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1. 06:17 AM - Re: Solo propping techniques??? (Larry Nelson)
2. 07:37 AM - Re: Another dumb question! (Larry Nelson)
3. 07:59 AM - Re: Another dumb question! (Jim Markle)
4. 08:24 AM - Re: Another dumb question! (Larry Nelson)
5. 09:48 AM - Re: Solo propping techniques??? (EPNGpilot@wmconnect.com)
6. 10:01 AM - Re: More Questions? (Larry Nelson)
7. 11:14 AM - trim (Oscar Zuniga)
8. 02:48 PM - Re: More Questions? (Carl D. Vought)
9. 06:04 PM - Re: Solo propping techniques??? (John McNarry)
10. 06:52 PM - What happened to the... (Christian Bobka)
11. 07:45 PM - Re: What happened to the... (Isablcorky@aol.com)
12. 09:48 PM - Re: I'm gonna make some copies of the old BPA newsletters... (John Carmen)
13. 10:50 PM - Re: Solo propping techniques??? (Ed Smith)
14. 11:31 PM - Re: I'm gonna make some copies of the old BPA (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: Solo propping techniques??? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
Has anyone devised a safe way to start up a Pietenpol
without any innocent bystanders offering their
assistance? Something that will work anywhere you
happen to land?
I am new to these machines and Chuck wouldn't give me
a ride in his at Brodhead (he indicated that I was way
too fat....but he did give my friend a ride).
I am wondering about the equivilent of a "kill
switch", where rotation of the wheels would yank out a
pin and ground the mag....hey, I am just thinking.
I am interested in what works and what has been done. Thanks.
=====
Larry Nelson
Springfield, MO
Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
1963 GMC 4106-1618
SV/ Spirit of America
ARS WB0JOT
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| Subject: | Re: Another dumb question! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
Why hasn't anyone invented a "micro-transponder/com"
or even just a "micro-transponder"???
I live and breath in Class C airspace. I believe I
need a transponder.
Maybe when Jim Younkin gets done inventing
micro-autopilots he will attack the portable
transponder issue.
=====
Larry Nelson
Springfield, MO
Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
1963 GMC 4106-1618
SV/ Spirit of America
ARS WB0JOT
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| Subject: | Re: Another dumb question! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
I suppose "micro" can be defined a number of ways....but one common "micro
transponder" used on Sailplanes is made by Microair. Nice small unit that
does the job but of course draws some fairly serious current and weighs 3
pounds and cost approx $1500. If I'm spending time grinding off all those
little epoxy drips to save weight....I'm SURE not putting 3 pounds of
transponder and the required battery in MY Piet!! :-)
Sure would be nice though....
http://www.eglider.org/catalog/items/item324.htm
JM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Nelson" <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another dumb question!
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Why hasn't anyone invented a "micro-transponder/com"
> or even just a "micro-transponder"???
>
> I live and breath in Class C airspace. I believe I
> need a transponder.
>
> Maybe when Jim Younkin gets done inventing
> micro-autopilots he will attack the portable
> transponder issue.
>
> =====
> Larry Nelson
> Springfield, MO
> Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
> 1963 GMC 4106-1618
> SV/ Spirit of America
> ARS WB0JOT
>
>
> __________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Another dumb question! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
I just got off the phone with our local friendly
approach controller to verify a old "understanding"
that I had about this sort of equipment. It is
required by the FAR's however he did acknowledge that
aircraft such as the Piet (or a Champ, or a Cub, etc)
that had never had an electrical system were granted a
waiver of this part of the FAR's. However a telephone
call one hour, or so, ahead of the time of arrival was
requested.
That means that I will not proceed with my other idea
of having a transponder imbedded under my skin.
--- Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle"
> <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
> I suppose "micro" can be defined a number of
> ways....but one common "micro
> transponder" used on Sailplanes is made by Microair.
> Nice small unit that
> does the job but of course draws some fairly serious
> current and weighs 3
> pounds and cost approx $1500. If I'm spending time
> grinding off all those
> little epoxy drips to save weight....I'm SURE not
> putting 3 pounds of
> transponder and the required battery in MY Piet!!
> :-)
>
> Sure would be nice though....
>
> http://www.eglider.org/catalog/items/item324.htm
>
> JM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Nelson" <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 9:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another dumb question!
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> > Why hasn't anyone invented a
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> > I live and breath in Class C airspace. I believe I
> > need a transponder.
> >
> > Maybe when Jim Younkin gets done inventing
> > micro-autopilots he will attack the portable
> > transponder issue.
