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1. 06:09 AM - Pee tube (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
2. 09:31 AM - Re: Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism (Ken Chambers)
3. 09:49 AM - formula for arc for instrument panels and turtledeck curves (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
4. 01:00 PM - formula for arc (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 01:09 PM - Re: formula for arc (Jim Markle)
6. 02:17 PM - Re: Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism (N925WB1@aol.com)
7. 03:17 PM - Re:formula for arc (Michael Green)
8. 05:16 PM - Re: Hurricane Charley (Bert Conoly)
9. 06:38 PM - Re: Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism (John Ford)
10. 06:40 PM - Re: Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism (John Ford)
11. 06:55 PM - Re: Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism (John Ford)
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
The ground communications tube comming threw the belly of the Beechcraft
reminded me a story an old high school friends dad once told me. He was
an A and P in Africa or Italy during WW 2 working on British Spitfires
that were flown by american pilots. These planes were notorious for
springing coolant leaks. The old hands told the newbies that the only
way to tell if the coolant was leaking was to lick the belly of the
plane. If the taste was sweet you had a glycol leak. If it tasted
salty......they usually figured it out. Leon S. PS how did out Florida
Pieters come threw the hurricane? Way to go Chck! Do not archive
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Subject: | Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism |
Jim
I agree that cars and trucks being more dangerous than light aircraft in the
hands of a terrorist. But these news guys make a living by entertaining as
much as informing. And hijacked helicopters make much more entertaining
television than hijacked pickups.
Not saying it makes sense. Just the way it is in the news business - now
more than ever. They have to watch their ratings so they look for sexy
stories that boost their ratings. To me, most of the news these days seems
more geared to conflict, sensationalism, and entertainment than to informing
the public. So the helicopter episode doesn't surprise me.
Ken in Austin, trying to figure out how to make my turtle deck a couple of
inches taller and still look good.
Do not archive
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism
John, I have to disagree with you. NBC is looking to make their own news
not report it. This is a slap in the face to General Aviation. They
continue to look at the smaller aircraft that can only do relatively minor
damage. Remember this started by Hijackers taking Large Airliners, NOT
small helicoptors or Cessnas. Has NBC done a story on how easy it is to
rent a Ryder truck???? Have they done a story on how good the security is
at your local bank? Put another way, If your dog poops on the floor do you
spank your kids? My old junk pickup can carry far more than a small
aircraft and do considerable more damage. Have you been paying attention to
Iraq, some of the major damage done there are with car bombs. Cars not even
trucks. I hope those two get some real jail time and NBC get hit with some
hefty fines.
Jim Dallas
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From: John Ford <mailto:Jford@indstate.edu>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
I hope NBC has the guts to run the story anyway, demonstrating how it
isn't such a piece of cake to hijack a helicopter after all. What they
did is something that probably needed to be done, assuming they run the
story. If they don't run the story, then they have zero integrity. I
don't normally watch TV news, so if anybody sees this run (or a promo
for it) then let me know because I'd like to see how they handle it.
John (the former TV journalist)
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> sbobka@charter.net Friday, August 13, 2004 12:48:24 PM >>>
----- Original Message -----
From: info@nationalairtour.org
Subject: NBC News Practices Terrorism
Subscriber Bulletin
Here at the Aviation Foundation of America (National Air Tour) we are
concerned about the preservation and sharing of America's great aviation
heritage. Acts of terrorism threaten our aviation heritage and we need
to guard against them.
Today we received notification of another act of "terrorism", this one
was conducted by NBC NEWS. NBC, acting as terrorists, tried to create
their own act of terror for the sake of creating yet another
anti-aviation news story.
We have received the e-mail below describing NBC's abuse of taxpayers'
money and tying up law enforcement for the sake of their own agenda. It
appears we not only have to be watching for terrorists at our airports
but also for NBC News. In the final analysis they are attempting just
another version of "terror" themselves.
Please read the e-mail below and forward it to anyone you feel would be
interested.
