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1. 05:32 AM - Re: question about heritage (Larry Nelson)
2. 05:37 AM - Re: question about heritage (del magsam)
3. 07:12 AM - Tee shirts (BYOP) being mailed today. (KTS5TA6@wmconnect.com)
4. 07:12 AM - Mountain Piet (Subaru power) (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 07:50 AM - wing questions (Jeff Hill)
6. 08:10 AM - Randy Bruce---75th anniversary t-shirts (Michael D Cuy)
7. 08:14 AM - go here for more pics of Brodhead (Michael D Cuy)
8. 08:20 AM - Re: Wing ribs - 2 questions (Hodgson, Mark O)
9. 08:25 AM - Bill Rewey, Brooks, Ganzter, Dilatush, Sloan, and more ! (Michael D Cuy)
10. 09:54 AM - Re: question about heritage (Richard Navratil)
11. 12:30 PM - Re: Mountain Piet (Subaru power) (walt evans)
12. 12:50 PM - adjustable fork ends for lift struts (Michael D Cuy)
13. 02:22 PM - Wing Rigging ()
14. 03:18 PM - Re: Trig help... (Laurits Larsen)
15. 04:42 PM - Re: Trig help... (Don Morris)
16. 06:53 PM - Re: Wing ribs - 2 questions (Jake Crause)
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| Subject: | Re: question about heritage |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
I go to OSH for the renewal of personal "spirit" and
rarely even watch the airshow anymore. (when everyone
is at the airshow, there is more room to go through
the exhibits and look that the various airplanes.)
It is an old complaint that the homebuilts are getting
a smaller piece of the pie (unless they are RV's).
So...what started it all is now located in the
boonies.
This is why I had so much fun at Brodhead. I will be
there next year early next year.
--- Richard Navratil <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote:
> I just got back from OSH tonight. In the wood tent
> at the show there is a Piet under construction by
> the crew for Paul Poberezney (sp?). He came up with
> lots of modifications on his including 1/4 x 1/4
> ribs. Maybe Doc Mosher would like to comment
> further on that project. The Piet was a work in
> progress over the life of BHP. I think it is in the
> spirit of the creator to continue his thinking.
>
> Another subject. I was set to leave for Broadhead
> last week when some problems came up and I couldn't
> go. So I went to OSH hoping to fill that void. Is
> it just me or is that whole show not what it used to
> be. The afternoon airshow featured three Bi planes
> in the air, one with the jet engine and at the same
> time there were 2 Semi trucks on the runway with jet
> engines shooting flame from every orfice. They had
> a drag race with monster explosions.
> In the ultralight area there was a powered parachute
> with a jet engine.
>
> Please dont try a jet engine on a Piet.
> Dick N.
=====
Larry Nelson
Springfield, MO
Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
1963 GMC 4106-1618
SV/ Spirit of America
ARS WB0JOT
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| Subject: | Re: question about heritage |
Sorry you couldn't make Brodhead Dick....It was the best year yet, and it was the
first cross country flight with my vair powered sonex. I forgot to bring my
camera, so thanks for everyone that posted pics. Also....did someone happen
to get any pics of the row of planes where my plane was parked in line with Williams
Zenvair? I would like some if you anyone has any. I recieved my first ride
in a piet from Mankato Mn, thanks much.....gotta get mine done....
Del
James Dallas <BEC176@msn.com> wrote:
Dick, I agree!! Went to Brodhead this year for the first time....and was the
best time I've had in years at flyin's. OSH has grown into something I'm not,
somewhere they forgot their roots. Planning on Brodhead again next year and
the SAA flyin. I've heard its what EAA was like in its younger years.
Jim Dallas
Let the Flames Begin
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Navratil
Subject: Pietenpol-List: question about heritage
I just got back from OSH tonight. In the wood tent at the show there is a Piet
under construction by the crew for Paul Poberezney (sp?). He came up with lots
of modifications on his including 1/4 x 1/4 ribs. Maybe Doc Mosher would like
to comment further on that project. The Piet was a work in progress over
the life of BHP. I think it is in the spirit of the creator to continue his thinking.
