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1. 06:14 AM - Mountain Piet- rigging (Oscar Zuniga)
2. 07:11 AM - adjustable fork ends (Oscar Zuniga)
3. 10:43 AM - an original Pietenpol with a radio, battery, tailwheel, (Michael D Cuy)
4. 11:40 AM - Re: an original Pietenpol with a radio, battery, tailwheel, brakes, generator, and nose tank (DJ Vegh)
5. 03:39 PM - 75th anniversary hats. (Steve Eldredge)
6. 03:48 PM - Re: 75th anniversary hats. (walt evans)
7. 08:26 PM - Plans ()
8. 08:47 PM - end-spinach hinge routing jig (tmbrant1@netzero.net)
9. 09:38 PM - Re: 75th anniversary hats. (erik finster)
10. 09:57 PM - Re: end-spinach hinge routing jig (Catdesign)
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| Subject: | Mountain Piet- rigging |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Walt writes-
>I'm thinking of putting dihedral into the wing of my completed/flying Piet.
Have you flown one with dihedral and determined that it was more stable than
with the flat wing? I have heard that there are drawbacks as well as minor
benefits, but the one who could tell you right away would be Mike Cuy since
he has very definite dihedral in his wing and has experience with other
planes that don't have any. (By the way- there will have to be some sort of
initiation party for Mike when he turns 40... have all the TACO guys form a
gauntlet of juicy, dripping tacos that Mike has to run through, hot sauce,
pouring beer, something).
>I noticed in the pics of Johns plane that he added adjusting forks to the
>bottom
>of a normal straight streamlined strut tube. Do you know if that fitting
>is available?
I've seen the same detail any number of places, even in the old Flying &
Glider Manuals (I think), as well as Bingelis' books (I think). I don't
believe it's a standard fitting so much as it is a combination of welded-in
nuts with a fork for the adjustment. Mike says he has adjustments available
at both ends of the strut, but that seems like overkill to me and may be not
a great idea at the top of the strut, which I would think you want to have
closed shut to keep anything from getting into the strut. Plus, depending
on how your jury struts are attached to the main struts, if you change the
attachment of the top of the strut to the wing, the jury struts get messed
up. That is, if the jury strut attach points are fixed in place, as are the
ones on "Mountain Piet" (not clamped, as are most).
>I could add that to the bottom of my existing tube to get the length that I
>need.
Yep. But I can't be of more help because there was so much to see on John's
Piet that it was all I could do to just ooh and aah and snap pictures
without thinking about details. And John was feeling bad about not taking
me up for a ride in the plane, while a howling wind was blowing outside the
hangar. I'd have to guess it was at least 30MPH and definitely not right
down the runway! We watched somebody in a Scout or Champ or something,
abort a couple of times. Not a good time to be Pietenpoling!
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | adjustable fork ends |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Belay that last. I just re-read Mike's post regarding how he did his
adjustable struts and I was wrong... he only has adjustment at the lower
ends of the struts, not top & bottom.
Now back to thinking of a good "Over the Hill" initiation rite for Mike's
40th.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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brakes, generator, and nose tank
| Subject: | an original Pietenpol with a radio, battery, tailwheel, |
brakes, generator, and nose tank
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
This is too cool.....it shows why so many of the different versions that
Bernard Pietenpol built (23 I think) were all originals !
This paragraph below found
at: http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/FrameRightProductInformation.html
When Chevrolet introduced the Corvair automobile in 1960, it was powered
with a flat six cylinder air cooled engine. It seemed a good candidate for
a low cost, reliable engine to replace the Ford A engine. Mr. Pietenpol
built two more airplanes, one in 1960 and another in 1964, both powered
with Corvair engines. The basic airplane design remained unchanged. The
fuselage was lengthened to compensate for the lighter engine, the pilot and
passenger leg room increased, and brakes and a tail wheel were installed.
An additional eight gallon fuel tank was installed in the nose. A radio,
generator and battery were also incorporated into the design. The Corvair
engine was lighter and more powerful than the Ford A. With the Corvair
engine, the Air Camper performance improved, the ride was more quiet,
smooth, and fuel efficient.
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| Subject: | Re: an original Pietenpol with a radio, battery, tailwheel, |
brakes, generator, and nose tank
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
also consider that when Bernie tried the Corvair it was with an Early model
engine that produced 85hp in a car. He kept the blower fan on the engine
and used the stock cam.
I'd guess he was getting no more than 55 or 60hp to the prop.
Now days we use the late model (65-69) 110hp engine with a cam (OT-10) that
brings the powerband down into lower rpm's and the fan is removed. That fan
can rob more horsepower than you might think.