> >
> > =====
> > Larry Nelson
> > Springfield, MO
> > Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
> > 1963 GMC 4106-1618
> > SV/ Spirit of America
> > ARS WB0JOT
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Larry Nelson
Springfield, MO
Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
1963 GMC 4106-1618
SV/ Spirit of America
ARS WB0JOT
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| Subject: | Re: Solo propping techniques??? |
Larry:
Buy a BYOP shirt and you'll get a free "solo propping guide" with your
purchase.
www.byop.us
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| Subject: | Re: More Questions? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
This probably has been covered, but on the Model A
powered Piets, the aluminum heads are available with
two spark plug holes. Has anyone ever left the
distributor in place, with coil, and small motorcycle
battery, to run a hybrid dual ignition. The Cessna 195
with Jake engines were BUILT with just this type of
ignition and in fact are started in the distributor
only mode, then switched to BOTH. It would seem that
the aluminum head weight savings would pay for the
weight of a very small battery. The battery ignition
would not have much of a drain on the battery. The
forced landing issues I have read about with the Model
A were magneto failures. It would be nice to have a
dual system. My mind is wide open.
What say youse about this?
=====
Larry Nelson
Springfield, MO
Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
1963 GMC 4106-1618
SV/ Spirit of America
ARS WB0JOT
_______________________________
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Dick asks-
>How about a brief description of the trim system? Is it similar to Mikes?
Edwin (Corky's test pilot) had already written-
>Corky (the plane I've flown) used a simple rubber bungee cord tied
>from two points on the front of the back seat then around the stick.
>By moving the rubber cord up and down the stick the amount of pull
>on the stick was varied.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: More Questions? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
Good subject...Glad you brought it up. I've been trying to learn something
about mags lately and one of the things I've learned is there's a lot of
folks out there who don't know much more about them than I do. I bought
a "mag side drive" from Ken Perkins at Brodhead. I think that once I
overcome a little interference problem, it will do just fine. I wanted to
move the mag from the usual position in order to "free up" the space behind
the engine so I can mount a small augmenting fuel tank back there. There
are a lot of magnetos available. I think that most folks give Slick high
marks for reliability. But I've also heard that the newer Slick units do
not measure up to the older units. Surely, Slick is not the only
manufacturer that builds reliable hardware. I've got a brand new Bosch
American mag and I'd like to know more about its' reputation for
reliability. Any comments? Carl Vought/Huntsville, AL
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:55:29 -0700 (PDT), Larry Nelson
<lnelson208@yahoo.com> wrote :
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
>
>
> This probably has been covered, but on the Model A
> powered Piets, the aluminum heads are available with
> two spark plug holes. Has anyone ever left the
> distributor in place, with coil, and small motorcycle
> battery, to run a hybrid dual ignition. The Cessna 195
> with Jake engines were BUILT with just this type of
> ignition and in fact are started in the distributor
> only mode, then switched to BOTH. It would seem that
> the aluminum head weight savings would pay for the
> weight of a very small battery. The battery ignition
> would not have much of a drain on the battery. The
> forced landing issues I have read about with the Model
> A were magneto failures. It would be nice to have a
> dual system. My mind is wide open.
>
> What say youse about this?
>
> =====
> Larry Nelson
> Springfield, MO
> Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
> 1963 GMC 4106-1618
> SV/ Spirit of America
> ARS WB0JOT
>
>
>
> _______________________________
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Solo propping techniques??? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John McNarry" <jmcnarry@escape.ca>
Hi Larry
I would suggest that you not hand prop an airplane with out an
experienced pilot in the cockpit unless the tail is tied to something
immovable.
Some folks do this by using a long rope tied with slip knots so that you
can give the tail of the knot a tug and undo the knot after you are in
the aircraft.
I am not very good at explaining knots, but it can be done.
Once the tail is free you pull in the rope and stow it in a small string
bag in the cockpit ready for the next start.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Nelson
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Solo propping techniques???
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson
<lnelson208@yahoo.com>
Has anyone devised a safe way to start up a Pietenpol
without any innocent bystanders offering their
assistance? Something that will work anywhere you
happen to land?
I am new to these machines and Chuck wouldn't give me
a ride in his at Brodhead (he indicated that I was way
too fat....but he did give my friend a ride).
I am wondering about the equivilent of a "kill
switch", where rotation of the wheels would yank out a
pin and ground the mag....hey, I am just thinking.
I am interested in what works and what has been done. Thanks.
=====
Larry Nelson
Springfield, MO
Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
1963 GMC 4106-1618
SV/ Spirit of America
ARS WB0JOT
__________________________________
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| Subject: | What happened to the... |
Corky,
What happened to the streamline you said you were going to use?
Chris
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: What happened to the... |
Chris
Still kicking it around. Used the round to lay out my pattern. I'll check it
with the streamline tomorrow. Even though the round is stronger the streamline
would seem to me to be stronger than spruce. We'll see.
