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1. 01:32 AM - Re: attachment of horizontal stab ()
2. 04:44 AM - Re: Back in Wichita (Larry Ragan)
3. 06:19 AM - Antique Fly-In (Oscar Zuniga)
4. 06:23 AM - Re: Back in Wichita (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
5. 07:07 AM - Re: Back in Wichita (Isablcorky@aol.com)
6. 08:41 AM - Re: Back in Wichita (Hodgson, Mark O)
7. 09:03 AM - Re: Back in Wichita (John Ford)
8. 09:26 AM - Re: Back in Wichita (Steve Eldredge)
9. 09:28 AM - Re: Back in Wichita (Mike King)
10. 09:33 AM - Re: Back in Wichita (Jim Markle)
11. 09:48 AM - Re: Antique Fly-In (malcolm Zirges)
12. 09:50 AM - Re: Back in Wichita (John Hofmann)
13. 10:26 AM - Re: Back in Wichita (Larry Ragan)
14. 10:49 AM - Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism (Christian Bobka)
15. 10:58 AM - Re: Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism (Michael D Cuy)
16. 11:33 AM - Re: Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism (John Ford)
17. 12:52 PM - Re: Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism (cgalley)
18. 01:42 PM - Re: Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism (Ron Hargrove)
19. 02:42 PM - Re: Back in Wichita (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
20. 04:22 PM - Re: Back in Wichita (Jim Markle)
21. 07:39 PM - Re: Back in Wichita (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
22. 08:38 PM - Re: Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism (James Dallas)
23. 09:17 PM - Re: attachment of horizontal stab (tmbrant1@netzero.net)
24. 10:23 PM - Re: attachment of horizontal stab (Christian Bobka)
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| Subject: | Re: attachment of horizontal stab |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: <gcardinal@mn.rr.com>
Tom,
Dale and I attached the tail pieces straight
and level.
Bolting through the longerons instead of
using screws is a widely accepted change.
What thickness steel do you have access to?
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: <tmbrant1@netzero.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: attachment of
horizontal stab
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
"tmbrant1@netzero.net" <tmbrant1@netzero.net>
>
>
> When attaching the horizontal stab, is it
best to shim under each member until they all
are level? I'm wondering why the use of
3/16" ply on the two front members and 1/8"
on the back. It seems that instead of
shimming it up, that using a thinner gusset
in those locations would also work?
>
> Also, the plans call for screws attachment
into longerons. I'm assuming people are
bolting through the longerons on the front
two members... What about the rear member
where it connects at the tailpost?
>
> Is there any problem with using standard
carbon steel on the brackets for attaching
the tail members? I can get my hands on some
for free if that would work.
>
> Tom Brant
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Larry Ragan" <lragan@hotmail.com>
Wow.......Chuck, you're my new hero. We all have been enviously following you,
and are happy to see you made it safely. Think a story a day will last till next
Brodhead?
Larry Ragan
Jacksonville, Fl.
lragan@hotmail.com
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Any Pietenpolers planning to attend the Northwest Antique Aircraft Club
fly-in at McMinnville, OR on Aug. 20-22? [ http://www.nwaac.com/ ]
McMinnville is very, very close to where The Corvair Underground has their
offices and warehouse, for anybody who is converting a Corvair for their
Piet. It's also very close to Tillamook, which produces
internationally-distributed cheese products. And unless I'm mistaken, the
Hughes Flying Boat, aka the "Spruce Goose", is either in McMinnville or in
Tillamook. It's an antique, alright!
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Back in Wichita |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Dear Chuck,
We're happy to hear you made home safely. Thanks again for swinging thru Texas
and giving us all here a boost. Also thanks for taking the kids up for rides.
Your spirit of adventure and determination are a true example of why we all
love the Pietenpol airplane. May the good Lord bless us all to have a trip like
yours someday. I'm sure a trip like that makes one even more proud to be
an American.
3 cheers for you, brother!!
Looking forward to your stories...
--
Terry L. Bowden
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| Subject: | Re: Back in Wichita |
Chuck,
Isabelle and I offer our congratulations for a very safe and adventurous July
and August. It was a pleasure to have met you and had you as our guest. We
enjoyed the humorous calls during your trip. They made our days.
Now get back to work and dream about next year when Ted and I meet you at
Coles County, Ill. for the flight to Brodhead unless you decide to make a trip
to
Texas again and then to SHV where we can fly together to Mountain Home
instead of Mountain View. We have a whole year to decide. A whole year? I'd better
get off this machine and get to work on 311CC.
Corky and Isabelle in La. living the good life
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Back in Wichita |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O" <mhodgson@bu.edu>
Chuck,
Congratulations--will you be doing a book signing at Brodhead next year?
I'll reserve a copy now. The "3.3 hours" is making me wonder whether to
install some kind of drain tube in the floor. If you haven't seen them
yet your great little machine is on 2 photoshare links re: Brodhead.
Thanks for stories past, present, and hopefully future,
Mark Hodgson
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| Subject: | Re: Back in Wichita |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
Ahh yes, a little drain tube connected to a little venturi at the tail
would do the trick nicely! I'll have to experiment with this on my
truck... ;)
See you all at Brodhead again next year...
John
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> mhodgson@bu.edu Friday, August 13, 2004 9:58:40 AM >>>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O"
<mhodgson@bu.edu>
Chuck,
Congratulations--will you be doing a book signing at Brodhead next
year?
