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1. 05:03 AM - Mountain Piet is wounded! (John Dilatush)
2. 05:23 AM - Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! (Michael D Cuy)
3. 05:32 AM - Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! (baileys)
4. 06:17 AM - Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! (Richard Navratil)
5. 06:30 AM - Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! (Textor, Jack)
6. 07:16 AM - Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
7. 07:35 AM - Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! (Ron Hargrove)
8. 07:40 AM - Re: Fw: Question from eBay Member (Michael D Cuy)
9. 08:02 AM - Re: Magneto stuff (Michael D Cuy)
10. 08:08 AM - Re: Fw: Question from eBay Member (Textor, Jack)
11. 08:10 AM - Re: Magneto stuff (Carl D. Vought)
12. 08:14 AM - Re: Magneto stuff (Christian Bobka)
13. 08:44 AM - Re: Magneto stuff (Christian Bobka)
14. 09:19 AM - Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! (DJ Vegh)
15. 09:20 AM - Re: Fw: Question from eBay Member (Ron Hargrove)
16. 10:02 AM - Re: gn-1s. (baileys)
17. 10:56 AM - Re: Magneto stuff (Michael D Cuy)
18. 11:04 AM - Tailwheel steering (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
19. 11:38 AM - solar charger (Douwe Blumberg)
20. 11:49 AM - Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! (Stacy Clark)
21. 12:08 PM - Re: gn-1s. (Carl D. Vought)
22. 12:12 PM - Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! (Gary Gower)
23. 12:17 PM - Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! (TomTravis@aol.com)
24. 12:35 PM - Re: Pietenpol-Lists: Mountain Piet is wounded! (Gary Gower)
25. 12:57 PM - Re: Tailwheel steering (Isablcorky@aol.com)
26. 02:06 PM - Wire wheels (Richard Carden)
27. 02:20 PM - Re: gn-1s. (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
28. 02:23 PM - Re: Wire wheels (Jack Phillips)
29. 02:35 PM - Re: Fw: Question from eBay Member (hjarrett)
30. 02:47 PM - Re: Wire wheels (Mike)
31. 03:26 PM - Re: Fw: Question from eBay Member (hjarrett)
32. 03:33 PM - Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! (walt evans)
33. 03:59 PM - Re: Wire wheels (Carl D. Vought)
34. 04:07 PM - Re: gn-1s. (Carl D. Vought)
35. 06:07 PM - Re: Wire wheels (Jim Malley)
36. 06:19 PM - Mountain Piet is wounded! (John Dilatush)
37. 06:24 PM - Re: Fw: Question from eBay Member (Gary Gower)
38. 06:26 PM - Re: Wire wheels (Gary Gower)
39. 06:40 PM - Re: Wire wheels (Gary Gower)
40. 07:34 PM - Re: Fw: Question from eBay Member (Mike Whaley)
41. 07:41 PM - Re: solar charger (Richard Navratil)
42. 07:42 PM - Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! (Lynn Knoll)
43. 08:15 PM - Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! (Mike Whaley)
44. 08:26 PM - More hangar space (Christian Bobka)
45. 08:27 PM - Re: hinged / removable turtledeck (tmbrant1@netzero.net)
46. 11:34 PM - Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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Subject: | Mountain Piet is wounded! |
Pieters,
Sad news to report. After I left Brodhead and with an overnight stop in Marshalltown,
I arrived in Jefferson IA.
Early the next morning, I took off and headed west over the town. It was a beautiful
morning, slightly hazy wih the sun just coming over the horizon. I was
just over the west edge of town in a cruise climb configuration at about 500
feet when the engine quit, just like someone turned off the ignition. I only
had one choice, which was a small backyard pasture of a home on the edge of town.
At one end of the field, there was a gap in between some trees and so I headed
there, "threaded the needle" and put Mountain Piet down. The terrain was uphill
and so the rollout was going to be fairly short, but still dicey whether or
not I could get the plane stopped before the barn, so I decided to ground loop
Piet. As I started to swing around to the right, the left wing struck some
large posts about 1/2 way out on the span. The impact swung the plane around
to the left and next thing I knew, I had a crumpled wing wrapped around the left
side of Mountain Piet.
I climbed out and looked around expecting someone to come out of one of the nearby
houses. Dead silence! No one showed up. I got the camera out and decided
to take a few pictures of the plane along with the offending posts. Still no
one! I put the camera away and walked up to the house which was located behind
the barn and found a small shop with the radio going and a sign that read,
"Rug Weaving".
Went inside and found an older gentleman working on a loom. Told him that I had
just crashed my plane in his pasture, and asked to use the phone. "Over there"
he said. and kept on weaving. Got a card out of my wallet and called the
manager of the Jefferson Airport hoping that he was up. He answered and said
he would come out right away, "What's the address?" I asked the man who was still
weaving and he said "811 West South Street" and I repeated it to the airport
manager.
The man weaving stopped, looked me over and asked if I was hurt, I said no, he
went back to weaving the rug he was working on. Acted as if the crash was an
everyday occurance. We talked for awhile about how he got into the rug weaving
business, where he sold them and how he made them etc. Finally he said, "Well,
let's go take a look." We went out and looked the situation over. Satisfied
he went back to the shop, I went out and sat on the curb in front of the house
waiting for Kirk, the airport manager, to arrive.
Kirk arrived and we figured out the tools required and both of us went to the airport
to get them. Still no one around the plane. Kirk phoned a friend who
had a trailer and he said he would help.
Went back to the pasture and found a neighbor had come out of his house along with
several kids standing around the Mountain Piet just respectfully looking things
over. We took the wings off, loaded the plane, I went back to the shop
and thanked the Weaver for the use of his pasture and then we headed for the airport.
There was a tight hangar and we put Piet in there.
Tried to start engine and it would start right away, run a moment and then die.
Fuel pressure OK, but acted as if the filter had clogged up. No water in fuel
when we checked, I was in no mood to pull cowl and start trouble shooting.
Locked up hangar and called friend who was at Oshkosh on his cell phone. He
said would come in his new RV-8 and retrieve me. Good, I guess that I will spend
a few unplanned days at the show! We flew home in the -8 monday.
The damage to Piet is confined to the wing which is toast, but I would also pull
the center section and take a close look at it. The front spar of the center
section shows slight damage where the metal fitting attaches to the wing panel.
Everything else on Mountain Piet seems OK.
I simply don't have the heart to build another wing panel for the plane so am going
to sell it where is and as is, for the best offer. Anyone interested?
John
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Subject: | Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Gosh John, I'm really glad to hear that you were not hurt in the
off-airport landing. I respect your judgement and skill in executing that
landing and really saving yourself and 85% of the airplane. I'm not so
sure how I'd perform given a sudden engine stoppage. Something to think
about and be prepared for more in my flying I think.
Mike
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Subject: | Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! |
John,
I'm very sorry to learn of the accident. Sure I might be interested but I would
say don't sell it until you have given it some more thought. In six months
you may be kicking yourself and saying "Why did I ever let it go?" Heck I still
regret selling a little Farmall Cub I didn't need at the moment.
It looks like parts of the wing might be salvageable. Maybe others could give
you a hand, I know I would be willing to build a few ribs or at least cut some
parts for you.
Kind regards,
Bob B. - Missouri
P.S. The brighter side is they could have taken you out of there on a stretcher.
8
)
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Subject: | Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! |
John
Glad to hear you walked away ok.
Do you need a place to store the plane for a while? I am in Mpls, Mn and have
some spare hangar space and a trailer.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Dilatush
To: Pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 6:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mountain Piet is wounded!
Pieters,
Sad news to report. After I left Brodhead and with an overnight stop in Marshalltown,
I arrived in Jefferson IA.
Early the next morning, I took off and headed west over the town. It was a beautiful
morning, slightly hazy wih the sun just coming over the horizon. I was
just over the west edge of town in a cruise climb configuration at about 500
feet when the engine quit, just like someone turned off the ignition. I only
had one choice, which was a small backyard pasture of a home on the edge of
town.
At one end of the field, there was a gap in between some trees and so I headed
there, "threaded the needle" and put Mountain Piet down. The terrain was uphill
and so the rollout was going to be fairly short, but still dicey whether
or not I could get the plane stopped before the barn, so I decided to ground loop
Piet. As I started to swing around to the right, the left wing struck some
large posts about 1/2 way out on the span. The impact swung the plane around
to the left and next thing I knew, I had a crumpled wing wrapped around the
left side of Mountain Piet.
