---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/29/04: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:51 AM - Re: Where do I get the spruce? (Jack Phillips) 2. 05:21 AM - Re: Where do I get the spruce? (tmbrant1@netzero.net) 3. 06:08 AM - Re: Where do I get the spruce? (Eric Williams) 4. 07:01 AM - Re: YEEE HAAAAWWWW !!! (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 5. 07:01 AM - Re: Where do I get the spruce? (Ron Hargrove) 6. 07:36 AM - Re: Where do I get the spruce? (Jim Markle) 7. 08:32 AM - Brodhead 2004 photos and tales (Bill Church) 8. 08:59 AM - Re: Brodhead 2004 photos and tales (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 9. 09:46 AM - Re: YEEE HAAAAWWWW !!! >>>>OFF LIST<<<<< (Gary Gower) 10. 10:07 AM - LEADING EDGE TAPE (gap seal) (Mike King) 11. 10:32 AM - Woodkit List (Jim Markle) 12. 10:33 AM - Re: LEADING EDGE TAPE (gap seal) (Doyle Combs) 13. 10:47 AM - Re: Where do I get the spruce? (N925WB1@aol.com) 14. 11:17 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 07/28/04 (Franck) 15. 11:51 AM - tee- shirts (LAWRENCE WILLIAMS) 16. 12:10 PM - Re: Fitting out your Pietenpol (Carl D. Vought) 17. 12:20 PM - TACO update (Don't read if you are a sourpuss) (KTS5TA6@wmconnect.com) 18. 12:27 PM - Re: TACO update (Don't read if you are a sourpuss) (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 19. 12:37 PM - Re: Fitting out your Pietenpol (BARNSTMR@aol.com) 20. 12:39 PM - Re: Where do I get the spruce? (Ron Hargrove) 21. 02:17 PM - Re: Fitting out your Pietenpol (Mike King) 22. 02:22 PM - TACO design (Jeff Hill) 23. 02:35 PM - Fw: Chuck (Isablcorky@aol.com) 24. 02:45 PM - Re: Brodhead 2004 photos and tales (walt evans) 25. 07:41 PM - [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 26. 09:43 PM - Pictures tell SO much!!! (Jim Markle) 27. 11:00 PM - Re: LEADING EDGE TAPE (gap seal) (Shawn Wolk) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:40 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" Depending on where in Kentucky you are, you might want to drive to Iliinois to Wicks and bring your wood back home yourself, rather than have them ship it. Shipping the spars and the longerons and a couple of full size sheets of plywood cost me nearly $200. Good luck! Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Hargrove Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:05 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Hargrove Thanks for the responses! I live in Kentucky, so that may be a factor with the shipping. I will definately order both the catalogs to check out the prices. I have been poring over the plans, and my heart is still beating fast just thinking about realizing this dream! Ron On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:14:38 -0400, Jack Phillips wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" > > Hi Ron, > > I got most of mine from Wicks Aircraft Supply. Good wood, and fast > shipping, but the shipping can cost nearly as much as the wood. Aircraft > Spruce and Specialty is also good quality, but they are slow on shipping > spruce, and they are expensive (so is Wick's). > > If you don't have catalogs from each of these companies, get them. Both > have websites, and both offer free catalogs that have just about everything > you will need to build an airplane. Personally, I like Wicks better. AS&S > is just a little too pricey. > > Jack > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Hargrove > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 6:39 PM > To: Pietenpol-List@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce? > > * > Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Hargrove > > Ok guys, I finally got my plans, and while I am studying them for awhile, I > was wondering if I could get some input on where to get the sitka spruce, or > even better, where NOT to get the wood? Also, does anyone out there have a > slightly used builders manual they would be willing to part with at a > reasonable price? Or is it available online somewhere? > Many thanks, > Ron > > advertising on the Matronics Forums. > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:04 AM PST US From: "tmbrant1@netzero.net" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.net" Another option for you could be Mckormicks Lumber in Madison Wisconsin. Prices are very good for rough sawn spruce. They don't stamp it "aircraft grade" but 95% meets the criteria for aircraft spars. The down side of their lumber - if you don't have a planer, jointer you'll need them. The up side - I got all the spruce for my fuselage and tail section for @ $300. For plywood, you could check into marine grade stuff in your area. there might be some boat builders around that sell it. There happens to be a source here in minnesota which I got mine from. It's british marine grade okoume. I got a 4 x 8 sheet of 1/8" (metric equivelent) for about $40. Compare that to a 4 x 8 sheet of aircraft grade okoume from Aircraft Spruce or