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1. 02:41 AM - Re:Sport Pilots Liscence (Borodent@aol.com)
2. 06:23 AM - Re: SHIRT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER (KTS5TA6@wmconnect.com)
3. 07:00 AM - Re: hidden agenda (baileys)
4. 07:37 AM - More Brodhead pix (Hodgson, Mark O)
5. 08:04 AM - Re: hidden agenda (Michael D Cuy)
6. 08:49 AM - data plates (Oscar Zuniga)
7. 10:56 AM - Chuck Gantzer Tour America (Isablcorky@aol.com)
8. 12:53 PM - Re: hidden agenda (James Dallas)
9. 01:16 PM - Re: SHIRT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER (Phil Phillips)
10. 02:07 PM - Hidden Agenda ()
11. 02:23 PM - Light Sport Aircraft (Oscar Zuniga)
12. 02:53 PM - Re: SHIRT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER (Carl D. Vought)
13. 03:20 PM - Re: Light Sport Aircraft (Christian Bobka)
14. 03:21 PM - Re: SHIRT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER (Christian Bobka)
15. 03:22 PM - Re: Light Sport Aircraft (Ed Grentzer)
16. 03:28 PM - pre-installation fuel tank rinsing (Douwe Blumberg)
17. 03:28 PM - Re: Hidden Agenda (Isablcorky@aol.com)
18. 05:42 PM - Re: pre-installation fuel tank rinsing (Christian Bobka)
19. 05:44 PM - Re: Hidden Agenda (Christian Bobka)
20. 05:46 PM - Re: Light Sport Aircraft (Christian Bobka)
21. 07:23 PM - Creeve Coeur (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
22. 07:44 PM - Re: Hidden Agenda (James Dallas)
23. 08:10 PM - Re: Hidden Agenda (Isablcorky@aol.com)
24. 08:25 PM - Re: Creeve Coeur (Christian Bobka)
25. 08:27 PM - Re: Hidden Agenda (Christian Bobka)
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Subject: | Re:Sport Pilots Liscence |
I dont know about the rest of you, I know Corkey was anxious to get the
sport pilot program through, but re my medical it does absolutely nothing for
me.
Just another door slamed in my face - though ( like a carrot ) they're
talking about some future FAA resolution of denied medicals. Henry Williams -
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Subject: | Re: SHIRT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER |
Phil:
Sorry for the delay. My mom passed away day before yesterday and I'm busy
getting things ready for an out of town funeral. In my state of disorganization
at the moment, it would help my over-loaded brain if you mail your check with a
note about both shirts and the size. I know I'll have the large size
available for you when I get home.
Do you know where Kennewick, WA is? My mom's sister is traveling from
Kennewick to Fort Stockton, TX for the funeral. It seems like it is always a pain
getting on a commercial flight from Kennewick to this part of the world.
Sterling Brooks
Knot-2-Shabby Airport
9725 SH 153
WInters, TX 79567
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Subject: | Re: hidden agenda |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net>
Dear List members,
The spirit among Pietenpol builders is great as is the "comrade-in-arms"
feeling one gets from the group. But there are other "low and slow"
aircraft that have their groups as well. i.e. Flybaby, GN-1, Volksplanes
and others. Also IMHO part of this expresses an underlying dissatisfaction
with the big (you know who) experimental aviation group that has all but
abandoned it's humble roots. Anyway the newest group I have seen is the
"Poverty Pilots Association" for those that can't afford an airplane but
build one anyway. The dues have recently been increased from $0.00 to
$00.00 It started with the VP group but they have now widened it to include
any low and slow type builder that fits the poverty category. The do have
there own website up and it is worth a chuckle http://www.vppa.biz/ It is
kind of slow to load so you will have to wait a bit to see it. Anyway
wouldn't it be great to have a group for builders that are doing their best
to build some type all inclusive grass roots group for the plans builder??
Maybe something that fits the new Sport Plane Category that is not a kit?
If you want to see how big that "other group" is here is a satellite photo
you of their flyin. It is big, over 43 meg so it takes a while to download
but it is amazing.
http://www.airventure.org/2004/gallery/images/073104_satellite.jpg
Kind regards,
Bob B.
Pietenpol List Brethern-
I didn't get to be at the big bash at Tick Hill and I only briefly saw Doc
Mosher at Brodhead (didn't notice the T-shirt) so I may be a bit off in my
assessment of the whole situation, but here's what I seem to be seeing as a
trend.