Another subject. I was set to leave for Broadhead last week when some problems
came up and I couldn't go. So I went to OSH hoping to fill that void. Is it
just me or is that whole show not what it used to be. The afternoon airshow
featured three Bi planes in the air, one with the jet engine and at the same time
there were 2 Semi trucks on the runway with jet engines shooting flame from
every orfice. They had a drag race with monster explosions.
In the ultralight area there was a powered parachute with a jet engine.
Please dont try a jet engine on a Piet.
Dick N.
Del-New Richmond, Wi
"farmerdel@rocketmail.com"
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| Subject: | Tee shirts (BYOP) being mailed today. |
BYOP (Build Your Own Pietenpol) tee shirts are being mailed today, for those
on the list to receive them. I suspect the shirts will reach their final
destinations by Friday.
I still have some left in Medium, Large and Extra Large. They are $12.75
mailed to you anywhere in the USA. This is my cost, I make not a dime in profit,
just spreading the word about this nifty little bird and the guy who designed
it (the airplane, not the shirt...)
Either one of the below links should take you to a picture where you can gawk
at the design which is on 100% cotton.
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=210
or
http://www.byop.us ... a cheesy, cheap website from the shamless commerce
division of TACO guys.
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| Subject: | Mountain Piet (Subaru power) |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Note to those who didn't get to Brodhead and are curious about the "Subaru
powered Piet" mentioned in several posts here. That Piet is the beautiful
creation of John Dilatush, who I had the pleasure and privilege of meeting
in person last summer. I got to photograph his airplane and I put the
photos up on a webpage, at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/John_piet.html
"Mountain Piet" is a beauty.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jeff Hill" <jeff2dogs@hotmail.com>
Use the 90 deg ply, just remember to put a thin coat of epoxy on the inside
of the gusset before you glue it into position. That saves you having to
epoxy varnish it after the rib is built when those nooks and crevices are
hard to get to. Definitely put the vertical piece in the rib to
adhere to the rear of each spar. It keeps the ribs equally in position and
the you don't have to use those nails into the top and bottom of the spar
(which weakens the capstrip).
Jeff Hill in Texas starting on the 2nd piet
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| Subject: | 75th anniversary t-shirts |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Guys-- if any of you were fortunate enough to meet Randy Bruce at Brodhead
you'll note that he's quite a fun guy and like Larry said, a talented
artist. His Pietenpol was just GORGEOUS when I saw it for the 70th
gathering five years back but I hear he's no longer got it. Those
t-shirts must be super and I'm going to order one up to support the
cause. How many guys are we going to have finished and flying FIVE years
from now for the 80th gathering ? I'll turn 50 that year so I'm already
making plans to go !
Mike C.
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| Subject: | go here for more pics of Brodhead |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
From the desk, er computer of the fine Grant MacLaren............
http://www.specializedwholesale.com/grantsstuff/brodhead04/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: Wing ribs - 2 questions |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" <mhodgson@bu.edu>
Hi Jake,
As one building wing ribs myself right now, and who benefited a lot from
Charlie Rubeck's workshop at Brodhead, a couple of points:
A) The vertical strut inside the spar, per plans, isn't totally
necessary but is a good idea for two reasons
1) You can nail the rib to the spar from the inside, the
better way Bingelis recommends, rather than from the top and bottom
capstrips the way B.H.P. did.
2) You DON'T need the damn wedges between the top of each
spar and the capstrip, because the strut bears the load for which the
wedges were required (this according to Charlie). That saves a lot of
grief later on when assembling the wing.
B) Struts on outside as well as inside of spar is overkill.
C) Don't trust copies of the full-scale plan. I paid $7 for a
vellum copy to use on my jig, only to find that the Kinko machine had
expanded it some in all directions. The full-scale plan, in fact, does
not exactly agree with B.H.P.'s measurements, and I wound up lofting his
measurements to the jig. I did fix the copy to the inside of the jig
for brace and strut placement which I didn't think was as critical as
the spar and outside wing measurements. And I used a trace of his plan
to make the curve for the capstrip-bending jig.
I'm in the middle of a ton of scanning of Brodhead and other pix, and
I'll have pix of my construction on a website in a week or so (I
hope)--stay tuned. The Brodhead pix I'll send to matronics photoshare
in a couple of days (I hope). Someday I'll finish the ribs.
Mark Hodgson
Beantown
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| Subject: | Bill Rewey, Brooks, Ganzter, Dilatush, Sloan, and more |
!