Original Message:
From: "Celeste Clark"
Subject: NATA Member SPECIAL NOTICE
**Special NATA Member Notice**
ATTEMPTED SECURITY BREACH AT GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT
In an effort to show allegedly lax security procedures, NBC News
attempted to penetrate a charter helicopter operation at St. Louis
Downtown Airport on Wednesday, August 11th.
The attempt was brought to a halt, and the individuals were
apprehended.
Though this breach of security was stopped, it was indicated that NBC
and other news agencies might attempt to repeat their efforts at other
facilities around the country.
NATA urges operators to continue to be on the alert for security
breaches by news agencies "testing the waters" and, more importantly,
actual terrorist organizations or individuals intent on doing harm.
Operators nationwide are encouraged to review their security procedures
and reinforce their security policies on a regular basis. NATA Members
should review the TSA's Security Guidelines for General Aviation
Airports
(http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1113.xml). Any
suspicious activity should be reported immediately to the Airport Watch
Hotline at (866) GA SECURE.
The account of the August 11 incident, provided by the director of the
St. Louis Downtown Airport follows:
"Earlier today two Middle Eastern men attempted to penetrate our
security. They telephoned one of my helicopter FBOs and asked about a
charter flight. After discussion of price and directions to the
business, they arrived an hour later. When the office agent asked how
they were going to pay for the flight they produced cash. When asked for
ID, they produced driver's licenses from two different states and they
were driving a car licensed in a third state.
Things didn't smell right so the mechanic took them into the hangar to
see the aircraft while the office person called the FBI and local
police. The helicopter they were going to fly was blocked in by other
aircraft so the mechanic was able to stall them by having to slowly
shuffle the blocking planes. Meanwhile the two men got their backpacks
and odd-shaped luggage out of their car. Soon the local police arrived
and they were hauled off to jail in handcuffs.
After a little time behind bars, the FBI verified that the two men were
employed by NBC New York and were on assignment to get a story of how
easy it is to charter a helicopter for a terrorist attack. The men had
stayed in a local hotel and purchased box cutters, leather-man knives,
and other potential weapons at the local Wal-Mart using a credit card.
The box cutters had been hidden in the lining at the bottom of the
backpacks and the other weapons were hidden throughout their baggage.
They had audio taped the telephone conversation with Arlene and were
going to use it as part of a national news story about how easy it is to
get information and directions to the location of the helicopter and
then hijack it to commit a terrorist attack.
I doubt they will be back at our airport soon and this is a story that
will never be seen since they were caught. A very "well-done" to my FBO
and staff and the local FBI and police response forces. We have since
learned that we were the first airport where this had been attempted and
NBC planned to attempt similar penetration stories around the country.
Please help me spread the word to other airports."
For additional information contact:
Beth Van Emburgh Manager, Government & Industry Affairs
bvanemburgh@nata-online.org
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Subject: | formula for arc for instrument panels and turtledeck curves |
I had been trying to figure out how to lay out the instrument panels and turtle
deck curves for a while, but couldn't figure out the radii, especially when there
were changes in width of the arc or height of it. Actually, I have been wanting
a formula to do this for some time.
One of the nail benders at work last week knew the formula and he shared it
with me. Works like a charm. it is:
the width of the arc squared plus the height of the arc squared, divided by the
width of the arc.
I drilled a 1 X 2 out for a round pencil and cut a slot so it would fit snugly
then just drove a finishing nail through the 1 X 2 the distance from the point
to the correct radius. Works great and is free!
Dennis
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Dennis wrote-
>the width of the arc squared plus the height of the arc squared,
>divided by the width of the arc.
Dennis, please clarify. I tried this with a 24" wide cockpit (24" wide
arc), 6" high. That's (576+36)/24 and it yields a radius of 25-1/2"...
which doesn't compute. The resulting arc actually has a radius of 15".
What'd I do wrong?
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: formula for arc |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
I'll bet there's also a way to do it with a circle of string and two
nails.....
Hmmm, a changing radius....pretty close to an elipse, right?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: formula for arc
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Dennis wrote-
>
> >the width of the arc squared plus the height of the arc squared,
> >divided by the width of the arc.