I fear that there is a hidden agenda within the group perpetrated by a
secret few! Perhaps by exposing the plot, we can stay united and move
forward once more without fearing for our rights!
I speak of course, of the fledgling T.A.C.O. (Texas Air Camper Organization)
group. Merely by it's name there is a taint of snobbery and elitism because
of the "Pietenpol only" slant! Are they willing to accept other airplanes in
their organization? Should there be another group dubbed T.O.G.A. (Texas
Organization of Grega Aircampers)? Should the name be changed to accept
multi-cultural builders? Perhaps something along the lines of T.A.L.L.
(Texas All Lightplane Lovers). Come to think of it, why is it restricted to
Texas??
Now, about that B.Y.O.P. (Build your Own Pietenpol) T-Shirt. Do you see a
close parallel here? Seems to me that it's exclusionary to all but the
Pietenpol elitists. Man, these guys are sneaky. I believe that even though
there are two different groups at work here, there is enough harmony in
purpose that there must certainly be a link.
Don't you all see the wedge that is beginning to divide us from each other?
Are you all blind to the calamity that this slippery slope represents?
Brothers, beware!!! If you are building or flying a GN-1 and want to call it
a Pietenpol, don't let these menaces steamroll over your rights.
Shoot....... If you want to build a Lancair and call it a Pietenpol, who are
these snobs to stop you. It's a free country and we can label things any way
we want ( in the words of a former U.S. President :it depends on what "is"
is).
I think a good, level playing field may be realized in the future if we had
an organization with an acronym like B.R.A.T. (Build Right And Prosper) or
Y.S.O.P.M.M.P. (Your Sense Of Propriety Makes Me Puke) or something else
that would let us do whatever we want to do without being bound by tradition
or history.
T.A.C.O. indeed!
Larry
ps. I'm still waiting for my I.D. and T-Shirt
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Subject: | More Brodhead pix |
0.0 LOTS_OF_STUFF BODY: Thousands or millions of pictures, movies,
etc.
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" <mhodgson@bu.edu>
Hi Folks,
Well, they didn't go in without a hitch but there are some more Brodhead
2004 pix on photoshare. Unfortunately, they are listed under
"Kolb-List, Ultralight-List" and a couple of captions are concatinated
on themselves. I also didn't know that the pictures are listed in
alphabetical order of their file names, rather than in the order they
were posted. I took many more this year and last of specific Piets, but
I will be putting those on my own website in a Piet gallery, which I
will list when it's ready.
Nothing like doing a couple steep turns in a Piet, getting the feel of
the rudder and the view of the farmland below, to increase a builder's
motivation!
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/mhodgson@bu.edu.08.07.2004/
Mark Hodgson
P.S. For those who weren't there, the "Corvair" engine reference regards
William Wynne's Zenvair, after it took off to Oshkosh--150
not-too-shabby mph.
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Subject: | Re: hidden agenda |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Larry-- what are you smoking ?
Mike C.
do not archive
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Howdy, folks;
As I mentioned in an earlier post, the brass data plates that I have for
sale are NOT intended to provide compliance with the FARs... they are
strictly for looks and are to be installed in a conspicuous location such as
the front cockpit.
There is a nice photo of a completed, punched data plate on the AV/Grafix
website, at http://www.avgrafix.com/images/peitplac.jpg (and yes, Dennis
misspelled "Piet" there). Complete info on ordering and availability is on
my website, at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/dataplate.html
Still only $10 and I have plenty available. Email me directly... not to the
list.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Chuck Gantzer Tour America |
Pieters and interested,
At 1230 CDT Chuck called from Sullivan County airport in Indiana. He finally
got away from all those girls at 1730 only after he promised to return next
year. A 1 hr flight to Sullivan was all he had time for yesterday. He said he
most enjoyed assisting the boarding and unboarding of his female passengers. He
particularly noticed they all had nice shapely legs amongst other things. He
sure liked Franklin.
The FBO at Sullivan furnished him a car where he stayed in a hotel. Says he
scrubbed 3 days crude and slept like a baby. He was planning to leave by 1300
until I asked if he had a good supply of baby oil so he could really do a good
job of smoking St Louis. He then remembered he had to go to Walley's for a
supply so who knows when he will leave on his leg to Litchfield, Ill where he
plans to call Dennis and FAA permission to get to Creve Ceour where he plans to
overnight. They will probably alert the Mo Air Guard when he begins his smoke
runs over St Louis. Watch your evening news, Chuck may be featured
Chuck's operations nco
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Subject: | Re: hidden agenda |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "James Dallas" <bec176@msn.com>
Carefull.......I brought up my dislikes about this group a couple of years
back and was extemely chastized by some who see no wrong with the Expensive
Aircraft Association.
