Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Mon 08/09/04


Total Messages Posted: 25



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     1. 02:41 AM - Re:Sport Pilots Liscence (Borodent@aol.com)
     2. 06:23 AM - Re: SHIRT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER (KTS5TA6@wmconnect.com)
     3. 07:00 AM - Re: hidden agenda (baileys)
     4. 07:37 AM - More Brodhead pix (Hodgson, Mark O)
     5. 08:04 AM - Re: hidden agenda (Michael D Cuy)
     6. 08:49 AM - data plates (Oscar Zuniga)
     7. 10:56 AM - Chuck Gantzer Tour America (Isablcorky@aol.com)
     8. 12:53 PM - Re: hidden agenda (James Dallas)
     9. 01:16 PM - Re: SHIRT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER (Phil Phillips)
    10. 02:07 PM - Hidden Agenda ()
    11. 02:23 PM - Light Sport Aircraft (Oscar Zuniga)
    12. 02:53 PM - Re: SHIRT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER (Carl D. Vought)
    13. 03:20 PM - Re: Light Sport Aircraft (Christian Bobka)
    14. 03:21 PM - Re: SHIRT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER (Christian Bobka)
    15. 03:22 PM - Re: Light Sport Aircraft (Ed Grentzer)
    16. 03:28 PM - pre-installation fuel tank rinsing (Douwe Blumberg)
    17. 03:28 PM - Re: Hidden Agenda (Isablcorky@aol.com)
    18. 05:42 PM - Re: pre-installation fuel tank rinsing (Christian Bobka)
    19. 05:44 PM - Re: Hidden Agenda (Christian Bobka)
    20. 05:46 PM - Re: Light Sport Aircraft (Christian Bobka)
    21. 07:23 PM - Creeve Coeur (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
    22. 07:44 PM - Re: Hidden Agenda (James Dallas)
    23. 08:10 PM - Re: Hidden Agenda (Isablcorky@aol.com)
    24. 08:25 PM - Re: Creeve Coeur (Christian Bobka)
    25. 08:27 PM - Re: Hidden Agenda (Christian Bobka)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:41:33 AM PST US
    From: Borodent@aol.com
    Subject: Re:Sport Pilots Liscence
    I dont know about the rest of you, I know Corkey was anxious to get the sport pilot program through, but re my medical it does absolutely nothing for me. Just another door slamed in my face - though ( like a carrot ) they're talking about some future FAA resolution of denied medicals. Henry Williams -


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    Time: 06:23:22 AM PST US
    From: KTS5TA6@wmconnect.com
    Subject: Re: SHIRT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER
    Phil: Sorry for the delay. My mom passed away day before yesterday and I'm busy getting things ready for an out of town funeral. In my state of disorganization at the moment, it would help my over-loaded brain if you mail your check with a note about both shirts and the size. I know I'll have the large size available for you when I get home. Do you know where Kennewick, WA is? My mom's sister is traveling from Kennewick to Fort Stockton, TX for the funeral. It seems like it is always a pain getting on a commercial flight from Kennewick to this part of the world. Sterling Brooks Knot-2-Shabby Airport 9725 SH 153 WInters, TX 79567