I'll reserve a copy now. The "3.3 hours" is making me wonder whether
to
install some kind of drain tube in the floor. If you haven't seen
them
yet your great little machine is on 2 photoshare links re: Brodhead.
Thanks for stories past, present, and hopefully future,
Mark Hodgson
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
Be very careful sizing that venture or you might get an unexpected
surprise@!# ouch.
STEVEE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Ford
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Back in Wichita
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
Ahh yes, a little drain tube connected to a little venturi at the tail
would do the trick nicely! I'll have to experiment with this on my
truck... ;)
See you all at Brodhead again next year...
John
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> mhodgson@bu.edu Friday, August 13, 2004 9:58:40 AM >>>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O"
<mhodgson@bu.edu>
Chuck,
Congratulations--will you be doing a book signing at Brodhead next
year?
I'll reserve a copy now. The "3.3 hours" is making me wonder whether
to
install some kind of drain tube in the floor. If you haven't seen
them
yet your great little machine is on 2 photoshare links re: Brodhead.
Thanks for stories past, present, and hopefully future,
Mark Hodgson
==
==
==
==
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike King" <mike@mking.us>
Chuck,
Let me add my sincere congratulations on an experience many
of us only dream.
It was a pleasure to greet you at AeroCountry in North Texas
and later that same day at Terry Bowden's place at Tick Hill.
Corky did a great job in keeping the list updated during your
adventure.
I would like to reserve a book too. Congratulations again
on a job well done.
Mike King
GN-1
77MK
Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Hodgson, Mark O
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Back in Wichita
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Hodgson, Mark O"
<mhodgson@bu.edu>
Chuck,
Congratulations--will you be doing a book signing at Brodhead
next year?
I'll reserve a copy now. The "3.3 hours" is making me wonder
whether to
install some kind of drain tube in the floor. If you haven't
seen them
yet your great little machine is on 2 photoshare links re:
Brodhead.
Thanks for stories past, present, and hopefully future,
Mark Hodgson
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| Subject: | Re: Back in Wichita |
I have a feeling that flight next year may include more than just the two of you.......I'm
going up to the Mountain Home area for some trout fishing in a couple
weeks.....I'll watch for those airports WE'LL be flying into.....
I don't know about anyone else (well, Corky I DO know about....) but Chuck's travels
have caused a bunch of dusty ribs, spars, LE, TE, metal fittings and a couple
compression struts to turn into an almost completed (and still a bit dusty
in areas) wing panel in my garage.....
I think I'll get off THIS machine and get back to work on 25JM......
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Back in Wichita
Chuck,
Isabelle and I offer our congratulations for a very safe and adventurous July
and August. It was a pleasure to have met you and had you as our guest. We enjoyed
the humorous calls during your trip. They made our days.
Now get back to work and dream about next year when Ted and I meet you at Coles
County, Ill. for the flight to Brodhead unless you decide to make a trip to
Texas again and then to SHV where we can fly together to Mountain Home instead
of Mountain View. We have a whole year to decide. A whole year? I'd better get
off this machine and get to work on 311CC.
Corky and Isabelle in La. living the good life
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Antique Fly-In |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "malcolm Zirges" <macz@macsells.com>
The Spruce Goose is definitely in McMinnville in a beautiful new air museum.
There is also a very nice air museum at Tillamook in one of the (HUGE) old
Dirigible hangars from WWII.
Mac in Oregon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Antique Fly-In
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Any Pietenpolers planning to attend the Northwest Antique Aircraft Club
> fly-in at McMinnville, OR on Aug. 20-22? [ http://www.nwaac.com/ ]
>
> McMinnville is very, very close to where The Corvair Underground has their
> offices and warehouse, for anybody who is converting a Corvair for their
> Piet. It's also very close to Tillamook, which produces
> internationally-distributed cheese products. And unless I'm mistaken, the
> Hughes Flying Boat, aka the "Spruce Goose", is either in McMinnville or in
> Tillamook. It's an antique, alright!
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Back in Wichita |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
Back when I went to A&P school we had a Beech 18 for round engine stuff and
just banging around. It had a relief tube out of the belly. I, being and old
airplane guy and the rest of the class not, asked me what it was. I said it
was a "ground communication tube" like the old Gosport tubes for speaking
into the cockpit. I got a lot of satisfaction whenever someone put their
lips on our near that tube....
-john-
Do Not Archive
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
>
> Be very careful sizing that venture or you might get an unexpected
> surprise@!# ouch.
>
> STEVEE
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Ford
> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 10:03 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Back in Wichita
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
>
> Ahh yes, a little drain tube connected to a little venturi at the tail
> would do the trick nicely! I'll have to experiment with this on my
> truck... ;)
>
> See you all at Brodhead again next year...
>
> John
>
> John Ford
> john@indstate.edu
> 812-237-8542
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Manager, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
7600 Terrace Avenue, Ste. 203
Middleton, WI 53562
Phone: 608-831-3611, ext. 150
Fax: 608-831-5122
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| Subject: | Re: Back in Wichita |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Larry Ragan" <lragan@hotmail.com>
One of the reasons I'm working on this GN 1 is that I hope to have it finished
when I retire in 2 years to Mountain View, Arkansas. It's a great, little known
area where the pace is definitely slower that what most of us are used to. I've
owned 10 acres up on a hill above town, for about 5 years and twice a year
we drive from Jacksonville to M.V. to clear a little more of the property.
As Chuck said earlier, what a beautiful place to fly.
