Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 12:05 AM - Re: Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism (KTS5TA6@wmconnect.com)
2. 01:51 AM - Side Trusses and Empanage (Stacy Clark)
3. 06:26 AM - Re: formula for arc for instrument panels and turtledeck curves (Ed Grentzer)
4. 07:14 AM - Fw: Thinking about you (Isablcorky@aol.com)
5. 08:54 AM - Florida Pieters (Isablcorky@aol.com)
6. 09:02 AM - Re: Florida Pieters (Jack Phillips)
7. 10:31 AM - Re: Hurricane Charley (djv@imagedv.com)
8. 01:59 PM - Re: Hurricane Charley (John Ford)
9. 03:02 PM - Re: Florida Pieters (Carl D. Vought)
10. 03:41 PM - Re: formula for arc for instrument panels and turtledeck curves (Ken Chambers)
11. 05:19 PM - Re: Florida Pieters (Laurits Larsen)
12. 06:45 PM - Re: Florida Pieters (Isablcorky@aol.com)
13. 07:20 PM - OT - NBC News Practices Terrorism (Jim Ash)
14. 07:51 PM - Greetings from SW Florida (Ted Brousseau)
15. 07:57 PM - Re: OT - NBC News Practices Terrorism (John Ford)
16. 08:48 PM - Re: Side Trusses and Empanage (tmbrant1@netzero.net)
17. 08:54 PM - Re: Side Trusses and Empanage (Catdesign)
18. 09:16 PM - Re: Side Trusses and Empanage (Stacy Clark)
19. 09:21 PM - Re: Hidden Agenda (Richard Navratil)
20. 09:23 PM - Re: formula for arc (Javier Cruz)
21. 09:38 PM - Re: Side Trusses and Empanage (Stacy Clark)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Fw: NBC News Practices Terrorism |
In a message dated 8/14/2004 8:39:13 PM Central Standard Time,
Jford@indstate.edu writes:
> I agree that NBC was trying to get a scoop.
I'm not too surprised. NBC was trying to get a story on for SWEEPS. August is
a rating period. Next SWEEPS is in November and then in February, again May.
The vicious cycle repeats 4 times each year. We might have similar attempts
by the media to this again. I spent a couple of decades working in television
news and teaching it at a private university here in Texas. This is how this
industry works. Do something sneaky and spectacular during SWEEPS, attract
viewers ... boost ratings and sell advertising based on the audience numbers.
If newsrooms were funded worth a crap by the mega-corporations that own them,
then these guys would have been able to do actual research and reporting on
actual problems instead of the "easy" story that doesn't cost anything but
looks sexy. THAT's why TV news in America sucks so bad...
Right on ... and another reason TV news is so bad is the FCC is allowing one
corporate giant to own 2 TV stations in the same town, thus they now "share"
their stories in order to be cheap. Television news is mostly entertainment
these days and sadly, couch potatoes who only get their "news" from TV have
difficulty separating the garbage they see in the news from the actual stories
that
might have some substance and ethical journalistic value. Edward R. Murrow,
we need you now more than ever.
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Side Trusses and Empanage |
I've started building the Bethel Belle (jigging the workbench actually). I have
noticed a discrepancy in the side truss widths I've received from AS&S vs. the
plans. The plans call for 1"x7/8" for many of the trusses. The ones I received
from AS&S are 1"x3/4" (based on their "Modernized Pietenpol spruce kit).
I assume the world hasn't ended and someone's dealt with this before. Any words
of wisdom?
Also, the empanage wood (which appear to be the correct widths according to the
AS&S list) I would guess needs to be routed vs. capstrip along the leading edges
(nope haven't looked in the other box yet).