Jim Dallas
Pietenpol in Progess
Hatz in Progress
>From: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hidden agenda
>Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:00:20 -0500
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "baileys" <baileys@ktis.net>
>
>Dear List members,
>The spirit among Pietenpol builders is great as is the "comrade-in-arms"
>feeling one gets from the group. But there are other "low and slow"
>aircraft that have their groups as well. i.e. Flybaby, GN-1, Volksplanes
>and others. Also IMHO part of this expresses an underlying dissatisfaction
>with the big (you know who) experimental aviation group that has all but
>abandoned it's humble roots. <SNIP>
>
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Subject: | Re: SHIRT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER |
I'm sorry to hear of a tough loss in, your family. I will get a check in the mail
to you tomorrow. Kennewick is across the mountains from me, about a four
hour drive. My daughters have probably played over a hundred softball games in
the Kennewick area.
Phil Phillips
----- Original Message -----
From: KTS5TA6@wmconnect.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 6:22 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SHIRT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER
Phil:
Sorry for the delay. My mom passed away day before yesterday and I'm busy getting
things ready for an out of town funeral. In my state of disorganization at
the moment, it would help my over-loaded brain if you mail your check with a
note about both shirts and the size. I know I'll have the large size available
for you when I get home.
Do you know where Kennewick, WA is? My mom's sister is traveling from Kennewick
to Fort Stockton, TX for the funeral. It seems like it is always a pain getting
on a commercial flight from Kennewick to this part of the world.
Sterling Brooks
Knot-2-Shabby Airport
9725 SH 153
WInters, TX 79567
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <lebrandt@charter.net>
I guess I don't see the hidden agenda.
I just returned from nine days in Oshkosh and could have stayed a lot more.
I think EAA is trying to cover most of the bases. What about Sport Pilot? Just
because you may have already lost your medical and can't get a SP license without
jumping through a lot of medical hoops is probably disappointing to some especially
those of you who are in that very situation. But that change was made
at the FAA. Can you imagine flying with someone who may have another medical
emergency at any time. I don't want to be with them or near their flight path.
Let's prove that we are worthy of the license rather than all being grand fathered
in with a valid drivers license. My mother has one too but I sure as heck
don't want to ride with her.
You have to agree that Sport Pilot will make flying a lot easier for the masses.
Those with fat ultralights or a light Cub, Champ, or T-craft or a homebuilt
that fits the criteria.
If you think EAA has missed the boat for grass roots aviation in their publications,
then you are reading the wrong one. Take a look at Sport Pilot that used
to be Experimenter magazine. There is gobs of great grassroots flying in there.
Just my 2 cents
Leroy B
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Subject: | Light Sport Aircraft |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Very interesting list of airplanes that supposedly comply with the new rule.
Interesting in that the manufacturer (or someone) has to demonstrate that
the aircraft complies with the rule requirements, not just states it in a
fact sheet or sales flyer.
I wonder if the Pietenpol family applied for approval and demonstrated
compliance somehow?
And how did St. Croix make it? I have heard that St. Croix's "Air Camper"
is merely a copy of the Flying & Glider Manual plans or something like that.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: SHIRT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
Sterling...When you posted the other day that you were making plans for a
funeral, I guessed it was your mom. I know you're saddeded to see her go
and I know she struggled with brain cancer and the associated treatments
for a long time. It doesn't seem to matter that you expected the eventual
outcome, it's still a rough experience. How's your dad coping with this?
I'm sure none of us can really appreciate his pain. Hang in there. Your
friends are thinking about you...Carl Vought
On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:22:45 EDT, KTS5TA6@wmconnect.com wrote :
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: KTS5TA6@wmconnect.com
>
>
>
> Phil:
>
> Sorry for the delay. My mom passed away day before yesterday and I'm busy
> getting things ready for an out of town funeral. In my state of
disorganization
> at the moment, it would help my over-loaded brain if you mail your check
with a
> note about both shirts and the size. I know I'll have the large size
> available for you when I get home.
>
> Do you know where Kennewick, WA is? My mom's sister is traveling from
> Kennewick to Fort Stockton, TX for the funeral. It seems like it is
always a pain
> getting on a commercial flight from Kennewick to this part of the world.