Larry Ragan
Jacksonville, Fl.
lragan@hotmail.com
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| Subject: | Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism |
----- Original Message -----
From: info@nationalairtour.org
Subject: NBC News Practices Terrorism
Subscriber Bulletin
Here at the Aviation Foundation of America (National Air Tour) we are concerned
about the preservation and sharing of America's great aviation heritage. Acts
of terrorism threaten our aviation heritage and we need to guard against them.
Today we received notification of another act of "terrorism", this one was conducted
by NBC NEWS. NBC, acting as terrorists, tried to create their own act of
terror for the sake of creating yet another anti-aviation news story.
We have received the e-mail below describing NBC's abuse of taxpayers' money and
tying up law enforcement for the sake of their own agenda. It appears we not
only have to be watching for terrorists at our airports but also for NBC News.
In the final analysis they are attempting just another version of "terror" themselves.
Please read the e-mail below and forward it to anyone you feel would be interested.
Original Message:
From: "Celeste Clark"
Subject: NATA Member SPECIAL NOTICE
**Special NATA Member Notice**
ATTEMPTED SECURITY BREACH AT GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT
In an effort to show allegedly lax security procedures, NBC News attempted to penetrate
a charter helicopter operation at St. Louis Downtown Airport on Wednesday,
August 11th.
The attempt was brought to a halt, and the individuals were apprehended.
Though this breach of security was stopped, it was indicated that NBC and other
news agencies might attempt to repeat their efforts at other facilities around
the country.
NATA urges operators to continue to be on the alert for security breaches by news
agencies "testing the waters" and, more importantly, actual terrorist organizations
or individuals intent on doing harm.
Operators nationwide are encouraged to review their security procedures and reinforce their security policies on a regular basis. NATA Members should review the TSA's Security Guidelines for General Aviation Airports (http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1113.xml). Any suspicious activity should be reported immediately to the Airport Watch Hotline at (866) GA SECURE.
The account of the August 11 incident, provided by the director of the St. Louis
Downtown Airport follows:
"Earlier today two Middle Eastern men attempted to penetrate our security. They
telephoned one of my helicopter FBOs and asked about a charter flight. After
discussion of price and directions to the business, they arrived an hour later.
When the office agent asked how they were going to pay for the flight they produced
cash. When asked for ID, they produced driver's licenses from two different
states and they were driving a car licensed in a third state.
Things didn't smell right so the mechanic took them into the hangar to see the
aircraft while the office person called the FBI and local police. The helicopter
they were going to fly was blocked in by other aircraft so the mechanic was
able to stall them by having to slowly shuffle the blocking planes. Meanwhile
the two men got their backpacks and odd-shaped luggage out of their car. Soon
the local police arrived and they were hauled off to jail in handcuffs.
After a little time behind bars, the FBI verified that the two men were employed
by NBC New York and were on assignment to get a story of how easy it is to charter
a helicopter for a terrorist attack. The men had stayed in a local hotel
and purchased box cutters, leather-man knives, and other potential weapons at
the local Wal-Mart using a credit card. The box cutters had been hidden in the
lining at the bottom of the backpacks and the other weapons were hidden throughout
their baggage. They had audio taped the telephone conversation with Arlene
and were going to use it as part of a national news story about how easy
it is to get information and directions to the location of the helicopter and
then hijack it to commit a terrorist attack.
I doubt they will be back at our airport soon and this is a story that will never
be seen since they were caught. A very "well-done" to my FBO and staff and
the local FBI and police response forces. We have since learned that we were the
first airport where this had been attempted and NBC planned to attempt similar
penetration stories around the country. Please help me spread the word to
other airports."
For additional information contact:
Beth Van Emburgh Manager, Government & Industry Affairs bvanemburgh@nata-online.org
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism |
Chris-- good. I'm glad to see that they stopped those two guys dead in
their tracks. A little practice couldn't hurt, esp. if
their intentions were harmless, sans capturing a story. The system
worked, evidently.
I'm just waiting for the two average white guys that the terrorists really
hire to do damage who slip thru the cracks.
Mike
do not archive
At 12:48 PM 8/13/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:info@nationalairtour.org>info@nationalairtour.org
>To: <mailto:bobka@charter.net>bobka@charter.net
>Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 7:31 AM
>Subject: NBC News Practices Terrorism
>
>Subscriber Bulletin
>
>Here at the Aviation Foundation of America (National Air Tour) we are
>concerned about the preservation and sharing of America's great aviation
>heritage. Acts of terrorism threaten our aviation heritage and we need to
>guard against them.
>
>Today we received notification of another act of "terrorism", this one was
>conducted by NBC NEWS. NBC, acting as terrorists, tried to create their
>own act of terror for the sake of creating yet another anti-aviation news
>story.
>
>We have received the e-mail below describing NBC's abuse of taxpayers'
>money and tying up law enforcement for the sake of their own agenda. It
>appears we not only have to be watching for terrorists at our airports but
>also for NBC News. In the final analysis they are attempting just another
>version of "terror" themselves.
>
>Please read the e-mail below and forward it to anyone you feel would be
>interested.
>
>Original Message:
>From: "Celeste Clark"
>To: NATA Membership
>Subject: NATA Member SPECIAL NOTICE
>Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:58:03 -0400
>
>**Special NATA Member Notice**
>
>ATTEMPTED SECURITY BREACH AT GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT
>
>In an effort to show allegedly lax security procedures, NBC News attempted
>to penetrate a charter helicopter operation at St. Louis Downtown Airport
>on Wednesday, August 11th.