Wicks - about $100. Just my 2 cents. Tom Brant ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:59 AM PST US From: "Eric Williams" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams" I agree with Jack here. Wick's is in Highland Illinois, 30 miles East of St. Louis and about 2 1/2 hours from Paducah Kentucky. I lived 15 miles from Highland until 3 weeks ago - now I'm 900 miles away so my easy Saturday afternoon pick-up plan is out the window. Eric >From: "Jack Phillips" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce? >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 05:50:43 -0400 > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" > > >Depending on where in Kentucky you are, you might want to drive to Iliinois >to Wicks and bring your wood back home yourself, rather than have them ship >it. Shipping the spars and the longerons and a couple of full size sheets >of plywood cost me nearly $200. > >Good luck! > >Jack > > -----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron >Hargrove >Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:05 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce? > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Hargrove > >Thanks for the responses! I live in Kentucky, so that may be a factor >with the shipping. I will definately order both the catalogs to check >out the prices. I have been poring over the plans, and my heart is >still beating fast just thinking about realizing this dream! > >Ron > >On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:14:38 -0400, Jack Phillips > wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" > > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > I got most of mine from Wicks Aircraft Supply. Good wood, and fast > > shipping, but the shipping can cost nearly as much as the wood. >Aircraft > > Spruce and Specialty is also good quality, but they are slow on shipping > > spruce, and they are expensive (so is Wick's). > > > > If you don't have catalogs from each of these companies, get them. Both > > have websites, and both offer free catalogs that have just about >everything > > you will need to build an airplane. Personally, I like Wicks better. >AS&S > > is just a little too pricey. > > > > Jack > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron > > Hargrove > > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 6:39 PM > > To: Pietenpol-List@matronics.com > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce? > > > > * > Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Hargrove > > > > > Ok guys, I finally got my plans, and while I am studying them for >awhile, >I > > was wondering if I could get some input on where to get the sitka >spruce, >or > > even better, where NOT to get the wood? Also, does anyone out there have >a > > slightly used builders manual they would be willing to part with at a > > reasonable price? Or is it available online somewhere? > > Many thanks, > > Ron > > > > advertising on the Matronics Forums. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:09 AM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: YEEE HAAAAWWWW !!! --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com Chuck, We're glad to hear from you and know that everythings going well for you. Hopefully next year we can join you for more of the trip. Have fun and BE SAFE. -- Terry L. Bowden ph 254-715-4773 fax 254-853-3805 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:09 AM PST US From: Ron Hargrove Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Hargrove I did a mapquest search, and it is 320 miles to Highland from here, which would probably eliminate a drive. Wicks contacted me, but they don't have a standard matierials list for a Pietenpol on file. Does anyone know of a previous post that has a matierials list posted that I can send them for a quote? Many thanks for everyones responses! Ron On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:08:45 -0500, Eric Williams wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams" > > I agree with Jack here. Wick's is in Highland Illinois, 30 miles East of > St. Louis and about 2 1/2 hours from Paducah Kentucky. I lived 15 miles > from Highland until 3 weeks ago - now I'm 900 miles away so my easy Saturday > afternoon pick-up plan is out the window. > > Eric > > >From: "Jack Phillips" > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >To: > >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce? > >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 05:50:43 -0400 > > > > > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" > > > > > >Depending on where in Kentucky you are, you might want to drive to Iliinois > >to Wicks and bring your wood back home yourself, rather than have them ship > >it. Shipping the spars and the longerons and a couple of full size sheets > >of plywood cost me nearly $200. > > > >Good luck! > > > >Jack > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron > >Hargrove > >Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:05 PM > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce? > > > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Hargrove > > > >Thanks for the responses! I live in Kentucky, so that may be a factor > >with the shipping. I will definately order both the catalogs to check > >out the prices. I have been poring over the plans, and my heart is > >still beating fast just thinking about realizing this dream! > > > >Ron > > > >On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:14:38 -0400, Jack Phillips > > wrote: > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" > > > > > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > > > I got most of mine from Wicks Aircraft Supply. Good wood, and fast > > > shipping, but the shipping can cost nearly as much as the wood. > >Aircraft > > > Spruce and Specialty is also good quality, but they are slow on shipping > > > spruce, and they are expensive (so is Wick's). > > > > > > If you don't have catalogs from each of these companies, get them. Both > > > have websites, and both offer free catalogs that have just about > >everything > > > you will need to build an airplane. Personally, I like Wicks better. > >AS&S > > > is just a little too pricey. > > > > > > Jack > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron > > > Hargrove > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 6:39 PM > > > To: Pietenpol-List@matronics.com > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce? > > > > > > * > Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Hargrove > > > > > > > > Ok guys, I finally got my plans, and while I am studying them for > >awhile, > >I > > > was wondering if I could get some input on where to get the sitka > >spruce, > >or > > > even better, where NOT to get the wood? Also, does anyone out there have > >a > > > slightly used builders manual they would be willing to part with at a > > > reasonable price? Or is it available online somewhere? > > > Many thanks, > > > Ron > > > > > > advertising on the Matronics Forums. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:16 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" Well, a list wouldn't have done me much good...seems like I built 2 or 3 of everything.....especially the metal fittings.... I've found some real bargains on eBay and Barnstormers.com. Keep an eye on those sources. Also your local EAA chapter (no one should even consider building a Piet without EAA chapter involvement....). I'll bet there's someone in a nearby chapter that knows of "a stack of spruce" from some failed past project. After my local chapter found out what I was building, one fellow told me he had "some spruce laying around" that he had started using as a source of trim lumber for a room he was building in his hanger....it was nice of him NOT to laugh at those big tears running down my cheek as he spoke those words....(just kidding). Thank goodness he had only used one piece for trim so far and I bought the rest (for about $.10 on the dollar). Not one piece fit the Piet "materials list" but with a bit of planing/laminating/scarfing I ended up with a LOT of what I needed. One thing for sure.....as soon as you find what you're looking for, MANY more sources will just "pop up" out of nowhere!!! I also did a mapquest search......and Plano TX is NOT on your way home...otherwise I would tell you to pick up the rough sawn stuff and "stop by".....I just got my planer blades sharpened and they could use some exercise! There's likely someone in your area that has a planer so I would keep that in mind......I've heard that many of the Pietenpol "materials lists" you get from commercial suppliers aren't "dead on" the correct thickness.... Jim in Plano, sitting here looking at a completed (well, not sandblasted/powder coated yet) rudder bar assembly. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Hargrove" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce? > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Hargrove > > I did a mapquest search, and it is 320 miles to Highland from here, > which would probably eliminate a drive. Wicks contacted me, but they > don't have a standard matierials list for a Pietenpol on file. Does > anyone know of a previous post that has a matierials list posted that > I can send them for a quote? > > Many thanks for everyones responses! > Ron > > On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:08:45 -0500, Eric Williams wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Eric Williams" > > > > I agree with Jack here. Wick's is in Highland Illinois, 30 miles East of > > St. Louis and about 2 1/2 hours from Paducah Kentucky. I lived 15 miles > > from Highland until 3 weeks ago - now I'm 900 miles away so my easy Saturday > > afternoon pick-up plan is out the window. > > > > Eric > > > > >From: "Jack Phillips" > > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > >To: > > >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce? > > >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 05:50:43 -0400 > > > > > > > > > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" > > > > > > > > >Depending on where in Kentucky you are, you might want to drive to Iliinois > > >to Wicks and bring your wood back home yourself, rather than have them ship > > >it. Shipping the spars and the longerons and a couple of full size sheets > > >of plywood cost me nearly $200. > > > > > >Good luck! > > > > > >Jack > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > > >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron > > >Hargrove > > >Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 11:05 PM > > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce? > > > > > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Hargrove > > > > > >Thanks for the responses! I live in Kentucky, so that may be a factor > > >with the shipping. I will definately order both the catalogs to check > > >out the prices. I have been poring over the plans, and my heart is > > >still beating fast just thinking about realizing this dream! > > > > > >Ron > > > > > >On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:14:38 -0400, Jack Phillips > > > wrote: > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > > > > > I got most of mine from Wicks Aircraft Supply. Good wood, and fast > > > > shipping, but the shipping can cost nearly as much as the wood. > > >Aircraft > > > > Spruce and Specialty is also good quality, but they are slow on shipping > > > > spruce, and they are expensive (so is Wick's). > > > > > > > > If you don't have catalogs from each of these companies, get them. Both > > > > have websites, and both offer free catalogs that have just about > > >everything > > > > you will need to build an airplane. Personally, I like Wicks better. > > >AS&S > > > > is just a little too pricey. > > > > > > > > Jack > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > > > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron > > > > Hargrove > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 6:39 PM > > > > To: Pietenpol-List@matronics.com > > > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce? > > > > > > > > * > Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Hargrove > > > > > > > > > > > Ok guys, I finally got my plans, and while I am studying them for > > >awhile, > > >I > > > > was wondering if I could get some input on where to get the sitka > > >spruce, > > >or > > > > even better, where NOT to get the wood? Also, does anyone out there have > > >a > > > > slightly used builders manual they would be willing to part with at a > > > > reasonable price? Or is it available online somewhere? > > > > Many thanks, > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > advertising on the Matronics Forums. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:00 AM PST US From: Bill Church Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2004 photos and tales 0.0 LOTS_OF_STUFF BODY: Thousands or millions of pictures, movies, etc. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Bill Church To Terry and anyone else out there that couldn't make it to Brodhead, I have just sent a few pictures to the List photoshare, so they should be available in a few days, or whenever they get posted. I got in my car Saturday morning at 6:30 am and arrived at Brodhead 12 hours and 1125 km (700 mi) later to find hundreds of people lined-up for supper. I skipped eating, and went straight to the planes. Some beautiful work. Lots of great ideas. So many different ways to build one airplane. A few planes were in the air as the sun began to set. Fantastic weather. The evening cooled off, and I found myself sitting by a bonfire listening to stories and having an enjoyable evening. Eventually we realized that it was actually Sunday morning and the sun would be rising very soon, so I went off and caught 4 hours sleep in the back of my van. Sunday morning the sun was shining. I grabbed a quick bowl of cereal and a glass of juice and got back to the planes. Everyone I spoke with was very friendly and willing to explain anything one might have a question about. Some people were leaving to head home. Some people were leaving to head for Oshkosh. Tim Mickel was heading there in his shiny red and white Piet, having given rides for six and a half hours on Saturday. But before he went, he offered to take me up for a spin. He said he tried to give as many rides to builders as possible. Yee-Haw! That was fun! Eventually I realized that most of the planes had left, and I really needed to get on the road. Back in the car, and 13 hours later I was home, arriving at 3:30 am. I was dead tired, and really not looking forward to the alarm clock that was going to be screaming at me in two hours. My wife asked if I had a good time. I said no, I had a great time! She said she was glad I was happy. In the words of Walt Evans, "Ain't life grand!" Bill (still waiting for my plans to arrive) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:12 AM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2004 photos and tales --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com Bill.. Great, Thanks for posting...and for sharing the story of your trip. Terry.. Anxiously waiting for the pics. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:46:22 AM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: YEEE HAAAAWWWW !!! >>>>OFF LIST<<<<< --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower Hello Chuck, I have followed all your trip trough Corky' mails, I have one sugest to do: Keep as much notes and photos with as much names (people, towns, airports, FBO attendants, etc.) Later you can convert them in to a book (any size, this is not important) with great Piet adventures. I am reading the book "Canibal Queen" that I borowed from Ted Brousseau (Naples, FL), is about a pilot visiting all the USA states in a Stearman... You can write something similar or better with your personal touch, this will be great, think about it, maybe even can pay for your flying adventures... Who knows. Wel, Congratulations for your trip. Fly Safe and enjoy as much as you can, We all will be following you... Saludos Gary Gower --- Rcaprd@aol.com wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > Hey All !! > I have so many stories to tell (most of which are true) it will > take me months to get them all told!! Everything is working out so > well on this trip. > I've finally got to a computer where I can sit down and type a few > words. I'm at my sister's, in Columbus OH right now. Tomorrow > (probably late morning), she will take me back out to the airport, > and I think I just about have her convinced to go for a flight !! > She has a friend from work that is going to meet us out there, who > has two kids who I'll introduce to the 'Wonderful World of > Pietenpols'. > I'll probably depart Union Co. Airport (Marysville) sometime late > afternoon, and head on east to Marshall Co. Airport, which is just > south of Wheeling W V. I'll be staying with my boys, and visiting > home for a week or so, and I'll have access to a computer, so I'll be > able to let you all know of some of the wonderful experiences I've > had. I could do that flight in one hop, but as I fly over the > airports that I use for way-points on the GPS, if I see anyone down > there, I peel off, and go give them a 'Smoke Run', then circle back > around and land. A bit of a diversion, but a necessary one. > It was difficult to admit that Brodhead was over this year, and I > was the last one to fly away. The others were John in Mountain > Piet...I think he left at the crack of dawn. Then the two guys in > the Starduster left some time just before noon. I got very memorable > ride in that plane !! > I had a bit of a scare as I approached Portland Indiana last > evening. Fog was closing in, and visibility was closing in. That > GPS that I have bad mouthed in the past, helped me find the airport. > I was at full power, holding the stick forward to maintain view of > the earth (skud running) when the runway broke into view at 1.8 miles > out. Let me tell you, that runway was a sight for sore eyes !! I'll > go into more details about it in the near future. > I'll still keep in touch with Corky, while en route, to keep > everyone posted of where the next smoke run, or T.P. drop will occur > !! > > From Trees & Rags, > to Stick & Rudder, > Pietenpols are Forever !! > Chuck Gantzer > NX770CG > __________________________________ http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:10 AM PST US From: "Mike King" Subject: Pietenpol-List: LEADING EDGE TAPE (gap seal) Hello Gang, Can someone steer me in the right direction as a source for leading edge tape to be used a gap seal on control surfaces? I saw a Hatz the other day and it had clear leading edge tape used as a gap seal for better roll performance. My GN-1 has significant gaps so a seal for better roll response would be appreciated. I wonder because it does fly a little "nose high" if using leading edge tape between the horizontal stabilizer and elevators could help raise the tail a little bit. As always, thanks. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas P.S. I saw where Chuck had built gap seals on both the tail and wings of his plane and it performed well as evidenced by his smoke runs at Tick Hill. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:32 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Woodkit List I have no idea why I have this....just ran across it while looking for some other pics..... I would not personally use it without a LOT of checking/confirming sizes before actually ordering anything.... JM ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:56 AM PST US From: "Doyle Combs" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: LEADING EDGE TAPE (gap seal) Mike, the PGN-2 has weather stripping tapped to the back of the wing slot housing the aileron. It seems to work rather well. Doyle ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike King To: Pietenpol Discussion Group Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 9:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: LEADING EDGE TAPE (gap seal) Hello Gang, Can someone steer me in the right direction as a source for leading edge tape to be used a gap seal on control surfaces? I saw a Hatz the other day and it had clear leading edge tape used as a gap seal for better roll performance. My GN-1 has significant gaps so a seal for better roll response would be appreciated. I wonder because it does fly a little "nose high" if using leading edge tape between the horizontal stabilizer and elevators could help raise the tail a little bit. As always, thanks. Mike King GN-1 77MK Dallas, Texas P.S. I saw where Chuck had built gap seals on both the tail and wings of his plane and it performed well as evidenced by his smoke runs at Tick Hill. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:02 AM PST US From: N925WB1@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce? Ron, Try this: (attached). I think I downloaded this from a Piet board somewhere. Again, be sure to double check all the sizes and length requirements against the plans. -Wayne In a message dated 7/29/2004 9:01:43 AM Central Daylight Time, ronhargrove@gmail.com writes: Does anyone know of a previous post that has a matierials list posted that I can send them for a quote? Many thanks for everyones responses! Ron ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:18 AM PST US From: Franck Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 07/28/04 --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Franck > I am submitting proposal #2.... >see link below. Some of the comments were incorporated into the logo...pilot >and "belle" added...white scarf. Flight attitude in level cruise...not in a >downward mode. >http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoDisplay.cfm?PhotoName=TACO%2003.jpg&PhotoID=2517 >Terry B Just my 2 cents worth. Two more changes needed...........1. Corvair engine, 2. Red letters for the T, A, C and O to make them stand out. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:10 AM PST US From: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS" Subject: Pietenpol-List: tee- shirts Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:51:20 -0400 Hey........I'm just the messenger! The response to Randy's t-shirts for the 75th anniversary has been great but it seems like I left one huge piece of info out; Randy's phone number. I'm sure it would be much more productive if you gave him a call than have me try to relay who wants what. Randy Bruce (407)330-6574 Thanks for the queries. Sorry, I don't have the capabilities to send pics but perhaps someone who bought a shirt at Brodhead could give it a try. Larry ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:32 PM PST US From: "Carl D. Vought" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fitting out your Pietenpol --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" Here's where I have to show my ignorance in order to learn something....What's a pull starter on a Pietenpol??? Carl Vought/Huntsville, AL On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:55:19 -0400, "Ted Brousseau" wrote : > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" > > Well I can't hold it in any longer. My twin daughter is in the hospital > awaiting twins any day now. So, I am grounded to home area. Had to cancel > Brodhead and OSH. Moped all weekend thinking about Brodhead. So, went out > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:20:37 PM PST US From: KTS5TA6@wmconnect.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: TACO update (Don't read if you are a sourpuss) 0.0 FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS From: contains numbers mixed in with letters I made it home to the Great Lone Star State without incident... (No tickets, no mad Yankees chasing me, and muy importante, no broken Coronas or bones.) I'm dubbing off a special unedited video of my adventure strictly for Chuck's benefit and I hope he won't show it to anyone else, so I might edit the project into something that looks good at a future date. I just want Chuck to have some memorable footage of his adventure and a looksie at his plane as he is blowing smoke on all us who stood on the ground and gawked at him. Man, what a crowd pleaser. In order to elevate our group to a higher plain (plane, pardon the pun) I have devised a secret TACO handshake. Those guys at the Ivy League schools (Skull And Crossbones boys, George Bush, John Kerry and other elite folks) have their own secret handshake, that it is high-time we enact our own. I'll show you how the secret TACO handshake is done next time we meet. Later, we might even get around to talking Air Campers. We need four volunteers for the