Thanks,
Stacy
There is only one greater thing than to believe in the impossible...and that is
to achieve it -- Stacy Clark
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | formula for arc for instrument panels and turtledeck |
curves
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
Man...you guys get complicated...Not being the mathmatician type I just
followed the idea in plans...In the center bottom of page one Bernie shows
how to lay out the radius for the instrument panel by useing a 12 3/4 inch
radious. I think he uses this same radius for all the upper panels....To
raise my turtle deck 1 1/2" I layed out the width and height I wanted and a
centerline on my plywood... I marked a point on the C/L 12 3/4" ( Bernie's
radius) minus the 1 1/2" that I wanted to raise the deck. Then I measured
from the pivot point to the width marks ...marked this dimension on a stick
of wood and drilled drilled two holes ,,,one for a pencil point and the
other for a nail and swung the arch. I might have had to play with the pivot
point slightly to get it touch all three point( I don't remember) ( it's
probably that old timers disease(sp) again) But for the non mathmaticians
out there this backwoods method worked out perfectly for me and the radius
of the panel LOOKS just right..... Ed G
>From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: formula for arc for instrument panels and
>turtledeck curves
>Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:49:05 -0500
>
>I had been trying to figure out how to lay out the instrument panels and
>turtle deck curves for a while, but couldn't figure out the radii,
>especially when there were changes in width of the arc or height of it.
>Actually, I have been wanting a formula to do this for some time.
> One of the nail benders at work last week knew the formula and he
>shared it with me. Works like a charm. it is:
>the width of the arc squared plus the height of the arc squared, divided by
>the width of the arc.
> I drilled a 1 X 2 out for a round pencil and cut a slot so it would
>fit snugly then just drove a finishing nail through the 1 X 2 the distance
>from the point to the correct radius. Works great and is free!
>Dennis
http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Fwd: Thinking about you |
Pieters,
Some were worried about the Florida Pieters. Received this note from Ted this
morning. Haven't heard from Dick Gillespie.
Corky
From: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
Subject: Re: Thinking about you
Thanks for the thoughts Corky.
We only had a large citrus tree blown over. Got about 80 mph winds.
I couldn't get into the airport today because of lack of electricity. We just
got it back tonight at 9 PM. The hangars looked ok. I will check the planes
tomorrow. We were very lucky that it missed just to the north. I have Dick Gillespie's
GN-1 down here. Probably better here than where it was.
Ted
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: margdick@peganet.com ; nfn00979@naples.net ; flyboy_120@hotmail.com
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 1:16 PM
Subject: Thinking about you
Florida Pieters,
Isabelle and I hope you are battened down along with your Piets and can survive
this blow without any serious effects. Give us a report if convenient. Hope
the Fisherman is not out fishing
Isabelle and Corky
<META content"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" nameGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
Thanks for the thoughts Corky.
We only had a large citrus tree blown over.
Got about 80 mph winds.
I couldn't get into the airport today because of
lack of electricity. We just got it back tonight at 9 PM. The
hangars looked ok. I will check the planes tomorrow. We were very
lucky that it missed just to the north. I have Dick Gillespie's GN-1 down
here. Probably better here than where it was.
Ted
----- Original Message -----
From:
<A titleIsablcorky@aol.com ">Isablcorky@aol.com
To: <A titlemargdick@peganet.com ">margdick@peganet.com ; <A =20titlenfn00979@naples.net
">nfn00979@naples.net ; <A titleflyboy_120@hotmail.com
">flyboy_120@hotmail.com
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 1:16
PM
Subject: Thinking about you
Florida Pieters,
Isabelle and I hope you
are battened down along with your Piets and can survive this blow without=20any
serious effects. Give us a report if convenient. Hope the Fisherman is not out
fishing
Isabelle and
Corky
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Pieters,
Finally talked with the Gillespies in Fort Myers and they report a few trees
down, no electricity, broken water lines. Other than that a-ok. Dick was away
buying a chain saw. Ed Gentzler reported from Tampa a-ok and Ted in Naples the
same. Couldn't check inside his hangar for lack of power. Dick Gillespie had
only sold his GN about a week ago and I understand it's in Ted's hangar so all
seems to be happy endings.
Corky and Isabelle still cleaning and clearing from the June tornado
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Thanks for the update, Corky.
You better hurry up and clean up the mess from the June tornado. Looks like
Earl is heading for Louisiana.
Jack Phillips
Trying to dry out in North Carolina, where Alex,Bonnie, and Charley have
dumped over 9" of rain on my house in the last week and a half. Rainy days
make for good airplane building, though.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Isablcorky@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Florida Pieters
Pieters,
Finally talked with the Gillespies in Fort Myers and they report a few trees
down, no electricity, broken water lines. Other than that a-ok. Dick was
away buying a chain saw. Ed Gentzler reported from Tampa a-ok and Ted in
Naples the same. Couldn't check inside his hangar for lack of power. Dick
Gillespie had only sold his GN about a week ago and I understand it's in
Ted's hangar so all seems to be happy endings.
