 11:00 PM - Re: LEADING EDGE TAPE (gap seal) (Shawn Wolk)
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Subject: | Where do I get the spruce? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Depending on where in Kentucky you are, you might want to drive to Iliinois
to Wicks and bring your wood back home yourself, rather than have them ship
it. Shipping the spars and the longerons and a couple of full size sheets
of plywood cost me nearly $200.
Good luck!
Jack
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Hargrove
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce?
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Hargrove <ronhargrove@gmail.com>
Thanks for the responses! I live in Kentucky, so that may be a factor
with the shipping. I will definately order both the catalogs to check
out the prices. I have been poring over the plans, and my heart is
still beating fast just thinking about realizing this dream!
Ron
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:14:38 -0400, Jack Phillips
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
> Hi Ron,
>
> I got most of mine from Wicks Aircraft Supply. Good wood, and fast
> shipping, but the shipping can cost nearly as much as the wood. Aircraft
> Spruce and Specialty is also good quality, but they are slow on shipping
> spruce, and they are expensive (so is Wick's).
>
> If you don't have catalogs from each of these companies, get them. Both
> have websites, and both offer free catalogs that have just about
everything
> you will need to build an airplane. Personally, I like Wicks better.
AS&S
> is just a little too pricey.
>
> Jack
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
> Hargrove
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 6:39 PM
> To: Pietenpol-List@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce?
>
> * > Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Hargrove <ronhargrove@gmail.com>
>
> Ok guys, I finally got my plans, and while I am studying them for awhile,
I
> was wondering if I could get some input on where to get the sitka spruce,
or
> even better, where NOT to get the wood? Also, does anyone out there have a
> slightly used builders manual they would be willing to part with at a
> reasonable price? Or is it available online somewhere?
> Many thanks,
> Ron
>
> advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Where do I get the spruce? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.net" <tmbrant1@netzero.net>
Another option for you could be Mckormicks Lumber in Madison Wisconsin. Prices
are very good for rough sawn spruce. They don't stamp it "aircraft grade" but
95% meets the criteria for aircraft spars. The down side of their lumber -
if you don't have a planer, jointer you'll need them. The up side - I got all
the spruce for my fuselage and tail section for @ $300.
For plywood, you could check into marine grade stuff in your area. there might
be some boat builders around that sell it. There happens to be a source here
in minnesota which I got mine from. It's british marine grade okoume. I got
a 4 x 8 sheet of 1/8" (metric equivelent) for about $40. Compare that to a 4
x 8 sheet of aircraft grade okoume from Aircraft Spruce or Wicks - about $100.
Just my 2 cents.
Tom Brant
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Subject: | Where do I get the spruce? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams" <ewilliams805@msn.com>
I agree with Jack here. Wick's is in Highland Illinois, 30 miles East of
St. Louis and about 2 1/2 hours from Paducah Kentucky. I lived 15 miles
from Highland until 3 weeks ago - now I'm 900 miles away so my easy Saturday
afternoon pick-up plan is out the window.
Eric
>From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce?
>Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 05:50:43 -0400
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"
><pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
>Depending on where in Kentucky you are, you might want to drive to Iliinois
>to Wicks and bring your wood back home yourself, rather than have them ship
>it. Shipping the spars and the longerons and a couple of full size sheets
>of plywood cost me nearly $200.
>
>Good luck!
>
>Jack
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
>Hargrove
>Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:05 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce?
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Hargrove <ronhargrove@gmail.com>
>
>Thanks for the responses! I live in Kentucky, so that may be a factor
>with the shipping. I will definately order both the catalogs to check
>out the prices. I have been poring over the plans, and my heart is
>still beating fast just thinking about realizing this dream!
>
>Ron
>
>On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:14:38 -0400, Jack Phillips
><pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"
><pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > Hi Ron,
> >
> > I got most of mine from Wicks Aircraft Supply. Good wood, and fast
> > shipping, but the shipping can cost nearly as much as the wood.
>Aircraft
> > Spruce and Specialty is also good quality, but they are slow on shipping
> > spruce, and they are expensive (so is Wick's).
> >
> > If you don't have catalogs from each of these companies, get them. Both
> > have websites, and both offer free catalogs that have just about
>everything
> > you will need to build an airplane. Personally, I like Wicks better.
