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1. 07:25 AM - Pulleys (At7000ft@aol.com)
2. 11:35 AM - What happened to the... (streamline tubing) (Oscar Zuniga)
3. 01:35 PM - engine instrument wiring (DJ Vegh)
4. 01:53 PM - Re: engine instrument wiring (Textor, Jack)
5. 02:05 PM - Re: engine instrument wiring (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
6. 02:33 PM - Re: engine instrument wiring (DJ Vegh)
7. 03:17 PM - Re: engine instrument wiring (Textor, Jack)
8. 03:26 PM - Re: BPA newsletters and Trim... (Ed Smith)
9. 03:36 PM - Re: engine instrument wiring (Ed Smith)
10. 03:55 PM - Re: engine instrument wiring (Ed Smith)
11. 04:57 PM - Re: engine instrument wiring (DJ Vegh)
12. 05:03 PM - We're on the way!!!!....: BPA newsletters and Trim... (Jim Markle)
13. 05:52 PM - Re: We're on the way!!!!....: BPA newsletters (Dave and Connie)
14. 06:37 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 08/21/04 (Wscottcars@aol.com)
15. 11:00 PM - Re: Pulleys (Catdesign)
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Which pulleys did you guys use on your torque tube? Is it best to use ball
bearing type pulleys wherever possible? I noticed that the ball bearing 2"
pulleys are .484" or more wide, 2 of those together is wider than the torque
tube. The cheaper 2" phenolic pulleys with the bronze bushings that are
specified as usable with 1/8" cable are also too wide at .438". (Am referencing
page
140 in the new AS catalog).
Also read the archive discussion about the front torque tube elevator pully
needing to be bigger than 2" based on 43.13 and what Bingelis says in his book
(using 1/8" cable). Would their be any problem using a 3" ball bearing
pulley there?
Thanks
Rick Holland
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| Subject: | What happened to the... (streamline tubing) |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Corky wrote (in reply to Chris' question)-
>Still kicking it around. Used the round to lay out my pattern. I'll check
>it
>with the streamline tomorrow. Even though the round is stronger the
>streamline would seem to me to be stronger than spruce. We'll see.
As mentioned on this list before, if anyone wants to examine another way to
"streamline" round tubing for appearance or cost purposes, there are slip-on
streamline fairings available at places like
http://www.ultralightflyer.com/streamline_struts/ as used by the ultralight
guys. Not that a Piet has much to gain from streamlining the round tubing,
but sometimes appearance can be improved or an existing high-drag round-tube
setup can be helped a little.
There are also streamlined aluminum tubes available, such as at
http://www.sky-tek.com/struts.html that can be used in structural
applications with the proper design forethought.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | engine instrument wiring |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
I have a Grand Rapids Technologies EIS engine monitoring system
(http://www.grtavionics.com/model_2004.htm). It has a wiring harness that
plugs into the rear of the instrument and all the wires go firewall forward.
There are about 20 wires in the bundle. The diameter of all the wires
combined is about 1/2"
I want to hide the wires if possible so I was thinking of running them
outside the fuselage between the fabric and the plywood side. If I run them
along the top side of the stringer there is enough room for them.
My only concern is if I should ever need to replace a wire I will not have
access to them after the aircraft is covered. It would be just about
impossible to "fish" new wires through.
Should I just not worry about it and continue on? Seems like a wire failure
would be unlikley. The wires should outlast the covering I would think.
any opinions
DJ
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
_
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| Subject: | engine instrument wiring |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Textor, Jack" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
DJ
Have you thought about running light-weight plastic conduit?
Jack Textor
Des Moines
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| Subject: | Re: engine instrument wiring |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Run all your wiring loosely through a light-weight conduit of some sort. Leave
a strand of stainless safety wire in the conduit too. If ever need to run anoter
wire or two...use the safety wire to pull it thru. If ever need to replace
a wire...tie a safety wire on it before you pull it out and use it to snake
the new wire back in.
--
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
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| Subject: | Re: engine instrument wiring |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
hmmm..... I found some model rocket tubes that might work as a conduit.
They are hard paper tubes about 0.73" diameter 18" long each, but could be
taped together to get the length I need.