Thank you Sterling for mailing the nice TACO ID badge. Looks so official
I could have gotten into work this morning with it. Way to go Chuck and
John D. for making the long trips. Heard tons of compliments on the Rocky
Mountain Piet. Got to see Bill Rewey put on a very good Pietenpol Forum
at OSH Tuesday and meet some good Piet folks there. Bill was wearing
Sterling's BYOP (build your own Pietenpol) t-shirt too during his talk and
thanked Sterling for putting the shirt in Bill's cockpit. Sorry I missed
meeting you there, Sterling.
There was a big crowd for Bill's talk and an even Bigger crowd, including
William Wynne and Grace Ellen to see our own Alex Sloan, Pietenpol builder
receive the Bingelis Award at the Homebuilder's Dinner which recognizes an
individual's contributions to the homebuilt-aircraft community, and honors
the memory and involvement of the late Tony Bingelis. Here is a photo of
Alex and his award from last Thursday evening. L-R, Mike C., Doc
Mosher, Grace Ellen, Alex Sloan, & William Wynne.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: question about heritage |
No, I didn't notice the spar. I did hear some grumbling from the crew working
on it about some of the many modifications not working out as planned.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Engelkenjohn
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: question about heritage
I got there monday and tuesday and I was noticing that there were a lack of planes
there too. There seemed to be far fewer military planes in the area where
there used to be a lot of them. There were a lot of areas where in the past
years there were planes and this year there seemed to be more grass.
Not too many ultralights either, a lot of powered parachutes though! A few
years ago, in the morning there would be a dozen or two flying around. Not any
more.They did fly all day tuesday though.
I saw Poberezneys Piet also with the 1/4" ribs. The wood person who built
the wing said Mr. P. noticed that the ribs on many similar planes were 1/4" and
decided to go with that size. Mr. Poberezney is an aircraft designer from years
past and is probably qualified to make that judgement. Did you notice the
front spar was larger on his wing? They were also adding verticals to the ribs
where the drag wires would contact the rib and were going to notch the original
piece.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Navratil
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 10:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: question about heritage
I just got back from OSH tonight. In the wood tent at the show there is a
Piet under construction by the crew for Paul Poberezney (sp?). He came up with
lots of modifications on his including 1/4 x 1/4 ribs. Maybe Doc Mosher would
like to comment further on that project. The Piet was a work in progress over
the life of BHP. I think it is in the spirit of the creator to continue his
thinking.
Another subject. I was set to leave for Broadhead last week when some problems
came up and I couldn't go. So I went to OSH hoping to fill that void. Is
it just me or is that whole show not what it used to be. The afternoon airshow
featured three Bi planes in the air, one with the jet engine and at the same
time there were 2 Semi trucks on the runway with jet engines shooting flame
from every orfice. They had a drag race with monster explosions.
In the ultralight area there was a powered parachute with a jet engine.
Please dont try a jet engine on a Piet.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: Mountain Piet (Subaru power) |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Oscar,
Pics are great!
I have a question,,,,,I'm thinking of putting dihedral into the wing of my
completed/flying Piet. One of the drawbacks was that I had to remake the
main wing struts cause they would have to be longer. I noticed in the pics
of Johns plane that he added adjusting forks to the bottom of a normal
straight streamlined strut tube. Do you know if that fitting is available?
I could add that to the bottom of my existing tube to get the length that I
need.
thanks
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mountain Piet (Subaru power)
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Note to those who didn't get to Brodhead and are curious about the "Subaru
> powered Piet" mentioned in several posts here. That Piet is the beautiful
> creation of John Dilatush, who I had the pleasure and privilege of meeting
> in person last summer. I got to photograph his airplane and I put the
> photos up on a webpage, at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/John_piet.html
>
> "Mountain Piet" is a beauty.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| Subject: | adjustable fork ends for lift struts |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Walt-- I bought my "weldable threaded 4130 barrels" from Wicks and welded
them in all four
lift struts at the lower end and then had some used fork ends which I had
magnafluxed before
I used them. You can get some dihedral this way and adjust washout and
raise a low wing
if she's flying out of rig slightly. A simple way that Bernie did this
tho was to make new attach
straps up at the wing ends and drill the holes where you want your wing to
be. I do think his plans
show those straps with multiple holes so you can do some fiddle/adjusting.