I climbed out and looked around expecting someone to come out of one of the nearby
houses. Dead silence! No one showed up. I got the camera out and decided
to take a few pictures of the plane along with the offending posts. Still
no one! I put the camera away and walked up to the house which was located behind
the barn and found a small shop with the radio going and a sign that read,
"Rug Weaving".
Went inside and found an older gentleman working on a loom. Told him that I
had just crashed my plane in his pasture, and asked to use the phone. "Over there"
he said. and kept on weaving. Got a card out of my wallet and called the
manager of the Jefferson Airport hoping that he was up. He answered and said
he would come out right away, "What's the address?" I asked the man who was
still weaving and he said "811 West South Street" and I repeated it to the airport
manager.
The man weaving stopped, looked me over and asked if I was hurt, I said no, he
went back to weaving the rug he was working on. Acted as if the crash was an
everyday occurance. We talked for awhile about how he got into the rug weaving
business, where he sold them and how he made them etc. Finally he said, "Well,
let's go take a look." We went out and looked the situation over. Satisfied
he went back to the shop, I went out and sat on the curb in front of the
house waiting for Kirk, the airport manager, to arrive.
Kirk arrived and we figured out the tools required and both of us went to the
airport to get them. Still no one around the plane. Kirk phoned a friend who
had a trailer and he said he would help.
Went back to the pasture and found a neighbor had come out of his house along
with several kids standing around the Mountain Piet just respectfully looking
things over. We took the wings off, loaded the plane, I went back to the shop
and thanked the Weaver for the use of his pasture and then we headed for the
airport. There was a tight hangar and we put Piet in there.
Tried to start engine and it would start right away, run a moment and then die.
Fuel pressure OK, but acted as if the filter had clogged up. No water in
fuel when we checked, I was in no mood to pull cowl and start trouble shooting.
Locked up hangar and called friend who was at Oshkosh on his cell phone.
He said would come in his new RV-8 and retrieve me. Good, I guess that I will
spend a few unplanned days at the show! We flew home in the -8 monday.
The damage to Piet is confined to the wing which is toast, but I would also pull
the center section and take a close look at it. The front spar of the center
section shows slight damage where the metal fitting attaches to the wing panel.
Everything else on Mountain Piet seems OK.
I simply don't have the heart to build another wing panel for the plane so am
going to sell it where is and as is, for the best offer. Anyone interested?
John
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Subject: | Mountain Piet is wounded! |
John,
Glad you got out unhurt! I'm in Des Moines which is about an hour from
Jefferson. If I can assist with any ground work here just let me know.
Jack Textor
515-225-7000 work
_____
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Subject: | Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
John,
Sorry to hear about your difficulty. How far is the airplane from Ottumwa and
Blakesburg IA? This is the home of the Antique Airplane Association, which has
a Pietenpol group of its own. These guys are Pietenpol friendly and may be
able to offer assistance.
Glad you walked away without injury.
--
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
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Subject: | Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Hargrove <ronhargrove@gmail.com>
I certainly am glad you weren't hurt in the landing. I also hate to
hear about the Mountain Piet, as it is a remarkable piece of
workmanship. Dollars to donuts, I would bet you lost oil pressure to
the turbo, and the auto computer shut down the engine to save turbo
damage, not knowing you weren't on the ground anymore...
----- Original Message -----
From: Textor, Jack <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Mountain Piet is wounded!
John,
Glad you got out unhurt! I'm in Des Moines which is about an hour
from Jefferson. If I can assist with any ground work here just let me
know.
Jack Textor
515-225-7000 work
________________________________
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Subject: | Re: Fw: Question from eBay Member |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Hey Jim-- what an idiot this guys is.......luckily he's only getting about
$30 bucks for it with 10 minutes to go. Here is what I just wrote to the guy
Dear mgp60,
Having purchased the plans from the Pietenpol family and building and
flying my own Pietenpol, I was sorry to see that you have copied the plans
and have them for sale on ebay. The entire Pietenpol e-mail list is aware
of what you are doing and are encouraged not to bid on your item.
Best regards,
Mike
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Subject: | Re: Magneto stuff |
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
From memory on my Continental, each mag spins the opposite of each other
off the cam gear and thus the firing order has to match so they mark them
either left or right so they fire the right plugs at in the right
sequence. (if you hook up the plug wires in the correct order !)
Mike C.
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Subject: | Fw: Question from eBay Member |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Textor, Jack" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
Good letter Mike!
Do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Magneto stuff |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
Hi Don...Thanks to you and the others for your responses. The nameplate
that is now on the mag indicates that it was rebuilt at the Slick factory
in Rockford, IL. The model number is given as 4250R (presumably the "R"
stands for "REBUILT") and the SN is 3070088. No lag is listed on the plate,
presumably because it was not and is not equipped with an impulse coupling.
Interestingly, an "L" is stamped on the plate by the legend "ROT.", but a
hand-painted arrow painted on the case indicates clockwise rotation as
viewed from the rear of the case. My application is on a Model-A engine.
The mag will be side-mounted and will be rotated in the same direction as
the prop....Thanks again...Carl
On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 21:43:50 -0500, Don Morris <pietbuilder@donsplans.com>
wrote :
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Don Morris
<pietbuilder@donsplans.com>
>
>
> Hi.
>
> Two things - there is the right and left magneto on the engine
> (obviously). However, the RH and the LH does not refer to this, if I
> understand correctly.>
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Subject: | Re: Magneto stuff |
In addition to what Don says, the impulse coupling, if you have one cannot be reversed.
You would have to find one that operates in the direction you want.
The pawl that the impulse engages with at low RPM would have to be relocated
to one of the other holes as well. Looking at mag will let you know what I mean.
The cam that opens and shuts the points has to be flipped over end for end
so that the points open at the proper time. The mark on the gear on the rotor
has to be remeshed with the bigger gear that distributes the spark, aligning
the LH markings for a LH rotating mag, etc.
Then it is best to remark the mag on the outside so you don't ball yourself up
thinking that the mag spins the other way when it does not!
BTW, a mag will not create a spark if it is spun backwards. A good thing to know
when handproping and needing to reposition the prop...
Chris Bobka
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Morris
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Magneto stuff
Hi.
Two things - there is the right and left magneto on the engine (obviously).
However, the RH and the LH does not refer to this, if I understand correctly.
This is actually the direction of spin of the magneto. Both mags on the engine
will be either RH or LH, because you are correct - they both spin the same
direction. Inside the mag, there will be two sets of timing marks on the distributor
gear, and one will be marked RH and the other LH. The internal timing
is set differently. I am not sure if the timing is the only difference - there
may be other small physical changes. What type of mag are you working with?
I may be able to look it up, as we have a number of books at the A&P school
that I attend.
-Don
> Can anyone out there enlighten me/us as to the physical difference between
> one magneto marked "right hand" and another marked "left hand"??? I know
> that's a dumb question, but sometimes one has to expose his ignorance in
> order to eradicate it. My understanding is that both mags turn the same
> direction. On a slightly different track: can a mag marked "LH" be reworked
> to a "RH" configuration?
walt evans wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Something to add about magnetos,,,Since the "flat" gear on the Eisemann
magneto is so expensive, for the impulse side, my Mentor built me a mag with
an impulse and the "deep" gear. Then he made a collar with "fits" the
thickness of the difference, so everything would run true.
Just needed two gaskets and long studs to secure it.
It's fine on an Experimental, and works great. Now with 50 or so hours on
the engine, it starts with a simple flip with the left mag selected.
PS Think the flat gear is over $500.00 retail, while the deep gear is a
dime a dozen.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Smith" <lesmith@roanokeinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Magneto stuff
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Smith"
<lesmith@roanokeinternet.com>
Usually, the left hand mag has an impulse coupling that retards the
spark timing for starting. This is normally evident by an additional
mechanism on the drive end.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of BARNSTMR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Magneto stuff
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
On a Continental and most other aircraft engines...theres no
difference....except one fires the bottom and the other fires
the top plugs. If you have an engine with staggered
timing...the mags are still the same...just one is "clocked"
at a slightly different angle. Perhaps some uninformed
mechanic marked them this way thinking there was some difference.
--
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
Matronics Forums.
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Subject: | Re: Magneto stuff |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
Michael!
Both mags spin the same way on the A-65 or with almost any engine! Your
A-65-8 would use RH rotation mags. The mags are driven off of the gear on
the back of the crank. This is the same gear that drives the cam. This
gear is rotating the same direction as the prop which is CW when in the
cockpit and anti CW when looking at the prop from the front. This would
mean that the gears on the mags and cam would have to turn the other way
which would be anti CW if you were holding the mag with the gear pointing
away from you. Convention says that you determine the mag rotation by
looking at the mag from its driven end and the way the top of the gear
rotates. So if it is anti CW when the gear is pointed away, then it is is
CW when the gear is pointing at you. CW means the top moves to the right,
hence the RH rotation. Mags used on the A-65 include SF4R, S4RN, AM-4 with
a RH and an arrow, or with Slicks you will have an RH stamped on the data
plate. That is why the R in the names.