Corky
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| Subject: | I'm gonna make some copies of the old BPA newsletters... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Carmen" <jcar@nefcom.net>
Maybe get them converted to PDF for a one time fee and then email this
PDF as a file to whoever wants it. They in turn can have the file
printed at there leisure with no shipping fee.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Markle
Subject: Pietenpol-List: I'm gonna make some copies of the old BPA
newsletters...
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
<jim_markle@mindspring.com>
in case anyone wants a set....
I'm going to Kinkos and have them copy my "copy of" the BPA newsletters.
But I just realized that a few of you out there might also want a set.
I'll be selling them on eBay for only $100 a
set....hehehehe...no....wait....just kidding...
Ok, seriously, I don't mind having some extras made if someone wants a
set and will make it REAL easy for me. I'm very lazy about such things!
So if you want to send whatever Kinkos charges for the copy job along
with a pre-stamped mailer big enough to send them back to you in, I'll
be glad to do it.
I just called Kinkos and they estimated (for APPROX 250 dbl sided/3 hole
pages) $35.18. DO NOT expect that price to be the final cost! That is
ONLY an estimate..... I have no idea how many pages there are but
whatever it is, you pay no more and no less than what they charge me and
send me something to mail it back to you in....I'll be glad to include a
copy of the receipt if you like....
Optionally, if someone has a cheaper way to get them copied, great!
Maybe I can send them to you and YOU do it! Remember up above where I
say I'm lazy???? :-)
I can tell you that for that much money, I will not make any extra
sets......but I would be glad to help you get your hands on the
newsletters if I can do a bunch all at once. NOte that these are
nowhere NEAR first generation copies but certainly usable and full of
good stuff.
Interested? Let me know OFFLINE ONLY PLEASE. In other words, please
don't hit reply to THIS message....send it directly to my email account
at: <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Jim in Plano.....
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| Subject: | Re: Solo propping techniques??? |
<20040820131451.35520.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ed Smith <lesmith@roanokeinternet.com>
My take on a safe manner to solo hand prop is a tow hitch style
mechanism. Use the tie down ropes on the ramp to tie the airplane, set
throttle and switch as needed, prop the bird, get in and pull the
release. I was at a flyin a few years ago and a gentleman was preparing to
leave in his homebuilt biplane. He pulled it forward from the show line
and turned it 90 degrees. Placed a couple of aluminum angle chocks at one
wheel and prepared to handprop his plane and then retrieve the chocks once
he was in the cockpit with a length of rope that was tied to the
chocks. Seeing a mishap in the making, I asked if I could assist him by
propping his plane for him. Fortunately he was receptive and I handed him
his chocks, had him get in his plane, set the brakes (confirmed by a tug on
the prop hub), and proceeded to prop the plane for him. He waved thanks
and was on his way. I hate to think what might have happened if the plane
had jumped the chocks and taxied among the people there looking at the
planes or swung around on the one wheel that was chocked and damaged
another plane adjacent to his. I wrote an email to the organizers of that
flyin (an EAA chapter) and suggested that they require a pair of wing
walkers to accompany ALL aircraft to the clear part of the taxiway to
prevent a tragedy. They said that would be a priority issue to address for
their next flyin. A towhook mechanism isn't hard to build. Basically,
it's a hook that pivots on one leg of the hook and is held in the captured
position by a loop around the free leg. Pull a cable to move the loop, the
hook pivots down and aft freeing the rope and you're on your way. I'm sure
there must be diagrams somewhere on the 'net. If you can't find one, let
me know.
At 09:14 AM 8/20/2004, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
>
>
>Has anyone devised a safe way to start up a Pietenpol
>without any innocent bystanders offering their
>assistance? Something that will work anywhere you
>happen to land?
>
>I am new to these machines and Chuck wouldn't give me
>a ride in his at Brodhead (he indicated that I was way
>too fat....but he did give my friend a ride).
>
>I am wondering about the equivilent of a "kill
>switch", where rotation of the wheels would yank out a
>pin and ground the mag....hey, I am just thinking.
>
>I am interested in what works and what has been done. Thanks.
>
>=====
>Larry Nelson
>Springfield, MO
>Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
>1963 GMC 4106-1618
>SV/ Spirit of America
>ARS WB0JOT
>
>
>__________________________________
>
>
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newsletters...
| Subject: | Re: I'm gonna make some copies of the old BPA |
newsletters...
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
Is this more pages than what you have already uploaded to mykitplane, Jimmy?
Clif
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: I'm gonna make some copies of the old BPA
newsletters...
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Carmen" <jcar@nefcom.net>
>
> Maybe get them converted to PDF for a one time fee and then email this
> PDF as a file to whoever wants it. They in turn can have the file
> printed at there leisure with no shipping fee.
>
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