Corky and Isabelle still cleaning and clearing from the June tornado
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Hurricane Charley |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "djv@imagedv.com" <djv@imagedv.com>
I just got word from my ex-wife who lives with my 10yr old son in Port Charlotte.
They pretty much lost the house. The roof was ripped from the walls in all
the rooms except for one. lots of water damage.... bunch of stuff missing....
probably a few blocks away sitting somewhere.
They said the winds were so strong that it was popping thier ears. My ex-wife
said she was never so terrified as she was inside the house as it all went down.
They are currently without a home and will likely move up to Georgia to live with
her mom.
My son just left from visiting for the summer out here in AZ and within days of
his return he gets to see his roof ripped from the house....
The power and energy that hurricanes have is mind boggling.
DJ
-----Original message-----
From: "Bert Conoly" bconoly@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hurricane Charley
> Pieters
>
> Lets don't forget that some of our listers live in south florida (and > the eastern
seaboard) and may have been impacted by the hurricane. Has > anybody heard
from Ted Brousseau or Dick Gillespie (Naples and Ft. Myers > I think) - maybe
some others I am leaving out?
>
> If you have heard from them, please let us (me) know - I'm not gonna > call
and load up the telephone circuits.
>
> There have been a lot of people impacted whose lives will be forever > changed.
Lets remember them in our thoughts and prayers.
>
> Bert
>
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Hurricane Charley |
DJ,
Glad your son (and your ex-wife) made it through okay..
John
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> djv@imagedv.com Sunday, August 15, 2004 3:30:51 PM >>>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "djv@imagedv.com"
<djv@imagedv.com>
I just got word from my ex-wife who lives with my 10yr old son in Port
Charlotte. They pretty much lost the house. The roof was ripped from
the walls in all the rooms except for one. lots of water damage....
bunch of stuff missing.... probably a few blocks away sitting
somewhere.
They said the winds were so strong that it was popping thier ears. My
ex-wife said she was never so terrified as she was inside the house as
it all went down.
They are currently without a home and will likely move up to Georgia to
live with her mom.
My son just left from visiting for the summer out here in AZ and within
days of his return he gets to see his roof ripped from the house....
The power and energy that hurricanes have is mind boggling.
DJ
-----Original message-----
From: "Bert Conoly" bconoly@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hurricane Charley
> Pieters
>
> Lets don't forget that some of our listers live in south florida (and
> the eastern seaboard) and may have been impacted by the hurricane.
Has > anybody heard from Ted Brousseau or Dick Gillespie (Naples and Ft.
Myers > I think) - maybe some others I am leaving out?
>
> If you have heard from them, please let us (me) know - I'm not gonna
> call and load up the telephone circuits.
>
> There have been a lot of people impacted whose lives will be forever
> changed. Lets remember them in our thoughts and prayers.
>
> Bert
>
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
There was an "Earl" that showed up in Louisiana many years ago that a lot
of folks haven't gotten over yet!!! Carl Vought
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:01:54 -0400, "Jack Phillips"
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote :
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the update, Corky.
>
> You better hurry up and clean up the mess from the June tornado. Looks
like
> Earl is heading for Louisiana.
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> Trying to dry out in North Carolina, where Alex,Bonnie, and Charley have
> dumped over 9" of rain on my house in the last week and a half. Rainy
days
> make for good airplane building, though.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> Isablcorky@aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 11:54 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Florida Pieters
>
> Pieters,
>
> Finally talked with the Gillespies in Fort Myers and they report a few
trees
> down, no electricity, broken water lines. Other than that a-ok. Dick was
> away buying a chain saw. Ed Gentzler reported from Tampa a-ok and Ted in
> Naples the same. Couldn't check inside his hangar for lack of power. Dick
> Gillespie had only sold his GN about a week ago and I understand it's in
> Ted's hangar so all seems to be happy endings.
>
> Corky and Isabelle still cleaning and clearing from the June tornado
>
>
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | formula for arc for instrument panels and turtledeck |
curves
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Chambers" <ken@prototype-ideas.com>
Ed
I forget if I've seen any photos of your instrument panel and turtle decks.
Any available online?