If you have a C series or an O-200 that is starter equipped, then the mags
are driven by the cam gear rather than the crank gear. This is to
accomodate the starter and the generator pads on the accessory case. We saw
above that the cam gear rotates anti CW when you are sitting in the cockpit.
Therefore the mags go the other way from the cam gear that they are driven
by. This is the same way as the prop. LH would be the rotation at the top
when you look at the mag from its driven end. Mags used on these engines
include the S4LN, AM-4 with an LH and an arrow, or with Slicks, you will
have an LH stamped on the data plate.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Magneto stuff
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> From memory on my Continental, each mag spins the opposite of each other
> off the cam gear and thus the firing order has to match so they mark them
> either left or right so they fire the right plugs at in the right
> sequence. (if you hook up the plug wires in the correct order !)
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! |
damn John, that really sucks. You did good with what you were handed. I am
always fearful of the dreaded dead-stick at low altitude. I hope I never have
to experience it first hand.
I can understand your feeling about not wanting to fool with fixing it, but maybe
a little time might change your mind. When I lose one of my large scale RC
planes or helicopters to a crash I feel the same way. Sometimes those crashes
can cost me well over $1500. Right after I feel sick about it and claim that
I'm just gonna sell all my RC stuff and move on. Eventually I get past it
and recover, but it does affect my mood big time.
Maybe just sit tight for a couple weeks.... let the initial shock wear off and
then reevaluate your thoughts on selling.
In any case I'm VERY glad you came away from this intact.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: John Dilatush
To: Pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 4:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mountain Piet is wounded!
Pieters,
Sad news to report. After I left Brodhead and with an overnight stop in Marshalltown,
I arrived in Jefferson IA.
Early the next morning, I took off and headed west over the town. It was a beautiful
morning, slightly hazy wih the sun just coming over the horizon. I was
just over the west edge of town in a cruise climb configuration at about 500
feet when the engine quit, just like someone turned off the ignition. I only
had one choice, which was a small backyard pasture of a home on the edge of
town.
At one end of the field, there was a gap in between some trees and so I headed
there, "threaded the needle" and put Mountain Piet down. The terrain was uphill
and so the rollout was going to be fairly short, but still dicey whether
or not I could get the plane stopped before the barn, so I decided to ground loop
Piet. As I started to swing around to the right, the left wing struck some
large posts about 1/2 way out on the span. The impact swung the plane around
to the left and next thing I knew, I had a crumpled wing wrapped around the
left side of Mountain Piet.
I climbed out and looked around expecting someone to come out of one of the nearby
houses. Dead silence! No one showed up. I got the camera out and decided
to take a few pictures of the plane along with the offending posts. Still
no one! I put the camera away and walked up to the house which was located behind
the barn and found a small shop with the radio going and a sign that read,
"Rug Weaving".
Went inside and found an older gentleman working on a loom. Told him that I
had just crashed my plane in his pasture, and asked to use the phone. "Over there"
he said. and kept on weaving. Got a card out of my wallet and called the
manager of the Jefferson Airport hoping that he was up. He answered and said
he would come out right away, "What's the address?" I asked the man who was
still weaving and he said "811 West South Street" and I repeated it to the airport
manager.
The man weaving stopped, looked me over and asked if I was hurt, I said no, he
went back to weaving the rug he was working on. Acted as if the crash was an
everyday occurance. We talked for awhile about how he got into the rug weaving
business, where he sold them and how he made them etc. Finally he said, "Well,
let's go take a look." We went out and looked the situation over. Satisfied
he went back to the shop, I went out and sat on the curb in front of the
house waiting for Kirk, the airport manager, to arrive.
Kirk arrived and we figured out the tools required and both of us went to the
airport to get them. Still no one around the plane. Kirk phoned a friend who
had a trailer and he said he would help.
Went back to the pasture and found a neighbor had come out of his house along
with several kids standing around the Mountain Piet just respectfully looking
things over. We took the wings off, loaded the plane, I went back to the shop
and thanked the Weaver for the use of his pasture and then we headed for the
airport. There was a tight hangar and we put Piet in there.
Tried to start engine and it would start right away, run a moment and then die.
Fuel pressure OK, but acted as if the filter had clogged up. No water in
fuel when we checked, I was in no mood to pull cowl and start trouble shooting.
Locked up hangar and called friend who was at Oshkosh on his cell phone.
He said would come in his new RV-8 and retrieve me. Good, I guess that I will
spend a few unplanned days at the show! We flew home in the -8 monday.
The damage to Piet is confined to the wing which is toast, but I would also pull
the center section and take a close look at it. The front spar of the center
section shows slight damage where the metal fitting attaches to the wing panel.
Everything else on Mountain Piet seems OK.
I simply don't have the heart to build another wing panel for the plane so am
going to sell it where is and as is, for the best offer. Anyone interested?
John
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Hargrove <ronhargrove@gmail.com>
Unfortunately, I did buy plans from this guy thinking they were unused
originals. I think I will destroy them just on the principal of the
thing. I have also sent an email to Don Pietenpol informing him of the
situation.
Ron
On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:08:27 -0500, Textor, Jack
<jtextor@thepalmergroup.com> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Textor, Jack" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
>
> Good letter Mike!
> Do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Dang no one answered your question. I didn't get to go this year, but I would
be surprised if there were no GN-1's at the fly-in.
Bob B.
Did anybody on this list go or is there anyone out there???
----- Original Message -----
From: lanny bissell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 3:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: gn-1s.
Doc, Any GN-1s at Broadhead? I'm new to the list and Pietenpols in general,
but I wonder why I never see much about the GN-1 which I understand is a "modern"
version of the Piet.
Howard Bissell
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Subject: | Re: Magneto stuff |
<001001c47a65$2548a560$ccf20bd0@user0dl3n2ruzo>
<000e01c47a67$85c3fa50$2cc5fea9@home>
<5.1.1.5.2.20040805110054.02962828@popserve.grc.nasa.gov>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Chris-- opps ! The sketch I drew on my yellow sticky note before I mailed
that off was wrong !
You are right--- both mags spin in the same direction.
Mike
At 10:47 AM 8/5/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
>
>Michael!
>
>Both mags spin the same way on the A-65 or with almost any engine! Your
>A-65-8 would use RH rotation mags. The mags are driven off of the gear on
>the back of the crank. This is the same gear that drives the cam. This
>gear is rotating the same direction as the prop which is CW when in the
>cockpit and anti CW when looking at the prop from the front. This would
>mean that the gears on the mags and cam would have to turn the other way
>which would be anti CW if you were holding the mag with the gear pointing
>away from you. Convention says that you determine the mag rotation by
>looking at the mag from its driven end and the way the top of the gear
>rotates. So if it is anti CW when the gear is pointed away, then it is is
>CW when the gear is pointing at you. CW means the top moves to the right,
>hence the RH rotation. Mags used on the A-65 include SF4R, S4RN, AM-4 with
>a RH and an arrow, or with Slicks you will have an RH stamped on the data
>plate. That is why the R in the names.
>
>If you have a C series or an O-200 that is starter equipped, then the mags
>are driven by the cam gear rather than the crank gear. This is to
>accomodate the starter and the generator pads on the accessory case. We saw
>above that the cam gear rotates anti CW when you are sitting in the cockpit.
>Therefore the mags go the other way from the cam gear that they are driven
>by. This is the same way as the prop. LH would be the rotation at the top
>when you look at the mag from its driven end. Mags used on these engines
>include the S4LN, AM-4 with an LH and an arrow, or with Slicks, you will
>have an LH stamped on the data plate.
>
>Chris
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 10:02 AM
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Magneto stuff
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
><Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
> >
> > From memory on my Continental, each mag spins the opposite of each other
> > off the cam gear and thus the firing order has to match so they mark them
> > either left or right so they fire the right plugs at in the right
> > sequence. (if you hook up the plug wires in the correct order !)
> >
> > Mike C.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Subject: | Tailwheel steering |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Group,
I sent this email awhile back and never had any responses. I am trying again (now
that everyone but Chuck is home from Broadhead/Osh). Anyone ever have experience
with this?
