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1. 05:22 AM - Fiberglass Eyebrows for A-65 Cont. (Dick and Marge Gillespie)
2. 07:16 AM - : [ Ed Grentzer ] : (Michael D Cuy)
3. 07:46 AM - (Jim Markle)
4. 08:01 AM - (Jim Markle)
5. 08:53 AM - (Christian Bobka)
6. 08:58 AM - (Isablcorky@aol.com)
7. 10:52 AM - Re: Fw: Re: Fw: We're on the way!!!!....: BPA (John Ford)
8. 11:02 AM - how cheap can you get ? (Michael D Cuy)
9. 11:26 AM - Re: how cheap can you get ? (Isablcorky@aol.com)
10. 11:36 AM - Re: how cheap can you get ? (Textor, Jack)
11. 11:56 AM - Re: how cheap can you get ? (Michael D Cuy)
12. 12:32 PM - Re: how cheap can you get ? (Christian Bobka)
13. 01:52 PM - Check out Album Detail Davis Pietenpol (Andimaxd@aol.com)
14. 02:30 PM - Speaking of cheap. (KTS5TA6@wmconnect.com)
15. 02:42 PM - ditto (Christian Bobka)
16. 03:12 PM - Mike (Christian Bobka)
17. 04:00 PM - How cheap can we ALL get? (walt evans)
18. 04:43 PM - Re: How cheap can we ALL get? (Isablcorky@aol.com)
19. 06:06 PM - Re: I am a bulletin board jinx! (Larry Nelson)
20. 06:16 PM - Re: I am a bulletin board jinx! (TomTravis@aol.com)
21. 06:30 PM - Re: I am a bulletin board jinx! (KTS5TA6@wmconnect.com)
22. 06:30 PM - Re: I am a bulletin board jinx! (Isablcorky@aol.com)
23. 06:46 PM - Re: I am a bulletin board jinx! (Isablcorky@aol.com)
24. 06:55 PM - Re: I am a bulletin board jinx! (TomTravis@aol.com)
25. 07:26 PM - Re: I have a question... (Bert Conoly)
26. 08:01 PM - Re: I have a question... (Christian Bobka)
27. 08:06 PM - Re: I am a bulletin board jinx! (Christian Bobka)
28. 08:41 PM - Pietenpols around DFW? (Steve Ruse)
29. 09:18 PM - Cross Country - Tour America !! (Rcaprd@aol.com)
30. 09:19 PM - Re: I have a question... (Bert Conoly)
31. 10:02 PM - Re: Pietenpols around DFW? (Steve Ruse)
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| Subject: | Fiberglass Eyebrows for A-65 Cont. |
Anybody know where to get fiberglass eyebrows for A-65 Cont.
DickG.
Ft. Myers, FL
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| Subject: | : [ Ed Grentzer ] : |
Thanks for posting photos of your progress, Ed ! Looking very good !!!
Mike C.
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d="scan'217,208"; a="233227190:sNHT177347710"
Jim,
Grant has been burnt! &*%
him!
Just ask him why he stopped the newsletter in April when he had all the subscriptions
paid up until December.
He burned me and every other subscriber at the time!
Really, little if any of it is his work. It is merely a compendium of bits of
emails OF OTHERS and letters FROM OTHERS and articles contributed FOR FREE BY
OTHERS. Ask him what part of it he really owns!
Now that you know how I feel.....
Chris Bobka
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Markle
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Pietenpol-List: We're on the way!!!!....: BPA newsletters
and Trim...
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
I must admit that the tone of this response took me back a bit....obviously Grant
has been burnt....
But ok, I'll respect his position and let this note serve notice that I withdraw
any offers to make copies....
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Markle
Sent: Aug 24, 2004 9:45 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Cc: GMacLaren@aol.com
Subject: Fw: Re: Fw: Pietenpol-List: We're on the way!!!!....: BPA newsletters
and Trim...
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
I'll not bother to contact Frank Pavlika for his parts of the newsletter....
JM
-----Forwarded Message-----
From: GMacLaren@aol.com
Sent: Aug 23, 2004 9:57 PM
To: jim_markle@mindspring.com
Cc: dmatthe1@rochester.rr.com, lesmith@roanokeinternet.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Pietenpol-List: We're on the way!!!!....: BPA newsletters and
Trim...
Jim,
I have granted NO ONE the right to duplicate
my creations in this way and consider it a violation
of my rights.
Please do not get yourself involved in this illegal
practice.
I will not hesitate in bringing legal action against
anyone who violates my copyright.
-Grant Maclaren-
In a message dated 8/23/04 8:24:41 PM, jim_markle@mindspring.com writes:
What do you say, Grant? I know several have made hard copies in the past
but if there are any problems with us creating PDF's of the (3rd and 4th
generation!) copies we have, please let me know.
Thanks!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave and Connie" <dmatthe1@rochester.rr.com>
To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: We're on the way!!!!....: BPA newsletters and
Trim...
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dave and Connie
<dmatthe1@rochester.rr.com>
>
> Get the clearance form Grant and I can blast the rest of them in. They
are
> in my desk at work.
> Dave
> N36078 '41 BC-12-65
>
> At 08:03 PM 8/23/2004, you wrote:
>
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle"
<jim_markle@mindspring.com>
> >
> >I just received the PDF's for Issues 1-6 of the BPA Newsletter!!!! Way
to
> >go Dave!!
> >
> >This is great. If we all get together and those that have good scanners
> >available put them to use for a few issues, we'll have them all done in
NO
> >time!!!
> >
> >Please don't scan any without sending a note to the list (well, better
yet,
> >send me a note offline) so we can avoid any double efforts (I HATE
that!!).
> >
> >If anyone can scan in doc format, I do have Adobe and can convert. I
think
> >it also converts from jpg and gifs and other graphics formats. Whatever
> >Adobe will convert, I have recent versions for.... It's the scanning
that I
> >can't provide. But I will gladly compile and distribute!!
> >
> >Those of you that haven't seen all the issues are in for a real
treat......
> >
> >Jim in Plano
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ed Smith" <lesmith@roanokeinternet.com>
> >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> >Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 5:26 PM
> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: BPA newsletters and Trim...