>
> Dennis, please clarify. I tried this with a 24" wide cockpit (24" wide
> arc), 6" high. That's (576+36)/24 and it yields a radius of 25-1/2"...
> which doesn't compute. The resulting arc actually has a radius of 15".
> What'd I do wrong?
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism |
As a young person (25) it simply saddens me that our media giants feel it is
necessary to scare their viewers. Why not run a story that makes people
happy about airplanes, and life in general? Send an NBC reporter to the home
of
anyone on this list who's actively building their airplane, and do a special
on how aviation brings people closer together. Do a story about the
community that is the local airport. Just do something that's intended to make
people feel good, not scared. One more reason why all those evening "news
journal" shows have no appeal to so many in my generation.
I've yet to meet a person in aviation that I would consider to be a "bad"
person. We're a small group in a land of so many, but I know that ours are
some of the best people out there.
-Wayne
Eventually I'll build a Piet...
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Subject: | Re: formula for arc |
I did a lot of head scratching on this one. ( I raised the turtle deck 1" above
plans.) Here's the formula I found on the web. Works a treat!
http://www.josephfusco.org/Tips/tip0018.html
Mike Green
Romsey,
Victoria
AUSTRALIA
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Subject: | Re: Hurricane Charley |
Pieters
Lets don't forget that some of our listers live in south florida (and the eastern
seaboard) and may have been impacted by the hurricane. Has anybody heard from
Ted Brousseau or Dick Gillespie (Naples and Ft. Myers I think) - maybe some
others I am leaving out?
If you have heard from them, please let us (me) know - I'm not gonna call and
load up the telephone circuits.
There have been a lot of people impacted whose lives will be forever changed.
Lets remember them in our thoughts and prayers.
Bert
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Subject: | Re: Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism |
Jim,
I partially agree with you. The proper way to do it would have been to
coordinate with the FAA and DHS, as those agencies do spot checks (which
they do). The reporters did not do anything illegal, and were stopped
based upon racial/ethnic profiling (which is problematic at best - Tim
McVeigh wouldn't have caught ANYONE'S attention) In that, I almost
think NBC wanted them to get hassled. I agree that NBC was trying to
get a scoop. I think their scoop is that GA is keenly interested in
securing our aircraft from terrorist and other nefarious activities, and
that the "airport watch" model works better than any rent-a-cop ever
could. I believe it's useful for network television to learn the hard
way that GA isn't going to be the problem, if they will actually report
it that way rather than try to freak everybody out like they normally do
anymore. To take it a step further, I think there are remarkably few
real terrorist threats to our safety, regardless of what the government
would like us to believe. It does trouble me greatly that we're focused
on looking for ghosts over here while we're making ghosts out of our
kids (and their kids) over there. If newsrooms were funded worth a crap
by the mega-corporations that own them, then these guys would have been
able to do actual research and reporting on actual problems instead of
the "easy" story that doesn't cost anything but looks sexy. THAT's why
TV news in America sucks so bad... And... GA passed the test...
/end soapbox mode
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> BEC176@msn.com Friday, August 13, 2004 10:35:58 PM >>>
John, I have to disagree with you. NBC is looking to make their own
news not report it. This is a slap in the face to General Aviation.
They continue to look at the smaller aircraft that can only do
relatively minor damage. Remember this started by Hijackers taking
Large Airliners, NOT small helicoptors or Cessnas. Has NBC done a story
on how easy it is to rent a Ryder truck???? Have they done a story on
how good the security is at your local bank? Put another way, If your
dog poops on the floor do you spank your kids? My old junk pickup can
carry far more than a small aircraft and do considerable more damage.
Have you been paying attention to Iraq, some of the major damage done
there are with car bombs. Cars not even trucks. I hope those two get
some real jail time and NBC get hit with some hefty fines.
Jim Dallas
----- Original Message -----
From: John Ford
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
I hope NBC has the guts to run the story anyway, demonstrating how it
isn't such a piece of cake to hijack a helicopter after all. What
they
did is something that probably needed to be done, assuming they run
the
story. If they don't run the story, then they have zero integrity. I
don't normally watch TV news, so if anybody sees this run (or a promo
for it) then let me know because I'd like to see how they handle it.