>AS&S
> > is just a little too pricey.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
> > Hargrove
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 6:39 PM
> > To: Pietenpol-List@matronics.com
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce?
> >
> > * > Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Hargrove
><ronhargrove@gmail.com>
> >
> > Ok guys, I finally got my plans, and while I am studying them for
>awhile,
>I
> > was wondering if I could get some input on where to get the sitka
>spruce,
>or
> > even better, where NOT to get the wood? Also, does anyone out there have
>a
> > slightly used builders manual they would be willing to part with at a
> > reasonable price? Or is it available online somewhere?
> > Many thanks,
> > Ron
> >
> > advertising on the Matronics Forums.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Re: YEEE HAAAAWWWW !!! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Chuck,
We're glad to hear from you and know that everythings going well for you. Hopefully
next year we can join you for more of the trip.
Have fun and BE SAFE.
--
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
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Subject: | Re: Where do I get the spruce? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Hargrove <ronhargrove@gmail.com>
I did a mapquest search, and it is 320 miles to Highland from here,
which would probably eliminate a drive. Wicks contacted me, but they
don't have a standard matierials list for a Pietenpol on file. Does
anyone know of a previous post that has a matierials list posted that
I can send them for a quote?
Many thanks for everyones responses!
Ron
On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:08:45 -0500, Eric Williams <ewilliams805@msn.com> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams" <ewilliams805@msn.com>
>
> I agree with Jack here. Wick's is in Highland Illinois, 30 miles East of
> St. Louis and about 2 1/2 hours from Paducah Kentucky. I lived 15 miles
> from Highland until 3 weeks ago - now I'm 900 miles away so my easy Saturday
> afternoon pick-up plan is out the window.
>
> Eric
>
> >From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce?
> >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 05:50:43 -0400
>
>
> >
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"
> ><pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> >
> >Depending on where in Kentucky you are, you might want to drive to Iliinois
> >to Wicks and bring your wood back home yourself, rather than have them ship
> >it. Shipping the spars and the longerons and a couple of full size sheets
> >of plywood cost me nearly $200.
> >
> >Good luck!
> >
> >Jack
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
> >Hargrove
> >Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:05 PM
> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce?
> >
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Hargrove <ronhargrove@gmail.com>
> >
> >Thanks for the responses! I live in Kentucky, so that may be a factor
> >with the shipping. I will definately order both the catalogs to check
> >out the prices. I have been poring over the plans, and my heart is
> >still beating fast just thinking about realizing this dream!
> >
> >Ron
> >
> >On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:14:38 -0400, Jack Phillips
> ><pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"
> ><pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> > >
> > > Hi Ron,
> > >
> > > I got most of mine from Wicks Aircraft Supply. Good wood, and fast
> > > shipping, but the shipping can cost nearly as much as the wood.
> >Aircraft
> > > Spruce and Specialty is also good quality, but they are slow on shipping
> > > spruce, and they are expensive (so is Wick's).
> > >
> > > If you don't have catalogs from each of these companies, get them. Both
> > > have websites, and both offer free catalogs that have just about
> >everything
> > > you will need to build an airplane. Personally, I like Wicks better.
> >AS&S
> > > is just a little too pricey.
> > >
> > > Jack
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
> > > Hargrove
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 6:39 PM
> > > To: Pietenpol-List@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce?
> > >
> > > * > Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Hargrove
> ><ronhargrove@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > Ok guys, I finally got my plans, and while I am studying them for
> >awhile,
> >I
> > > was wondering if I could get some input on where to get the sitka
> >spruce,
> >or
> > > even better, where NOT to get the wood? Also, does anyone out there have
> >a
> > > slightly used builders manual they would be willing to part with at a
> > > reasonable price? Or is it available online somewhere?
> > > Many thanks,
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > advertising on the Matronics Forums.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Where do I get the spruce? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Well, a list wouldn't have done me much good...seems like I built 2 or 3 of
everything.....especially the metal fittings....
I've found some real bargains on eBay and Barnstormers.com. Keep an eye on
those sources. Also your local EAA chapter (no one should even consider
building a Piet without EAA chapter involvement....). I'll bet there's
someone in a nearby chapter that knows of "a stack of spruce" from some
failed past project. After my local chapter found out what I was building,
one fellow told me he had "some spruce laying around" that he had started
using as a source of trim lumber for a room he was building in his
hanger....it was nice of him NOT to laugh at those big tears running down my
cheek as he spoke those words....(just kidding). Thank goodness he had only
used one piece for trim so far and I bought the rest (for about $.10 on the
dollar). Not one piece fit the Piet "materials list" but with a bit of
planing/laminating/scarfing I ended up with a LOT of what I needed.