> >
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ed Smith
> ><lesmith@roanokeinternet.com>
> > >
> > > Jim, to lighten the workload and expedite the process, perhaps 5 or 6
> > > members would be willing to take on a portion of the scan and upload
the
> > > newsletters. 6 people doing 50 or so pages should be doable in a
fairly
> > > short time frame. I don't have Adobe except for the free reader, so
let
> >me
> > > know what would be the best format to scan and save to for someone
that
> >can
> > > convert to .pdf format. I'll volunteer to do a portion to OCR in .txt
or
> > > .doc status if that would be beneficial. I take it these were in gray
> >scale
> > > were they not?
> > >
> > > At 09:46 AM 8/22/2004, you wrote:
> > > >Newsletters and trim? That's an odd combination.....
> > > >
> > > >First the newsletters:
> > > >There have been several really good suggestions for getting the
> >newsletters
> > > >scanned/converted/copied to CD, etc. And thanks! I definitely agree
> >that
> > > >having the info available on CD would just be fantastic. I did try
the
> > > >process a while back and scanned a few random pages. Those are
available
> >on
> > > >mykitplane.com. That's really the best way I think. Having them
> >available
> > > >on CD is a great idea!
> > > >
> > > >Since I'm in the enterprise software business, I have no shortage of
HW
> >or
> > > >software for scanning/converting.....I just need the time to do it
(or
> >the
> > > >money to pay to have it done).
> > > >
> > > >And being in the Pietenpol building business, I have no shortage of
> > > >tasks/expenses for completing my project......I just put a VERY high
> >value
> > > >on the time I get to do it......
> > > >
> > > >So scanning/converting "ain't gonna happen" in Plano...... :-)
> > > >
> > > >But I'll gladly make a set available to whoever would like to take on
the
> > > >task (and share a copy of the resulting CD!).
> > > >
> > > >Keep in mind that even with a couple of missing issues (I found 3
missing
> > > >issues, there may be 1 or 2 more missing), there are AT LEAST 300
DOUBLE
> > > >SIDED pages containing issues #1 from July 1983 through issue #63
> > > >"2ndQuarter 1999".
> > > >
> > > >So let me know who's willing to "step up" and I'll get the copies on
the
> >way
> > > >to you.....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >---
> >Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 8/19/2004
>
>
>
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This is intended to be read by MR. Grant Mc.
In the year 2000 I began building a Pietenpol and heard about your
"CREATIONS" as you call them. I sent you my check for $10 and about this time you
faded
away with mine and I understand several other people's $10. I've waited for
your reappearance to ask for my ten bucks and will not let it rest until I
receive it. Please remit to:
Claude M Corbett
625 Pierremont Rd
Shreveport, La 71106
Corky
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newsletters and Trim...
| Subject: | Re: We're on the way!!!!....: BPA |
newsletters and Trim...
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
I hereby grant each and every one of you permission to copy and/or
reprint any and/or all of my creations posted to this list in perpetuity
and free of charge. Someday I may actually post something useful,
informative, funny or insightful. Someday. Share the joy. Have at
it...
John
do not archive
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> sbobka@charter.net Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:53:30 AM >>>
Jim,
Grant has been burnt! &*%
him!
Just ask him why he stopped the newsletter in April when he had all the
subscriptions paid up until December.
He burned me and every other subscriber at the time!
Really, little if any of it is his work. It is merely a compendium of
bits of emails OF OTHERS and letters FROM OTHERS and articles
contributed FOR FREE BY OTHERS. Ask him what part of it he really
owns!
Now that you know how I feel.....
Chris Bobka
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Markle
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Pietenpol-List: We're on the way!!!!....:
BPA newsletters and Trim...
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
I must admit that the tone of this response took me back a
bit....obviously Grant has been burnt....
But ok, I'll respect his position and let this note serve notice that
I withdraw any offers to make copies....
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Markle
Sent: Aug 24, 2004 9:45 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Cc: GMacLaren@aol.com
Subject: Fw: Re: Fw: Pietenpol-List: We're on the way!!!!....: BPA
newsletters and Trim...
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
I'll not bother to contact Frank Pavlika for his parts of the
newsletter....
JM
-----Forwarded Message-----
From: GMacLaren@aol.com
Sent: Aug 23, 2004 9:57 PM
To: jim_markle@mindspring.com
Cc: dmatthe1@rochester.rr.com, lesmith@roanokeinternet.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Pietenpol-List: We're on the way!!!!....: BPA
newsletters and Trim...
Jim,
I have granted NO ONE the right to duplicate
my creations in this way and consider it a violation
of my rights.
Please do not get yourself involved in this illegal
practice.
I will not hesitate in bringing legal action against
anyone who violates my copyright.
-=Grant Maclaren=-
In a message dated 8/23/04 8:24:41 PM, jim_markle@mindspring.com
writes:
What do you say, Grant? I know several have made hard copies in
the past
but if there are any problems with us creating PDF's of the (3rd
and 4th
generation!) copies we have, please let me know.
Thanks!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave and Connie" <dmatthe1@rochester.rr.com>
To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: We're on the way!!!!....: BPA
newsletters and
Trim...
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dave and Connie
<dmatthe1@rochester.rr.com>
>
> Get the clearance form Grant and I can blast the rest of them in.
They
are
> in my desk at work.
> Dave
> N36078 '41 BC-12-65
>
> At 08:03 PM 8/23/2004, you wrote:
>
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle"
<jim_markle@mindspring.com>
> >
> >I just received the PDF's for Issues 1-6 of the BPA
Newsletter!!!! Way
to
> >go Dave!!
> >
> >This is great. If we all get together and those that have good
scanners
> >available put them to use for a few issues, we'll have them all
done in
NO
> >time!!!
> >
> >Please don't scan any without sending a note to the list (well,
better
yet,
> >send me a note offline) so we can avoid any double efforts (I
HATE
that!!).
> >
> >If anyone can scan in doc format, I do have Adobe and can
convert. I
think
> >it also converts from jpg and gifs and other graphics formats.
Whatever
> >Adobe will convert, I have recent versions for.... It's the
scanning
that I
> >can't provide. But I will gladly compile and distribute!!
> >
> >Those of you that haven't seen all the issues are in for a real
treat......