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXF572&P=D
I suppose they could be glued to the fuse side with some T-88. Maybe give
'em a light coat of varnish so the elements won't get at them.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Textor, Jack" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: engine instrument wiring
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Textor, Jack"
<jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
>
> DJ
> Have you thought about running light-weight plastic conduit?
> Jack Textor
> Des Moines
>
>
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| Subject: | engine instrument wiring |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Textor, Jack" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com>
DJ
You might want to stick with plastic. On my RV I used the stuff they
use to run computer wires, it comes in 1/2 and 3/4 inch and is fairly
stiff. It is light blue and I got it at Menards for about $3.00 for 10
feet. If you want something more flexible and lighter use the stuff you
see in an auto engine compartment to protect wire bundles. It is at an
auto parts store in all sorts of sizes.
Jack Textor
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| Subject: | Re: BPA newsletters and Trim... |
<005801c4884e$68e8a440$6401a8c0@FAMILY>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ed Smith <lesmith@roanokeinternet.com>
Jim, to lighten the workload and expedite the process, perhaps 5 or 6
members would be willing to take on a portion of the scan and upload the
newsletters. 6 people doing 50 or so pages should be doable in a fairly
short time frame. I don't have Adobe except for the free reader, so let me
know what would be the best format to scan and save to for someone that can
convert to .pdf format. I'll volunteer to do a portion to OCR in .txt or
.doc status if that would be beneficial. I take it these were in gray scale
were they not?
At 09:46 AM 8/22/2004, you wrote:
>Newsletters and trim? That's an odd combination.....
>
>First the newsletters:
>There have been several really good suggestions for getting the newsletters
>scanned/converted/copied to CD, etc. And thanks! I definitely agree that
>having the info available on CD would just be fantastic. I did try the
>process a while back and scanned a few random pages. Those are available on
>mykitplane.com. That's really the best way I think. Having them available
>on CD is a great idea!
>
>Since I'm in the enterprise software business, I have no shortage of HW or
>software for scanning/converting.....I just need the time to do it (or the
>money to pay to have it done).
>
>And being in the Pietenpol building business, I have no shortage of
>tasks/expenses for completing my project......I just put a VERY high value
>on the time I get to do it......
>
>So scanning/converting "ain't gonna happen" in Plano...... :-)
>
>But I'll gladly make a set available to whoever would like to take on the
>task (and share a copy of the resulting CD!).
>
>Keep in mind that even with a couple of missing issues (I found 3 missing
>issues, there may be 1 or 2 more missing), there are AT LEAST 300 DOUBLE
>SIDED pages containing issues #1 from July 1983 through issue #63
>"2ndQuarter 1999".
>
>So let me know who's willing to "step up" and I'll get the copies on the way
>to you.....
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| Subject: | Re: engine instrument wiring |
<001901c48950$caf17fb0$0564a8c0@rdci.az.home.com>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ed Smith <lesmith@roanokeinternet.com>
AIl though it would be unneeded weight (not much at all), why not lay in a
couple (or more) of extra lengths of wire and label each end (A,B, C, etc.)
so you know which wire is which from each end. This way you're not fishing
wires at a a later date. Also, it might be advisable to add a couple of
different sizes depending on the load they might have to carry.
At 04:35 PM 8/23/2004, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
>
>
>My only concern is if I should ever need to replace a wire I will not have
>access to them after the aircraft is covered. It would be just about
>impossible to "fish" new wires through.
>
>Should I just not worry about it and continue on? Seems like a wire failure
>would be unlikley. The wires should outlast the covering I would think.
>
>any opinions
>
>DJ
>www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
>_
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: engine instrument wiring |
<000701c48958$ed1525d0$0564a8c0@rdci.az.home.com>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ed Smith <lesmith@roanokeinternet.com>
As for conduit, use something like clear vinyl or plastic
tubing. Available at most hardware or agricultural stores.
At 05:34 PM 8/23/2004, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
>
>hmmm..... I found some model rocket tubes that might work as a conduit.
>They are hard paper tubes about 0.73" diameter 18" long each, but could be
>taped together to get the length I need.
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| Subject: | Re: engine instrument wiring |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
I found some clear plastic mailing tube. .75" $2.40 for 5 feet.
thanks guys!