below vacant positions... #1, HISTORIAN (so we TACOS can keep track of our accomplishments, lies and blunders) #2. COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN FOR THE STUDY OF RUNWAY CENTERLINE DEVELOPMENT and STRAIGHTNESS (SRCDS) #3. NEWSLETTER EDITOR AND CHEAP (i mean chief) E-MAIL CORRESPONDENT/SPOKESPERSON, alias TACO LOCO. I need to sign off for a very, very long time. #4. CULINARY ADVISOR (so when we meet next time, an appropriate selection of The National Food of Texas can be made available (if all members are in flavor, I mean in FAVOR :) in lieu of hamburgers.) #5. INJUN JOE (Actually it should be spelled Engine Joe, so we can have an expert on staff to expand on the virtues of the number of different engines folks are using in their Air Campers. Please excuse me, if I have offended anyone having Native American Blood in their genetic makeup. I meant no harm by the Injun Joe job announcement. This message was not proofread nor approved by Jim Markle. Adios, Taco Loco ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:25 PM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TACO update (Don't read if you are a sourpuss) --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com Sterling... Please put me down for a copy of your video. How much $$$? TLB do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:37:22 PM PST US From: BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fitting out your Pietenpol --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com I am guessing he is talking about the pull handle used to actuate the starter contact on the old delco-type starter used on C-series continental engines. We have one of those in our 7EC champ w/C90. Its a T-handle on the panel. One time I gave a woman a ride in that airplane..and I flew from the back seat. When we got in, I explained that I would need her to pull the T-handle to start the engine when I give the signal. So after priming and turning the mags on...I gave her the OK. She grabbed the handle and yanked it as if to pull-start a lawn mower. She yanked so hard...she sheared the roll pin right off in the handle. From then on...I never allowed an uninformed passenger assume the duty of pulling the starter handle. -- Terry B DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:37 PM PST US From: Ron Hargrove Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce? --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Hargrove That is perfect, exactly what I was looking for! Thanks, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: n925wb1@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Where do I get the spruce? Ron, Try this: (attached). I think I downloaded this from a Piet board somewhere. Again, be sure to double check all the sizes and length requirements against the plans. -Wayne In a message dated 7/29/2004 9:01:43 AM Central Daylight Time, ronhargrove@gmail.com writes: Does anyone know of a previous post that has a matierials list posted that I can send them for a quote? Many thanks for everyones responses! Ron ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:31 PM PST US From: "Mike King" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fitting out your Pietenpol --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike King" I believe someone once said Continental A-Series engines could also be fitted with some kind of hand pulled starter however they were not very dependable or workable. I am sure knowledgeable builders can remember more on this subject. Mike King HOT TACO GN-1 77MK Dallas -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BARNSTMR@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fitting out your Pietenpol --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com I am guessing he is talking about the pull handle used to actuate the starter contact on the old delco-type starter used on C-series continental engines. We have one of those in our 7EC champ w/C90. Its a T-handle on the panel. One time I gave a woman a ride in that airplane..and I flew from the back seat. When we got in, I explained that I would need her to pull the T-handle to start the engine when I give the signal. So after priming and turning the mags on...I gave her the OK. She grabbed the handle and yanked it as if to pull-start a lawn mower. She yanked so hard...she sheared the roll pin right off in the handle. From then on...I never allowed an uninformed passenger assume the duty of pulling the starter handle. -- Terry B DO NOT ARCHIVE ========= ========= ========= http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list ========= ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:50 PM PST US From: "Jeff Hill" Subject: Pietenpol-List: TACO design --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jeff Hill" I like the proposal for the TACO logo but I think the wheels should be the old fashioned spoked wheels and not those thick black tires. Jeff Hill in rainy Texas, where my buddy Kip Yearwood, after having such a great time in Brodhead, wants me to make him a Piet. Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:32 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: Chuck Another nice email from Chuck Gantzer's sister in Ohio Corky From: becki guy Subject: Chuck --0-1538734478-1091135420=:25804 Corky, Chuck ask that I e-mail you. I picked him up @ the airport yesterday.... once I got him out of there. Two bags of popcorn & 1.5 hours later I was still sitting @ the airport watching TV while he talked to the manager, the mechanic & then a guy who teachs aerobatics.(guess who wants lessons). I went up with him today & must admit it was more fun that I expected. I now understand why your group enjoys the Piet. so much. Chuck also took my friend's 2 kids up. As you probably know there is no simple explanation with Chuck. I think he talked for 2 hours before he took us for a ride. He left Marysville about 3:30pm instead of 2pm as planned. Imagine that! He just called me from Knox Co. a few minutes ago & said his radio quit working. He changed the batteries but there was still a problem. He said to tell you he is going on to Marshall Co. WV as scheduled & that the weather is hazy. Hopefully you will hear from Charles himself in the near future. Becki --------------------------------- --0-1538734478-1091135420=:25804 Corky, Chuck ask that I e-mail you. I picked him up @ the airport yesterday.... once I got him out of there. Two bags of popcorn 1.5 hours later I was still sitting @ the airport watching TV while he talked to the manager, the mechanic thena guy who teachs aerobatics.(guess who wants lessons). I went up with him today must admit it was more fun that I expected. I now understand why your group enjoys the Piet. so much. Chuck also took my friend's 2 kids up. As you probably know there is no simple explanation with Chuck. I think he talked for 2 hours beforehe took us for a ride. He left Marysville about 3:30pm instead of 2pm as planned. Imagine that! He just called me from Knox Co. a few minutes ago said his radio quit working. He changed the batteries but there was still a problem. He said to tell you he is going on to Marshall Co . WV as scheduled that the weather is hazy. Hopefully you will hear from Charles himself in the near future. Becki --0-1538734478-1091135420=:25804-- ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:45:48 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2004 photos and tales --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" Bill, Yes,,,Life IS Grand!!! I envy you getting started on your Piet. I remember the day I recieved my plans in a tube and looked them over while waiting for my daughter to get out of nite class at college. (She had foot surgery and couldn't drive). Just the look of the plans,,Copies of drawings that were drawn in the 1930's. Like alot of people, I thought,,,"gee, there's not alot of information here". Don't be fooled, with the exceptions of a very few mistakes, there's a wealth of information on those plans. walt evans NX140DL PS first thing to remember is to add about 1/4" inch to all tabs on metal fittings. nuff said ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Church" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2004 photos and tales > In the words of Walt Evans, "Ain't life grand!" > > Bill > (still waiting for my plans to arrive) > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: [ Bill Church ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Bill Church Lists: Pietenpol-List Subject: Brodhead 2004 http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/eng@canadianrogers.com.07.29.2004/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:47 PM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pictures tell SO much!!! 0.0 LOTS_OF_STUFF BODY: Thousands or millions of pictures, movies, etc. http://www.airventure.org/2004/gallery/images/fabric_workshop.jpg ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:31 PM PST US From: "Shawn Wolk" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: LEADING EDGE TAPE (gap seal) The people at Aircraft Sales and parts (ASAP) in Vernon, BC sell a nylon type tape similar to a bookbinding tape that works great for a gap seal. It is available in 2" or 3" wide. What I did was get the 3" tape and then taped a 2" piece onto the sticky side so that the 3" tape has two 1/2" wide sticky strips. I then folded the tape in the middle and with the closed end up to the top of the wing surface stuck the sticky parts to the wing and the airleron. I have seen this same idea used on a J3 Cub, and it works. This is the contact info for where I purchased the tape.(ASAP) But you can probably find this locally as well. Mailing Address: Box 995, Vernon, B.C. Canada V1T 6N2 Tel: (250) 549-1102 Fax: (250) 549-3769 email: parts@ultralight.ca Shawn Wolk Aircraft Fanatic C-FRAZ Pietenpol on Wheels, Skis, and Floats!!! C-GZOT Skyhopper Winnipeg, MB