John (the former TV journalist)
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> sbobka@charter.net Friday, August 13, 2004 12:48:24 PM >>>
----- Original Message -----
From: info@nationalairtour.org
Subject: NBC News Practices Terrorism
Subscriber Bulletin
Here at the Aviation Foundation of America (National Air Tour) we are
concerned about the preservation and sharing of America's great
aviation
heritage. Acts of terrorism threaten our aviation heritage and we need
to guard against them.
Today we received notification of another act of "terrorism", this one
was conducted by NBC NEWS. NBC, acting as terrorists, tried to create
their own act of terror for the sake of creating yet another
anti-aviation news story.
We have received the e-mail below describing NBC's abuse of taxpayers'
money and tying up law enforcement for the sake of their own agenda.
It
appears we not only have to be watching for terrorists at our airports
but also for NBC News. In the final analysis they are attempting just
another version of "terror" themselves.
Please read the e-mail below and forward it to anyone you feel would
be
interested.
Original Message:
From: "Celeste Clark"
Subject: NATA Member SPECIAL NOTICE
**Special NATA Member Notice**
ATTEMPTED SECURITY BREACH AT GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT
In an effort to show allegedly lax security procedures, NBC News
attempted to penetrate a charter helicopter operation at St. Louis
Downtown Airport on Wednesday, August 11th.
The attempt was brought to a halt, and the individuals were
apprehended.
Though this breach of security was stopped, it was indicated that NBC
and other news agencies might attempt to repeat their efforts at other
facilities around the country.
NATA urges operators to continue to be on the alert for security
breaches by news agencies "testing the waters" and, more importantly,
actual terrorist organizations or individuals intent on doing harm.
Operators nationwide are encouraged to review their security
procedures
and reinforce their security policies on a regular basis. NATA Members
should review the TSA's Security Guidelines for General Aviation
Airports
(http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1113.xml). Any
suspicious activity should be reported immediately to the Airport
Watch
Hotline at (866) GA SECURE.
The account of the August 11 incident, provided by the director of the
St. Louis Downtown Airport follows:
"Earlier today two Middle Eastern men attempted to penetrate our
security. They telephoned one of my helicopter FBOs and asked about a
charter flight. After discussion of price and directions to the
business, they arrived an hour later. When the office agent asked how
they were going to pay for the flight they produced cash. When asked
for
ID, they produced driver's licenses from two different states and they
were driving a car licensed in a third state.
Things didn't smell right so the mechanic took them into the hangar to
see the aircraft while the office person called the FBI and local
police. The helicopter they were going to fly was blocked in by other
aircraft so the mechanic was able to stall them by having to slowly
shuffle the blocking planes. Meanwhile the two men got their backpacks
and odd-shaped luggage out of their car. Soon the local police arrived
and they were hauled off to jail in handcuffs.
After a little time behind bars, the FBI verified that the two men
were
employed by NBC New York and were on assignment to get a story of how
easy it is to charter a helicopter for a terrorist attack. The men had
stayed in a local hotel and purchased box cutters, leather-man knives,
and other potential weapons at the local Wal-Mart using a credit card.
The box cutters had been hidden in the lining at the bottom of the
backpacks and the other weapons were hidden throughout their baggage.
They had audio taped the telephone conversation with Arlene and were
going to use it as part of a national news story about how easy it is
to
get information and directions to the location of the helicopter and
then hijack it to commit a terrorist attack.
I doubt they will be back at our airport soon and this is a story that
will never be seen since they were caught. A very "well-done" to my
FBO
and staff and the local FBI and police response forces. We have since
learned that we were the first airport where this had been attempted
and
NBC planned to attempt similar penetration stories around the country.
Please help me spread the word to other airports."
For additional information contact:
Beth Van Emburgh Manager, Government & Industry Affairs
bvanemburgh@nata-online.org
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Subject: | Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism |
Ken,
I'm sure you'll still look great no matter how tall your turtledeck is...