--
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
====================
Subj: Tailwheel Cable Geometry
Date: 7/27/2004 11:46:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: BARNSTMR
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Last week I was showing Chuck my plan for tailwheel steering. We got into a discussion
about geometry and the leverage and throw required for steering. Chuck
showed me how he attached tailwheel steering cables very close inboard from
his feet near the center of the fulcrum on the rudder bar. His logic is that
the 'throw" (or travel) is a shorter distance on the tailwheel steering arms
than on the rudder horns.
I am getting ready to design the attachments for tailwheel steering on mine and
have been thinking more about this. First of all....our plane does not have
a rudder bar...but instead has pedals similar to a J3 cub. I could accomplish
the same effect of Chucks design by welding a tab onto the pedal closer to the
pedal fulcrum. This way the tailwheel steering travel will be shorter than
the rudder cable travel.
But after thinking this over... I am not so sure that this is the best way to set
this up. I am planning to use compression springs at the tailwheel steering
arms to dampen shimmy. But I am thinking that the springs will also compensate
for the difference in "throw" if I choose to tie the rudder and tailwheel
cables together with the same travel. In addition....I am thinking that this
should allow more steering authority with less input when the tailwheel is on
the ground.
Does anyone have any experience and comment on this? I am not knocking Chucks
design. He is a whiz at all things mechanical. But I am just trying to think
this through before I make more parts. One thing I did notice is that 'ol NX770CG's
rudder seems to swipe back and forth a lot on 3-point landing as it is
steered down the runway. I don't notice nearly that much rudder input required
to steer the Taylorcraft.
TLB
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Hey guys,
I saw Chuck Ganzer's solar panel he uses to charge a small battery which in turn
powers his GPS, radio etc.
I thought this was a great idea but am not electrically minded enough to figure
it out.
I can get a small solar panel and install it in my top wing. Then some wiring
to a small battery, which goes back to some plugs for my intercom and gps etc.
My question is what is the voltage we need? will these items run off a 12v battery?
I can get a nice small 1lb 12v. Also, how do you keep it from overcharging
without much weight? or do you just have a disconnect switch when the battery
is full?
This would clearly be for when one is away from home, but it's clean and always
ready.
Any electric experts out there?
thanks,
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! |
John,
Just as another person said, give yourself a couple day to think it over. Don't
set yourself up for any "woulda, shoulda, coulda's" later.
I bought my spruce kit from AS&S and I "had to" take the rib material (i.e.: package
deal) even though I didn't need it because I already have the pre-built
ribs from Charles. I've been wondering what the hell I was going to do with all
that extra wood. About all it's good for up here to me is a small bonfire.
Tell you what, the rib material is yours if you'll accept it. All you have
to do is pay for the shipping...
Now the bad news, I live in the Alaskan Bush so shipping will no doubt be a little
more than the lower 48, however, I have a solution for that too. I might
suggest to others reading this that someone manage a small fund to get the wood
to John. (I don't have time to do that). When I shipped the material up here
it cost me $350.00 (the entire spruce kit plus some extra wood and T-88 that
is) [5 boxes at 150 lbs total]. I still have the long boxes the material came
in. So, I would guess just shipping the rib material would be less than $50.00
Ground. (For reference I'm in area code 99559). Maybe someone else could
donate the spar material, and so on...
John, this isn't charity by any means. This is just guys gathering around in a
"virtual hanger" scratching their collective heads figuring out how to get Mountain
Piet flying again. Your aircraft is an inspiration to a lot of us (though
I won't be using a Subaru anytime soon :-)). All I ask in return is that
you lead me through your neck of the woods as I fly from here in the bush to Washington
D.C. in a couple of years, but that's another story.
Stacy
The Bethel Belle Project
Bethel, Alaska
There is only one greater thing than to believe in the impossible...and that is
to achieve it -- Stacy Clark
----- Original Message -----
From: John Dilatush
To: Pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 3:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mountain Piet is wounded!
Pieters,
Sad news to report. After I left Brodhead and with an overnight stop in Marshalltown,
I arrived in Jefferson IA.
Early the next morning, I took off and headed west over the town. It was a beautiful
morning, slightly hazy wih the sun just coming over the horizon. I was
just over the west edge of town in a cruise climb configuration at about 500
feet when the engine quit, just like someone turned off the ignition. I only
had one choice, which was a small backyard pasture of a home on the edge of
town.
At one end of the field, there was a gap in between some trees and so I headed
there, "threaded the needle" and put Mountain Piet down. The terrain was uphill
and so the rollout was going to be fairly short, but still dicey whether
or not I could get the plane stopped before the barn, so I decided to ground loop
Piet. As I started to swing around to the right, the left wing struck some
large posts about 1/2 way out on the span. The impact swung the plane around
to the left and next thing I knew, I had a crumpled wing wrapped around the
left side of Mountain Piet.
I climbed out and looked around expecting someone to come out of one of the nearby
houses. Dead silence! No one showed up. I got the camera out and decided
to take a few pictures of the plane along with the offending posts. Still
no one! I put the camera away and walked up to the house which was located behind
the barn and found a small shop with the radio going and a sign that read,
"Rug Weaving".
Went inside and found an older gentleman working on a loom. Told him that I
had just crashed my plane in his pasture, and asked to use the phone. "Over there"
he said. and kept on weaving. Got a card out of my wallet and called the
manager of the Jefferson Airport hoping that he was up. He answered and said
he would come out right away, "What's the address?" I asked the man who was
still weaving and he said "811 West South Street" and I repeated it to the airport
manager.
The man weaving stopped, looked me over and asked if I was hurt, I said no, he
went back to weaving the rug he was working on. Acted as if the crash was an
everyday occurance. We talked for awhile about how he got into the rug weaving
business, where he sold them and how he made them etc. Finally he said, "Well,
let's go take a look." We went out and looked the situation over. Satisfied
he went back to the shop, I went out and sat on the curb in front of the
house waiting for Kirk, the airport manager, to arrive.
Kirk arrived and we figured out the tools required and both of us went to the
airport to get them. Still no one around the plane. Kirk phoned a friend who
had a trailer and he said he would help.
Went back to the pasture and found a neighbor had come out of his house along
with several kids standing around the Mountain Piet just respectfully looking
things over. We took the wings off, loaded the plane, I went back to the shop
and thanked the Weaver for the use of his pasture and then we headed for the
airport. There was a tight hangar and we put Piet in there.
Tried to start engine and it would start right away, run a moment and then die.
Fuel pressure OK, but acted as if the filter had clogged up. No water in
fuel when we checked, I was in no mood to pull cowl and start trouble shooting.
Locked up hangar and called friend who was at Oshkosh on his cell phone.
He said would come in his new RV-8 and retrieve me. Good, I guess that I will
spend a few unplanned days at the show! We flew home in the -8 monday.
The damage to Piet is confined to the wing which is toast, but I would also pull
the center section and take a close look at it. The front spar of the center
section shows slight damage where the metal fitting attaches to the wing panel.
Everything else on Mountain Piet seems OK.
I simply don't have the heart to build another wing panel for the plane so am
going to sell it where is and as is, for the best offer. Anyone interested?
John
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
Sorry for not responding..I got to B'head on Thursday and left on Sunday. I
counted 16 Piets during those days. I say a Jenny (Glory!) and I saw a
beautiful round-engine Hatz and others, but no GN-1...Carl
Vought/Huntsville, AL
On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:02:11 -0500, "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net> wrote :
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net>
>
>
>
> Dang no one answered your question. I didn't get to go this year, but I
would be surprised if there were no GN-1's at the fly-in.
> Bob B.
> Did anybody on this list go or is there anyone out there???
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: lanny bissell
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 3:56 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: gn-1s.
>
>
> Doc, Any GN-1s at Broadhead? I'm new to the list and Pietenpols in
general, but I wonder why I never see much about the GN-1 which I
understand is a "modern" version of the Piet.
> Howard Bissell
>
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Subject: | Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello John,
Glad you are OK and even the damage looks impressive the landing was
succesfull, first check the plane maybe is easy repairable than you
think.
I like your Piet a lot, I have all the photos in my computer.
I will gladly buy it from you... BUT NOT NOW! A friend never takes
advantage of a friend in problems.
I know you can get some asitance from EAA'ers near there. If you cant
get a better option in taking it back home, Yellow Freight uses (at
least here) 20' trailers that might be not as expensive as 46fts...
Now you might feel very bad, but I am sure that in a few months you
will be glad of all the friends you made in the way and retriving was
not that expensive.
One more time, glad that you are OK. I know all of us will keep track
of this incident, and I am sure that you will find some help, from some
of us fisicaly closer to you and Montain Piet, than myself.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico.