One thing for sure.....as soon as you find what you're looking for, MANY
more sources will just "pop up" out of nowhere!!!
I also did a mapquest search......and Plano TX is NOT on your way
home...otherwise I would tell you to pick up the rough sawn stuff and "stop
by".....I just got my planer blades sharpened and they could use some
exercise! There's likely someone in your area that has a planer so I would
keep that in mind......I've heard that many of the Pietenpol "materials
lists" you get from commercial suppliers aren't "dead on" the correct
thickness....
Jim in Plano, sitting here looking at a completed (well, not
sandblasted/powder coated yet) rudder bar assembly.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Hargrove" <ronhargrove@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce?
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Hargrove <ronhargrove@gmail.com>
>
> I did a mapquest search, and it is 320 miles to Highland from here,
> which would probably eliminate a drive. Wicks contacted me, but they
> don't have a standard matierials list for a Pietenpol on file. Does
> anyone know of a previous post that has a matierials list posted that
> I can send them for a quote?
>
> Many thanks for everyones responses!
> Ron
>
> On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:08:45 -0500, Eric Williams <ewilliams805@msn.com>
wrote:
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams"
<ewilliams805@msn.com>
> >
> > I agree with Jack here. Wick's is in Highland Illinois, 30 miles East
of
> > St. Louis and about 2 1/2 hours from Paducah Kentucky. I lived 15 miles
> > from Highland until 3 weeks ago - now I'm 900 miles away so my easy
Saturday
> > afternoon pick-up plan is out the window.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > >From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce?
> > >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 05:50:43 -0400
> >
> >
> > >
> > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"
> > ><pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> > >
> > >Depending on where in Kentucky you are, you might want to drive to
Iliinois
> > >to Wicks and bring your wood back home yourself, rather than have them
ship
> > >it. Shipping the spars and the longerons and a couple of full size
sheets
> > >of plywood cost me nearly $200.
> > >
> > >Good luck!
> > >
> > >Jack
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> > >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
> > >Hargrove
> > >Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:05 PM
> > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce?
> > >
> > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Hargrove
<ronhargrove@gmail.com>
> > >
> > >Thanks for the responses! I live in Kentucky, so that may be a factor
> > >with the shipping. I will definately order both the catalogs to check
> > >out the prices. I have been poring over the plans, and my heart is
> > >still beating fast just thinking about realizing this dream!
> > >
> > >Ron
> > >
> > >On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:14:38 -0400, Jack Phillips
> > ><pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"
> > ><pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> > > >
> > > > Hi Ron,
> > > >
> > > > I got most of mine from Wicks Aircraft Supply. Good wood, and fast
> > > > shipping, but the shipping can cost nearly as much as the wood.
> > >Aircraft
> > > > Spruce and Specialty is also good quality, but they are slow on
shipping
> > > > spruce, and they are expensive (so is Wick's).
> > > >
> > > > If you don't have catalogs from each of these companies, get them.
Both
> > > > have websites, and both offer free catalogs that have just about
> > >everything
> > > > you will need to build an airplane. Personally, I like Wicks
better.
> > >AS&S
> > > > is just a little too pricey.
> > > >
> > > > Jack
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> > > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
> > > > Hargrove
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 6:39 PM
> > > > To: Pietenpol-List@matronics.com
> > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce?
> > > >
> > > > * > Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Hargrove
> > ><ronhargrove@gmail.com>
> > > >
> > > > Ok guys, I finally got my plans, and while I am studying them for
> > >awhile,
> > >I
> > > > was wondering if I could get some input on where to get the sitka
> > >spruce,
> > >or
> > > > even better, where NOT to get the wood? Also, does anyone out there
have
> > >a
> > > > slightly used builders manual they would be willing to part with at
a
> > > > reasonable price? Or is it available online somewhere?
> > > > Many thanks,
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > > advertising on the Matronics Forums.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Brodhead 2004 photos and tales |
0.0 LOTS_OF_STUFF BODY: Thousands or millions of pictures, movies,
etc.