>
>The attempt was brought to a halt, and the individuals were apprehended.
>
>Though this breach of security was stopped, it was indicated that NBC and
>other news agencies might attempt to repeat their efforts at other
>facilities around the country.
>
>NATA urges operators to continue to be on the alert for security breaches
>by news agencies "testing the waters" and, more importantly, actual
>terrorist organizations or individuals intent on doing harm.
>
>Operators nationwide are encouraged to review their security procedures
>and reinforce their security policies on a regular basis. NATA Members
>should review the TSA's Security Guidelines for General Aviation Airports
>(http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1113.xml). Any
>suspicious activity should be reported immediately to the Airport Watch
>Hotline at (866) GA SECURE.
>
>The account of the August 11 incident, provided by the director of the St.
>Louis Downtown Airport follows:
>
>"Earlier today two Middle Eastern men attempted to penetrate our security.
>They telephoned one of my helicopter FBOs and asked about a charter
>flight. After discussion of price and directions to the business, they
>arrived an hour later. When the office agent asked how they were going to
>pay for the flight they produced cash. When asked for ID, they produced
>driver's licenses from two different states and they were driving a car
>licensed in a third state.
>
>Things didn't smell right so the mechanic took them into the hangar to see
>the aircraft while the office person called the FBI and local police. The
>helicopter they were going to fly was blocked in by other aircraft so the
>mechanic was able to stall them by having to slowly shuffle the blocking
>planes. Meanwhile the two men got their backpacks and odd-shaped luggage
>out of their car. Soon the local police arrived and they were hauled off
>to jail in handcuffs.
>
>After a little time behind bars, the FBI verified that the two men were
>employed by NBC New York and were on assignment to get a story of how easy
>it is to charter a helicopter for a terrorist attack. The men had stayed
>in a local hotel and purchased box cutters, leather-man knives, and other
>potential weapons at the local Wal-Mart using a credit card. The box
>cutters had been hidden in the lining at the bottom of the backpacks and
>the other weapons were hidden throughout their baggage. They had audio
>taped the telephone conversation with Arlene and were going to use it as
>part of a national news story about how easy it is to get information and
>directions to the location of the helicopter and then hijack it to commit
>a terrorist attack.
>
>I doubt they will be back at our airport soon and this is a story that
>will never be seen since they were caught. A very "well-done" to my FBO
>and staff and the local FBI and police response forces. We have since
>learned that we were the first airport where this had been attempted and
>NBC planned to attempt similar penetration stories around the country.
>Please help me spread the word to other airports."
>
>For additional information contact:
>
>Beth Van Emburgh Manager, Government & Industry Affairs
>bvanemburgh@nata-online.org
>To unsubscribe from these newsletters please click
><http://www.nationalairtour.org/unsubscribe.cfm>here
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
I hope NBC has the guts to run the story anyway, demonstrating how it
isn't such a piece of cake to hijack a helicopter after all. What they
did is something that probably needed to be done, assuming they run the
story. If they don't run the story, then they have zero integrity. I
don't normally watch TV news, so if anybody sees this run (or a promo
for it) then let me know because I'd like to see how they handle it.
John (the former TV journalist)
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> sbobka@charter.net Friday, August 13, 2004 12:48:24 PM >>>
----- Original Message -----
From: info@nationalairtour.org
Subject: NBC News Practices Terrorism
Subscriber Bulletin
Here at the Aviation Foundation of America (National Air Tour) we are
concerned about the preservation and sharing of America's great aviation
heritage. Acts of terrorism threaten our aviation heritage and we need
to guard against them.
Today we received notification of another act of "terrorism", this one
was conducted by NBC NEWS. NBC, acting as terrorists, tried to create
their own act of terror for the sake of creating yet another
anti-aviation news story.
We have received the e-mail below describing NBC's abuse of taxpayers'
money and tying up law enforcement for the sake of their own agenda. It
appears we not only have to be watching for terrorists at our airports
but also for NBC News. In the final analysis they are attempting just
another version of "terror" themselves.
Please read the e-mail below and forward it to anyone you feel would be
interested.
Original Message:
From: "Celeste Clark"
Subject: NATA Member SPECIAL NOTICE
**Special NATA Member Notice**
ATTEMPTED SECURITY BREACH AT GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT
In an effort to show allegedly lax security procedures, NBC News
attempted to penetrate a charter helicopter operation at St. Louis
Downtown Airport on Wednesday, August 11th.
The attempt was brought to a halt, and the individuals were
apprehended.
Though this breach of security was stopped, it was indicated that NBC
and other news agencies might attempt to repeat their efforts at other
facilities around the country.
NATA urges operators to continue to be on the alert for security
breaches by news agencies "testing the waters" and, more importantly,
actual terrorist organizations or individuals intent on doing harm.
Operators nationwide are encouraged to review their security procedures
and reinforce their security policies on a regular basis. NATA Members
should review the TSA's Security Guidelines for General Aviation
Airports
(http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1113.xml). Any
suspicious activity should be reported immediately to the Airport Watch
Hotline at (866) GA SECURE.
The account of the August 11 incident, provided by the director of the
St. Louis Downtown Airport follows:
"Earlier today two Middle Eastern men attempted to penetrate our
security. They telephoned one of my helicopter FBOs and asked about a
charter flight. After discussion of price and directions to the
business, they arrived an hour later. When the office agent asked how
they were going to pay for the flight they produced cash. When asked for
ID, they produced driver's licenses from two different states and they
were driving a car licensed in a third state.