--- John Dilatush <dilatush@amigo.net> wrote:
> Pieters,
>
> Sad news to report. After I left Brodhead and with an overnight stop
> in Marshalltown, I arrived in Jefferson IA.
>
> Early the next morning, I took off and headed west over the town. It
> was a beautiful morning, slightly hazy wih the sun just coming over
> the horizon. I was just over the west edge of town in a cruise climb
> configuration at about 500 feet when the engine quit, just like
> someone turned off the ignition. I only had one choice, which was a
> small backyard pasture of a home on the edge of town.
>
> At one end of the field, there was a gap in between some trees and so
> I headed there, "threaded the needle" and put Mountain Piet down.
> The terrain was uphill and so the rollout was going to be fairly
> short, but still dicey whether or not I could get the plane stopped
> before the barn, so I decided to ground loop Piet. As I started to
> swing around to the right, the left wing struck some large posts
> about 1/2 way out on the span. The impact swung the plane around to
> the left and next thing I knew, I had a crumpled wing wrapped around
> the left side of Mountain Piet.
>
> I climbed out and looked around expecting someone to come out of one
> of the nearby houses. Dead silence! No one showed up. I got the
> camera out and decided to take a few pictures of the plane along with
> the offending posts. Still no one! I put the camera away and walked
> up to the house which was located behind the barn and found a small
> shop with the radio going and a sign that read, "Rug Weaving".
>
> Went inside and found an older gentleman working on a loom. Told him
> that I had just crashed my plane in his pasture, and asked to use the
> phone. "Over there" he said. and kept on weaving. Got a card out of
> my wallet and called the manager of the Jefferson Airport hoping that
> he was up. He answered and said he would come out right away,
> "What's the address?" I asked the man who was still weaving and he
> said "811 West South Street" and I repeated it to the airport
> manager.
>
> The man weaving stopped, looked me over and asked if I was hurt, I
> said no, he went back to weaving the rug he was working on. Acted as
> if the crash was an everyday occurance. We talked for awhile about
> how he got into the rug weaving business, where he sold them and how
> he made them etc. Finally he said, "Well, let's go take a look." We
> went out and looked the situation over. Satisfied he went back to
> the shop, I went out and sat on the curb in front of the house
> waiting for Kirk, the airport manager, to arrive.
>
> Kirk arrived and we figured out the tools required and both of us
> went to the airport to get them. Still no one around the plane.
> Kirk phoned a friend who had a trailer and he said he would help.
>
> Went back to the pasture and found a neighbor had come out of his
> house along with several kids standing around the Mountain Piet just
> respectfully looking things over. We took the wings off, loaded the
> plane, I went back to the shop and thanked the Weaver for the use of
> his pasture and then we headed for the airport. There was a tight
> hangar and we put Piet in there.
>
> Tried to start engine and it would start right away, run a moment and
> then die. Fuel pressure OK, but acted as if the filter had clogged
> up. No water in fuel when we checked, I was in no mood to pull cowl
> and start trouble shooting. Locked up hangar and called friend who
> was at Oshkosh on his cell phone. He said would come in his new RV-8
> and retrieve me. Good, I guess that I will spend a few unplanned
> days at the show! We flew home in the -8 monday.
>
> The damage to Piet is confined to the wing which is toast, but I
> would also pull the center section and take a close look at it. The
> front spar of the center section shows slight damage where the metal
> fitting attaches to the wing panel. Everything else on Mountain Piet
> seems OK.
>
> I simply don't have the heart to build another wing panel for the
> plane so am going to sell it where is and as is, for the best offer.
> Anyone interested?
>
> John
> ATTACHMENT part 2 image/jpeg name=P1020361.jpg
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Subject: | Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! |
John,
I'm sorry to hear of your engine failure and forced landing but am glad to
hear you're OK. You obvioulsy did a fantatic job of getting it in that field.
I'll be glad to make you some replacement ribs or whatever else I can do to
help get you back in the air. Don't give up on your beautiful Piet just yet.
Tom
Travis
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hi Michael,
In our club, twice a year since about 8 to 10 years ago, we make a
deadstick landing contest in a dry lake near our landing strip.
It beguined since the time of the old ultralights (2 cycle engines),
now all, even 912 Rotax have to participate, also we have participats
from other little clubs near here (is getting famous).
The lake is 20 x 50 miles long of hard sand, we make a white line and
each pilot has 3 chances, the engine is shot down 1,500 ft (800 ft in
ultralights) above when we pass over the mark. All the pilots that
land farther from the line (short or passed) in each category, pays for
a round of Corona beer in the next sunday barbacue in the club.
I had this idea when we lost a good friend of the club in a hard
landing about 11 years ago.
We dont do more practice because the lake is flooded with mud about six
months a year.
We sometimes have big surprices from proficient pilots that land real
far, even one with lots of hours experience, landed 90 degrees off
course in his spam cam.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
--- Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Gosh John, I'm really glad to hear that you were not hurt in the
> off-airport landing. I respect your judgement and skill in
> executing that
> landing and really saving yourself and 85% of the airplane. I'm not
> so
> sure how I'd perform given a sudden engine stoppage. Something to
> think
> about and be prepared for more in my flying I think.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Tailwheel steering |
Terry,
I had a small problem when I first began taxiing 41CC. I had a few months
before flown a Christian Eagle and I was all over the runway because of the short
arm on the steering tail wheel. ( That's different from the Army's short
arm). 41CC felt the same as the Eagle. It has a 6 inch steerable Scott. Both the
t/w and rudder horn cables terminate on the ends of the rudder bar. I decided
to fab two strips of 4130 3/4X 6 .080 to extend the t/w steering arms. Drilled
extra holes in the Scott steering arms for mounting screws and 2 holes for
cable spring mountings. I found that the fartherest holes outboard were too wide
and made turning difficult so I came back to the hole nearer inboard and found
it perfect. Felt like an Aeronca steering reaction.
You might wait until it's taxiing time to try this as the FEEL of a plane is
a very personal thing. Also, as I became accustomed to the plane it would have
been natural to have flown it with the first configuration. You have to learn
to fly those little dudes as well as build them. Hopes this helps
Corky, still in La living the good life with his bride.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard Carden <flywrite@erols.com>
I've read a few anecdotals about claims that spoked motorcycle wheels
are not designed to take side loads and are sure to collapse if used on
a Piet/GN-1. Does anyone have any ACTUAL experience (good or bad) with
motorcycle wheels, or is this simply an old saw handed down from
builder to builder?
Dick Carden
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There was a GN-1 and it was camped at the back side of the airport. It was yellow
and black. I talked with the owner, he was hangered at Cairo, Illinois (southern
tip) and had flown up to Brodhead. He said he sometimes felt like some Piet
people were prejudiced against GN-1's and he was leery of taking up passengers
right now. He has been to Brodhead in the past and given rides though. Forgot
his name, though, damn this old age stuff.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: baileys
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gn-1s.
Dang no one answered your question. I didn't get to go this year, but I would
be surprised if there were no GN-1's at the fly-in.
Bob B.
Did anybody on this list go or is there anyone out there???
----- Original Message -----
From: lanny bissell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 3:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: gn-1s.
Doc, Any GN-1s at Broadhead? I'm new to the list and Pietenpols in general,
but I wonder why I never see much about the GN-1 which I understand is a "modern"
version of the Piet.
Howard Bissell
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
I don't have any actual data, but it makes sense. If you look at automotive
wire wheels, or aviation wire wheels (like the Jenny in the EAA museum),
they invariably have a much wider hub than motorcycle wheels do. Having
occasionally made less than perfect crosswind landings, I would rather err
on the side of safety. I made my hubs 6" wide, and adapted them to accept
Cleveland disc brakes. To each his own.
Jack Phillips
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Carden
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 5:04 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wire wheels
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard Carden <flywrite@erols.com>
I've read a few anecdotals about claims that spoked motorcycle wheels
are not designed to take side loads and are sure to collapse if used on
a Piet/GN-1. Does anyone have any ACTUAL experience (good or bad) with
motorcycle wheels, or is this simply an old saw handed down from
builder to builder?
Dick Carden
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Subject: | Re: Fw: Question from eBay Member |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "hjarrett" <hjarrett@hroads.net>
I thought long and hard about bidding on the plans. The thing is I am
looking for a set as a REFERENCE ONLY. I have several sets of plans I have
gotten as copies and when I was ready to start on a Graham Lee Nieuport I
bought a set of serial numbered plans to make it legal. It is extremely
unethical to build a second plane off of the same plans and deprive the
designer of the meager income they generate. After thinking about it I felt
that buying them would only encourage him to sell additional copies and
didn't bid. Of course I am still in the position that I would really like
to study the plans and don't have access to a set.