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
To Terry and anyone else out there that couldn't make it to Brodhead, I have
just sent a few pictures to the List photoshare, so they should be available
in a few days, or whenever they get posted.
I got in my car Saturday morning at 6:30 am and arrived at Brodhead 12 hours
and 1125 km (700 mi) later to find hundreds of people lined-up for supper. I
skipped eating, and went straight to the planes. Some beautiful work. Lots
of great ideas. So many different ways to build one airplane. A few planes
were in the air as the sun began to set. Fantastic weather. The evening
cooled off, and I found myself sitting by a bonfire listening to stories and
having an enjoyable evening. Eventually we realized that it was actually
Sunday morning and the sun would be rising very soon, so I went off and
caught 4 hours sleep in the back of my van.
Sunday morning the sun was shining. I grabbed a quick bowl of cereal and a
glass of juice and got back to the planes. Everyone I spoke with was very
friendly and willing to explain anything one might have a question about.
Some people were leaving to head home. Some people were leaving to head for
Oshkosh. Tim Mickel was heading there in his shiny red and white Piet,
having given rides for six and a half hours on Saturday. But before he went,
he offered to take me up for a spin. He said he tried to give as many rides
to builders as possible. Yee-Haw! That was fun! Eventually I realized that
most of the planes had left, and I really needed to get on the road. Back in
the car, and 13 hours later I was home, arriving at 3:30 am. I was dead
tired, and really not looking forward to the alarm clock that was going to
be screaming at me in two hours. My wife asked if I had a good time. I said
no, I had a great time! She said she was glad I was happy.
In the words of Walt Evans, "Ain't life grand!"
Bill
(still waiting for my plans to arrive)
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2004 photos and tales |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Bill..
Great, Thanks for posting...and for sharing the story of your trip.
Terry..
Anxiously waiting for the pics.
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Subject: | Re: YEEE HAAAAWWWW !!! >>>>OFF LIST<<<<< |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Chuck,
I have followed all your trip trough Corky' mails, I have one sugest to
do:
Keep as much notes and photos with as much names (people, towns,
airports, FBO attendants, etc.)
Later you can convert them in to a book (any size, this is not
important) with great Piet adventures.
I am reading the book "Canibal Queen" that I borowed from Ted Brousseau
(Naples, FL), is about a pilot visiting all the USA states in a
Stearman... You can write something similar or better with your
personal touch, this will be great, think about it, maybe even can pay
for your flying adventures... Who knows.
Wel, Congratulations for your trip. Fly Safe and enjoy as much as you
can, We all will be following you...
Saludos
Gary Gower
--- Rcaprd@aol.com wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
>
> Hey All !!
> I have so many stories to tell (most of which are true) it will
> take me months to get them all told!! Everything is working out so
> well on this trip.
> I've finally got to a computer where I can sit down and type a few
> words. I'm at my sister's, in Columbus OH right now. Tomorrow
> (probably late morning), she will take me back out to the airport,
> and I think I just about have her convinced to go for a flight !!
> She has a friend from work that is going to meet us out there, who
> has two kids who I'll introduce to the 'Wonderful World of
> Pietenpols'.
> I'll probably depart Union Co. Airport (Marysville) sometime late
> afternoon, and head on east to Marshall Co. Airport, which is just
> south of Wheeling W V. I'll be staying with my boys, and visiting
> home for a week or so, and I'll have access to a computer, so I'll be
> able to let you all know of some of the wonderful experiences I've
> had. I could do that flight in one hop, but as I fly over the
> airports that I use for way-points on the GPS, if I see anyone down
> there, I peel off, and go give them a 'Smoke Run', then circle back
> around and land. A bit of a diversion, but a necessary one.
> It was difficult to admit that Brodhead was over this year, and I
> was the last one to fly away. The others were John in Mountain
> Piet...I think he left at the crack of dawn. Then the two guys in
> the Starduster left some time just before noon. I got very memorable
> ride in that plane !!
> I had a bit of a scare as I approached Portland Indiana last
> evening. Fog was closing in, and visibility was closing in. That
> GPS that I have bad mouthed in the past, helped me find the airport.
> I was at full power, holding the stick forward to maintain view of
> the earth (skud running) when the runway broke into view at 1.8 miles
> out. Let me tell you, that runway was a sight for sore eyes !! I'll
> go into more details about it in the near future.