> >
> >Jim in Plano
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ed Smith" <lesmith@roanokeinternet.com>
> >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> >Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 5:26 PM
> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: BPA newsletters and Trim...
> >
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ed Smith
> ><lesmith@roanokeinternet.com>
> > >
> > > Jim, to lighten the workload and expedite the process,
perhaps 5 or 6
> > > members would be willing to take on a portion of the scan and
upload
the
> > > newsletters. 6 people doing 50 or so pages should be doable
in a
fairly
> > > short time frame. I don't have Adobe except for the free
reader, so
let
> >me
> > > know what would be the best format to scan and save to for
someone
that
> >can
> > > convert to .pdf format. I'll volunteer to do a portion to
OCR in .txt
or
> > > .doc status if that would be beneficial. I take it these were
in gray
> >scale
> > > were they not?
> > >
> > > At 09:46 AM 8/22/2004, you wrote:
> > > >Newsletters and trim? That's an odd combination.....
> > > >
> > > >First the newsletters:
> > > >There have been several really good suggestions for getting
the
> >newsletters
> > > >scanned/converted/copied to CD, etc. And thanks! I
definitely agree
> >that
> > > >having the info available on CD would just be fantastic. I
did try
the
> > > >process a while back and scanned a few random pages. Those
are
available
> >on
> > > >mykitplane.com. That's really the best way I think. Having
them
> >available
> > > >on CD is a great idea!
> > > >
> > > >Since I'm in the enterprise software business, I have no
shortage of
HW
> >or
> > > >software for scanning/converting.....I just need the time to
do it
(or
> >the
> > > >money to pay to have it done).
> > > >
> > > >And being in the Pietenpol building business, I have no
shortage of
> > > >tasks/expenses for completing my project......I just put a
VERY high
> >value
> > > >on the time I get to do it......
> > > >
> > > >So scanning/converting "ain't gonna happen" in Plano......
:-)
> > > >
> > > >But I'll gladly make a set available to whoever would like
to take on
the
> > > >task (and share a copy of the resulting CD!).
> > > >
> > > >Keep in mind that even with a couple of missing issues (I
found 3
missing
> > > >issues, there may be 1 or 2 more missing), there are AT
LEAST 300
DOUBLE
> > > >SIDED pages containing issues #1 from July 1983 through
issue #63
> > > >"2ndQuarter 1999".
> > > >
> > > >So let me know who's willing to "step up" and I'll get the
copies on
the
> >way
> > > >to you.....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >---
> >Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date:
8/19/2004
>
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| Subject: | how cheap can you get ? |
0.6 FOR_FREE BODY: No such thing as a free lunch (1)
The contributions that Grant MacLaren made to the Pietenpol movement over a
TEN YEAR period by being the editor, publisher,
and mailing house for the BPAN newsletter were simply fantastic. Nobody
else would have done that if he hadn't and if you count
all of his time answering mail, transcribing text, going to the printer,
compiling issues and photos, the lousy $10 per year cost probably just
barely covered his expenses, IF that. So Chris, you lost say
$7.50. You can't get a small pizza with two toppings for that much, but
look at the
valuable jewels of information that were contained in those 10 years of
BPAN publications. Perhaps some are due money but if you put this all in
perspective, how much do you fork out for AOPA and EAA and such per year
? Some are due money, I don't question that. What bothers me is that
the guy did this for GRATIS basically and did one hell of a job, and as
soon as the guy stops and doesn't send some refunds he's worth dog crap to
you. Hmmmm........glad I didn't take over the newsletter as Grant was
hoping I would.
Mike C.
please archive
At 10:53 AM 8/24/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Jim,
>
>Grant has been burnt! &*%
him!
>
>Just ask him why he stopped the newsletter in April when he had all the
>subscriptions paid up until December.
>
>He burned me and every other subscriber at the time!
>
>Really, little if any of it is his work. It is merely a compendium of
>bits of emails OF OTHERS and letters FROM OTHERS and articles
>contributed FOR FREE BY OTHERS. Ask him what part of it he really owns!
>
>Now that you know how I feel.....
>
>Chris Bobka
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:jim_markle@mindspring.com>Jim Markle
>To: <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:01 AM
>Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Pietenpol-List: We're on the way!!!!....: BPA
>newsletters and Trim...
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
>I must admit that the tone of this response took me back a
>bit....obviously Grant has been burnt....
>
>But ok, I'll respect his position and let this note serve notice that I
>withdraw any offers to make copies....
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Markle
>Sent: Aug 24, 2004 9:45 AM
>To: <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Cc: GMacLaren@aol.com
>Subject: Fw: Re: Fw: Pietenpol-List: We're on the way!!!!....: BPA
>newsletters and Trim...
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
>I'll not bother to contact Frank Pavlika for his parts of the newsletter....
>JM
>
>
>-----Forwarded Message-----
>From: GMacLaren@aol.com
>Sent: Aug 23, 2004 9:57 PM
>To: jim_markle@mindspring.com
>Cc: dmatthe1@rochester.rr.com, lesmith@roanokeinternet.com
>Subject: Re: Fw: Pietenpol-List: We're on the way!!!!....: BPA
>newsletters and Trim...
>
>Jim,
>
>I have granted NO ONE the right to duplicate
>my creations in this way and consider it a violation
>of my rights.
>Please do not get yourself involved in this illegal
>practice.
>I will not hesitate in bringing legal action against
>anyone who violates my copyright.
>
>-=Grant Maclaren=-
>
>
>In a message dated 8/23/04 8:24:41 PM, jim_markle@mindspring.com writes:
>
>
>>What do you say, Grant? I know several have made hard copies in the past
>>but if there are any problems with us creating PDF's of the (3rd and 4th
>>generation!) copies we have, please let me know.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Dave and Connie" <dmatthe1@rochester.rr.com>
>>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 7:52 PM
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: We're on the way!!!!....: BPA newsletters and
>>Trim...
>>
>>
>>
>> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dave and Connie
>><dmatthe1@rochester.rr.com>
>> >
>> > Get the clearance form Grant and I can blast the rest of them in. They
>>are
>> > in my desk at work.
>> > Dave
>> > N36078 '41 BC-12-65
>> >
>> > At 08:03 PM 8/23/2004, you wrote:
>> >
>> > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle"
>><jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>> > >
>> > >I just received the PDF's for Issues 1-6 of the BPA Newsletter!!!! Way
>>to
>> > >go Dave!!
