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1. 05:29 AM - Re: Forward CG limit ()
2. 06:44 AM - Re: Data Plate Location (Jack Phillips)
3. 07:19 AM - Re: Data Plate Location (walt evans)
4. 07:49 AM - Re: Data Plate Location (Gene Rambo)
5. 07:54 AM - Re: Forward CG limit (Cory Emberson)
6. 09:32 AM - Re: Data Plate Location ()
7. 09:56 AM - Re: Data Plate Location (Christian Bobka)
8. 11:18 AM - Chuck Gantzer is off again (Isablcorky@aol.com)
9. 02:03 PM - Re: Forward CG limit (Richard Navratil)
10. 02:09 PM - Re: Data Plate Location (Richard Navratil)
11. 02:46 PM - anyone live near South Bend, IN / Edwardsburg, MI ?? (DJ Vegh)
12. 03:16 PM - Re: Chuck Gantzer is off again (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
13. 03:34 PM - Re: Chuck Gantzer is off again (Isablcorky@aol.com)
14. 06:44 PM - Solar Power and Turbine/Battery Charger schematic (Don Morris)
15. 07:13 PM - (javcr@prodigy.net.mx)
16. 07:34 PM - Re: Chuck Gantzer is off again (Isablcorky@aol.com)
17. 08:11 PM - Re: Chuck Gantzer is off again (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
18. 08:53 PM - Re: Chuck Gantzer is off again (Isablcorky@aol.com)
19. 08:57 PM - Re: Vacuum Bagging (Mike Whaley)
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Subject: | Re: Forward CG limit |
It was actually in the July issue. Thank you, Cory, for writing that up. Dale and
I have received lots of good feedback from that.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Cory Emberson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 10:35 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Forward CG limit
It's the June issue, which is a few issues old. It's the Builder's Report that's
bannered across the top of the cover.
It's a *beautiful* panel!
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of BARNSTMR@aol.com
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 8:32 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Forward CG limit
What issue of Kitplanes??? I'll need to look for that!
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Subject: | Data Plate Location |
That's where I'm going to put mine, Greg. The regs say something about
"between the cockpit and the tail of the aircraft". I don't like the idea
of gluing it to the fabric.
Jack Phillips
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
gcardinal@mn.rr.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Data Plate Location
I need some info on acceptable locations for the aircraft dataplate.
FAR 45 indicates it needs to go on the exterior of the aircraft near the
tail surfaces yet I've seen many with the dataplate in the cockpit.
What has been an acceptable location for the inspectors?
My preference is to mount it on the glovebox door.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
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Subject: | Re: Data Plate Location |
Greg,
I put mine on the rear seat back, near the top where it steps back for the turtleback
and helmet box. The DAR looked at it without comment.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: gcardinal@mn.rr.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 10:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Data Plate Location
I need some info on acceptable locations for the aircraft dataplate.
FAR 45 indicates it needs to go on the exterior of the aircraft near the tail
surfaces yet I've seen many with the dataplate in the cockpit.
What has been an acceptable location for the inspectors?
My preference is to mount it on the glovebox door.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
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Subject: | Re: Data Plate Location |
the data plate only has to go on the outside if it is not otherwise visible from
the outside. The baggage door on an open cockpit is entirely proper.
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From: walt evans
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Data Plate Location
Greg,
I put mine on the rear seat back, near the top where it steps back for the turtleback
and helmet box. The DAR looked at it without comment.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: gcardinal@mn.rr.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 10:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Data Plate Location
I need some info on acceptable locations for the aircraft dataplate.
FAR 45 indicates it needs to go on the exterior of the aircraft near the tail
surfaces yet I've seen many with the dataplate in the cockpit.
What has been an acceptable location for the inspectors?
My preference is to mount it on the glovebox door.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
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Subject: | Forward CG limit |
Oh, you're right - July was interiors and exteriors. I saw "Panels" and
thought "Greg's Piet." Glad you and Dale received good reviews! :-)
best, Cory
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
gcardinal@mn.rr.com
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 5:29 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Forward CG limit
It was actually in the July issue. Thank you, Cory, for writing that up.
Dale and I have received lots of good feedback from that.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Cory Emberson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 10:35 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Forward CG limit
It's the June issue, which is a few issues old. It's the Builder's
Report that's bannered across the top of the cover.
It's a *beautiful* panel!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
BARNSTMR@aol.com
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 8:32 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Forward CG limit
What issue of Kitplanes??? I'll need to look for that!
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Subject: | Re: Data Plate Location |
The baggage compartment door appears to be a widely accepted location. That is
where it will go. If Mr. Inspector needs it elsewhere we'll deal with it at that
time.
Dick Navratil, do you have contact info for Mr. Norris? How much lead time does
he need to schedule an inspection?
Thanks, Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: gcardinal@mn.rr.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 9:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Data Plate Location
I need some info on acceptable locations for the aircraft dataplate.
FAR 45 indicates it needs to go on the exterior of the aircraft near the tail
surfaces yet I've seen many with the dataplate in the cockpit.
What has been an acceptable location for the inspectors?