John
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> ken@prototype-ideas.com Saturday, August 14, 2004 11:31:23 AM >>>
Jim I agree that cars and trucks being more dangerous than light aircraft in the
hands of a terrorist. But these news guys make a living by entertaining as much
as informing. And hijacked helicopters make much more entertaining television
than hijacked pickups. Not saying it makes sense. Just the way it is in the
news business * now more than ever. They have to watch their ratings so they
look for sexy stories that boost their ratings. To me, most of the news these
days seems more geared to conflict, sensationalism, and entertainment than to
informing the public. So the helicopter episode doesn't surprise me. Ken in
Austin, trying to figure out how to make my turtle deck a couple of inches taller
and still look good. Do not archive
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism
John, I have to disagree with you. NBC is looking to make their own news not
report it. This is a slap in the face to General Aviation. They continue to
look at the smaller aircraft that can only do relatively minor damage. Remember
this started by Hijackers taking Large Airliners, NOT small helicoptors or
Cessnas. Has NBC done a story on how easy it is to rent a Ryder truck???? Have
they done a story on how good the security is at your local bank? Put another
way, If your dog poops on the floor do you spank your kids? My old junk
pickup can carry far more than a small aircraft and do considerable more damage.
Have you been paying attention to Iraq, some of the major damage done there
are with car bombs. Cars not even trucks. I hope those two get some real jail
time and NBC get hit with some hefty fines.
Jim Dallas
----- Original Message -----
From: John Ford
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
I hope NBC has the guts to run the story anyway, demonstrating how it
isn't such a piece of cake to hijack a helicopter after all. What they
did is something that probably needed to be done, assuming they run the
story. If they don't run the story, then they have zero integrity. I
don't normally watch TV news, so if anybody sees this run (or a promo
for it) then let me know because I'd like to see how they handle it.
John (the former TV journalist)
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> sbobka@charter.net Friday, August 13, 2004 12:48:24 PM >>>
----- Original Message -----
From: info@nationalairtour.org
Subject: NBC News Practices Terrorism
Subscriber Bulletin
Here at the Aviation Foundation of America (National Air Tour) we are
concerned about the preservation and sharing of America's great aviation
heritage. Acts of terrorism threaten our aviation heritage and we need
to guard against them.
Today we received notification of another act of "terrorism", this one
was conducted by NBC NEWS. NBC, acting as terrorists, tried to create
their own act of terror for the sake of creating yet another
anti-aviation news story.
We have received the e-mail below describing NBC's abuse of taxpayers'
money and tying up law enforcement for the sake of their own agenda. It
appears we not only have to be watching for terrorists at our airports
but also for NBC News. In the final analysis they are attempting just
another version of "terror" themselves.
Please read the e-mail below and forward it to anyone you feel would be
interested.
Original Message:
From: "Celeste Clark"
Subject: NATA Member SPECIAL NOTICE
**Special NATA Member Notice**
ATTEMPTED SECURITY BREACH AT GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT
In an effort to show allegedly lax security procedures, NBC News
attempted to penetrate a charter helicopter operation at St. Louis
Downtown Airport on Wednesday, August 11th.
The attempt was brought to a halt, and the individuals were
apprehended.
Though this breach of security was stopped, it was indicated that NBC
and other news agencies might attempt to repeat their efforts at other
facilities around the country.
NATA urges operators to continue to be on the alert for security
breaches by news agencies "testing the waters" and, more importantly,
actual terrorist organizations or individuals intent on doing harm.
Operators nationwide are encouraged to review their security procedures
and reinforce their security policies on a regular basis. NATA Members
should review the TSA's Security Guidelines for General Aviation
Airports
(http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1113.xml). Any
suspicious activity should be reported immediately to the Airport Watch
Hotline at (866) GA SECURE.
The account of the August 11 incident, provided by the director of the
St. Louis Downtown Airport follows:
"Earlier today two Middle Eastern men attempted to penetrate our
security. They telephoned one of my helicopter FBOs and asked about a
charter flight. After discussion of price and directions to the
business, they arrived an hour later. When the office agent asked how
they were going to pay for the flight they produced cash. When asked for
ID, they produced driver's licenses from two different states and they
were driving a car licensed in a third state.