Things didn't smell right so the mechanic took them into the hangar to
see the aircraft while the office person called the FBI and local
police. The helicopter they were going to fly was blocked in by other
aircraft so the mechanic was able to stall them by having to slowly
shuffle the blocking planes. Meanwhile the two men got their backpacks
and odd-shaped luggage out of their car. Soon the local police arrived
and they were hauled off to jail in handcuffs.
After a little time behind bars, the FBI verified that the two men were
employed by NBC New York and were on assignment to get a story of how
easy it is to charter a helicopter for a terrorist attack. The men had
stayed in a local hotel and purchased box cutters, leather-man knives,
and other potential weapons at the local Wal-Mart using a credit card.
The box cutters had been hidden in the lining at the bottom of the
backpacks and the other weapons were hidden throughout their baggage.
They had audio taped the telephone conversation with Arlene and were
going to use it as part of a national news story about how easy it is to
get information and directions to the location of the helicopter and
then hijack it to commit a terrorist attack.
I doubt they will be back at our airport soon and this is a story that
will never be seen since they were caught. A very "well-done" to my FBO
and staff and the local FBI and police response forces. We have since
learned that we were the first airport where this had been attempted and
NBC planned to attempt similar penetration stories around the country.
Please help me spread the word to other airports."
For additional information contact:
Beth Van Emburgh Manager, Government & Industry Affairs
bvanemburgh@nata-online.org
To unsubscribe from these newsletters please click here
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
It was given brief mention on Nightline last night.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
>
> I hope NBC has the guts to run the story anyway, demonstrating how it
> isn't such a piece of cake to hijack a helicopter after all. What they
> did is something that probably needed to be done, assuming they run the
> story. If they don't run the story, then they have zero integrity. I
> don't normally watch TV news, so if anybody sees this run (or a promo
> for it) then let me know because I'd like to see how they handle it.
>
> John (the former TV journalist)
>
> John Ford
> john@indstate.edu
> 812-237-8542
>
>
> >>> sbobka@charter.net Friday, August 13, 2004 12:48:24 PM >>>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: info@nationalairtour.org
> To: bobka@charter.net
> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 7:31 AM
> Subject: NBC News Practices Terrorism
>
>
> Subscriber Bulletin
>
> Here at the Aviation Foundation of America (National Air Tour) we are
> concerned about the preservation and sharing of America's great aviation
> heritage. Acts of terrorism threaten our aviation heritage and we need
> to guard against them.
>
> Today we received notification of another act of "terrorism", this one
> was conducted by NBC NEWS. NBC, acting as terrorists, tried to create
> their own act of terror for the sake of creating yet another
> anti-aviation news story.
>
> We have received the e-mail below describing NBC's abuse of taxpayers'
> money and tying up law enforcement for the sake of their own agenda. It
> appears we not only have to be watching for terrorists at our airports
> but also for NBC News. In the final analysis they are attempting just
> another version of "terror" themselves.
>
> Please read the e-mail below and forward it to anyone you feel would be
> interested.
>
> Original Message:
> From: "Celeste Clark"
> To: NATA Membership
> Subject: NATA Member SPECIAL NOTICE
> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:58:03 -0400
>
> **Special NATA Member Notice**
>
> ATTEMPTED SECURITY BREACH AT GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT
>
> In an effort to show allegedly lax security procedures, NBC News
> attempted to penetrate a charter helicopter operation at St. Louis
> Downtown Airport on Wednesday, August 11th.
>
> The attempt was brought to a halt, and the individuals were
> apprehended.
>
> Though this breach of security was stopped, it was indicated that NBC
> and other news agencies might attempt to repeat their efforts at other
> facilities around the country.
>
> NATA urges operators to continue to be on the alert for security
> breaches by news agencies "testing the waters" and, more importantly,
> actual terrorist organizations or individuals intent on doing harm.
>
> Operators nationwide are encouraged to review their security procedures
> and reinforce their security policies on a regular basis. NATA Members
> should review the TSA's Security Guidelines for General Aviation
> Airports
> (http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1113.xml). Any
> suspicious activity should be reported immediately to the Airport Watch
> Hotline at (866) GA SECURE.
>
> The account of the August 11 incident, provided by the director of the
> St. Louis Downtown Airport follows:
>
> "Earlier today two Middle Eastern men attempted to penetrate our
> security. They telephoned one of my helicopter FBOs and asked about a
> charter flight. After discussion of price and directions to the
> business, they arrived an hour later. When the office agent asked how
> they were going to pay for the flight they produced cash. When asked for
> ID, they produced driver's licenses from two different states and they
> were driving a car licensed in a third state.
>
> Things didn't smell right so the mechanic took them into the hangar to
> see the aircraft while the office person called the FBI and local
> police. The helicopter they were going to fly was blocked in by other
> aircraft so the mechanic was able to stall them by having to slowly
> shuffle the blocking planes. Meanwhile the two men got their backpacks
> and odd-shaped luggage out of their car. Soon the local police arrived
> and they were hauled off to jail in handcuffs.
>
> After a little time behind bars, the FBI verified that the two men were
> employed by NBC New York and were on assignment to get a story of how
> easy it is to charter a helicopter for a terrorist attack. The men had
> stayed in a local hotel and purchased box cutters, leather-man knives,
> and other potential weapons at the local Wal-Mart using a credit card.