>> > >
>> > >This is great. If we all get together and those that have good scanners
>> > >available put them to use for a few issues, we'll have them all done in
>>NO
>> > >time!!!
>> > >
>> > >Please don't scan any without sending a note to the list (well, better
>>yet,
>> > >send me a note offline) so we can avoid any double efforts (I HATE
>>that!!).
>> > >
>> > >If anyone can scan in doc format, I do have Adobe and can convert. I
>>think
>> > >it also converts from jpg and gifs and other graphics formats. Whatever
>> > >Adobe will convert, I have recent versions for.... It's the scanning
>>that I
>> > >can't provide. But I will gladly compile and distribute!!
>> > >
>> > >Those of you that haven't seen all the issues are in for a real
>>treat......
>> > >
>> > >Jim in Plano
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >----- Original Message -----
>> > >From: "Ed Smith" <lesmith@roanokeinternet.com>
>> > >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> > >Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 5:26 PM
>> > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: BPA newsletters and Trim...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ed Smith
>> > ><lesmith@roanokeinternet.com>
>> > > >
>> > > > Jim, to lighten the workload and expedite the process, perhaps 5 or 6
>> > > > members would be willing to take on a portion of the scan and upload
>>the
>> > > > newsletters. 6 people doing 50 or so pages should be doable in a
>>fairly
>> > > > short time frame. I don't have Adobe except for the free reader, so
>>let
>> > >me
>> > > > know what would be the best format to scan and save to for someone
>>that
>> > >can
>> > > > convert to .pdf format. I'll volunteer to do a portion to OCR in
>> .txt
>>or
>> > > > .doc status if that would be beneficial. I take it these were in gray
>> > >scale
>> > > > were they not?
>> > > >
>> > > > At 09:46 AM 8/22/2004, you wrote:
>> > > > >Newsletters and trim? That's an odd combination.....
>> > > > >
>> > > > >First the newsletters:
>> > > > >There have been several really good suggestions for getting the
>> > >newsletters
>> > > > >scanned/converted/copied to CD, etc. And thanks! I definitely
>> agree
>> > >that
>> > > > >having the info available on CD would just be fantastic. I did try
>>the
>> > > > >process a while back and scanned a few random pages. Those are
>>available
>> > >on
>> > > > >mykitplane.com. That's really the best way I think. Having them
>> > >available
>> > > > >on CD is a great idea!
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Since I'm in the enterprise software business, I have no shortage of
>>HW
>> > >or
>> > > > >software for scanning/converting.....I just need the time to do it
>>(or
>> > >the
>> > > > >money to pay to have it done).
>> > > > >
>> > > > >And being in the Pietenpol building business, I have no shortage of
>> > > > >tasks/expenses for completing my project......I just put a VERY high
>> > >value
>> > > > >on the time I get to do it......
>> > > > >
>> > > > >So scanning/converting "ain't gonna happen" in Plano...... :-)
>> > > > >
>> > > > >But I'll gladly make a set available to whoever would like to
>> take on
>>the
>> > > > >task (and share a copy of the resulting CD!).
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Keep in mind that even with a couple of missing issues (I found 3
>>missing
>> > > > >issues, there may be 1 or 2 more missing), there are AT LEAST 300
>>DOUBLE
>> > > > >SIDED pages containing issues #1 from July 1983 through issue #63
>> > > > >"2ndQuarter 1999".
>> > > > >
>> > > > >So let me know who's willing to "step up" and I'll get the copies on
>>the
>> > >way
>> > > > >to you.....
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >---
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>> >
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>> >
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| Subject: | Re: how cheap can you get ? |
Mike,
I can probably live without that $10, who knows, but a crook is a crook and
stealing is stealing no matter what contributions were made in the past of
which I received 0. I would be the last one to sectionalize this thing I,m sure
you all know but to be beat out of some cash by a rebel is one thing but getting
it put to you by a cheatinYankee is more than I want to absorb.
YKW in La.
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| Subject: | how cheap can you get ? |
Well said Mike. My couple of contributions were very well spent.
Jack Textor
Do not archive
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| Subject: | how cheap can you get ? |
resource.com>
Thanks, Jack---and Corky I do understand your complaint---it is legitimate
and after realizing how you got in on the newsletter right when it was
stopped was just unfortunate.
On what Grant contributed to the newsletter was more than just throwing
together a bunch of paper mail letters and e-mails and photos. Way
more. Grant is an expert with old Ford engines and between he and Howard
Henderson, they built 44MH in St. Louis with a strong Ford that is still
running today. Grant contributed tons of excellent information himself in
the newsletters on building tips that he and Howard discovered along with
mucho technical expertise and advice on building up a good Ford engine for
use in the Air Camper. (not to mention associated info he provided on
carburetion and ignition systems.) The NEW Brodhead Pietenpol
Association news is put together by non-aviation or Ford people and
contains 1/10th the meat and potatoes of the old newsletters and in fact
re-prints some of what Grant had in his old newsletters. (that is how
they are scrapping for info) Grant was also the one, along with Bill Rewey
who made things happen with EAA for us to display 17 of our Pietenpols on
the flightline at EAA Oshkosh 1999. Did you see who picked up the ball for
the 75th Anniversary this year ? NOBODY. Thanks Grant, for helping out
for the 70th.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: how cheap can you get ? |
Mike,
He TOLD everybody one more year and on that basis I sent him my 10 bucks AND an
article to be published.
And then he did two more issues and kept everybody dangling for another year.....
I took him at his word.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael D Cuy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 1:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: how cheap can you get ?
The contributions that Grant MacLaren made to the Pietenpol movement over a TEN
YEAR period by being the editor, publisher,
and mailing house for the BPAN newsletter were simply fantastic. Nobody else
would have done that if he hadn't and if you count
all of his time answering mail, transcribing text, going to the printer, compiling
issues and photos, the lousy $10 per year cost probably just barely covered
his expenses, IF that. So Chris, you lost say $7.50. You can't get
a small pizza with two toppings for that much, but look at the
valuable jewels of information that were contained in those 10 years of BPAN
publications. Perhaps some are due money but if you put this all in perspective,
how much do you fork out for AOPA and EAA and such per year ? Some are
due money, I don't question that. What bothers me is that the guy did this for
GRATIS basically and did one hell of a job, and as soon as the guy stops and
doesn't send some refunds he's worth dog crap to you. Hmmmm........glad I
didn't take over the newsletter as Grant was hoping I would.