How would I go about getting a set to study and NOT build from? I have a
pant load of projects and don't have time to add another but the engineer in
me really wants to look at how BP solved a bunch of design problems.
Hank J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Question from eBay Member
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
<Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
>
> Hey Jim-- what an idiot this guys is.......luckily he's only getting about
> $30 bucks for it with 10 minutes to go. Here is what I just wrote to the
guy
>
> Dear mgp60,
> Having purchased the plans from the Pietenpol family and building and
> flying my own Pietenpol, I was sorry to see that you have copied the plans
> and have them for sale on ebay. The entire Pietenpol e-mail list is
aware
> of what you are doing and are encouraged not to bid on your item.
>
> Best regards,
> Mike
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike" <bike.mike@verizon.net>
With a sidecar, a motorcycle's wheels are subject to the same axial (side)
loads as automobile wheels.
There are literally thousands of motorcycles that have run with sidecars
successfully. Some have even raced.
I don't think that would be the case if no motorcycle wheels could take
axial loads.
Mike Hardaway
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wire wheels
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
> I don't have any actual data, but it makes sense. If you look at
automotive
> wire wheels, or aviation wire wheels (like the Jenny in the EAA museum),
> they invariably have a much wider hub than motorcycle wheels do. Having
> occasionally made less than perfect crosswind landings, I would rather err
> on the side of safety. I made my hubs 6" wide, and adapted them to accept
> Cleveland disc brakes. To each his own.
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
> Carden
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 5:04 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wire wheels
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard Carden <flywrite@erols.com>
>
> I've read a few anecdotals about claims that spoked motorcycle wheels
> are not designed to take side loads and are sure to collapse if used on
> a Piet/GN-1. Does anyone have any ACTUAL experience (good or bad) with
> motorcycle wheels, or is this simply an old saw handed down from
> builder to builder?
>
> Dick Carden
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Fw: Question from eBay Member |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "hjarrett" <hjarrett@hroads.net>
I don't think I would destroy the plans, just insure they are never used to
build from. There is nothing wrong with having an extra set in the shop to
build from and keeping the "legal" set at home for study and a permanent
record is there?
It's a real pain when you knock a can of paint over on your plans ant you
only have the originals!
Hank J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Hargrove" <ronhargrove@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Question from eBay Member
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Hargrove <ronhargrove@gmail.com>
>
> Unfortunately, I did buy plans from this guy thinking they were unused
> originals. I think I will destroy them just on the principal of the
> thing. I have also sent an email to Don Pietenpol informing him of the
> situation.
>
> Ron
>
> On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:08:27 -0500, Textor, Jack
> <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com> wrote:
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Textor, Jack"
<jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
> >
> > Good letter Mike!
> > Do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! |
John,
"any landing that you can walk away from...." well you know the rest.
Count your blessings, and think about the instructor that did the engine outs with
you.
Anyway,,,glad to hear your OK, and I think that all the advice that the guys are
giving is good. Don't be too quick to sell. I think it's good advice.
It's a bittersweet feeling, that in a weird way you can be proud that you made
a landing that we all think of and wonder, when the time comes, how it will turn
out.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: John Dilatush
To: Pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 7:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mountain Piet is wounded!
Pieters,
Sad news to report. After I left Brodhead and with an overnight stop in Marshalltown,
I arrived in Jefferson IA.
Early the next morning, I took off and headed west over the town. It was a beautiful
morning, slightly hazy wih the sun just coming over the horizon. I was
just over the west edge of town in a cruise climb configuration at about 500
feet when the engine quit, just like someone turned off the ignition. I only
had one choice, which was a small backyard pasture of a home on the edge of
town.
At one end of the field, there was a gap in between some trees and so I headed
there, "threaded the needle" and put Mountain Piet down. The terrain was uphill
and so the rollout was going to be fairly short, but still dicey whether
or not I could get the plane stopped before the barn, so I decided to ground loop
Piet. As I started to swing around to the right, the left wing struck some
large posts about 1/2 way out on the span. The impact swung the plane around
to the left and next thing I knew, I had a crumpled wing wrapped around the
left side of Mountain Piet.
I climbed out and looked around expecting someone to come out of one of the nearby
houses. Dead silence! No one showed up. I got the camera out and decided
to take a few pictures of the plane along with the offending posts. Still
no one! I put the camera away and walked up to the house which was located behind
the barn and found a small shop with the radio going and a sign that read,
"Rug Weaving".
Went inside and found an older gentleman working on a loom. Told him that I
had just crashed my plane in his pasture, and asked to use the phone. "Over there"
he said. and kept on weaving. Got a card out of my wallet and called the
manager of the Jefferson Airport hoping that he was up. He answered and said
he would come out right away, "What's the address?" I asked the man who was
still weaving and he said "811 West South Street" and I repeated it to the airport
manager.
The man weaving stopped, looked me over and asked if I was hurt, I said no, he
went back to weaving the rug he was working on. Acted as if the crash was an
everyday occurance. We talked for awhile about how he got into the rug weaving
business, where he sold them and how he made them etc. Finally he said, "Well,
let's go take a look." We went out and looked the situation over. Satisfied
he went back to the shop, I went out and sat on the curb in front of the
house waiting for Kirk, the airport manager, to arrive.
Kirk arrived and we figured out the tools required and both of us went to the
airport to get them. Still no one around the plane. Kirk phoned a friend who
had a trailer and he said he would help.
Went back to the pasture and found a neighbor had come out of his house along
with several kids standing around the Mountain Piet just respectfully looking
things over. We took the wings off, loaded the plane, I went back to the shop
and thanked the Weaver for the use of his pasture and then we headed for the
airport. There was a tight hangar and we put Piet in there.
Tried to start engine and it would start right away, run a moment and then die.
Fuel pressure OK, but acted as if the filter had clogged up. No water in
fuel when we checked, I was in no mood to pull cowl and start trouble shooting.
Locked up hangar and called friend who was at Oshkosh on his cell phone.
He said would come in his new RV-8 and retrieve me. Good, I guess that I will
spend a few unplanned days at the show! We flew home in the -8 monday.
The damage to Piet is confined to the wing which is toast, but I would also pull
the center section and take a close look at it. The front spar of the center
section shows slight damage where the metal fitting attaches to the wing panel.
Everything else on Mountain Piet seems OK.
I simply don't have the heart to build another wing panel for the plane so am
going to sell it where is and as is, for the best offer. Anyone interested?
John
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
This is like waving a red flag in front of a bull. This has got to be my
pet pieve! People will say "motorcycles can't take sideloads,(which is
true) so the wheels must not be able to take side loads". There's no
logical connection between those two statements! One has to eventually
answer the question "how much strength do I need?" I can't answer that
question, but I can tell you what the maximum force to which the wheels
could be subjected in practice. Everybody knows that the straight-axle gear
is as strong as a bridge! If the wheels can withstand the sideload strength
limits of the straight-axle gear, you've gotta believe in those wheels!
What gives the straight-axle gear it's strength are two crossed
cables..that's all! All those little sheetmetal fittings do an admirable
job on fore and aft forces but they have almost NO sideload strength. I
drew a freebody diagram showing the static forces and concluded that the
side force required to fail the gear is around 1200 pounds. You've gotta
remember that there's a turnbuckle in those cables which might or might not
have a failure strength equal to that of the cables. I intend to test a
representative wheel at these force levels and I'll post the results. Carl
Vought/Huntsville, AL
On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 17:03:47 -0400, Richard Carden <flywrite@erols.com>
wrote :
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard Carden <flywrite@erols.com>
>
> I've read a few anecdotals about claims that spoked motorcycle wheels
> are not designed to take side loads and are sure to collapse if used on
> a Piet/GN-1. Does anyone have any ACTUAL experience (good or bad) with
> motorcycle wheels, or is this simply an old saw handed down from
> builder to builder?
>
> Dick Carden
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
I saw the airplane you're referring to. I thought it was a Piet! It had a
paint job that showed some age and I took satisfaction in that because when
I saw it I said to myself "an airplane does not have to be glossy to be
beautiful." I don't think the paint job I'm planning to put on my Piet will
be very different. That airplane spent a lot of time near the treeline. I'm
sorry we didn't make him feel more welcome...Carl Vought
On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:20:21 -0500, "Dennis Engelkenjohn"
<wingding@usmo.com> wrote :
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dennis Engelkenjohn"
<wingding@usmo.com>
>
>
>
> There was a GN-1 and it was camped at the back side of the airport. It
was yellow and black. I talked with the owner, he was hangered at Cairo,
Illinois (southern tip) and had flown up to Brodhead. He said he sometimes
felt like some Piet people were prejudiced against GN-1's and he was leery
of taking up passengers right now. He has been to Brodhead in the past and
given rides though. Forgot his name, though, damn this old age stuff.