Things didn't smell right so the mechanic took them into the hangar to
see the aircraft while the office person called the FBI and local
police. The helicopter they were going to fly was blocked in by other
aircraft so the mechanic was able to stall them by having to slowly
shuffle the blocking planes. Meanwhile the two men got their backpacks
and odd-shaped luggage out of their car. Soon the local police arrived
and they were hauled off to jail in handcuffs.
After a little time behind bars, the FBI verified that the two men were
employed by NBC New York and were on assignment to get a story of how
easy it is to charter a helicopter for a terrorist attack. The men had
stayed in a local hotel and purchased box cutters, leather-man knives,
and other potential weapons at the local Wal-Mart using a credit card.
The box cutters had been hidden in the lining at the bottom of the
backpacks and the other weapons were hidden throughout their baggage.
They had audio taped the telephone conversation with Arlene and were
going to use it as part of a national news story about how easy it is to
get information and directions to the location of the helicopter and
then hijack it to commit a terrorist attack.
I doubt they will be back at our airport soon and this is a story that
will never be seen since they were caught. A very "well-done" to my FBO
and staff and the local FBI and police response forces. We have since
learned that we were the first airport where this had been attempted and
NBC planned to attempt similar penetration stories around the country.
Please help me spread the word to other airports."
For additional information contact:
Beth Van Emburgh Manager, Government & Industry Affairs
bvanemburgh@nata-online.org
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Subject: | Re: Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism |
And if I may add, let's not forget that it's our government that has
been telling us for the past couple of weeks that terrorists are looking
to use helicopters...
John
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> Jford@indstate.edu Saturday, August 14, 2004 8:37:33 PM >>>
Jim,
I partially agree with you. The proper way to do it would have been to
coordinate with the FAA and DHS, as those agencies do spot checks (which
they do). The reporters did not do anything illegal, and were stopped
based upon racial/ethnic profiling (which is problematic at best - Tim
McVeigh wouldn't have caught ANYONE'S attention) In that, I almost
think NBC wanted them to get hassled. I agree that NBC was trying to
get a scoop. I think their scoop is that GA is keenly interested in
securing our aircraft from terrorist and other nefarious activities, and
that the "airport watch" model works better than any rent-a-cop ever
could. I believe it's useful for network television to learn the hard
way that GA isn't going to be the problem, if they will actually report
it that way rather than try to freak everybody out like they normally do
anymore. To take it a step further, I think there are remarkably few
real terrorist threats to our safety, regardless of what the government
would like us to believe. It does trouble me greatly that we're focused
on looking for ghosts over here while we're making ghosts out of our
kids (and their kids) over there. If newsrooms were funded worth a crap
by the mega-corporations that own them, then these guys would have been
able to do actual research and reporting on actual problems instead of
the "easy" story that doesn't cost anything but looks sexy. THAT's why
TV news in America sucks so bad... And... GA passed the test...
/end soapbox mode
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> BEC176@msn.com Friday, August 13, 2004 10:35:58 PM >>>
John, I have to disagree with you. NBC is looking to make their own
news not report it. This is a slap in the face to General Aviation.
They continue to look at the smaller aircraft that can only do
relatively minor damage. Remember this started by Hijackers taking
Large Airliners, NOT small helicoptors or Cessnas. Has NBC done a story
on how easy it is to rent a Ryder truck???? Have they done a story on
how good the security is at your local bank? Put another way, If your
dog poops on the floor do you spank your kids? My old junk pickup can
carry far more than a small aircraft and do considerable more damage.
Have you been paying attention to Iraq, some of the major damage done
there are with car bombs. Cars not even trucks. I hope those two get
some real jail time and NBC get hit with some hefty fines.