Mike C.
please archive
At 10:53 AM 8/24/2004 -0500, you wrote:
Jim,
Grant has been burnt! &*%
him!
Just ask him why he stopped the newsletter in April when he had all the subscriptions
paid up until December.
He burned me and every other subscriber at the time!
Really, little if any of it is his work. It is merely a compendium of bits
of emails OF OTHERS and letters FROM OTHERS and articles contributed FOR FREE
BY OTHERS. Ask him what part of it he really owns!
Now that you know how I feel.....
Chris Bobka
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Markle
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Fw: Pietenpol-List: We're on the way!!!!....: BPA newsletters
and Trim...
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
I must admit that the tone of this response took me back a bit....obviously
Grant has been burnt....
But ok, I'll respect his position and let this note serve notice that I withdraw
any offers to make copies....
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Markle
Sent: Aug 24, 2004 9:45 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Cc: GMacLaren@aol.com
Subject: Fw: Re: Fw: Pietenpol-List: We're on the way!!!!....: BPA newsletters
and Trim...
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
I'll not bother to contact Frank Pavlika for his parts of the newsletter....
JM
-----Forwarded Message-----
From: GMacLaren@aol.com
Sent: Aug 23, 2004 9:57 PM
To: jim_markle@mindspring.com
Cc: dmatthe1@rochester.rr.com, lesmith@roanokeinternet.com
Subject: Re: Fw: Pietenpol-List: We're on the way!!!!....: BPA newsletters
and Trim...
Jim,
I have granted NO ONE the right to duplicate
my creations in this way and consider it a violation
of my rights.
Please do not get yourself involved in this illegal
practice.
I will not hesitate in bringing legal action against
anyone who violates my copyright.
-Grant Maclaren-
In a message dated 8/23/04 8:24:41 PM, jim_markle@mindspring.com writes:
What do you say, Grant? I know several have made hard copies in the past
but if there are any problems with us creating PDF's of the (3rd and 4th
generation!) copies we have, please let me know.
Thanks!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave and Connie" <dmatthe1@rochester.rr.com>
To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: We're on the way!!!!....: BPA newsletters
and
Trim...
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dave and Connie
>
> Get the clearance form Grant and I can blast the rest of them in. They
are
> in my desk at work.
> Dave
> N36078 '41 BC-12-65
>
> At 08:03 PM 8/23/2004, you wrote:
>
> >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle"
> >
> >I just received the PDF's for Issues 1-6 of the BPA Newsletter!!!!
Way
to
> >go Dave!!
> >
> >This is great. If we all get together and those that have good scanners
> >available put them to use for a few issues, we'll have them all done
in
NO
> >time!!!
> >
> >Please don't scan any without sending a note to the list (well, better
yet,
> >send me a note offline) so we can avoid any double efforts (I HATE
that!!).
> >
> >If anyone can scan in doc format, I do have Adobe and can convert.
I
think
> >it also converts from jpg and gifs and other graphics formats. Whatever
> >Adobe will convert, I have recent versions for.... It's the scanning
that I
> >can't provide. But I will gladly compile and distribute!!
> >
> >Those of you that haven't seen all the issues are in for a real
treat......
> >
> >Jim in Plano
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ed Smith" <lesmith@roanokeinternet.com>
> >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> >Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 5:26 PM
> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: BPA newsletters and Trim...
> >
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ed Smith
> ><lesmith@roanokeinternet.com>
> > >
> > > Jim, to lighten the workload and expedite the process, perhaps 5
or 6
> > > members would be willing to take on a portion of the scan and upload
the
> > > newsletters. 6 people doing 50 or so pages should be doable in a
fairly
> > > short time frame. I don't have Adobe except for the free reader,
so
let
> >me
> > > know what would be the best format to scan and save to for someone
that
> >can
> > > convert to .pdf format. I'll volunteer to do a portion to OCR in
.txt
or
> > > .doc status if that would be beneficial. I take it these were in
gray
> >scale
> > > were they not?
> > >
> > > At 09:46 AM 8/22/2004, you wrote:
> > > >Newsletters and trim? That's an odd combination.....
> > > >
> > > >First the newsletters:
> > > >There have been several really good suggestions for getting the
> >newsletters
> > > >scanned/converted/copied to CD, etc. And thanks! I definitely
agree
> >that
> > > >having the info available on CD would just be fantastic. I did
try
the
> > > >process a while back and scanned a few random pages. Those are
available
> >on
> > > >mykitplane.com. That's really the best way I think. Having them
> >available
> > > >on CD is a great idea!
> > > >
> > > >Since I'm in the enterprise software business, I have no shortage
of
HW
> >or
> > > >software for scanning/converting.....I just need the time to do
it
(or
> >the
> > > >money to pay to have it done).
> > > >
> > > >And being in the Pietenpol building business, I have no shortage
of
> > > >tasks/expenses for completing my project......I just put a VERY
high
> >value
> > > >on the time I get to do it......
> > > >
> > > >So scanning/converting "ain't gonna happen" in Plano...... :-)
> > > >
> > > >But I'll gladly make a set available to whoever would like to take
on
the
> > > >task (and share a copy of the resulting CD!).
> > > >
> > > >Keep in mind that even with a couple of missing issues (I found
3
missing
> > > >issues, there may be 1 or 2 more missing), there are AT LEAST 300
DOUBLE
> > > >SIDED pages containing issues #1 from July 1983 through issue #63
> > > >"2ndQuarter 1999".
> > > >
> > > >So let me know who's willing to "step up" and I'll get the copies
on
the
> >way
> > > >to you.....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >---
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>
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| Subject: | Check out Album Detail Davis Pietenpol |
_Click here: Album Detail Davis Pietenpol_
(http://mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=216)
Group:
In an effort to change the last topic to something more constructive... I
took the time last weekend (and with some prodding by people like Terry B. and
Jim M.) to post some pictures on mykitplane.com. Enjoy! All comments both
good and bad welcome, on or off list.