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Smith" <lesmith@roanokeinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: engine instrument wiring
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ed Smith
<lesmith@roanokeinternet.com>
>
> As for conduit, use something like clear vinyl or plastic
> tubing. Available at most hardware or agricultural stores.
>
> At 05:34 PM 8/23/2004, you wrote:
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
> >
> >hmmm..... I found some model rocket tubes that might work as a conduit.
> >They are hard paper tubes about 0.73" diameter 18" long each, but could
be
> >taped together to get the length I need.
>
>
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| Subject: | We're on the way!!!!....: BPA newsletters and Trim... |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
I just received the PDF's for Issues 1-6 of the BPA Newsletter!!!! Way to
go Dave!!
This is great. If we all get together and those that have good scanners
available put them to use for a few issues, we'll have them all done in NO
time!!!
Please don't scan any without sending a note to the list (well, better yet,
send me a note offline) so we can avoid any double efforts (I HATE that!!).
If anyone can scan in doc format, I do have Adobe and can convert. I think
it also converts from jpg and gifs and other graphics formats. Whatever
Adobe will convert, I have recent versions for.... It's the scanning that I
can't provide. But I will gladly compile and distribute!!
Those of you that haven't seen all the issues are in for a real treat......
Jim in Plano
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Smith" <lesmith@roanokeinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: BPA newsletters and Trim...
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ed Smith
<lesmith@roanokeinternet.com>
>
> Jim, to lighten the workload and expedite the process, perhaps 5 or 6
> members would be willing to take on a portion of the scan and upload the
> newsletters. 6 people doing 50 or so pages should be doable in a fairly
> short time frame. I don't have Adobe except for the free reader, so let
me
> know what would be the best format to scan and save to for someone that
can
> convert to .pdf format. I'll volunteer to do a portion to OCR in .txt or
> .doc status if that would be beneficial. I take it these were in gray
scale
> were they not?
>
> At 09:46 AM 8/22/2004, you wrote:
> >Newsletters and trim? That's an odd combination.....
> >
> >First the newsletters:
> >There have been several really good suggestions for getting the
newsletters
> >scanned/converted/copied to CD, etc. And thanks! I definitely agree
that
> >having the info available on CD would just be fantastic. I did try the
> >process a while back and scanned a few random pages. Those are available
on
> >mykitplane.com. That's really the best way I think. Having them
available
> >on CD is a great idea!
> >
> >Since I'm in the enterprise software business, I have no shortage of HW
or
> >software for scanning/converting.....I just need the time to do it (or
the
> >money to pay to have it done).
> >
> >And being in the Pietenpol building business, I have no shortage of
> >tasks/expenses for completing my project......I just put a VERY high
value
> >on the time I get to do it......
> >
> >So scanning/converting "ain't gonna happen" in Plano...... :-)
> >
> >But I'll gladly make a set available to whoever would like to take on the
> >task (and share a copy of the resulting CD!).
> >
> >Keep in mind that even with a couple of missing issues (I found 3 missing
> >issues, there may be 1 or 2 more missing), there are AT LEAST 300 DOUBLE
> >SIDED pages containing issues #1 from July 1983 through issue #63
> >"2ndQuarter 1999".
> >
> >So let me know who's willing to "step up" and I'll get the copies on the
way
> >to you.....
>
>
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and Trim...
| Subject: | Re: We're on the way!!!!....: BPA newsletters |
and Trim...
<005801c4884e$68e8a440$6401a8c0@FAMILY>
<6.1.2.0.0.20040823182110.0e478ec0@mail.roava.net>
<082401c4896d$ba9e3eb0$6401a8c0@FAMILY>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dave and Connie <dmatthe1@rochester.rr.com>
Get the clearance form Grant and I can blast the rest of them in. They are
in my desk at work.
Dave
N36078 '41 BC-12-65
At 08:03 PM 8/23/2004, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
>I just received the PDF's for Issues 1-6 of the BPA Newsletter!!!! Way to
>go Dave!!
>
>This is great. If we all get together and those that have good scanners
>available put them to use for a few issues, we'll have them all done in NO
>time!!!
>
>Please don't scan any without sending a note to the list (well, better yet,
>send me a note offline) so we can avoid any double efforts (I HATE that!!).