> I'll still keep in touch with Corky, while en route, to keep
> everyone posted of where the next smoke run, or T.P. drop will occur
> !!
>
> From Trees & Rags,
> to Stick & Rudder,
> Pietenpols are Forever !!
> Chuck Gantzer
> NX770CG
>
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Subject: | LEADING EDGE TAPE (gap seal) |
Hello Gang,
Can someone steer me in the right direction as a source for
leading edge
tape to be used a gap seal on control surfaces?
I saw a Hatz the other day and it had clear leading edge tape
used as a
gap seal for better roll performance. My GN-1 has significant
gaps so a
seal for better roll response would be appreciated. I wonder
because it
does fly a little "nose high" if using leading edge tape between
the horizontal
stabilizer and elevators could help raise the tail a little bit.
As always, thanks.
Mike King
GN-1
77MK
Dallas, Texas
P.S. I saw where Chuck had built gap seals on both the tail and
wings of his
plane and it performed well as evidenced by his smoke runs at
Tick Hill.
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I have no idea why I have this....just ran across it while looking for some
other pics.....
I would not personally use it without a LOT of checking/confirming sizes
before actually ordering anything....
JM
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Subject: | Re: LEADING EDGE TAPE (gap seal) |
Mike, the PGN-2 has weather stripping tapped to the back of the wing slot housing
the aileron. It seems to work rather well.
Doyle
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike King
To: Pietenpol Discussion Group
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 9:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: LEADING EDGE TAPE (gap seal)
Hello Gang,
Can someone steer me in the right direction as a source for leading edge
tape to be used a gap seal on control surfaces?
I saw a Hatz the other day and it had clear leading edge tape used as a
gap seal for better roll performance. My GN-1 has significant gaps so a
seal for better roll response would be appreciated. I wonder because it
does fly a little "nose high" if using leading edge tape between the horizontal
stabilizer and elevators could help raise the tail a little bit.
As always, thanks.
Mike King
GN-1
77MK
Dallas, Texas
P.S. I saw where Chuck had built gap seals on both the tail and wings of his
plane and it performed well as evidenced by his smoke runs at Tick Hill.
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Subject: | Re: Where do I get the spruce? |
Ron,
Try this: (attached).
I think I downloaded this from a Piet board somewhere. Again, be sure to
double check all the sizes and length requirements against the plans.
-Wayne
In a message dated 7/29/2004 9:01:43 AM Central Daylight Time,
ronhargrove@gmail.com writes:
Does
anyone know of a previous post that has a matierials list posted that
I can send them for a quote?
Many thanks for everyones responses!
Ron
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 07/28/04 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Franck <franck@geneseo.net>
> I am submitting proposal #2....
>see link below. Some of the comments were incorporated into the logo...pilot
>and "belle" added...white scarf. Flight attitude in level cruise...not in a
>downward mode.
>http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoDisplay.cfm?PhotoName=TACO%2003.jpg&PhotoID=2517
>Terry B
Just my 2 cents worth.
Two more changes needed...........1. Corvair engine, 2. Red letters for
the T, A, C and O to make them stand out.
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Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:51:20 -0400
Hey........I'm just the messenger! The response to Randy's t-shirts for the 75th
anniversary has been great but it seems like I left one huge piece of info out;
Randy's phone number. I'm sure it would be much more productive if you gave
him a call than have me try to relay who wants what.
Randy Bruce
(407)330-6574
Thanks for the queries.
Sorry, I don't have the capabilities to send pics but perhaps someone who bought
a shirt at Brodhead could give it a try.
Larry
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Subject: | Re: Fitting out your Pietenpol |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
Here's where I have to show my ignorance in order to learn
something....What's a pull starter on a Pietenpol??? Carl
Vought/Huntsville, AL
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:55:19 -0400, "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
wrote :
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau"
<nfn00979@naples.net>
>
> Well I can't hold it in any longer. My twin daughter is in the hospital
> awaiting twins any day now. So, I am grounded to home area. Had to
cancel
> Brodhead and OSH. Moped all weekend thinking about Brodhead. So, went
out
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | TACO update (Don't read if you are a sourpuss) |
0.0 FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS From: contains numbers mixed in with letters
I made it home to the Great Lone Star State without incident... (No tickets,
no mad Yankees chasing me, and muy importante, no broken Coronas or bones.)