Thanks,
Max Davis
Arlington, TX.
817.516.1116
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| Subject: | Speaking of cheap. |
I still have a couple of "very cheap" BYOP shirts left in Medium, Large and a
few Extra Large. (e-mail me first to be safe...)
If anyone wants one, 100% cotton, sold at my cost, no profit (I'd say that
qualifies me for "cheap"...) send me a personal check or money order in the
amount of $12.75 and your BYOP shirt will be sent muy pronto via 3 DAY PRIORITY
MAIL (shipping sets me back about $4.25) . Or, send me 12 ice cold Coronas and
your shirt will be sent by NEXT DAY EXPRESS MAIL.
Also include a mug shot of your face (preferably in a flying helmet and
goggles) and I'll send you an authentic TACO ID card, so realistic that it'll work
as a "get-out-of-jail-free-card" in many parts of Mexico and Arkansas. Your
TACO ID card will help you gain access to a TACO meeting, if we ever manage to
have one, at which time, we will teach you the secret TACO handshake, known
only to a few Texans and one guy in Canada.
If for some reason I have messed up someone's previous tee shirt order up
during my period of extreme disorganization in the past 3 weeks, send me an
e-mail. I think I've sent everyone their shirts?
Thanks,
Sterling Brooks
Knot-2-Shabby Airport & Texas Longhorn Cattle Ranch
5TA6, San Antonio Sectional NOTAMS, Fresh cowchips on runway, land at your
own risk. 2 German Shepherds, 2 Pit Bulls a Fox Terrier and a Cow Dog on
premise, wear thick britches and run faster than 28 MPH if the dogs come a runnin'
upon landing!
www.byop.us
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I hereby grant each and every one of you permission to copy and/or
reprint any and/or all of my creations posted to this list in perpetuity
and free of charge. Someday I may actually post something useful,
informative, funny or insightful. Someday. Share the joy. Have at
it...
Chris Bobka
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Mike,
I am looking at the two final issues of the BPAN which are issues 62 and 63. On
the back cover of issue 61 which is 4th quarter 1998, it is apparent that Grant
had no intention of going beyond "1999/12" but he does indicate a willingness
to take 10 bucks for 4 issuesin 1999. He does say "Do not extend subsciptions
past Dec., 1999!" on the back cover of 62 and 63. He does give renewal amounts
for 1, 2, 3, or 4 issues on the back of issue 61. Issue 61 is the 4th
quarter of 1998 and that is when I renewed, on 12/31/98.
I sent him my 10 bucks on 12/31/1998. He cashed it, sent me two more issues and
then kept the rest.
My Mother never taught me to do acts like this, no matter how much help I may be
towards others. It is plain not right.
He could easily have sent me a check for 5 bucks back, less the stamp, and do the
same for all the other subscribers. Or at least ask us to donate the amount
to defray other costs he had over the years. He simply absconded with the
funds and has not shown himself since.
His reply, as printed below is just not the truth as I and many others see it.
As you appear to be his attorney, why don't you ask him if he would release the
old newsletters to public domain to settle the poor reputation he has amongst
us.
Chris
with hundreds of volunteer, unsung hours for many aviation causes over the years
Chris-- here is Grant's side of the story:
"About the claims of my "stealing" money from the
BPA -- For many months (2 years?) I published statements
saying "do not extend your subscription beyond 'such-and-such'
a date." (We are currently packed to move and I don't remember
the actual dates.) Many people sent payments anyway. Their
checks were not cashed. That was easier than paying for
postage to return their unwanted checks.
I am not much interested in saying the same thing over and over,
but if there are people who say I didn't contibute to the Pietenpol
movement, why not ask them to contribute to the current
movement? It seems to need something more than gripes."
-Grant-
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| Subject: | How cheap can we ALL get? |
Grant supplied these newsletters for $2.50 apiece! He set up the copy and did
the leg work. I don't think he did it for the money. How much do you guys make
an hour???
They are legally his , and he worked for them.
Anybody need some cheese with their Whine?
Piets have been around for a long time. Grants wasn't the first. No offense, but
why doesn't someone compile a new newsletter? With all the infro available
with the computer, someone could take the reines <sp> and toil in their basement,
and print a copy that we could all enjoy.
walt evans
NX140DL
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| Subject: | Re: How cheap can we ALL get? |
Walt,
You are right. You would put out a good newsletter.
Now, if someone does me wrong I usually turn cheek and find something better
to do than gripe. As my good father taught me" never say anything about anyone
unless it is good". I want to extend my apology to Mr. Grant Mc for the cruel
names toward him I made earlier today. He is totally innocent of taking my
$10 and I publicly state so. I have spent the last few hours going through old
checks and cannot find one I sent to him that was cashed. So he merely tore it
up and went on his way which he is priveledged to do. Not easy to beg
forgiveness, especially from a Yankee, but I hope he reads this and understands
my
feelings.
Corky in La looking for something better to do than find fault in others
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| Subject: | Re: I am a bulletin board jinx! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
On this day that I have verbally committed to buy
Howard Hendersons Pietenpol from Joe Santana and get
it back in Missouri where it belongs, it appears that
my BB jinx has struck again.
My mere presence on any bulletin board I take part in
is enough to have everyone at each others throats. It
is happining on a "busnuts" bulletin right now, and I
fear there will be bloodshed over there. It happened
on the Twin Comanche forum when I inquired as to
certain aspects of the landing gear of the twinkie and
was promptly called an idiot for asking the question
in the first place.
After my first Brodhead visit, I came away very
impressed with the comraderie of the Pietenpol group.
Since I am "buying" a plane, I will consider myself
unfullfilled and pretty much not worthy to sit at the
front of the bus with most of you, but I hope I will
be welcome, nonetheless.
When I started lurking around the various Pietenpol
sites, I was pretty impressed with all the work this
Grant McClaren guy seemed to be about to put together
and make very presentable. My hat is off to him. I
don't wish to get into the fisticuffs on this, but I
will tell you I was impressed......still am.