> The box cutters had been hidden in the lining at the bottom of the
> backpacks and the other weapons were hidden throughout their baggage.
> They had audio taped the telephone conversation with Arlene and were
> going to use it as part of a national news story about how easy it is to
> get information and directions to the location of the helicopter and
> then hijack it to commit a terrorist attack.
>
> I doubt they will be back at our airport soon and this is a story that
> will never be seen since they were caught. A very "well-done" to my FBO
> and staff and the local FBI and police response forces. We have since
> learned that we were the first airport where this had been attempted and
> NBC planned to attempt similar penetration stories around the country.
> Please help me spread the word to other airports."
>
> For additional information contact:
>
> Beth Van Emburgh Manager, Government & Industry Affairs
> bvanemburgh@nata-online.org
> To unsubscribe from these newsletters please click here
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Hargrove <ronhargrove@gmail.com>
I remember seeing a story on the evening news as well.
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:52:26 -0500, cgalley <cgalley@qcbc.org> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> It was given brief mention on Nightline last night.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 1:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
> >
> > I hope NBC has the guts to run the story anyway, demonstrating how it
> > isn't such a piece of cake to hijack a helicopter after all. What they
> > did is something that probably needed to be done, assuming they run the
> > story. If they don't run the story, then they have zero integrity. I
> > don't normally watch TV news, so if anybody sees this run (or a promo
> > for it) then let me know because I'd like to see how they handle it.
> >
> > John (the former TV journalist)
> >
> > John Ford
> > john@indstate.edu
> > 812-237-8542
> >
> >
> > >>> sbobka@charter.net Friday, August 13, 2004 12:48:24 PM >>>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: info@nationalairtour.org
> > To: bobka@charter.net
> > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 7:31 AM
> > Subject: NBC News Practices Terrorism
> >
> >
> > Subscriber Bulletin
> >
> > Here at the Aviation Foundation of America (National Air Tour) we are
> > concerned about the preservation and sharing of America's great aviation
> > heritage. Acts of terrorism threaten our aviation heritage and we need
> > to guard against them.
> >
> > Today we received notification of another act of "terrorism", this one
> > was conducted by NBC NEWS. NBC, acting as terrorists, tried to create
> > their own act of terror for the sake of creating yet another
> > anti-aviation news story.
> >
> > We have received the e-mail below describing NBC's abuse of taxpayers'
> > money and tying up law enforcement for the sake of their own agenda. It
> > appears we not only have to be watching for terrorists at our airports
> > but also for NBC News. In the final analysis they are attempting just
> > another version of "terror" themselves.
> >
> > Please read the e-mail below and forward it to anyone you feel would be
> > interested.
> >
> > Original Message:
> > From: "Celeste Clark"
> > To: NATA Membership
> > Subject: NATA Member SPECIAL NOTICE
> > Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:58:03 -0400
> >
> > **Special NATA Member Notice**
> >
> > ATTEMPTED SECURITY BREACH AT GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT
> >
> > In an effort to show allegedly lax security procedures, NBC News
> > attempted to penetrate a charter helicopter operation at St. Louis
> > Downtown Airport on Wednesday, August 11th.
> >
> > The attempt was brought to a halt, and the individuals were
> > apprehended.
> >
> > Though this breach of security was stopped, it was indicated that NBC
> > and other news agencies might attempt to repeat their efforts at other
> > facilities around the country.
> >
> > NATA urges operators to continue to be on the alert for security
> > breaches by news agencies "testing the waters" and, more importantly,
> > actual terrorist organizations or individuals intent on doing harm.
> >
> > Operators nationwide are encouraged to review their security procedures
> > and reinforce their security policies on a regular basis. NATA Members
> > should review the TSA's Security Guidelines for General Aviation
> > Airports
> > (http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1113.xml). Any
> > suspicious activity should be reported immediately to the Airport Watch
> > Hotline at (866) GA SECURE.
> >
> > The account of the August 11 incident, provided by the director of the
> > St. Louis Downtown Airport follows:
> >
> > "Earlier today two Middle Eastern men attempted to penetrate our
> > security. They telephoned one of my helicopter FBOs and asked about a
> > charter flight. After discussion of price and directions to the
> > business, they arrived an hour later. When the office agent asked how
> > they were going to pay for the flight they produced cash. When asked for
> > ID, they produced driver's licenses from two different states and they
> > were driving a car licensed in a third state.
> >
> > Things didn't smell right so the mechanic took them into the hangar to
> > see the aircraft while the office person called the FBI and local
> > police. The helicopter they were going to fly was blocked in by other
> > aircraft so the mechanic was able to stall them by having to slowly
> > shuffle the blocking planes. Meanwhile the two men got their backpacks
> > and odd-shaped luggage out of their car. Soon the local police arrived
> > and they were hauled off to jail in handcuffs.
> >
> > After a little time behind bars, the FBI verified that the two men were
> > employed by NBC New York and were on assignment to get a story of how
> > easy it is to charter a helicopter for a terrorist attack. The men had
> > stayed in a local hotel and purchased box cutters, leather-man knives,
> > and other potential weapons at the local Wal-Mart using a credit card.
> > The box cutters had been hidden in the lining at the bottom of the
> > backpacks and the other weapons were hidden throughout their baggage.
> > They had audio taped the telephone conversation with Arlene and were
> > going to use it as part of a national news story about how easy it is to
> > get information and directions to the location of the helicopter and
> > then hijack it to commit a terrorist attack.