Mike C.
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To those of you with flying airplanes, what is the recommended amount of washout
at the wingtips?
With the wing roots level, how much should the trailing edge of the wingtips be
above level?
We have the dihedral set at 1 3/8".
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
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| Subject: | Re: Trig help... |
Hi,
I have been using some trig for working out angles, etc., all along. I find that
an 'el cheapo' scientifc calculator works great. ( Saw one advertised recently
for $6.99.) Makes it easy to work both ways, i.e find the angle or find
the rise/run measurements from the angle.
Lou Larsen, (back in steamy Florida after the comfortable Brodhead weather.)
----- Original Message -----
From: N925WB1@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trig help...
Jim,
All those angles and measurements can be done with the Sine, Cosine, & Tangent
formulas. Pretty simple stuff once you get the hang of it. I'll have to admit,
though, having a program that calculates it all for you is much easier!
-Wayne
In a message dated 7/31/2004 9:38:31 PM Central Daylight Time, jim_markle@mindspring.com
writes:
I think it's been mentioned before, but thought I would share a great site
I found a while back.
I'm checking some wing angles/rises/slopes/etc and needed to know the exact
angle for a 1" rise at the wingtip....and this site makes quick work of it.
Go here: http://www.engineersedge.com/calculators/triangle_solution_menu.htm and there are a bunch of right triangle formulaes that make the numbers quick and easy (unless you have a Smoley's...and if you know what THAT is, you're an older antique than myself!)
I think I once heard someone say they put in about 1 1/2 degrees of dihedral
so they would have an inch or so at the wingtip....NOT. 1 1/2 degrees at (approx)
161" gives a bit more than 4" of rise....ok, it doesn't really matter at
this point, but it sure is nice to have a quick and easy check of the numbers!
Jim in Plano
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Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax)
| Subject: | Re: Trig help... |
<00cc01c478de$86d0cc00$4c01b341@lmz349ey3cm6h1>
Try using the calculator that comes with Windows (in accessories, if you
installed it). Just set the "view" to scientific, and it will sine,
cosine, and tangent to your heart's content.
-Don
Laurits Larsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have been using some trig for working out angles, etc., all along.
> I find that an 'el cheapo' scientifc calculator works great. ( Saw
> one advertised recently for $6.99.) Makes it easy to work both ways,
> i.e find the angle or find the rise/run measurements from the angle.
>
> Lou Larsen, (back in steamy Florida after the comfortable Brodhead
> weather.)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: N925WB1@aol.com <mailto:N925WB1@aol.com>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 12:06 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trig help...
>
> Jim,
>
> All those angles and measurements can be done with the Sine,
> Cosine, & Tangent formulas. Pretty simple stuff once you get the
> hang of it. I'll have to admit, though, having a program that
> calculates it all for you is much easier!
>
> -Wayne
>
> In a message dated 7/31/2004 9:38:31 PM Central Daylight Time,
> jim_markle@mindspring.com <mailto:jim_markle@mindspring.com> writes:
>
> I think it's been mentioned before, but thought I would share
> a great site I found a while back.
>
> I'm checking some wing angles/rises/slopes/etc and needed to
> know the exact angle for a 1" rise at the wingtip....and this
> site makes quick work of it.
>
> Go here:
> http://www.engineersedge.com/calculators/triangle_solution_menu.htm
> and there are a bunch of right triangle formulaes that make
> the numbers quick and easy (unless you have a Smoley's...and
> if you know what THAT is, you're an older antique than myself!)
>
> I think I once heard someone say they put in about 1 1/2
> degrees of dihedral so they would have an inch or so at the
> wingtip....NOT. 1 1/2 degrees at (approx) 161" gives a bit
> more than 4" of rise....ok, it doesn't really matter at this
> point, but it sure is nice to have a quick and easy check of
> the numbers!
>
> Jim in Plano
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Wing ribs - 2 questions |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jake Crause" <admin@homebuiltairplanes.com>
Jeff, Mark, and Dick,
Thanks for the replies. It looks like the single vertical brace is the
way to go. I won't double brace it like I originally thought of doing.
I just got my copies of the full size wing rib back and they were both
elongated by 1/4 inch. Oh well.
Jake Crause
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