Since Chuck wouldn't allow me to squeeze my fat self
into his front cockpit, I decided I better take
matters in my own hands. So, in about two weeks, a
trailer will head east to Waynesboro, VA and haul back
Howards plane. I will figure out how to fly it a
little bit at a time. I intend to become more active
as time and y'all allow. I talked to Howard by phone
this morning and he was very helpful with my questions
about the plane and it's engine. I used to check into
the EAA ham radio net many years ago and chew the rag
with Howard and many others.....
So, I appologize for the jinx and resultant curse I
have put on this forum.
=====
Larry Nelson
Springfield, MO
Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
1963 GMC 4106-1618
SV/ Spirit of America
ARS WB0JOT
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| Subject: | Re: I am a bulletin board jinx! |
In a message dated 8/24/2004 8:07:03 PM Central Standard Time,
lnelson208@yahoo.com writes:
> I will consider myself
> unfullfilled and pretty much not worthy to sit at the
> front of the bus with most of you, but I hope I will
> be welcome, nonetheless.
>
Hi Larry,
For my part you're welcome to drive the bus. Anybody who has an older Bonanza
can't be all bad. Welcome aboard and best of luck with your new Pietenpol.
Tom Travis
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Hey Larry:
If you ever make it down here to Texas, you can sit on the front seat of our
stage coach anytime. Bring a Corona and we'll even let you ride shotgun if you
like. Bring 6 Coronas and you can ride the ponys pulling the stagecoach! Fly
an Air Camper down here and the TACOS will bestow some fancy title upon you,
much in the way we Knighted Chuck as "TACO Conquistador" for flying to far off
and distant lands.
Send me a mugshot of your charming face and I'll make a TACO ID card for you.
Membership in the TACOS is very hard by the way. A membership/ID card for our
Texas Air Camper Organization club is very exclusive.
The criteria...
You must state yes to at least one question in order to be a member of
TACO...
#1. Are you building an Air Camper?
#2. Have you built an Air Camper?
#3. Have you ever seen an airplane, or a picture of an airplane?
#4. Are you a Yankee?
#5. Are you a Southerner?
#6. Do you hope someday to own or fly or touch or sit in an Air Camper?
#7. Do you like Coronas?
If you answered "yes" to any above question, you are qualified. Your "ID"
card will be mailed along with information to the "secret" TACO handshake as soon
as I receive your picture. The secret TACO handshake is so secret, only a few
Texans and one guy in Canada and Kansas know how it is done.
Have fun and Blue Skies to you.
Sterling Brooks
TACO Loco
Knot-2-Shabby Airport & Texas Longhorn Cattle Ranch
5TA6 San Antonio Sectional
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Larry,
Welcome to the Johnny Come Lately Pietenpols. I'm still confused about the
buddy system of the club. The Piet list is good. Nice people on the net and even
better when you meet them in person. I've met a lot personally. Encountered
an A--Hole at Brodhead driving a Chevrolet Pick=up with a camper cover with
Illinois license. Wouldn't even dignify him enough to ask his name. That's the
ONLY negative encounter since I bought the plans from Don.
Do you still operate that nice sod strip in Springfield? Went in there
several times with my E-model Bonanza back in the mid sixties. A young fellow from
Arkansas opened a Shakey Pizza Parlor in Springfield and I supplied him with a
coin-operated player piano which I built during this period. Flew in for
maintenance checks. That young fellow from Arkansas now owns the Dallas Cowboys
football team. Yep, Jerry Jones and a fine fellow to do business with.
Sorry for the long drawn out story.
Corky
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Your criteria for membership brought back some fond memories which I would
like to share, with your patience;
Back in '86 I decided to form a German Band. I called all the former high
school German Band members who were still living and mustered 4 who still could
play and still had teeth. It had been 1939 since we tooted together. We needed
some additional members so we established our criteria for membership:
1 Must be over 60
2 Can't be a smoker
3 Must have grey hair. ( Gives you a look of wisdom)
4 Must have had hemorodes ( Gives one a look of concern )
5 Must own his own instrument.
We organized and played for 15 years until our ranks diminished to the point
no new ones could qualify
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In a message dated 8/24/2004 8:47:04 PM Central Standard Time,
Isablcorky@aol.com writes:
> Must have had hemorodes ( Gives one a look of concern )
> We organized and played for 15 years until our ranks diminished to the point
> no new ones could qualify
Congratulations on being cured.
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In an effort to offer some much needed RELIEF from the last dozen or so posts,
I'd like to ask a question.
What is the bluish-green residue that seems to find it's way into and around
anything associated with 100LL gas? I've seen this stuff show up around the gascolator,
on the firewall (and belly) below the gascolator. I had a 150 for 4
years and NEVER saw this stuff. I'm running a Stromberg on my A-65 . Does this
stuff collect and form within the carb bowl or just where it meets free air?
I've also seen it collect around the intke of a motorcycle carburetor (when
I used a little to run the engine).
It sure makes a mess. Is there anything that will get it off of WHITE Polytone
paint. (short of using MEK) Then I'll have to re-paint anyway.
Thanks
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Bert,
It is a dye that is added to the fuel so that it can identified specifically as
100LL aviation fuel. There used to be other colours including purple for the
100/145 octane and red for the 80 octane. There was a 100 octane at one time
that I believe was green. It had more lead than 100 Low Lead hence the LL added
to the 100LL as this is a carryover from the old days.
The other reason for the dye is that it is useful as a leak indicator. If you
see the goop accumulating, then there is a leak or seep there. The fuel evaporates
but the dye will not. I lost 12.5 gallons once out of a bad seal on the
Cessna 140 sump drain and all I had left for the 30 bucks of fuel was a blue
dot. A good reason to always check the tank level by looking in the tank because
I was convinced I had the fuel.....and something was wrong with the indicator.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Bert Conoly
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:I have a question...
In an effort to offer some much needed RELIEF from the last dozen or so posts,
I'd like to ask a question.
What is the bluish-green residue that seems to find it's way into and around
anything associated with 100LL gas? I've seen this stuff show up around the
gascolator, on the firewall (and belly) below the gascolator. I had a 150 for
4 years and NEVER saw this stuff. I'm running a Stromberg on my A-65 . Does
this stuff collect and form within the carb bowl or just where it meets free
air? I've also seen it collect around the intke of a motorcycle carburetor (when
I used a little to run the engine).