>
> Sterling Brooks
> Knot-2-Shabby Airport
> 9725 SH 153
> WInters, TX 79567
>
>
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"Gary Steadman" <gary.steadman@flitzer-aero.com>
Subject: | Re: Light Sport Aircraft |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
Oscar,
All that compliance stuff is for the manufactured Light Sport Aircraft
(LSA). It permutates the final rule to such an extent that one wonders if
the FAA is fixated on the manufacturing end of it and forgot about the rest.
LSA won't affect us homebuilders at all but will allow certain folks to fly
certain homebuilts that they would not otherwise have been able to.
There are three types of LSAs:
1) Regular airplanes like the Cub and the Taylorcraft that meet the
definition of the LSA but need to be maintained as they have in the past
with an annual inspection done by an IA, etc. You coule fly these with a
Sport Pilot ticket with an endorsement for the category and class (like
land airplane with tailwheel). It is easy to figure out which ships meet
the LSA requirements by looking a the type certificate data sheet for the
make and model in question.
2) Yet to be MANUFACTURED LSAs that will be built under the yet to be
adopted consensus standards. With these, a special type of mechanic and
inspector rating will be required for maintaining and doing the annual
inspections on these. Sounds awful but it might be a five day class and you
have an A & P for LSAs and meet some other requiresments and more school
time and you have an IA for LSAs. The manufacturer of these aircraft will
verify and mandate compliance through procedures and limitations in the yet
to be adopted consensus standards that the aircraft will meet the LSA
definition.
3) Homebuilts that are certified under the Experimental Amateur Built
existing regulations that meet the performance limitations as stipulated in
the LSA final rule as to speed, power, etc. will qualify as an LSA and will
be able to be flown by Sport Pilots during the day, etc. that have the
appropriate category and class endorsements in their logbooks. As for
exceeding the performance maximum limits for LSAs, WHO IS TO KNOW THE TRUE
PERFORMANCE IF YOU ARE THE ONLY GUY TO FLY THE SHIP? You can write stuff
into your limitations during your flyoff period and then routinely go a
little or a lot beyond them. A little static leak in the airspeed hookup
will take care of the top cruise speed maximum. Besides, you can just put a
placard in that says MAX CRUISE SPEED is XXX KNOTS with whatever the number
is. That does not mean you will go beyond it when you are flying. You
won't be able to fudge weight or number of seats but I see lots of room in
the other areas, hee, hee. Just make sure you use the max limits as allowed
in the LSA final rule when you do the paperwork for your ship.
Maintenance of the Experimental Amateur Built will continue to be done as it
always has with the builder eligible for the Repairman's Certificate which
would thne allow him e to do the Annual Condition Inspection, etc.
I have hacked half way through the final rule's 452 pages. Thanks for
reminding me to read the rest.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Light Sport Aircraft
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Very interesting list of airplanes that supposedly comply with the new
rule.
> Interesting in that the manufacturer (or someone) has to demonstrate
that
> the aircraft complies with the rule requirements, not just states it in a
> fact sheet or sales flyer.
>
> I wonder if the Pietenpol family applied for approval and demonstrated
> compliance somehow?
>
> And how did St. Croix make it? I have heard that St. Croix's "Air Camper"
> is merely a copy of the Flying & Glider Manual plans or something like
that.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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Subject: | Re: SHIRT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
Yep. A man only has one Mama.
We feel for you, Sterling.
Chris Bobka
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SHIRT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought"
<carbarvo@knology.net>
>
> Sterling...When you posted the other day that you were making plans for a
> funeral, I guessed it was your mom. I know you're saddeded to see her go
> and I know she struggled with brain cancer and the associated treatments
> for a long time. It doesn't seem to matter that you expected the eventual
> outcome, it's still a rough experience. How's your dad coping with this?
> I'm sure none of us can really appreciate his pain. Hang in there. Your
> friends are thinking about you...Carl Vought
>
>
> On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:22:45 EDT, KTS5TA6@wmconnect.com wrote :
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: KTS5TA6@wmconnect.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Phil:
> >
> > Sorry for the delay. My mom passed away day before yesterday and I'm
busy
> > getting things ready for an out of town funeral. In my state of
> disorganization
> > at the moment, it would help my over-loaded brain if you mail your check
> with a
> > note about both shirts and the size. I know I'll have the large size
> > available for you when I get home.
> >
> > Do you know where Kennewick, WA is? My mom's sister is traveling from
> > Kennewick to Fort Stockton, TX for the funeral. It seems like it is
> always a pain
> > getting on a commercial flight from Kennewick to this part of the world.