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    Time: 07:00:36 AM PST US
    From: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net>
    Subject: Re: hidden agenda
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net> Dear List members, The spirit among Pietenpol builders is great as is the "comrade-in-arms" feeling one gets from the group. But there are other "low and slow" aircraft that have their groups as well. i.e. Flybaby, GN-1, Volksplanes and others. Also IMHO part of this expresses an underlying dissatisfaction with the big (you know who) experimental aviation group that has all but abandoned it's humble roots. Anyway the newest group I have seen is the "Poverty Pilots Association" for those that can't afford an airplane but build one anyway. The dues have recently been increased from $0.00 to $00.00 It started with the VP group but they have now widened it to include any low and slow type builder that fits the poverty category. The do have there own website up and it is worth a chuckle http://www.vppa.biz/ It is kind of slow to load so you will have to wait a bit to see it. Anyway wouldn't it be great to have a group for builders that are doing their best to build some type all inclusive grass roots group for the plans builder?? Maybe something that fits the new Sport Plane Category that is not a kit? If you want to see how big that "other group" is here is a satellite photo you of their flyin. It is big, over 43 meg so it takes a while to download but it is amazing. http://www.airventure.org/2004/gallery/images/073104_satellite.jpg Kind regards, Bob B. Pietenpol List Brethern- I didn't get to be at the big bash at Tick Hill and I only briefly saw Doc Mosher at Brodhead (didn't notice the T-shirt) so I may be a bit off in my assessment of the whole situation, but here's what I seem to be seeing as a trend. I fear that there is a hidden agenda within the group perpetrated by a secret few! Perhaps by exposing the plot, we can stay united and move forward once more without fearing for our rights! I speak of course, of the fledgling T.A.C.O. (Texas Air Camper Organization) group. Merely by it's name there is a taint of snobbery and elitism because of the "Pietenpol only" slant! Are they willing to accept other airplanes in their organization? Should there be another group dubbed T.O.G.A. (Texas Organization of Grega Aircampers)? Should the name be changed to accept multi-cultural builders? Perhaps something along the lines of T.A.L.L. (Texas All Lightplane Lovers). Come to think of it, why is it restricted to Texas?? Now, about that B.Y.O.P. (Build your Own Pietenpol) T-Shirt. Do you see a close parallel here? Seems to me that it's exclusionary to all but the Pietenpol elitists. Man, these guys are sneaky. I believe that even though there are two different groups at work here, there is enough harmony in purpose that there must certainly be a link. Don't you all see the wedge that is beginning to divide us from each other? Are you all blind to the calamity that this slippery slope represents? Brothers, beware!!! If you are building or flying a GN-1 and want to call it a Pietenpol, don't let these menaces steamroll over your rights. Shoot....... If you want to build a Lancair and call it a Pietenpol, who are these snobs to stop you. It's a free country and we can label things any way we want ( in the words of a former U.S. President :it depends on what "is" is). I think a good, level playing field may be realized in the future if we had an organization with an acronym like B.R.A.T. (Build Right And Prosper) or Y.S.O.P.M.M.P. (Your Sense Of Propriety Makes Me Puke) or something else that would let us do whatever we want to do without being bound by tradition or history. T.A.C.O. indeed! Larry ps. I'm still waiting for my I.D. and T-Shirt


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    Time: 07:37:27 AM PST US
    Subject: More Brodhead pix
    From: "Hodgson, Mark O" <mhodgson@bu.edu>
    0.0 LOTS_OF_STUFF BODY: Thousands or millions of pictures, movies, etc. --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" <mhodgson@bu.edu> Hi Folks, Well, they didn't go in without a hitch but there are some more Brodhead 2004 pix on photoshare. Unfortunately, they are listed under "Kolb-List, Ultralight-List" and a couple of captions are concatinated on themselves. I also didn't know that the pictures are listed in alphabetical order of their file names, rather than in the order they were posted. I took many more this year and last of specific Piets, but I will be putting those on my own website in a Piet gallery, which I will list when it's ready. Nothing like doing a couple steep turns in a Piet, getting the feel of the rudder and the view of the farmland below, to increase a builder's motivation! http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/mhodgson@bu.edu.08.07.2004/ Mark Hodgson P.S. For those who weren't there, the "Corvair" engine reference regards William Wynne's Zenvair, after it took off to Oshkosh--150 not-too-shabby mph.