> >
> > I doubt they will be back at our airport soon and this is a story that
> > will never be seen since they were caught. A very "well-done" to my FBO
> > and staff and the local FBI and police response forces. We have since
> > learned that we were the first airport where this had been attempted and
> > NBC planned to attempt similar penetration stories around the country.
> > Please help me spread the word to other airports."
> >
> > For additional information contact:
> >
> > Beth Van Emburgh Manager, Government & Industry Affairs
> > bvanemburgh@nata-online.org
> > To unsubscribe from these newsletters please click here
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com>
Just down the road or lake whatever way you choose was the local EAA
chapter, just northwest of Laurie, MO. They have a nice grass strip and a
bunch of homebuilts. If I had known you were going to the Lake, I would have
told you to fly over "party cove" where the women would have saluted you by
taking off their tops, that is if they had them on in the first place. Due
to a court decision last year, as soon as the boat leaves the dock,
toplessness and bottomlessness I think is legally protected.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: <Rcaprd@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Back in Wichita
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
>
> On Tuesday evening 8/10, I landed at Otten Memorial airport, town of
> Versailles, Mo., and a guy cleaning up his Cessna 190 after Oshkosh,
helped me
> re-fuel. I asked him if it would be all right to pitch my tent there, but
then
> offered me a ride to the motel. Suddenly, a hot shower, clean bed, and a
look
> at the Weather Channel became worth fifty bucks, and I loaded up my bags
in
> his back seat. After getting a full belly, scrub, and relaxing on the
bed, I
> looked at the charts without my glasses on, and I saw what looked like
blue
> scrambled eggs, just to the south of my proposed course. I put my glasses
on, and
> discovered it was The Lake of the Ozarks !! Ah ha !! New flight plan !!
I
> highlighted every tower, and power line on the chart, flight planning a
low
> and slow flight south, then west, through the Lake of the Ozarks. The sky
was
> overcast at 5000', but it proved to be an incredible visual experience
over the
> many many fingers of that lake all over. So many docks, boats, and quite
a
> few big motels right on the tips of the peninsulas. I could tell this was
a
> weekday, because there just wasn't enough people around to accommodate the
vast
> quantity of docks, and boats at anchor. There is also a sea port, but I
> couldn't spot any planes at anchor. I really didn't get down as low as I
planned
> on...no place to land just gives me the Hiebie Jiebie's !! Then continued
west
> over the Truman Dam and Reservoir, and there just wasn't hardly any docks
or
> anything down there. Continued west to Eureka for fuel, and to put the
last
> bottle of baby oil in. That was my longest leg - 3.3 hours.
> Just to let the locals know I was back, I did a smoke run at Benton,
and
> Gliderport, before continuing south to Cook. About 2 miles out, on
approach
> to cross midfield at Cook, I noticed the whole parking lot was full of
> cars...Jumpers !! I looked over midfield and saw 3 of them under canopy
!! I peeled
> of to the right, to approach downwind from the north. I landed at Cook
> Airfield, at 6:55...in the evening, that is. I kicked 'er around in front
of my
> hanger, and shut down. I sat there a few moments to collect my thoughts,
and
> thank the good Lord for a safe journey, and felt a little melancholy,
> realizing the journey has come to a conclusion.
>
> Chuck Gantzer
> NX770CG
> p.s. I have lots of flying stories to tell !!
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com>
........If I had known you were going to the Lake, I would have
told you to fly over "party cove" where the women would have saluted you by
taking off their tops, that is if they had them on in the first place. Due
to a court decision last year, as soon as the boat leaves the dock,
toplessness and bottomlessness I think is legally protected.
It will probably be a while before Chuck answers this email.......he's probably
in the aire somewhere between Wichita and Lake of the Ozarks right now......
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WWAAAAHHHAAAA!!! HHAAAAAA!!! HHOOOOO!!! HOOO!!!
THAT'S HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is true...he doesn't have to be back to work 'til monday!
:))
Do not Archive
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Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:35:58 -0500
John, I have to disagree with you. NBC is looking to make their own news not report
it. This is a slap in the face to General Aviation. They continue to look
at the smaller aircraft that can only do relatively minor damage. Remember
this started by Hijackers taking Large Airliners, NOT small helicoptors or Cessnas.
Has NBC done a story on how easy it is to rent a Ryder truck???? Have
they done a story on how good the security is at your local bank? Put another
way, If your dog poops on the floor do you spank your kids? My old junk pickup
can carry far more than a small aircraft and do considerable more damage.
Have you been paying attention to Iraq, some of the major damage done there
are with car bombs. Cars not even trucks. I hope those two get some real jail
time and NBC get hit with some hefty fines.
Jim Dallas
----- Original Message -----
From: John Ford
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
I hope NBC has the guts to run the story anyway, demonstrating how it
isn't such a piece of cake to hijack a helicopter after all. What they
did is something that probably needed to be done, assuming they run the
story. If they don't run the story, then they have zero integrity. I
don't normally watch TV news, so if anybody sees this run (or a promo
for it) then let me know because I'd like to see how they handle it.
John (the former TV journalist)
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> sbobka@charter.net Friday, August 13, 2004 12:48:24 PM >>>
----- Original Message -----
From: info@nationalairtour.org
To: bobka@charter.net
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 7:31 AM
Subject: NBC News Practices Terrorism
Subscriber Bulletin
Here at the Aviation Foundation of America (National Air Tour) we are
concerned about the preservation and sharing of America's great aviation
heritage. Acts of terrorism threaten our aviation heritage and we need
to guard against them.