It sure makes a mess. Is there anything that will get it off of WHITE Polytone
paint. (short of using MEK) Then I'll have to re-paint anyway.
Thanks
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
Larry,
Corky and I needed to vent.
Chris
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| Subject: | Pietenpols around DFW? |
BlankHow many are around here? I'm pretty sure that in 6-12 months I'll be
looking for one, but I haven't really been around them a lot, and have never
had a chance to fly in one. I'd be glad to buy someone's lunch and gas in
exchange for a ride. It would be nice to get to know a few owners as well.
I did see an Air Camper and a Sky Scout at the Reklaw fly-in last year, does
anyone here ever make it to Reklaw?
Thanks for any information!
Steve Ruse
Irving, TX
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| Subject: | Cross Country - Tour America !! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
Hey Pietenpol Group,
I've finally totaled up all the various notes I took on my Big Adventure.
This was the most enjoyable trip I could ever imagine. The support group from
this list was key to making it that way. I am truely in debt to Jim Markle,
Max Davis, Terry Bowden (Sterling and the whole TACO group), Jon Jones, Corky,
Dennis E. and many others, for your generosity and support. I had only a few
minor problems with the engine and airframe. On many occasions throughout the
trip, folks would offer their help. Americana is Alive and Well !! This was
such a wonderful trip, that I would like to post stories about each stop I
made, and I plan to do so over the next several months.
Here are the totals :
Gone from the Hanger : 26 Days
Total hours logged : 69.7 hrs.
Total Tach Time Spent : 61.67 hrs.
Total Fuel Consumed : 288 gal.
Total Oil Consumed : 7qt. ? (+ 4 qt. oil change @ Brodhead)
Total Miles Covered (plus the rides I gave) : 3100 Miles
Total Landings : 62
Total bottles of Baby Oil : 32
Total rides given : 35
Total money spent (est.) : $1270
Average Speed : 66 mph
Average price of Fuel : $2.50 per gal.
Spent 6 nights in the tent
Spent 10 nights with family
Spent 4 nights with friends
Spent 5 nights in a motel
11 States I flew through:
Kansas
Oklahoma
Texas
Louisiana
Misouri
Arkansas
Illinois
Wisconson
Indiana
Ohio
West Virginia
Chuck Gantzer
NX770CG
looking forward to the next adventure...where every flight is an adventure !!
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| Subject: | Re: tenpol-List:I have a question... |
Now THIS is why I have tuned in for several years. Thanks Chris. Good Info.
BC
----- Original Message -----
From: Christian Bobka
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:I have a question...
Bert,
It is a dye that is added to the fuel so that it can identified specifically
as 100LL aviation fuel. There used to be other colours including purple for the
100/145 octane and red for the 80 octane. There was a 100 octane at one time
that I believe was green. It had more lead than 100 Low Lead hence the LL
added to the 100LL as this is a carryover from the old days.
The other reason for the dye is that it is useful as a leak indicator. If you
see the goop accumulating, then there is a leak or seep there. The fuel evaporates
but the dye will not. I lost 12.5 gallons once out of a bad seal on the
Cessna 140 sump drain and all I had left for the 30 bucks of fuel was a blue
dot. A good reason to always check the tank level by looking in the tank because
I was convinced I had the fuel.....and something was wrong with the indicator.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Bert Conoly
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:I have a question...
In an effort to offer some much needed RELIEF from the last dozen or so posts,
I'd like to ask a question.
What is the bluish-green residue that seems to find it's way into and around
anything associated with 100LL gas? I've seen this stuff show up around the
gascolator, on the firewall (and belly) below the gascolator. I had a 150 for
4 years and NEVER saw this stuff. I'm running a Stromberg on my A-65 . Does
this stuff collect and form within the carb bowl or just where it meets free
air? I've also seen it collect around the intke of a motorcycle carburetor
(when I used a little to run the engine).
It sure makes a mess. Is there anything that will get it off of WHITE Polytone
paint. (short of using MEK) Then I'll have to re-paint anyway.
Thanks
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| Subject: | Pietenpols around DFW? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Ruse" <steve@wotelectronics.com>
BlankJim,
Reklaw is a great fly-in, south of Tyler near Jacksonville, TX. Near 300
planes last year I believe. Just a BIG grass strip in the middle of nowhere,
the fly-in is a weekend event late in October (last weekend every October, I
believe). There is plenty of food on site, and you can camp there or take a
shuttle to a nearby hotel if you aren't that adventurous. I don't mind
tents, but the lack of showers means I'll be staying in a hotel. I'll
probably fly down from Grayson on Friday or Saturday morning.
More info:
http://www.globalair.com/discussions/Georges_Hangar/article~/msgID=363
Thanks for the information, its good to hear about so many under
construction! I'll have to make the rounds before long and see some of
these projects. I'd like to see your videos, what is the best way to get
them? My e-mail should be able to handle at least a 30Mb attachment if you
want to send them direct: steve@wotelectronics.com.
Thanks for the information!
Steve Ruse
405-209-9010
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Markle [mailto:jim_markle@mindspring.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:31 PM
To: Piet-Steve Ruse Irving TX
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols around DFW?
Hi Steve,
There's one down a few miles south of Dallas at O'brien Airport (Mike
King's GN1) and one at Lancaster, DL Grammont's Pietenpol Air Camper.
One under construction by Tom Travis and Jeff Hill and I'm building one
here in Plano.
Also, near Grandview (SW of Ft Worth) Hank Styne just completed his a few
months ago. Has just a few hours on it.
Don't know about rides around here but I can tell you it will be a treat.
I took videos of my first rides, in a Moedl A powered Air Camper and an A65
powered Air Camper, and comverted them to mpegs. I would be glad to share
the mpegs if you like.
I've never even heard of Reklaw but will sure look it up!
Jim Markle
469.371.0669
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Ruse
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols around DFW?
How many are around here? I'm pretty sure that in 6-12 months I'll be
looking for one, but I haven't really been around them a lot, and have never
had a chance to fly in one. I'd be glad to buy someone's lunch and gas in
exchange for a ride. It would be nice to get to know a few owners as well.
I did see an Air Camper and a Sky Scout at the Reklaw fly-in last year,
does anyone here ever make it to Reklaw?
Thanks for any information!
Steve Ruse
Irving, TX
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