Ken
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Grentzer
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: formula for arc for instrument panels and
turtledeck curves
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
Man...you guys get complicated...Not being the mathmatician type I just
followed the idea in plans...In the center bottom of page one Bernie shows
how to lay out the radius for the instrument panel by useing a 12 3/4 inch
radious. I think he uses this same radius for all the upper panels....To
raise my turtle deck 1 1/2" I layed out the width and height I wanted and a
centerline on my plywood... I marked a point on the C/L 12 3/4" ( Bernie's
radius) minus the 1 1/2" that I wanted to raise the deck. Then I measured
from the pivot point to the width marks ...marked this dimension on a stick
of wood and drilled drilled two holes ,,,one for a pencil point and the
other for a nail and swung the arch. I might have had to play with the pivot
point slightly to get it touch all three point( I don't remember) ( it's
probably that old timers disease(sp) again) But for the non mathmaticians
out there this backwoods method worked out perfectly for me and the radius
of the panel LOOKS just right..... Ed G
>From: "Dennis Engelkenjohn" <wingding@usmo.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: formula for arc for instrument panels and
>turtledeck curves
>Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:49:05 -0500
>
>I had been trying to figure out how to lay out the instrument panels and
>turtle deck curves for a while, but couldn't figure out the radii,
>especially when there were changes in width of the arc or height of it.
>Actually, I have been wanting a formula to do this for some time.
> One of the nail benders at work last week knew the formula and he
>shared it with me. Works like a charm. it is:
>the width of the arc squared plus the height of the arc squared, divided by
>the width of the arc.
> I drilled a 1 X 2 out for a round pencil and cut a slot so it would
>fit snugly then just drove a finishing nail through the 1 X 2 the distance
>from the point to the correct radius. Works great and is free!
>Dennis
http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Florida Pieters |
Still Here in Tavares FL,
Lucked out on Charley; we are about 40 miles NW of Orlando and had some heavy
rain and some pretty good gusts but NO DAMAGE !!
The Orlando airport had gusts to 105 mph and a fair amount of damage, so we are
very very fortunate and GRATEFUL for well being.
Lou Larsen
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 12:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Florida Pieters
Thanks for the update, Corky.
You better hurry up and clean up the mess from the June tornado. Looks like
Earl is heading for Louisiana.
Jack Phillips
Trying to dry out in North Carolina, where Alex,Bonnie, and Charley have dumped
over 9" of rain on my house in the last week and a half. Rainy days make for
good airplane building, though.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Isablcorky@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 11:54 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Florida Pieters
Pieters,
Finally talked with the Gillespies in Fort Myers and they report a few trees
down, no electricity, broken water lines. Other than that a-ok. Dick was away
buying a chain saw. Ed Gentzler reported from Tampa a-ok and Ted in Naples the
same. Couldn't check inside his hangar for lack of power. Dick Gillespie had
only sold his GN about a week ago and I understand it's in Ted's hangar so all
seems to be happy endings.
Corky and Isabelle still cleaning and clearing from the June tornado
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Florida Pieters |
Do Not archive
Carl,
I could tell you many stories about Uncle Earl both personal experiences and
hearsay. Earl was elected Lt Gov AFTER his brother Huey was shot. When the La.
scandals were exposed in the summer of 1939 the Gov went to the Fed pen in
Atlanta. The president of LSU went to a Fed prison farm in Tennessee but ole
uncle Earl came out as clean as slick willie. The night before the 39 Governor's
election Earl and Sam Jones his opponent bought 15 minutes alternate time on
all the La radio stations. It was the most fantastic, humorous bit of charges
and counter charges ever heard. Sam won, then " you are my sunshine "Jimmy
Davis won in 43 but Earl came back in 47. He promised every soul in Louisiana a
glass of buttermilk on inauguration day for their vote. I was teaching at LSU
that May 48 day and I assure you there were buttermilk stands every 200 feet on
the campus. Didn't see Uncle Earl again until I found myself in Chicago
playing tuba in a shrine band for the national convention. Had a date with a
beautiful yankee chick I had met by chance in nawlins the preceding Mardi Gras.
We
found ourselves in this Copacabana club on the near northside and who would you
believe was there being smothered with broads. Yep, Uncle Earl. He went on to
live a wild publized life while I settled down to the existence of a southern
gentlemen.