My preference is to mount it on the glovebox door.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
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Subject: | Re: Data Plate Location |
Dick is in montana as of this morning.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: gcardinal@mn.rr.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Data Plate Location
The baggage compartment door appears to be a widely accepted location. That is
where it will go. If Mr. Inspector needs it elsewhere we'll deal with it at
that time.
Dick Navratil, do you have contact info for Mr. Norris? How much lead time does
he need to schedule an inspection?
Thanks, Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: gcardinal@mn.rr.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 9:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Data Plate Location
I need some info on acceptable locations for the aircraft dataplate.
FAR 45 indicates it needs to go on the exterior of the aircraft near the tail
surfaces yet I've seen many with the dataplate in the cockpit.
What has been an acceptable location for the inspectors?
My preference is to mount it on the glovebox door.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
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Subject: | Chuck Gantzer is off again |
Pieters and interested,
Chuck called at 1240 CDT from Fairfield, Ohio. Sounded happy. Was proud he
had given 13 rides while in West Va. Had two newspaper stories published and
another is expected in tomorrow's paper. Said he has met many Pieters not on the
list which he will announce once at home. He did begin his flight home BEFORE
noon Terry. He admits that he is not a morning person. Plans another stop
today at Wright Bros Dayton so he can tour the museum there and if he has enough
time he will stretch daylight into some small sod field in Indiana or sleep in
his bag in Dayton. He will try to get to St Louis tomorrow. Jon I told him to
call you in event you want him on TV. He would make a better story than what
we're getting on all those news channels these days.
Corky, Chuck's Ass't Operations NCO
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Subject: | Re: Forward CG limit |
It is Stainless steel and has to have the serial #,Name of Builder,and Model.
Under the horiz stab there is an area where there is a ply gusset that re enforces
the tail post. I screwed it into that.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Christian Bobka
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Forward CG limit
Dick,
I thought the instrument panel location for the data plate would not fly with
Mr. Norris.
What did your plate by the tail say on it? What is it attached to? What is
it made of?
Chris
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From: Richard Navratil
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Forward CG limit
Hi Greg
On both of your questions;
15 inches is the most forward CG
For my inspection I put mine on the panel of the forward cockpit, citing the
rule on antique models. That didnt get by with the inspector. I had to mount
a second one on the left side under the horiz stab.
Would you like a copy of the Piet operations manual? The inspector seemed
to like it. I posted it to the Matronics pic file.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: gcardinal@mn.rr.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 9:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Forward CG limit
I know the aft most CG location is 20" aft of the wing LE. That info is on
the plans. What about the recommended maximum forward CG location? I don't see
it on the plans and can't recall any discussions about it.
I'm getting all of the paperwork together for the final inspection and this
bit of info is needed.
Thanks,
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
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Subject: | Re: Data Plate Location |
We actually were delayed in leaving. Will be gone in the next hour after this
last check of messages.
Joe Norris can be reached at the EAA headquarters. Sorry I dont have his direct
number. I scheduled with him a few weeks in advance.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Christian Bobka
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Data Plate Location
Dick is in montana as of this morning.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: gcardinal@mn.rr.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Data Plate Location
The baggage compartment door appears to be a widely accepted location. That
is where it will go. If Mr. Inspector needs it elsewhere we'll deal with it at
that time.
Dick Navratil, do you have contact info for Mr. Norris? How much lead time
does he need to schedule an inspection?
Thanks, Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: gcardinal@mn.rr.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 9:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Data Plate Location
I need some info on acceptable locations for the aircraft dataplate.
FAR 45 indicates it needs to go on the exterior of the aircraft near the
tail surfaces yet I've seen many with the dataplate in the cockpit.
What has been an acceptable location for the inspectors?
My preference is to mount it on the glovebox door.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
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Subject: | anyone live near South Bend, IN / Edwardsburg, MI ?? |
if so please contact me off list.
djv@imagedv.com
Thanks!
DJ V.
N74DV
Mesa, AZ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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Subject: | Re: Chuck Gantzer is off again |
Do you have Chucks time of arrival at Creve Coeur airport and what is his cell
number? I live about 5 miles from Creve Coeur airport and would like to meet him
there.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 1:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Chuck Gantzer is off again
Pieters and interested,
Chuck called at 1240 CDT from Fairfield, Ohio. Sounded happy. Was proud he had
given 13 rides while in West Va. Had two newspaper stories published and another
is expected in tomorrow's paper. Said he has met many Pieters not on the
list which he will announce once at home. He did begin his flight home BEFORE
noon Terry. He admits that he is not a morning person. Plans another stop today
at Wright Bros Dayton so he can tour the museum there and if he has enough time
he will stretch daylight into some small sod field in Indiana or sleep in
his bag in Dayton. He will try to get to St Louis tomorrow. Jon I told him to
call you in event you want him on TV. He would make a better story than what we're
getting on all those news channels these days.
Corky, Chuck's Ass't Operations NCO
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Subject: | Re: Chuck Gantzer is off again |
Dennis,
Chuck has ceased to use his cell phone as it's too expensive. He bought
himself a calling card at Wallies and makes all his calls from pay phones. I can't
seem to find his cell number.