> >
> > Sterling Brooks
> > Knot-2-Shabby Airport
> > 9725 SH 153
> > WInters, TX 79567
> >
> >
>
>
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Subject: | Light Sport Aircraft |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
No...St. Croix's plans are a direct negative copy ( white on a black
background) of the Pietenpol family's plans...I bought my first set before I
knew any better from him from an ad in Kit Planes magazine in Jan, 2000 (
where they lists all the hundreds of plans available each January) Before I
even knew what a Pietenpol was...It just looked like a really neat plane to
me....It's funny but out of all those hundreds of plans I sent away for info
packets on the GN-1 and the Pietenpol, I have since bought an "official" set
from the Pietenpol's to build from...There were a few things in St. Croix's
plans that weren't updated like the gussets on the rudder so they must have
been copied from a really old set...Still doesn't seem right to me....He
also sells plans for the Ariel...
Ed G.
>From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Light Sport Aircraft
>Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 16:23:31 -0500
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
><taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>Very interesting list of airplanes that supposedly comply with the new
>rule. Interesting in that the manufacturer (or someone) has to demonstrate
>that the aircraft complies with the rule requirements, not just states it
>in a fact sheet or sales flyer.
>
>I wonder if the Pietenpol family applied for approval and demonstrated
>compliance somehow?
>
>And how did St. Croix make it? I have heard that St. Croix's "Air Camper"
>is merely a copy of the Flying & Glider Manual plans or something like
>that.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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Subject: | pre-installation fuel tank rinsing |
Hello,
Anybody have any suggestions for a good liquid for a final rinse before I install
my fuel tank?
I want to get rid of any possible filings, debris, coatings etc while I can easily
do this. It is an aluminum tank. Would distilled water be good?
Am shying away from gas, just because it will be rather unpleasant repeatedly rinsing
and emptying that thing with gas.
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: Hidden Agenda |
Leroy B,
Just having stayed 9 days at Oshkosh it's a miracle you have 2 cents left to
give us.
As a greatgrandfather many times with a valid driver's license I would deem
it a pleasure to ride with your mother.
If you can't see the hidden beauro agenda then no explanation is possible.
YKW
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Subject: | Re: pre-installation fuel tank rinsing |
Did you pressure test the tank? Best to do with a modified gas cap with a shrader
valve from the local hardware store (looks like a tire stem but has threads
on the other end. They use them on water wells. You just need a few PSI and
a soap solution...
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 5:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: pre-installation fuel tank rinsing
Hello,
Anybody have any suggestions for a good liquid for a final rinse before I install
my fuel tank?
I want to get rid of any possible filings, debris, coatings etc while I can easily
do this. It is an aluminum tank. Would distilled water be good?
Am shying away from gas, just because it will be rather unpleasant repeatedly
rinsing and emptying that thing with gas.
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: Hidden Agenda |
Don't forget about my medicalless buddy who drove 60 kids on a school bus everyday
with nine bypasses on his heart yet could not fly a 1200 lb airplane by himself....
I say if a medical has been denied in the past then the guy can still fly but with
no passengers. He would be LESS of a risk then than he would if he drove
a car on public highways...
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hidden Agenda
Leroy B,
Just having stayed 9 days at Oshkosh it's a miracle you have 2 cents left to
give us.
As a greatgrandfather many times with a valid driver's license I would deem it
a pleasure to ride with your mother.
If you can't see the hidden beauro agenda then no explanation is possible.
YKW
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Subject: | Re: Light Sport Aircraft |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
St. Croix is Chad Wille and he is in bed with the Antique Airplance
Association. I don't care much for the ripoff either...
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Light Sport Aircraft
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer"
<flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
>
>
> No...St. Croix's plans are a direct negative copy ( white on a black
> background) of the Pietenpol family's plans...I bought my first set before
I
> knew any better from him from an ad in Kit Planes magazine in Jan, 2000 (
> where they lists all the hundreds of plans available each January) Before
I
> even knew what a Pietenpol was...It just looked like a really neat plane
to
> me....It's funny but out of all those hundreds of plans I sent away for
info
> packets on the GN-1 and the Pietenpol, I have since bought an "official"
set
> from the Pietenpol's to build from...There were a few things in St.
Croix's
> plans that weren't updated like the gussets on the rudder so they must
have
> been copied from a really old set...Still doesn't seem right to me....He
> also sells plans for the Ariel...