The one thing I remember he said which has always stuck with me." When you
are in politics, don't worry about what they are saying about you and talking
about, only worry when they stop talking about you".
P S I was the only KC in that Chicago parade.
Corky in La. where they have had a little politics. The worst was the
presidential election of 1876.
Do Not Archive
Please do not archive
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | OT - NBC News Practices Terrorism |
Understand in no uncertain terms that to a television broadcaster, you are
NOT the consumer, you are the product. The advertisers are their consumers.
Don't kid yourself otherwise. All the news, sports, movies, reality TV,
whatever, are vehicles to get you to watch. They'd be thrilled not to have
to spend any money on those shows you tune in to, but they have to compete
with something.
I gave up watching TV news in the summer of '99. While the networks were
interviewing John-John Kennedy's third grade teacher after he died, none of
the stations I saw happened to report the minor inconvenience that there
was a general strike in Jamaica and 9 people were dead.
If you want real news, turn off the TV and listen to BBC.
Jim Ash
At 8/15/2004 03:04 AM -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 8/14/2004 8:39:13 PM Central Standard Time,
>Jford@indstate.edu writes:
>
>>I agree that NBC was trying to get a scoop.
>
>
>I'm not too surprised. NBC was trying to get a story on for SWEEPS. August
>is a rating period. Next SWEEPS is in November and then in February, again
>May. The vicious cycle repeats 4 times each year. We might have similar
>attempts by the media to this again. I spent a couple of decades working
>in television news and teaching it at a private university here in Texas.
>This is how this industry works. Do something sneaky and spectacular
>during SWEEPS, attract viewers ... boost ratings and sell advertising
>based on the audience numbers.
>
>If newsrooms were funded worth a crap by the mega-corporations that own
>them, then these guys would have been able to do actual research and
>reporting on actual problems instead of the "easy" story that doesn't cost
>anything but looks sexy. THAT's why TV news in America sucks so bad...
>
>Right on ... and another reason TV news is so bad is the FCC is allowing
>one corporate giant to own 2 TV stations in the same town, thus they now
>"share" their stories in order to be cheap. Television news is mostly
>entertainment these days and sadly, couch potatoes who only get their
>"news" from TV have difficulty separating the garbage they see in the news
>from the actual stories that might have some substance and ethical
>journalistic value. Edward R. Murrow, we need you now more than ever.
>
>
Message 14
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Greetings from SW Florida |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau" <nfn00979@naples.net>
I just wanted to report that all the Pietenpols of SW Florida are in good
shape. So are the owners. I talked to Joe Fedelem and Dick Gillespie today
and all is well. Dick still doesn't have electricity. Joe and I went one
day without it. You can't believe how hot and humid it is down here right
after a hurricane goes through. But, I am not complaining. We were so
happy to have only lost one big citrus tree that it didn't really matter.
We only got 75 mph winds here. A little more than I am used to getting in
the face while fly a Piet.
Now, it is back to making sawdust.
Ted Brousseau
Naples, FL
Message 15
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: OT - NBC News Practices Terrorism |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
AMEN to that!
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> ashcan@earthlink.net 8/15/2004 9:26:01 PM >>>
If you want real news, turn off the TV and listen to BBC.
Jim Ash
Message 16
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Side Trusses and Empanage |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "tmbrant1@netzero.net" <tmbrant1@netzero.net>
The longerons and many of the braces in the fuselage trusses are 1" sq. according
to the plans. I've heard of people using as small as 3/4" sq. though. I personally
used 1" X 7/8" since I had to plane my boards. The empenage can be
built up using cap strip on the leading edges or routing as you mention. I built
up my horiz. stab but then used a dado blade in the table saw for much of
the other tail section.
Either way works.
Tom B.
Message 17
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Side Trusses and Empanage |
Stacy
Reading the 1-19-33 Pietenpol plans the struts and braces #1, #7 to #14 are 3/4"
x 1" (Basically the back half of the fuselage) and #2 to #6 are 7/8" x 1" (See
note on Drawing 1). Looking at the GN-1 plans (what a lot of people call
the Modernized Pietenpol, when they should just refer to it as the GN-1), the
struts are listed as 1"x1" forward of the back seat and 3/4"x1" from there back.