I'm dubbing off a special unedited video of my adventure strictly for Chuck's
benefit and I hope he won't show it to anyone else, so I might edit the
project into something that looks good at a future date. I just want Chuck to have
some memorable footage of his adventure and a looksie at his plane as he is
blowing smoke on all us who stood on the ground and gawked at him. Man, what a
crowd pleaser.
In order to elevate our group to a higher plain (plane, pardon the pun) I
have devised a secret TACO handshake. Those guys at the Ivy League schools (Skull
And Crossbones boys, George Bush, John Kerry and other elite folks) have
their own secret handshake, that it is high-time we enact our own. I'll show you
how the secret TACO handshake is done next time we meet. Later, we might even
get around to talking Air Campers.
We need four volunteers for the below vacant positions...
#1, HISTORIAN (so we TACOS can keep track of our accomplishments, lies and
blunders)
#2. COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN FOR THE STUDY OF RUNWAY CENTERLINE DEVELOPMENT and
STRAIGHTNESS (SRCDS)
#3. NEWSLETTER EDITOR AND CHEAP (i mean chief) E-MAIL
CORRESPONDENT/SPOKESPERSON, alias TACO LOCO. I need to sign off for a very, very
long time.
#4. CULINARY ADVISOR (so when we meet next time, an appropriate selection of
The National Food of Texas can be made available (if all members are in
flavor, I mean in FAVOR :) in lieu of hamburgers.)
#5. INJUN JOE (Actually it should be spelled Engine Joe, so we can have an
expert on staff to expand on the virtues of the number of different engines
folks are using in their Air Campers. Please excuse me, if I have offended anyone
having Native American Blood in their genetic makeup. I meant no harm by the
Injun Joe job announcement.
This message was not proofread nor approved by Jim Markle.
Adios,
Taco Loco
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Subject: | Re: TACO update (Don't read if you are a sourpuss) |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Sterling...
Please put me down for a copy of your video. How much $$$?
TLB
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Fitting out your Pietenpol |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
I am guessing he is talking about the pull handle used to actuate the starter contact
on the old delco-type starter used on C-series continental engines.
We have one of those in our 7EC champ w/C90. Its a T-handle on the panel. One
time I gave a woman a ride in that airplane..and I flew from the back seat.
When we got in, I explained that I would need her to pull the T-handle to start
the engine when I give the signal. So after priming and turning the mags on...I
gave her the OK. She grabbed the handle and yanked it as if to pull-start
a lawn mower. She yanked so hard...she sheared the roll pin right off in the
handle.
From then on...I never allowed an uninformed passenger assume the duty of pulling
the starter handle.
--
Terry B
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Subject: | Re: Where do I get the spruce? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Hargrove <ronhargrove@gmail.com>
That is perfect, exactly what I was looking for!
Thanks,
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: n925wb1@aol.com <n925wb1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce?
Ron,
Try this: (attached).
I think I downloaded this from a Piet board somewhere. Again, be sure
to double check all the sizes and length requirements against the
plans.
-Wayne
In a message dated 7/29/2004 9:01:43 AM Central Daylight Time,
ronhargrove@gmail.com writes:
Does
anyone know of a previous post that has a matierials list posted that
I can send them for a quote?
Many thanks for everyones responses!
Ron
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Subject: | Fitting out your Pietenpol |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike King" <mike@mking.us>
I believe someone once said Continental A-Series engines
could also be fitted with some kind of hand pulled starter
however
they were not very dependable or workable.
I am sure knowledgeable builders can remember more on this
subject.
Mike King
HOT TACO
GN-1
77MK
Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BARNSTMR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fitting out your Pietenpol
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
I am guessing he is talking about the pull handle used to actuate
the starter contact on the old delco-type starter used on
C-series continental engines.
We have one of those in our 7EC champ w/C90. Its a T-handle on
the panel. One time I gave a woman a ride in that airplane..and
I flew from the back seat. When we got in, I explained that I
would need her to pull the T-handle to start the engine when I
give the signal. So after priming and turning the mags on...I
gave her the OK. She grabbed the handle and yanked it as if to
pull-start a lawn mower. She yanked so hard...she sheared the
roll pin right off in the handle.
From then on...I never allowed an uninformed passenger assume the
duty of pulling the starter handle.