Conversions of today can expect to see near 100hp. More if you wind up the
prop a little more like the KR guys are doing.
Guys who are second guessing a Corvair conversion should take the time to
see (and hear) one in person. It'll make a believer out of you.
my Corvair beauty here (before I removed the crappy Aerocarb)
http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/images/corvair/engine-on-stand-2.jpg
DJ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: an original Pietenpol with a radio, battery,
tailwheel, brakes, generator, and nose tank
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> This is too cool.....it shows why so many of the different versions that
> Bernard Pietenpol built (23 I think) were all originals !
>
> This paragraph below found
> at:
http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/FrameRightProductInformation.html
>
> When Chevrolet introduced the Corvair automobile in 1960, it was powered
> with a flat six cylinder air cooled engine. It seemed a good candidate for
> a low cost, reliable engine to replace the Ford A engine. Mr. Pietenpol
> built two more airplanes, one in 1960 and another in 1964, both powered
> with Corvair engines. The basic airplane design remained unchanged. The
> fuselage was lengthened to compensate for the lighter engine, the pilot
and
> passenger leg room increased, and brakes and a tail wheel were installed.
> An additional eight gallon fuel tank was installed in the nose. A radio,
> generator and battery were also incorporated into the design. The Corvair
> engine was lighter and more powerful than the Ford A. With the Corvair
> engine, the Air Camper performance improved, the ride was more quiet,
> smooth, and fuel efficient.
>
>
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| Subject: | 75th anniversary hats. |
Better late than never?
Who would be interested? I'm attaching the sew-out.
Front is the logo, back is the lettering.
Best regards,
Steve E
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| Subject: | Re: 75th anniversary hats. |
Steve,
The embriodery looks great, but I'm not into hats. Ever discussed the option of
putting that on a nice "T" shirt? I'd be up for that. Just my two cents.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Eldredge
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 6:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 75th anniversary hats.
Better late than never?
Who would be interested? I'm attaching the sew-out.
Front is the logo, back is the lettering.
Best regards,
Steve E
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Does somebody has an old set of plans and is able to send it to my country (Argentina)?
I will pay for it. I just have the F&GM and because of the exchange
rate (I have to multiply everything by 3) the Don's plans became not affordable
to me. Thank you very much.
Santiago Morete
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Tenelo ya!
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| Subject: | end-spinach hinge routing jig |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.net" <tmbrant1@netzero.net>
Anyone use a jig to route in their rudder / elevator hinges flush? I'm thinking
of making one and how to do it but maybe someone else has already gone to the
trouble of designing one. Should be pretty simple....
I'm glad to be back into building after a long hiatus. It was great to meet a
few folks at Brodhead and to see the variety of piets. Hopefully I can still
reach my goal of geting the fuse and tail sections completed and varnished by
the end of summer. Not too much further to go.
Tom Brant
Brooklyn Park, MN
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| Subject: | 75th anniversary hats. |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "erik finster" <es_finster@hotmail.com>
Dear Steve I would be interested, My Name is Erik Billing I have just
completed my wing rib jig for a Pietenpol Aircamper and would like to get
Maybe 4 Hats if possible Thank You I am ERIK.S.BILLING
>From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: 75th anniversary hats. Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004
>16:38:52 -0600
>
>Better late than never?
>
>
>Who would be interested? I'm attaching the sew-out.
>
>
>Front is the logo, back is the lettering.
>
>
>Best regards,
>
>
>Steve E
>
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| Subject: | Re: end-spinach hinge routing jig |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Catdesign" <catdesign@intergate.com>
Tom
Go here and check out how easily it can be done (Joe Krzes's web page).
http://www.hal-pc.org/~hjkr/hingeslots.htm
I followed this method but routed the slots after I had the tail section
fully built. This way I was sure every thing would line up perfectly.
However if I screwed up, I would have had to building a new tail.
Fortunately its such a fool proof method it worked great.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento,. CA
----- Original Message -----
From: <tmbrant1@netzero.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: end-spinach hinge routing jig
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.net"
<tmbrant1@netzero.net>
>
>
> Anyone use a jig to route in their rudder / elevator hinges flush? I'm
thinking of making one and how to do it but maybe someone else has already
gone to the trouble of designing one. Should be pretty simple....
>
> I'm glad to be back into building after a long hiatus. It was great to
meet a few folks at Brodhead and to see the variety of piets. Hopefully I
can still reach my goal of geting the fuse and tail sections completed and
varnished by the end of summer. Not too much further to go.
>
> Tom Brant
> Brooklyn Park, MN
>
>
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