Are you sure you don't have enough of the larger size? Try looking for extra
1"x1" stock. Not sure where Aircraft Spruce got their cut list for the Pietenpol
Air Camper, but it should be at least similar to the GN-1 kit they have
been selling for years. Hopefully you don't have a kit for the GN-1 because they
are slightly different. You did remember to order some extra wood didn't
you? I didn't and boy was it a bummer to have to pay shipping on a 7 foot piece
of wood.
The tail pieces can be routed or capstriped. I found the tips to be easier to
build by using capstrips and the leading and trailing edges by router method.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: Stacy Clark
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 1:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Side Trusses and Empanage
I've started building the Bethel Belle (jigging the workbench actually). I have
noticed a discrepancy in the side truss widths I've received from AS&S vs.
the plans. The plans call for 1"x7/8" for many of the trusses. The ones I received
from AS&S are 1"x3/4" (based on their "Modernized Pietenpol spruce kit).
I assume the world hasn't ended and someone's dealt with this before. Any
words of wisdom?
Also, the empanage wood (which appear to be the correct widths according to the
AS&S list) I would guess needs to be routed vs. capstrip along the leading
edges (nope haven't looked in the other box yet).
Thanks,
Stacy
There is only one greater thing than to believe in the impossible...and that
is to achieve it -- Stacy Clark
Message 18
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Side Trusses and Empanage |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Stacy Clark" <stacy@unicom-alaska.com>
Thanks Tom. Dado blade...good idea! I think I'll go that route as my table
saw is on the way up here now. Just finished jigging the entire workbench
today. I was able to fit all the jigs on two 4'x8''s. Not that I planned
it that way mind you, I just lucked out.
Another question about the empennage (for everyone): Do the gussets go all
the way to the outer edge as the plans "actually" show and then rounded out
to match the leading and trailing edges - or - do they tuck behind the
pre-routed edges? I can envision reasons for both ways (cosmetic vs. more
area glued).
Stacy
There is only one greater thing than to believe in the impossible...and that
is to achieve it -- Stacy Clark
Message 19
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Hidden Agenda |
Hi All
We just got back home and I'm wading thru the messages. One small correction here
Chris. A School Bus driver along with all commercial truck drivers has to
pass a physical similar to the 3rd class FAA every two years. In addition drivers
have to be in a pool to be randomly selected for drug and alcholol testing
at any time while employed. Drivers also have to undergo periodic US DOT training
and are subject to work hours limits similar to commercial pilots.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Christian Bobka
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hidden Agenda
Don't forget about my medicalless buddy who drove 60 kids on a school bus everyday
with nine bypasses on his heart yet could not fly a 1200 lb airplane by
himself....
I say if a medical has been denied in the past then the guy can still fly but
with no passengers. He would be LESS of a risk then than he would if he drove
a car on public highways...
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hidden Agenda
Leroy B,
Just having stayed 9 days at Oshkosh it's a miracle you have 2 cents left to
give us.
As a greatgrandfather many times with a valid driver's license I would deem
it a pleasure to ride with your mother.
If you can't see the hidden beauro agenda then no explanation is possible.
YKW
Message 20
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Javier Cruz <javcr@prodigy.net.mx>
Hi Friends
You can use any cad program for this, print the curves 1 to 1 size on
any printer and use it, was easy
Saludos
Javier Cruz
Message 21
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Side Trusses and Empanage |
Chris,
I haven't checked all the wood yet, been getting set up on the workbench. I do
have all of AS&S's lists for the GN-1, Modernized, and standard Piet. Their
invoice shows MOD PIETENPOL. It would be nice if I did have enough to plane some
7/8" but I highly doubt it. I talked with one of the A&P's that I share the
hanger with and his best guess is that 3/4" vs 7/8" wouldn't make a big difference...though
I'd certainly be more comfortable with the sides as per plans
(I'll be using an A65). Yes I did order some extra wood but more along the lines
of what Mike Cuy did to his Piet (higher turtle deck and rounded bottom).
BTW, I controlled at SAC Exec (as well as SQL and SJC) before going "North to Alaska."
Home's actually Manteca when I'm not up here "herding cats" (bush pilots)
:-)
Stacy
The Bethel Belle Project
Bethel, Alaska
There is only one greater thing than to believe in the impossible...and that is
to achieve it -- Stacy Clark
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|