Today we received notification of another act of "terrorism", this one
was conducted by NBC NEWS. NBC, acting as terrorists, tried to create
their own act of terror for the sake of creating yet another
anti-aviation news story.
We have received the e-mail below describing NBC's abuse of taxpayers'
money and tying up law enforcement for the sake of their own agenda. It
appears we not only have to be watching for terrorists at our airports
but also for NBC News. In the final analysis they are attempting just
another version of "terror" themselves.
Please read the e-mail below and forward it to anyone you feel would be
interested.
Original Message:
From: "Celeste Clark"
To: NATA Membership
Subject: NATA Member SPECIAL NOTICE
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:58:03 -0400
**Special NATA Member Notice**
ATTEMPTED SECURITY BREACH AT GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT
In an effort to show allegedly lax security procedures, NBC News
attempted to penetrate a charter helicopter operation at St. Louis
Downtown Airport on Wednesday, August 11th.
The attempt was brought to a halt, and the individuals were
apprehended.
Though this breach of security was stopped, it was indicated that NBC
and other news agencies might attempt to repeat their efforts at other
facilities around the country.
NATA urges operators to continue to be on the alert for security
breaches by news agencies "testing the waters" and, more importantly,
actual terrorist organizations or individuals intent on doing harm.
Operators nationwide are encouraged to review their security procedures
and reinforce their security policies on a regular basis. NATA Members
should review the TSA's Security Guidelines for General Aviation
Airports
(http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1113.xml). Any
suspicious activity should be reported immediately to the Airport Watch
Hotline at (866) GA SECURE.
The account of the August 11 incident, provided by the director of the
St. Louis Downtown Airport follows:
"Earlier today two Middle Eastern men attempted to penetrate our
security. They telephoned one of my helicopter FBOs and asked about a
charter flight. After discussion of price and directions to the
business, they arrived an hour later. When the office agent asked how
they were going to pay for the flight they produced cash. When asked for
ID, they produced driver's licenses from two different states and they
were driving a car licensed in a third state.
Things didn't smell right so the mechanic took them into the hangar to
see the aircraft while the office person called the FBI and local
police. The helicopter they were going to fly was blocked in by other
aircraft so the mechanic was able to stall them by having to slowly
shuffle the blocking planes. Meanwhile the two men got their backpacks
and odd-shaped luggage out of their car. Soon the local police arrived
and they were hauled off to jail in handcuffs.
After a little time behind bars, the FBI verified that the two men were
employed by NBC New York and were on assignment to get a story of how
easy it is to charter a helicopter for a terrorist attack. The men had
stayed in a local hotel and purchased box cutters, leather-man knives,
and other potential weapons at the local Wal-Mart using a credit card.
The box cutters had been hidden in the lining at the bottom of the
backpacks and the other weapons were hidden throughout their baggage.
They had audio taped the telephone conversation with Arlene and were
going to use it as part of a national news story about how easy it is to
get information and directions to the location of the helicopter and
then hijack it to commit a terrorist attack.
I doubt they will be back at our airport soon and this is a story that
will never be seen since they were caught. A very "well-done" to my FBO
and staff and the local FBI and police response forces. We have since
learned that we were the first airport where this had been attempted and
NBC planned to attempt similar penetration stories around the country.
Please help me spread the word to other airports."
For additional information contact:
Beth Van Emburgh Manager, Government & Industry Affairs
bvanemburgh@nata-online.org
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.net" <tmbrant1@netzero.net>
Greg,
I should have some 10 and 12 ga. carbon steel. I work with several fabricators
who I've made friends with over the years. I usually buy lunch for them and
they'll do some butting and bending for me with their cut-offs that they have
on hand.
I'm thinking the brackets for the tail section could be 12 ga. The plans call
for 12 and 13 ga. and back in the day they didn't have 4130 and it worked just
fine. Bill Rewey's entire plane uses plain old carbon steel for all the fittings
I believe. I may do as he did also and make elevator / aileron horns out
of flat sheet material instead of the formed / welded called for in the plans...
Just seems simpler.
I'd be happy to have you and Dale drop by for a look at the project so far. Of
course I'd take full advantage of the situation and pick your brains until you
were begging to go home.
Tom B.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
Tom,
If you saw the works of art the built up horns are once they are done.....
I would stick with the plans. Plans call for steel. Just make sure the
steel is COLD ROLLED and not hot rolled. Hot rolled is too soft and would
be unsafe.
chris
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From: <tmbrant1@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: attachment of horizontal stab
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.net"
<tmbrant1@netzero.net>
>
>
> Greg,
>
> I should have some 10 and 12 ga. carbon steel. I work with several
fabricators who I've made friends with over the years. I usually buy lunch
for them and they'll do some butting and bending for me with their cut-offs
that they have on hand.
>
> I'm thinking the brackets for the tail section could be 12 ga. The plans
call for 12 and 13 ga. and back in the day they didn't have 4130 and it
worked just fine. Bill Rewey's entire plane uses plain old carbon steel for
all the fittings I believe. I may do as he did also and make elevator /
aileron horns out of flat sheet material instead of the formed / welded
called for in the plans... Just seems simpler.
>
> I'd be happy to have you and Dale drop by for a look at the project so
far. Of course I'd take full advantage of the situation and pick your
brains until you were begging to go home.
>
> Tom B.
>
>
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