> Dennis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: baileys
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 12:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gn-1s.
>
>
> Dang no one answered your question. I didn't get to go this year, but
I would be surprised if there were no GN-1's at the fly-in.
> Bob B.
> Did anybody on this list go or is there anyone out there???
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: lanny bissell
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 3:56 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: gn-1s.
>
>
> Doc, Any GN-1s at Broadhead? I'm new to the list and Pietenpols in
general, but I wonder why I never see much about the GN-1 which I
understand is a "modern" version of the Piet.
> Howard Bissell
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Malley" <jgmalley@comcast.net>
You asked for actual experience, so here goes: I had put motorcycle wheels
on my Pietenpol in the late 80s. It took off, flew and landed well even in
crosswinds that I know I shouldn't have been in. In the mid 90s, while
trying to land during a rainstorm, I went off the end of a down-sloping
runway. To avoid hitting the upcoming trees, I intentionally ground looped
the plane while still traveling at a pretty high speed, which I estimate to
have been about 25 mph. With the plane moving forward but facing 90 degrees
sideward, the wheels dug into the earth. The stop was quite abrupt, but the
trees were not touched. The holes formed by the wheels were over 12 inches
deep. One wheel bent, one did not. There was no other damage on the side
that had bent; however on the intact side, the metal fittings were ripped
out, an AN bolt sheared and the wood longeron cracked.
While making repairs, I couldn't find a matching replacement wheel so I made
up some hubs; I made them wider hoping for innate strength, but I still view
those original wheels as having been plenty strong. Perhaps they were too
strong: if both wheels had collapsed there may not have been any other
damage.
Jim Malley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Carden" <flywrite@erols.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wire wheels
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard Carden <flywrite@erols.com>
>
> I've read a few anecdotals about claims that spoked motorcycle wheels
> are not designed to take side loads and are sure to collapse if used on
> a Piet/GN-1. Does anyone have any ACTUAL experience (good or bad) with
> motorcycle wheels, or is this simply an old saw handed down from
> builder to builder?
>
> Dick Carden
>
>
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Subject: | Mountain Piet is wounded! |
Pieters,
I can't thank you all enough for your concerns about both "Mountain Piet" and myself.
When I started this project in 1995, I wanted to build a Pietenpol with enough
horsepower at my field elevation (7000 ft msl) that I could fly it safely and
get it in and out of primitive strips here in the Rockies at higher elevations.
In this, I feel that I have succeeded. A Pietenpol is a fine, simple design
that will handle more horsepower even at a higher gross weight and can perform
on a par with even a 180 hp super cub up here in our rarified air.
Your advice to wait a little while before making a decision to sell the bird is
good advice, but I had already decided before the accident to sell the plane.
The project, in my mind anyway, was completed and I had proved my point.
Not only has the project succeeded, but other factors have entered into my decision
to sell the plane. My age for one, I am 77 years old and have been flying
since 1946 (Damn'd, I just realized that is 58 years!). Also entering the decision
to sell, I have found that an open cockpit here in the Rockies at altitude
is darned cold, limiting the use of the plane to only a few months of the
year.
And then there is the family, I had promised to build some new furniture over 10
years ago for my wife and never seemed to get around to it. I have a whole
lot of deferred maintenance to do around the house. Kids and grandkids are urging
granddad to "give it up, you have cheated death enough times in those airplanes".
It just the right time to sell "Mountain Piet" and get to doing some of the other
things that need doing around here, the decision to sell was not precipitated
by the accident.
I have mentioned this accident to participants on the list first because I would
rather the plane go to someone who is knowledgable, enthusiastic, will do a
good job of repair and appreciate the design and it's heritage. I hope you all
will understand this.
Thanks again for your concerns and comments, it is good to feel all the support
that you offer.
John
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Subject: | Re: Fw: Question from eBay Member |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hank,
I will talk about my personal experience. Buy the originals, they
dont cost "that" much, and is like building a plane using good
materials.
What I do is this, I have lots of airplane plans divided in 3 groups:
The ones I just like, The ones I build and The ones that call my
atention in design. I buy myself at least 2 sets of plans a year, one
in my bithday (June) and one for Christmas. Sometime during the year I
buy another one I really like, If I think I have been a good boy :-)
I have built now (with 4 partners) a Volksplane, a KR-1, a Ramsey
Bathtub (that I gave to a friend ready to cover), a Zenith 701 just
finished, a Pouchel (ladder Flying Flea) and helped rebuild two trikes
(delta wing type) one for me and another one for a friend, also a Teman
Monofly and a Falcon XP. In engines and stuf a built 3 VW engine
conversions a 1/2 VW, several propelers, etc. Now I am loooking for a
good core to build a Corvair engine...
I can hardly remember all the plans that I have now, and plan to buy a
set of "Suris Bulle" plans (French wooden Motorglider) that looks like
a great thing, this Christmas.
Of Course I have a set of original Pietenpol and GN-1 plans...
My personal limit is US$ 300.00 a set, but I have made a few excepcions
;-) I am not fan of the fiberglass projects, to much sanding and dust.
Hope you build a Piet.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
--- hjarrett <hjarrett@hroads.net> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "hjarrett"
> <hjarrett@hroads.net>
>
> I thought long and hard about bidding on the plans. The thing is I
> am
> looking for a set as a REFERENCE ONLY. I have several sets of plans
> I have
> gotten as copies and when I was ready to start on a Graham Lee
> Nieuport I
> bought a set of serial numbered plans to make it legal. It is
> extremely
> unethical to build a second plane off of the same plans and deprive
> the
> designer of the meager income they generate. After thinking about it
> I felt
> that buying them would only encourage him to sell additional copies
> and
> didn't bid. Of course I am still in the position that I would really
> like
> to study the plans and don't have access to a set.
> How would I go about getting a set to study and NOT build from? I
> have a
> pant load of projects and don't have time to add another but the
> engineer in
> me really wants to look at how BP solved a bunch of design problems.
> Hank J
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael D Cuy" <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 10:40 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Question from eBay Member
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy
> <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
> >
> > Hey Jim-- what an idiot this guys is.......luckily he's only
> getting about
> > $30 bucks for it with 10 minutes to go. Here is what I just wrote
> to the
> guy
> >
> > Dear mgp60,
> > Having purchased the plans from the Pietenpol family and building
> and
> > flying my own Pietenpol, I was sorry to see that you have copied
> the plans
> > and have them for sale on ebay. The entire Pietenpol e-mail list
> is
> aware
> > of what you are doing and are encouraged not to bid on your item.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Good point
Saludos
Gary Gower
Do not archive.
--- Mike <bike.mike@verizon.net> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike" <bike.mike@verizon.net>
>
> With a sidecar, a motorcycle's wheels are subject to the same axial
> (side)
> loads as automobile wheels.
> There are literally thousands of motorcycles that have run with
> sidecars
> successfully. Some have even raced.
> I don't think that would be the case if no motorcycle wheels could
> take
> axial loads.
>
> Mike Hardaway
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 2:22 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wire wheels
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"
> <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > I don't have any actual data, but it makes sense. If you look at
> automotive
> > wire wheels, or aviation wire wheels (like the Jenny in the EAA
> museum),
> > they invariably have a much wider hub than motorcycle wheels do.
> Having
> > occasionally made less than perfect crosswind landings, I would
> rather err
> > on the side of safety. I made my hubs 6" wide, and adapted them to
> accept
> > Cleveland disc brakes. To each his own.
> >
> > Jack Phillips
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Richard
> > Carden
> > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 5:04 PM
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wire wheels
> >
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard Carden
> <flywrite@erols.com>
> >
> > I've read a few anecdotals about claims that spoked motorcycle
> wheels
> > are not designed to take side loads and are sure to collapse if
> used on
> > a Piet/GN-1. Does anyone have any ACTUAL experience (good or bad)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
This mail is a "keeper", Thanks Mr Malley, great plane of yours, I
still have the photos from the EAA magazines...
Saludos
Gary Gower
Do not archive.