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    Time: 08:04:29 AM PST US
    From: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
    Subject: Re: hidden agenda
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov> Larry-- what are you smoking ? Mike C. do not archive


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    Time: 08:49:44 AM PST US
    From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: data plates
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com> Howdy, folks; As I mentioned in an earlier post, the brass data plates that I have for sale are NOT intended to provide compliance with the FARs... they are strictly for looks and are to be installed in a conspicuous location such as the front cockpit. There is a nice photo of a completed, punched data plate on the AV/Grafix website, at http://www.avgrafix.com/images/peitplac.jpg (and yes, Dennis misspelled "Piet" there). Complete info on ordering and availability is on my website, at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/dataplate.html Still only $10 and I have plenty available. Email me directly... not to the list. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 10:56:55 AM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Chuck Gantzer Tour America
    Pieters and interested, At 1230 CDT Chuck called from Sullivan County airport in Indiana. He finally got away from all those girls at 1730 only after he promised to return next year. A 1 hr flight to Sullivan was all he had time for yesterday. He said he most enjoyed assisting the boarding and unboarding of his female passengers. He particularly noticed they all had nice shapely legs amongst other things. He sure liked Franklin. The FBO at Sullivan furnished him a car where he stayed in a hotel. Says he scrubbed 3 days crude and slept like a baby. He was planning to leave by 1300 until I asked if he had a good supply of baby oil so he could really do a good job of smoking St Louis. He then remembered he had to go to Walley's for a supply so who knows when he will leave on his leg to Litchfield, Ill where he plans to call Dennis and FAA permission to get to Creve Ceour where he plans to overnight. They will probably alert the Mo Air Guard when he begins his smoke runs over St Louis. Watch your evening news, Chuck may be featured Chuck's operations nco


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    Time: 12:53:38 PM PST US
    From: "James Dallas" <bec176@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: hidden agenda
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "James Dallas" <bec176@msn.com> Carefull.......I brought up my dislikes about this group a couple of years back and was extemely chastized by some who see no wrong with the Expensive Aircraft Association. Jim Dallas Pietenpol in Progess Hatz in Progress >From: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net> >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hidden agenda >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:00:20 -0500 > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net> > >Dear List members, >The spirit among Pietenpol builders is great as is the "comrade-in-arms" >feeling one gets from the group. But there are other "low and slow" >aircraft that have their groups as well. i.e. Flybaby, GN-1, Volksplanes >and others. Also IMHO part of this expresses an underlying dissatisfaction >with the big (you know who) experimental aviation group that has all but >abandoned it's humble roots. <SNIP> >


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    Time: 01:16:15 PM PST US
    From: "Phil Phillips" <pphillips@kalama.com>
    Subject: Re: SHIRT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER
    I'm sorry to hear of a tough loss in, your family. I will get a check in the mail to you tomorrow. Kennewick is across the mountains from me, about a four hour drive. My daughters have probably played over a hundred softball games in the Kennewick area. Phil Phillips ----- Original Message ----- From: KTS5TA6@wmconnect.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 6:22 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SHIRT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER Phil: Sorry for the delay. My mom passed away day before yesterday and I'm busy getting things ready for an out of town funeral. In my state of disorganization at the moment, it would help my over-loaded brain if you mail your check with a note about both shirts and the size. I know I'll have the large size available for you when I get home. Do you know where Kennewick, WA is? My mom's sister is traveling from Kennewick to Fort Stockton, TX for the funeral. It seems like it is always a pain getting on a commercial flight from Kennewick to this part of the world. Sterling Brooks Knot-2-Shabby Airport 9725 SH 153 WInters, TX 79567


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    Time: 02:07:09 PM PST US
    d="scan'208"; a="183428435:sNHT12203126"
    From: <lebrandt@charter.net>
    Subject: Hidden Agenda
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <lebrandt@charter.net> I guess I don't see the hidden agenda. I just returned from nine days in Oshkosh and could have stayed a lot more. I think EAA is trying to cover most of the bases. What about Sport Pilot? Just because you may have already lost your medical and can't get a SP license without jumping through a lot of medical hoops is probably disappointing to some especially those of you who are in that very situation. But that change was made at the FAA. Can you imagine flying with someone who may have another medical emergency at any time. I don't want to be with them or near their flight path. Let's prove that we are worthy of the license rather than all being grand fathered in with a valid drivers license. My mother has one too but I sure as heck don't want to ride with her. You have to agree that Sport Pilot will make flying a lot easier for the masses. Those with fat ultralights or a light Cub, Champ, or T-craft or a homebuilt that fits the criteria. If you think EAA has missed the boat for grass roots aviation in their publications, then you are reading the wrong one. Take a look at Sport Pilot that used to be Experimenter magazine. There is gobs of great grassroots flying in there. Just my 2 cents Leroy B