>
>If anyone can scan in doc format, I do have Adobe and can convert. I think
>it also converts from jpg and gifs and other graphics formats. Whatever
>Adobe will convert, I have recent versions for.... It's the scanning that I
>can't provide. But I will gladly compile and distribute!!
>
>Those of you that haven't seen all the issues are in for a real treat......
>
>Jim in Plano
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ed Smith" <lesmith@roanokeinternet.com>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 5:26 PM
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: BPA newsletters and Trim...
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ed Smith
><lesmith@roanokeinternet.com>
> >
> > Jim, to lighten the workload and expedite the process, perhaps 5 or 6
> > members would be willing to take on a portion of the scan and upload the
> > newsletters. 6 people doing 50 or so pages should be doable in a fairly
> > short time frame. I don't have Adobe except for the free reader, so let
>me
> > know what would be the best format to scan and save to for someone that
>can
> > convert to .pdf format. I'll volunteer to do a portion to OCR in .txt or
> > .doc status if that would be beneficial. I take it these were in gray
>scale
> > were they not?
> >
> > At 09:46 AM 8/22/2004, you wrote:
> > >Newsletters and trim? That's an odd combination.....
> > >
> > >First the newsletters:
> > >There have been several really good suggestions for getting the
>newsletters
> > >scanned/converted/copied to CD, etc. And thanks! I definitely agree
>that
> > >having the info available on CD would just be fantastic. I did try the
> > >process a while back and scanned a few random pages. Those are available
>on
> > >mykitplane.com. That's really the best way I think. Having them
>available
> > >on CD is a great idea!
> > >
> > >Since I'm in the enterprise software business, I have no shortage of HW
>or
> > >software for scanning/converting.....I just need the time to do it (or
>the
> > >money to pay to have it done).
> > >
> > >And being in the Pietenpol building business, I have no shortage of
> > >tasks/expenses for completing my project......I just put a VERY high
>value
> > >on the time I get to do it......
> > >
> > >So scanning/converting "ain't gonna happen" in Plano...... :-)
> > >
> > >But I'll gladly make a set available to whoever would like to take on the
> > >task (and share a copy of the resulting CD!).
> > >
> > >Keep in mind that even with a couple of missing issues (I found 3 missing
> > >issues, there may be 1 or 2 more missing), there are AT LEAST 300 DOUBLE
> > >SIDED pages containing issues #1 from July 1983 through issue #63
> > >"2ndQuarter 1999".
> > >
> > >So let me know who's willing to "step up" and I'll get the copies on the
>way
> > >to you.....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>---
>Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 8/19/2004
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 08/21/04 |
Chuck: I'm the skinny guy that Larry Nelson said that you gave a ride to at
Broadhead. I really enjoyed the ride and I'm not that skinny I just was
hanging around with a couple of fatties. That was my second ride in a Pietenpol.
I also flew with Bernie Davey of Minn. that day and I wanted to thank Bernie
If he is listening. I also wanted to tell Chuck that he was pretty close to
my home when he spent the night in Versailes Mo. and maybe I'll have my cow
pasture made into an airstrip next time he comes this way. My Pietenpol project
is just getting started. My airstrip will be 2 miles SW of Brazito Mo. when I
get it built.
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I used the 2" ball bearing pulleys and yes 2 of them are wider then the torque
tube so I put a jog in the pulley holding-on-tab thingies to make the gap 1".
I also extended the tab down around the tube to get a little more weld area.
Some people don't like the 2" up front but it seems to work. I used the 2".
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: At7000ft@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 7:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pulleys
Which pulleys did you guys use on your torque tube? Is it best to use ball bearing
type pulleys wherever possible? I noticed that the ball bearing 2" pulleys
are .484" or more wide, 2 of those together is wider than the torque tube.
The cheaper 2" phenolic pulleys with the bronze bushings that are specified as
usable with 1/8" cable are also too wide at .438". (Am referencing page 140 in
the new AS catalog).
Also read the archive discussion about the front torque tube elevator pully needing
to be bigger than 2" based on 43.13 and what Bingelis says in his book
(using 1/8" cable). Would their be any problem using a 3" ball bearing pulley
there?
Thanks
Rick Holland
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