Chuck's operations shack`
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Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax)
Subject: | Solar Power and Turbine/Battery Charger schematic |
Hi.
Took the time to draw up the "voltage regulator" we mentioned for a
small wind turbine. The NPN transistor must be capable of enough power
dissipation not to blow it out (amps times volts). It basically serves
as a reverse current cutout, taking the turbine off line when its
voltage is not higher than the battery (although if you left it run, you
might add .0001 hp to your piet, and shorten the takeoff roll by a
fraction of a cm *grin*). I personally wouldn't bother with a zener
diode overprotector, but it wouldn't hurt. Set it to about 16 to 18
volts (and remember that it has to be able to handle the power from the
entire unit). You may have to decrease the values of the resistors -
they should be as high as possible with the unit still functioning. I
would definitely use a capacitor for noise suppression, as a little
hobby motor is bound to give a pretty rough output. Make it as big as
practical - perhaps 1000uF. Radio Shack transistors might not be big
enough - I haven't checked what they have on the high power end. I
would look at www.jameco.com for parts.
BTW, if I remember the figures correctly, the full sun has about 300
Watts per square meter of intensity after it filters through the air
(out in space, it is more than triple that). The best of solar cells
are around 15% efficient - and the cheap ones struggle to get 10% That
puts us down to 30 watts per square meter. Since you won't be doing a
square meter - your cell will be more like 10 cm by 25 cm (just guessing
- I saw Chuck's system) - that is 2.5% of a square meter - that is .75
watt. At 12 volts, that is .06 amps. A small generator could easily
produce a half amp - or 6 watts.
On the other hand, the solar cell charges whenever you are outside. The
turbine charges only on the go. The solar cell cost $20 (harborfreight
- that is where Chuck got his). The power schematic I have drawn will
probably cost you around $10 to build, depending on your scrounging
ability, and will be quite a bit of trouble to work all the bugs out of.
The long and short of it all is, do what you want to do. Ground
charging your battery is the most practical. After that, I would
probably tip my hat to the solar panel. But, a turbine would be very
cool - and work better on long flights.
-Don
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John
Glad you're OK.
I know that you want to sell the plane, but I think that you can wait
some time, maybe with a little time and your excellent workmanship, the
Mountain Piet will be flying soon, and if you still want to sell it you
can get more money that if you sell it now=85
Javier Cruz
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Subject: | Re: Chuck Gantzer is off again |
Dennis,
Found Chuck's cell phone address. 316 253 7832. There must not have been a
pay phone at the airport from where he called today as he used his cell phone.
If you will give me your phone I'll give it to Chuck when and if he calls
tomorrow.
Operations nco
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Subject: | Re: Chuck Gantzer is off again |
My number is (314) 776-1092. Did Chuck give any indication of when he thought he
would arrive? I would like to surprise him and be on the field waiting for him
to land. It would probably be sometime in the afternoon since he doesn't arise
early. Sounds like one of my kids. : )
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Chuck Gantzer is off again
Dennis,
Found Chuck's cell phone address. 316 253 7832. There must not have been a pay
phone at the airport from where he called today as he used his cell phone.
If you will give me your phone I'll give it to Chuck when and if he calls tomorrow.
Operations nco
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Subject: | Re: Chuck Gantzer is off again |
Dennis,
Since meeting Chuck I've noticed he is reluctant to give an ETA . I think one
reason is he might find a place he likes and decide to stay longer and meet
more people. Chuck loves people.
Operations NCO
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Subject: | Re: Vacuum Bagging |
That's exactly how we laminate wing spars for Skybolts and Pitts' at work - a high-stress
application if there ever was one. We use FPL-16A, and splice pieces
to create pieces for the layers as needed (I think it's a 1:20 slope on the
splice and you always stagger the splices, of course.) Laminated spar test samples
come out at least 25% stronger than a single piece of Sitka Spruce (some
samples make it to 50% stronger), with little to no weight gain, and when they
fail, they do so in stages where you have nearly the same strength after the
first layer breaks as the single-piece spar has. (The FAA says a laminated piece
is AS strong as a single piece, not stronger, so build to that standard - but
rest assured that a proper lamination job will generally add a significant
increase in strength.) Laminated pieces generally won't warp, either. We don't
recommend routed spars at all anymore, nor do we reduce the size of the spars
when we do laminations.
My Piet will probably have laminated spars. Not that I'll be pulling Gs like the
Skybolt and Pitts guys do!
-Mike
Mike Whaley merlin@ov-10bronco.net
Webmaster, OV-10 Bronco Association
http://www.ov-10bronco.net/
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Markle
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 9:41 PM
Subject: [piet] Pietenpol-List: Vacuum Bagging
I just gotta share this....I'm doing ash pieces for the straight axle landing
gear....Didn't have a 1 1/4" piece so I'm laminating two 3/4" pieces and will
plane that down to size.
Just realized I haven't done any vacuum bagging in over 10 years and now I remember
why I did in the first place! Perfect pressure all around....NO clamps!
Sometime in the near future I'll do a quick article with pictures explaining
the simple and cheap process.
Jim in Plano.....
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