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    Time: 02:23:46 PM PST US
    From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Light Sport Aircraft
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com> Very interesting list of airplanes that supposedly comply with the new rule. Interesting in that the manufacturer (or someone) has to demonstrate that the aircraft complies with the rule requirements, not just states it in a fact sheet or sales flyer. I wonder if the Pietenpol family applied for approval and demonstrated compliance somehow? And how did St. Croix make it? I have heard that St. Croix's "Air Camper" is merely a copy of the Flying & Glider Manual plans or something like that. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 02:53:35 PM PST US
    From: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
    Subject: Re: SHIRT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net> Sterling...When you posted the other day that you were making plans for a funeral, I guessed it was your mom. I know you're saddeded to see her go and I know she struggled with brain cancer and the associated treatments for a long time. It doesn't seem to matter that you expected the eventual outcome, it's still a rough experience. How's your dad coping with this? I'm sure none of us can really appreciate his pain. Hang in there. Your friends are thinking about you...Carl Vought On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:22:45 EDT, KTS5TA6@wmconnect.com wrote : > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: KTS5TA6@wmconnect.com > > > > Phil: > > Sorry for the delay. My mom passed away day before yesterday and I'm busy > getting things ready for an out of town funeral. In my state of disorganization > at the moment, it would help my over-loaded brain if you mail your check with a > note about both shirts and the size. I know I'll have the large size > available for you when I get home. > > Do you know where Kennewick, WA is? My mom's sister is traveling from > Kennewick to Fort Stockton, TX for the funeral. It seems like it is always a pain > getting on a commercial flight from Kennewick to this part of the world. > > Sterling Brooks > Knot-2-Shabby Airport > 9725 SH 153 > WInters, TX 79567 > >


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    Time: 03:20:30 PM PST US
    d="scan'208"; a="183574299:sNHT16140254"
    From: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
    "Gary Steadman" <gary.steadman@flitzer-aero.com>
    Subject: Re: Light Sport Aircraft
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net> Oscar, All that compliance stuff is for the manufactured Light Sport Aircraft (LSA). It permutates the final rule to such an extent that one wonders if the FAA is fixated on the manufacturing end of it and forgot about the rest. LSA won't affect us homebuilders at all but will allow certain folks to fly certain homebuilts that they would not otherwise have been able to. There are three types of LSAs: 1) Regular airplanes like the Cub and the Taylorcraft that meet the definition of the LSA but need to be maintained as they have in the past with an annual inspection done by an IA, etc. You coule fly these with a Sport Pilot ticket with an endorsement for the category and class (like land airplane with tailwheel). It is easy to figure out which ships meet the LSA requirements by looking a the type certificate data sheet for the make and model in question. 2) Yet to be MANUFACTURED LSAs that will be built under the yet to be adopted consensus standards. With these, a special type of mechanic and inspector rating will be required for maintaining and doing the annual inspections on these. Sounds awful but it might be a five day class and you have an A & P for LSAs and meet some other requiresments and more school time and you have an IA for LSAs. The manufacturer of these aircraft will verify and mandate compliance through procedures and limitations in the yet to be adopted consensus standards that the aircraft will meet the LSA definition. 3) Homebuilts that are certified under the Experimental Amateur Built existing regulations that meet the performance limitations as stipulated in the LSA final rule as to speed, power, etc. will qualify as an LSA and will be able to be flown by Sport Pilots during the day, etc. that have the appropriate category and class endorsements in their logbooks. As for exceeding the performance maximum limits for LSAs, WHO IS TO KNOW THE TRUE PERFORMANCE IF YOU ARE THE ONLY GUY TO FLY THE SHIP? You can write stuff into your limitations during your flyoff period and then routinely go a little or a lot beyond them. A little static leak in the airspeed hookup will take care of the top cruise speed maximum. Besides, you can just put a placard in that says MAX CRUISE SPEED is XXX KNOTS with whatever the number is. That does not mean you will go beyond it when you are flying. You won't be able to fudge weight or number of seats but I see lots of room in the other areas, hee, hee. Just make sure you use the max limits as allowed in the LSA final rule when you do the paperwork for your ship. Maintenance of the Experimental Amateur Built will continue to be done as it always has with the builder eligible for the Repairman's Certificate which would thne allow him e to do the Annual Condition Inspection, etc. I have hacked half way through the final rule's 452 pages. Thanks for reminding me to read the rest. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Light Sport Aircraft > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com> > > Very interesting list of airplanes that supposedly comply with the new rule. > Interesting in that the manufacturer (or someone) has to demonstrate that > the aircraft complies with the rule requirements, not just states it in a > fact sheet or sales flyer. > > I wonder if the Pietenpol family applied for approval and demonstrated > compliance somehow? > > And how did St. Croix make it? I have heard that St. Croix's "Air Camper" > is merely a copy of the Flying & Glider Manual plans or something like that. > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > >


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    Time: 03:21:51 PM PST US
    d="scan'208"; a="183176160:sNHT16869516"
    From: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: SHIRT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net> Yep. A man only has one Mama. We feel for you, Sterling. Chris Bobka ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SHIRT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net> > > Sterling...When you posted the other day that you were making plans for a > funeral, I guessed it was your mom. I know you're saddeded to see her go > and I know she struggled with brain cancer and the associated treatments > for a long time. It doesn't seem to matter that you expected the eventual > outcome, it's still a rough experience. How's your dad coping with this? > I'm sure none of us can really appreciate his pain. Hang in there. Your > friends are thinking about you...Carl Vought > > > On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:22:45 EDT, KTS5TA6@wmconnect.com wrote : > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: KTS5TA6@wmconnect.com > > > > > > > > Phil: > > > > Sorry for the delay. My mom passed away day before yesterday and I'm busy > > getting things ready for an out of town funeral. In my state of > disorganization > > at the moment, it would help my over-loaded brain if you mail your check > with a > > note about both shirts and the size. I know I'll have the large size > > available for you when I get home. > > > > Do you know where Kennewick, WA is? My mom's sister is traveling from > > Kennewick to Fort Stockton, TX for the funeral. It seems like it is > always a pain > > getting on a commercial flight from Kennewick to this part of the world. > > > > Sterling Brooks > > Knot-2-Shabby Airport > > 9725 SH 153 > > WInters, TX 79567 > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:22:40 PM PST US
    From: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Light Sport Aircraft
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120@hotmail.com> No...St. Croix's plans are a direct negative copy ( white on a black background) of the Pietenpol family's plans...I bought my first set before I knew any better from him from an ad in Kit Planes magazine in Jan, 2000 ( where they lists all the hundreds of plans available each January) Before I even knew what a Pietenpol was...It just looked like a really neat plane to me....It's funny but out of all those hundreds of plans I sent away for info packets on the GN-1 and the Pietenpol, I have since bought an "official" set from the Pietenpol's to build from...There were a few things in St. Croix's plans that weren't updated like the gussets on the rudder so they must have been copied from a really old set...Still doesn't seem right to me....He also sells plans for the Ariel... Ed G. >From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com> >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Light Sport Aircraft >Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 16:23:31 -0500 > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" ><taildrags@hotmail.com> > >Very interesting list of airplanes that supposedly comply with the new >rule. Interesting in that the manufacturer (or someone) has to demonstrate >that the aircraft complies with the rule requirements, not just states it >in a fact sheet or sales flyer. > >I wonder if the Pietenpol family applied for approval and demonstrated >compliance somehow? > >And how did St. Croix make it? I have heard that St. Croix's "Air Camper" >is merely a copy of the Flying & Glider Manual plans or something like >that. > >Oscar Zuniga >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > >


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    Time: 03:28:08 PM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: pre-installation fuel tank rinsing
    Hello, Anybody have any suggestions for a good liquid for a final rinse before I install my fuel tank? I want to get rid of any possible filings, debris, coatings etc while I can easily do this. It is an aluminum tank. Would distilled water be good? Am shying away from gas, just because it will be rather unpleasant repeatedly rinsing and emptying that thing with gas. Douwe


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    Time: 03:28:57 PM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Hidden Agenda
    Leroy B, Just having stayed 9 days at Oshkosh it's a miracle you have 2 cents left to give us. As a greatgrandfather many times with a valid driver's license I would deem it a pleasure to ride with your mother. If you can't see the hidden beauro agenda then no explanation is possible. YKW


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    Time: 05:42:42 PM PST US
    d="scan'217,208"; a="182652847:sNHT18101596"
    From: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: pre-installation fuel tank rinsing
    Did you pressure test the tank? Best to do with a modified gas cap with a shrader valve from the local hardware store (looks like a tire stem but has threads on the other end. They use them on water wells. You just need a few PSI and a soap solution... Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 5:38 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: pre-installation fuel tank rinsing Hello, Anybody have any suggestions for a good liquid for a final rinse before I install my fuel tank? I want to get rid of any possible filings, debris, coatings etc while I can easily do this. It is an aluminum tank. Would distilled water be good? Am shying away from gas, just because it will be rather unpleasant repeatedly rinsing and emptying that thing with gas. Douwe


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    Time: 05:44:48 PM PST US
    d="scan'217,208"; a="189194247:sNHT18035212"
    From: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: Hidden Agenda
    Don't forget about my medicalless buddy who drove 60 kids on a school bus everyday with nine bypasses on his heart yet could not fly a 1200 lb airplane by himself.... I say if a medical has been denied in the past then the guy can still fly but with no passengers. He would be LESS of a risk then than he would if he drove a car on public highways... Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 5:28 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hidden Agenda Leroy B, Just having stayed 9 days at Oshkosh it's a miracle you have 2 cents left to give us. As a greatgrandfather many times with a valid driver's license I would deem it a pleasure to ride with your mother. If you can't see the hidden beauro agenda then no explanation is possible. YKW


    Message 20


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    Time: 05:46:03 PM PST US
    d="scan'208"; a="116531608:sNHT15024348"
    From: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: Light Sport Aircraft
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net> St. Croix is Chad Wille and he is in bed with the Antique Airplance Association. I don't care much for the ripoff either... Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Light Sport Aircraft > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120@hotmail.com> > > > No...St. Croix's plans are a direct negative copy ( white on a black > background) of the Pietenpol family's plans...I bought my first set before I > knew any better from him from an ad in Kit Planes magazine in Jan, 2000 ( > where they lists all the hundreds of plans available each January) Before I > even knew what a Pietenpol was...It just looked like a really neat plane to > me....It's funny but out of all those hundreds of plans I sent away for info > packets on the GN-1 and the Pietenpol, I have since bought an "official" set > from the Pietenpol's to build from...There were a few things in St. Croix's > plans that weren't updated like the gussets on the rudder so they must have > been copied from a really old set...Still doesn't seem right to me....He > also sells plans for the Ariel... > Ed G. > > > >From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com> > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Light Sport Aircraft > >Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 16:23:31 -0500 > > > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" > ><taildrags@hotmail.com> > > > >Very interesting list of airplanes that supposedly comply with the new > >rule. Interesting in that the manufacturer (or someone) has to demonstrate > >that the aircraft complies with the rule requirements, not just states it > >in a fact sheet or sales flyer. > > > >I wonder if the Pietenpol family applied for approval and demonstrated > >compliance somehow? > > > >And how did St. Croix make it? I have heard that St. Croix's "Air Camper" > >is merely a copy of the Flying & Glider Manual plans or something like > >that. > > > >Oscar Zuniga > >San Antonio, TX > >mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > >


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    Time: 07:23:30 PM PST US
    From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com>
    Subject: Creeve Coeur
    Hey All, I just thought I'd let you know where I'm at. Dennis E. met me out at Creeve Coeur Airport this evening, and invited me back to his home for the evening, and I just couldn't refuse !! I'm planning on going through their museum tomorrow, and maybe go to a couple of other attractions around St. Louis, then continue on to the west, tomorrow late afternoon. I added up all the mileage (but not the hours), and I've covered more than 2500 miles...so far. It has been a fantastic adventure !! It's really great that Corky has taken on the responsibility of being my operations nco !! Thanks Corky !! Chuck Gantzer NX770CG Americana is alive and well !!!


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    Time: 07:44:10 PM PST US
    From: "James Dallas" <BEC176@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Hidden Agenda
    Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:41:48 -0500 The really Ironic or moronic part of this is he could be a 20,000 hour pilot, lose his medical and never be able to fly again. Yet if he had never had a medical he could go get a little dual, pass a check ride and be set to go. Jim Dallas ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian Bobka To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 7:44 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hidden Agenda Don't forget about my medicalless buddy who drove 60 kids on a school bus everyday with nine bypasses on his heart yet could not fly a 1200 lb airplane by himself.... I say if a medical has been denied in the past then the guy can still fly but with no passengers. He would be LESS of a risk then than he would if he drove a car on public highways... Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 5:28 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hidden Agenda Leroy B, Just having stayed 9 days at Oshkosh it's a miracle you have 2 cents left to give us. As a greatgrandfather many times with a valid driver's license I would deem it a pleasure to ride with your mother. If you can't see the hidden beauro agenda then no explanation is possible. YKW


    Message 23


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    Time: 08:10:33 PM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Hidden Agenda
    Pieters On the whole Sport Pilot Issue, look at it this way. "He who asks questions---gets answers" ykw


    Message 24


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    Time: 08:25:59 PM PST US
    d="scan'217,208"; a="186075453:sNHT18343232"
    From: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: Creeve Coeur
    Chuck, Make sure you fly through the Arch when you leave St. Louis. Chris Bobka ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Engelkenjohn To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 9:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Creeve Coeur Hey All, I just thought I'd let you know where I'm at. Dennis E. met me out at Creeve Coeur Airport this evening, and invited me back to his home for the evening, and I just couldn't refuse !! I'm planning on going through their museum tomorrow, and maybe go to a couple of other attractions around St. Louis, then continue on to the west, tomorrow late afternoon. I added up all the mileage (but not the hours), and I've covered more than 2500 miles...so far. It has been a fantastic adventure !! It's really great that Corky has taken on the responsibility of being my operations nco !! Thanks Corky !! Chuck Gantzer NX770CG Americana is alive and well !!!


    Message 25


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    Time: 08:27:32 PM PST US
    d="scan'217,208"; a="188464534:sNHT21542182"
    From: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: Hidden Agenda
    I hear ya Chris do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: James Dallas To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 9:41 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hidden Agenda The really Ironic or moronic part of this is he could be a 20,000 hour pilot, lose his medical and never be able to fly again. Yet if he had never had a medical he could go get a little dual, pass a check ride and be set to go. Jim Dallas ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian Bobka To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 7:44 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hidden Agenda Don't forget about my medicalless buddy who drove 60 kids on a school bus everyday with nine bypasses on his heart yet could not fly a 1200 lb airplane by himself.... I say if a medical has been denied in the past then the guy can still fly but with no passengers. He would be LESS of a risk then than he would if he drove a car on public highways... Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 5:28 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hidden Agenda Leroy B, Just having stayed 9 days at Oshkosh it's a miracle you have 2 cents left to give us. As a greatgrandfather many times with a valid driver's license I would deem it a pleasure to ride with your mother. If you can't see the hidden beauro agenda then no explanation is possible. YKW




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