--
Terry B
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jeff Hill" <jeff2dogs@hotmail.com>
I like the proposal for the TACO logo but I think the wheels should be the
old fashioned spoked wheels and not those thick black tires.
Jeff Hill in rainy Texas, where my buddy Kip Yearwood, after having such a
great time in Brodhead, wants me to make him a Piet.
Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/
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Another nice email from Chuck Gantzer's sister in Ohio
Corky
From: becki guy <spinq2@yahoo.com>
Subject: Chuck
--0-1538734478-1091135420=:25804
Corky,
Chuck ask that I e-mail you. I picked him up @ the airport yesterday....
once I got him out of there. Two bags of popcorn & 1.5 hours later I was still
sitting @ the airport watching TV while he talked to the manager, the mechanic
& then a guy who teachs aerobatics.(guess who wants lessons). I went up with
him today & must admit it was more fun that I expected. I now understand
why your group enjoys the Piet. so much. Chuck also took my friend's 2 kids up.
As you probably know there is no simple explanation with Chuck. I think
he talked for 2 hours before he took us for a ride. He left Marysville about
3:30pm instead of 2pm as planned. Imagine that! He just called me from Knox
Co. a few minutes ago & said his radio quit working. He changed the batteries
but there was still a problem. He said to tell you he is going on to Marshall
Co. WV as scheduled & that the weather is hazy. Hopefully you will hear from
Charles himself in the near future. Becki
---------------------------------
--0-1538734478-1091135420=:25804
Corky,
Chuck ask that I e-mail you. I picked him up @ the airport yesterday.... once
I got him out of there. Two bags of popcorn 1.5 hours later I was still sitting
@ the airport watching TV while he talked to the manager, the mechanic thena
guy who teachs aerobatics.(guess who wants lessons). I went up with him today
must admit it was more fun that I expected. I now understand why your group
enjoys the Piet. so much. Chuck also took my friend's 2 kids up. As you probably
know there is no simple explanation with Chuck. I think he talked for 2 hours
beforehe took us for a ride. He left Marysville about 3:30pm instead of 2pm
as planned. Imagine that! He just called me from Knox Co. a few minutes ago
said his radio quit working. He changed the batteries but there was still a
problem. He said to tell you he is going on to Marshall Co
. WV as
scheduled that the weather is hazy. Hopefully you will hear from Charles himself
in the near future. Becki
--0-1538734478-1091135420=:25804--
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead 2004 photos and tales |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Bill,
Yes,,,Life IS Grand!!!
I envy you getting started on your Piet.
I remember the day I recieved my plans in a tube and looked them over while
waiting for my daughter to get out of nite class at college. (She had foot
surgery and couldn't drive). Just the look of the plans,,Copies of drawings
that were drawn in the 1930's. Like alot of people, I thought,,,"gee,
there's not alot of information here". Don't be fooled, with the exceptions
of a very few mistakes, there's a wealth of information on those plans.
walt evans
NX140DL
PS first thing to remember is to add about 1/4" inch to all tabs on metal
fittings.
nuff said
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2004 photos and tales
> In the words of Walt Evans, "Ain't life grand!"
>
> Bill
> (still waiting for my plans to arrive)
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Lists: Pietenpol-List
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o Main Photo Share Index
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Subject: | Pictures tell SO much!!! |
0.0 LOTS_OF_STUFF BODY: Thousands or millions of pictures, movies,
etc.
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Subject: | Re: LEADING EDGE TAPE (gap seal) |
The people at Aircraft Sales and parts (ASAP) in Vernon, BC sell a nylon type tape
similar to a bookbinding tape that works great for a gap seal. It is available
in 2" or 3" wide. What I did was get the 3" tape and then taped a 2" piece
onto the sticky side so that the 3" tape has two 1/2" wide sticky strips. I
then folded the tape in the middle and with the closed end up to the top of the
wing surface stuck the sticky parts to the wing and the airleron.
I have seen this same idea used on a J3 Cub, and it works. This is the contact
info for where I purchased the tape.(ASAP) But you can probably find this locally
as well.
Mailing Address:
Box 995,
Vernon, B.C. Canada V1T 6N2
Tel: (250) 549-1102
Fax: (250) 549-3769
email: parts@ultralight.ca
Shawn Wolk
Aircraft Fanatic
C-FRAZ Pietenpol on Wheels, Skis, and Floats!!!
C-GZOT Skyhopper
Winnipeg, MB
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