> Ed G.
>
>
> >From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Light Sport Aircraft
> >Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 16:23:31 -0500
> >
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
> ><taildrags@hotmail.com>
> >
> >Very interesting list of airplanes that supposedly comply with the new
> >rule. Interesting in that the manufacturer (or someone) has to
demonstrate
> >that the aircraft complies with the rule requirements, not just states it
> >in a fact sheet or sales flyer.
> >
> >I wonder if the Pietenpol family applied for approval and demonstrated
> >compliance somehow?
> >
> >And how did St. Croix make it? I have heard that St. Croix's "Air
Camper"
> >is merely a copy of the Flying & Glider Manual plans or something like
> >that.
> >
> >Oscar Zuniga
> >San Antonio, TX
> >mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
>
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Hey All,
I just thought I'd let you know where I'm at. Dennis E. met me out at Creeve Coeur
Airport this evening, and invited me back to his home for the evening, and
I just couldn't refuse !! I'm planning on going through their museum tomorrow,
and maybe go to a couple of other attractions around St. Louis, then continue
on to the west, tomorrow late afternoon. I added up all the mileage (but
not the hours), and I've covered more than 2500 miles...so far. It has been a
fantastic adventure !! It's really great that Corky has taken on the responsibility
of being my operations nco !! Thanks Corky !!
Chuck Gantzer
NX770CG
Americana is alive and well !!!
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Subject: | Re: Hidden Agenda |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:41:48 -0500
The really Ironic or moronic part of this is he could be a 20,000 hour pilot, lose
his medical and never be able to fly again. Yet if he had never had a medical
he could go get a little dual, pass a check ride and be set to go.
Jim Dallas
----- Original Message -----
From: Christian Bobka
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hidden Agenda
Don't forget about my medicalless buddy who drove 60 kids on a school bus everyday
with nine bypasses on his heart yet could not fly a 1200 lb airplane by
himself....
I say if a medical has been denied in the past then the guy can still fly but
with no passengers. He would be LESS of a risk then than he would if he drove
a car on public highways...
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hidden Agenda
Leroy B,
Just having stayed 9 days at Oshkosh it's a miracle you have 2 cents left to
give us.
As a greatgrandfather many times with a valid driver's license I would deem
it a pleasure to ride with your mother.
If you can't see the hidden beauro agenda then no explanation is possible.
YKW
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Subject: | Re: Hidden Agenda |
Pieters
On the whole Sport Pilot Issue, look at it this way.
"He who asks questions---gets answers"
ykw
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d="scan'217,208"; a="186075453:sNHT18343232"
Subject: | Re: Creeve Coeur |
Chuck,
Make sure you fly through the Arch when you leave St. Louis.
Chris Bobka
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Engelkenjohn
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 9:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Creeve Coeur
Hey All,
I just thought I'd let you know where I'm at. Dennis E. met me out at Creeve
Coeur Airport this evening, and invited me back to his home for the evening,
and I just couldn't refuse !! I'm planning on going through their museum tomorrow,
and maybe go to a couple of other attractions around St. Louis, then continue
on to the west, tomorrow late afternoon. I added up all the mileage (but
not the hours), and I've covered more than 2500 miles...so far. It has been
a fantastic adventure !! It's really great that Corky has taken on the responsibility
of being my operations nco !! Thanks Corky !!
Chuck Gantzer
NX770CG
Americana is alive and well !!!
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d="scan'217,208"; a="188464534:sNHT21542182"
Subject: | Re: Hidden Agenda |
I hear ya
Chris
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: James Dallas
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hidden Agenda
The really Ironic or moronic part of this is he could be a 20,000 hour pilot,
lose his medical and never be able to fly again. Yet if he had never had a medical
he could go get a little dual, pass a check ride and be set to go.
Jim Dallas
----- Original Message -----
From: Christian Bobka
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hidden Agenda
Don't forget about my medicalless buddy who drove 60 kids on a school bus everyday
with nine bypasses on his heart yet could not fly a 1200 lb airplane by
himself....
I say if a medical has been denied in the past then the guy can still fly but
with no passengers. He would be LESS of a risk then than he would if he drove
a car on public highways...
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hidden Agenda
Leroy B,
Just having stayed 9 days at Oshkosh it's a miracle you have 2 cents left
to give us.
As a greatgrandfather many times with a valid driver's license I would deem
it a pleasure to ride with your mother.
If you can't see the hidden beauro agenda then no explanation is possible.
YKW
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