--- Jim Malley <jgmalley@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Malley"
> <jgmalley@comcast.net>
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> You asked for actual experience, so here goes: I had put motorcycle
> wheels
> on my Pietenpol in the late 80s. It took off, flew and landed well
> even in
> crosswinds that I know I shouldn't have been in. In the mid 90s,
> while
> trying to land during a rainstorm, I went off the end of a
> down-sloping
> runway. To avoid hitting the upcoming trees, I intentionally ground
> looped
> the plane while still traveling at a pretty high speed, which I
> estimate to
> have been about 25 mph. With the plane moving forward but facing 90
> degrees
> sideward, the wheels dug into the earth. The stop was quite abrupt,
> but the
> trees were not touched. The holes formed by the wheels were over 12
> inches
> deep. One wheel bent, one did not. There was no other damage on the
> side
> that had bent; however on the intact side, the metal fittings were
> ripped
> out, an AN bolt sheared and the wood longeron cracked.
> While making repairs, I couldn't find a matching replacement wheel so
> I made
> up some hubs; I made them wider hoping for innate strength, but I
> still view
> those original wheels as having been plenty strong. Perhaps they were
> too
> strong: if both wheels had collapsed there may not have been any
> other
> damage.
> Jim Malley
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Carden" <flywrite@erols.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 5:03 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wire wheels
>
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> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard Carden
> <flywrite@erols.com>
> >
> > I've read a few anecdotals about claims that spoked motorcycle
> wheels
> > are not designed to take side loads and are sure to collapse if
> used on
> > a Piet/GN-1. Does anyone have any ACTUAL experience (good or bad)
> with
> > motorcycle wheels, or is this simply an old saw handed down from
> > builder to builder?
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Subject: | Re: Fw: Question from eBay Member |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike Whaley" <MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com>
Good for you, Jim. He can't say "I didn't know..."
There's a guy (ebay alias of "Uncle Willie") that's doing this on a
wholesale basis (and making a fortune at it) with model airplane plans. Even
worse than copying other's plans, he "fixes" them. Apparently, eBay really
doesn't care to take action on wholesale copyright fraud taking place on
it's site, especially if the original copyright owner isn't making the
complaint.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=155971&highlight=w
illie
Not all future Piet builders would go for this, fortunately. Heck, I have a
copied set of plans that a Piet-building friend gave me. I couldn't afford
to buy the real ones, so I got them as a head start to look over while I
dream about my future project. Yet even though I probably could build from
them, I won't do it, nor will I give them to someone else. When I get ready
to start, I will buy a new set from the Pietenpol family. Not only will I be
sure to have all the right plans, but I can rest at night knowing that I've
helped make it worthwhile to Bernie's family to go to the trouble to
continue the fine tradition that he gave to us all. They aren't getting rich
on the plans, I'm 100% sure of that. Then the copies will make functional
wallpaper for the shop bathroom or something.
Shame on these people. It's sad that they have no respect for those who make
this airplane a viable option. Fortunately they're the exception and not the
rule.
-Mike
Mike Whaley merlin@ov-10bronco.net
Webmaster, OV-10 Bronco Association
http://www.ov-10bronco.net/
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Subject: [piet] Pietenpol-List: Fw: Question from eBay Member
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle"
<jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
> If anyone knows of anyone thinking about buying the Piet plans advertised
on
> eBay.....please don't....without EVEN discussing the legalities, it's just
> not right to make copies of these plans and sell them.....just ain't
> right....
>
> I usually manage to stay out of stuff that isn't any of my concern but I
> just couldn't keep quiet about this one....
>
> This is the reply I got to an inquiry about where he was getting the
> plans.....
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mackpaul60@hotmail.com>
> To: <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 3:36 PM
> Subject: Question from eBay Member
>
>
> Dear dfwplt,
>
> All the Pientepol plans I have for sale are copies of the originals. Hope
> this helps.
>
>
> To respond to this eBay member go to:
>
>
http://contact.ebay.com/ws1/ebayISAPI.dll?ReturnUserEmail&requested=mgp60&fr
m=-1&iid=-1&de=off&redirect=0&contactsubmit=Contact+Member
>
> Thank you,
> mgp60
>
>
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Subject: | Re: solar charger |
Dont expect too much from a small solar charger. On most of these smaller units
you won't get more than a trickle charge, maybe 1/4 amp per hour at about 18
volts. Not enough to fry a battery but enough to replace what a handheld radio
would use. How many trips away from home will you fly? And for how many flight
hours, with what size battery? If the current draw for the round trip is
less than 1/2 the capacity, why bother? On the other hand, the worst possible
thing will always happen at the worst possible time, so if you have the space,
why not?
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 1:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: solar charger
Hey guys,
I saw Chuck Ganzer's solar panel he uses to charge a small battery which in turn
powers his GPS, radio etc.
I thought this was a great idea but am not electrically minded enough to figure
it out.
I can get a small solar panel and install it in my top wing. Then some wiring
to a small battery, which goes back to some plugs for my intercom and gps etc.
My question is what is the voltage we need? will these items run off a 12v battery?
I can get a nice small 1lb 12v. Also, how do you keep it from overcharging
without much weight? or do you just have a disconnect switch when the battery
is full?
This would clearly be for when one is away from home, but it's clean and always
ready.
Any electric experts out there?
thanks,
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! |
John,
It hurt to look at the picture of your wounded Piet but we are all thankful you
were not wounded. I met you at Brodhead and I appreciate you taking time to answer
several questions I had about your plane. It is certainly a beautiful Piet.
Based on the outstanding workmanship of your Piet the furniture you build
for your wife should be strictly "blue ribbon" quality. Stay in touch with us
and send us a picture of the completed furniture.
Lynn Knoll
Wichita
Piet/Vair in the works
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Subject: | Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! |
John, glad you're OK. Mountain Piet will be too, someday.
Are you building the furniture as a Light Sport Sofa to hold two people at a time?
<G>
Mike Whaley merlin@ov-10bronco.net
Webmaster, OV-10 Bronco Association
http://www.ov-10bronco.net/
----- Original Message -----
From: John Dilatush
To: Pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:16 PM
Subject: [piet] Pietenpol-List: Mountain Piet is wounded!
Pieters,
I can't thank you all enough for your concerns about both "Mountain Piet" and
myself.
When I started this project in 1995, I wanted to build a Pietenpol with enough
horsepower at my field elevation (7000 ft msl) that I could fly it safely and
get it in and out of primitive strips here in the Rockies at higher elevations.
In this, I feel that I have succeeded. A Pietenpol is a fine, simple design
that will handle more horsepower even at a higher gross weight and can perform
on a par with even a 180 hp super cub up here in our rarified air.
Your advice to wait a little while before making a decision to sell the bird
is good advice, but I had already decided before the accident to sell the plane.
The project, in my mind anyway, was completed and I had proved my point.
Not only has the project succeeded, but other factors have entered into my decision
to sell the plane. My age for one, I am 77 years old and have been flying
since 1946 (Damn'd, I just realized that is 58 years!). Also entering the
decision to sell, I have found that an open cockpit here in the Rockies at altitude
is darned cold, limiting the use of the plane to only a few months of the
year.
And then there is the family, I had promised to build some new furniture over
10 years ago for my wife and never seemed to get around to it. I have a whole
lot of deferred maintenance to do around the house. Kids and grandkids are
urging granddad to "give it up, you have cheated death enough times in those airplanes".
It just the right time to sell "Mountain Piet" and get to doing some of the
other things that need doing around here, the decision to sell was not precipitated
by the accident.
I have mentioned this accident to participants on the list first because I would
rather the plane go to someone who is knowledgable, enthusiastic, will do
a good job of repair and appreciate the design and it's heritage. I hope you
all will understand this.
Thanks again for your concerns and comments, it is good to feel all the support
that you offer.
John
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Subject: | More hangar space |
John,
I have a very nice heated hangar about 60 north of the IA-MN border right on Interstate
35 in Faribault, MN that you are welcome to use for any repair work to
Mountain Piet and it is free. The airplane could always be fetched for you.
Chris Bobka
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Subject: | Re: hinged / removable turtledeck |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.net" <tmbrant1@netzero.net>
Dick,
Is yours 1/16"th ply over the t.d.? I'd like to take a closer look at how you
did that if you wouldn't mind.
Tom B.
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Subject: | Re: Mountain Piet is wounded! |
I just checked some of the 877 e-mails I have, and saw the misfortune that
John had. Thank God, it didn't turn out any worse.
John, one of the things I've discovered is that there are lots of folks, not
just in the Pietenpol comunity, but airplane people in general, who are ready,
willing, and able to help you. Even anxious to help. Airplane people are
the greatest !! I hope you kick back and think about it for a while, before
you sell 'Mountain Piet'.
Chuck Gantzer
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