Jim Dallas
----- Original Message -----
From: John Ford
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
I hope NBC has the guts to run the story anyway, demonstrating how it
isn't such a piece of cake to hijack a helicopter after all. What
they
did is something that probably needed to be done, assuming they run
the
story. If they don't run the story, then they have zero integrity. I
don't normally watch TV news, so if anybody sees this run (or a promo
for it) then let me know because I'd like to see how they handle it.
John (the former TV journalist)
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> sbobka@charter.net Friday, August 13, 2004 12:48:24 PM >>>
----- Original Message -----
From: info@nationalairtour.org
Subject: NBC News Practices Terrorism
Subscriber Bulletin
Here at the Aviation Foundation of America (National Air Tour) we are
concerned about the preservation and sharing of America's great
aviation
heritage. Acts of terrorism threaten our aviation heritage and we need
to guard against them.
Today we received notification of another act of "terrorism", this one
was conducted by NBC NEWS. NBC, acting as terrorists, tried to create
their own act of terror for the sake of creating yet another
anti-aviation news story.
We have received the e-mail below describing NBC's abuse of taxpayers'
money and tying up law enforcement for the sake of their own agenda.
It
appears we not only have to be watching for terrorists at our airports
but also for NBC News. In the final analysis they are attempting just
another version of "terror" themselves.
Please read the e-mail below and forward it to anyone you feel would
be
interested.
Original Message:
From: "Celeste Clark"
Subject: NATA Member SPECIAL NOTICE
**Special NATA Member Notice**
ATTEMPTED SECURITY BREACH AT GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT
In an effort to show allegedly lax security procedures, NBC News
attempted to penetrate a charter helicopter operation at St. Louis
Downtown Airport on Wednesday, August 11th.
The attempt was brought to a halt, and the individuals were
apprehended.
Though this breach of security was stopped, it was indicated that NBC
and other news agencies might attempt to repeat their efforts at other
facilities around the country.
NATA urges operators to continue to be on the alert for security
breaches by news agencies "testing the waters" and, more importantly,
actual terrorist organizations or individuals intent on doing harm.
Operators nationwide are encouraged to review their security
procedures
and reinforce their security policies on a regular basis. NATA Members
should review the TSA's Security Guidelines for General Aviation
Airports
(http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1113.xml). Any
suspicious activity should be reported immediately to the Airport
Watch
Hotline at (866) GA SECURE.
The account of the August 11 incident, provided by the director of the
St. Louis Downtown Airport follows:
"Earlier today two Middle Eastern men attempted to penetrate our
security. They telephoned one of my helicopter FBOs and asked about a
charter flight. After discussion of price and directions to the
business, they arrived an hour later. When the office agent asked how
they were going to pay for the flight they produced cash. When asked
for
ID, they produced driver's licenses from two different states and they
were driving a car licensed in a third state.
Things didn't smell right so the mechanic took them into the hangar to
see the aircraft while the office person called the FBI and local
police. The helicopter they were going to fly was blocked in by other
aircraft so the mechanic was able to stall them by having to slowly
shuffle the blocking planes. Meanwhile the two men got their backpacks
and odd-shaped luggage out of their car. Soon the local police arrived
and they were hauled off to jail in handcuffs.
After a little time behind bars, the FBI verified that the two men
were
employed by NBC New York and were on assignment to get a story of how
easy it is to charter a helicopter for a terrorist attack. The men had
stayed in a local hotel and purchased box cutters, leather-man knives,
and other potential weapons at the local Wal-Mart using a credit card.
The box cutters had been hidden in the lining at the bottom of the
backpacks and the other weapons were hidden throughout their baggage.
They had audio taped the telephone conversation with Arlene and were
going to use it as part of a national news story about how easy it is
to
get information and directions to the location of the helicopter and
then hijack it to commit a terrorist attack.
I doubt they will be back at our airport soon and this is a story that
will never be seen since they were caught. A very "well-done" to my
FBO
and staff and the local FBI and police response forces. We have since
learned that we were the first airport where this had been attempted
and
NBC planned to attempt similar penetration stories around the country.
Please help me spread the word to other airports."
For additional information contact:
Beth Van Emburgh Manager, Government & Industry Affairs
bvanemburgh@nata-online.org
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