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1. 04:05 AM - Re: Mike (Michael D Cuy)
2. 04:18 AM - Congratulations, Larry !!!!! (Michael D Cuy)
3. 06:43 AM - Re: Pietenpols around DFW? (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
4. 08:36 AM - BPA Newsletter copyright (TBYH@aol.com)
5. 09:06 AM - I am a bulletin board jinx! (Brett Phillips)
6. 09:22 AM - Re: BPA Newsletter copyright (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
7. 09:57 AM - Re: BPA Newsletter copyright (Christian Bobka)
8. 09:57 AM - Re: BPA Newsletter copyright (Christian Bobka)
9. 10:19 AM - BPA Newsletter Copyright (Barry Davis)
10. 10:21 AM - VERY long response.....t: BPA Newsletter copyright (Jim Markle)
11. 10:35 AM - BPA newsletters (Bill Church)
12. 10:51 AM - Re: BPA Newsletter Copyright (Christian Bobka)
13. 12:27 PM - Re: I have a question... (Barry Davis)
14. 01:54 PM - Re: Congratulations, Larry !!!!! (walt evans)
15. 01:58 PM - copyright SNAFU (walt evans)
16. 02:12 PM - Re: copyright SNAFU (Jim Markle)
17. 02:27 PM - Re: I am a bulletin board jinx! (Larry Nelson)
18. 02:34 PM - flying strut fittings (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
19. 02:34 PM - lift strut fittings (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
20. 08:19 PM - rib stitching (Ralph)
21. 08:28 PM - airspeed (Richard Navratil)
22. 10:24 PM - Re: rib stitching (Richard Navratil)
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At 05:12 PM 8/24/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Mike,
>
>I am looking at the two final issues of the BPAN which are issues 62 and
>63. On the back cover of issue 61 which is 4th quarter 1998, it is
>apparent that Grant had no intention of going beyond "1999/12" but he does
>indicate a willingness to take 10 bucks for 4 issuesin 1999. He does say
>"Do not extend subsciptions past Dec., 1999!" on the back cover of 62 and
>63. He does give renewal amounts for 1, 2, 3, or 4 issues on the back of
>issue 61. Issue 61 is the 4th quarter of 1998 and that is when I renewed,
>on 12/31/98.
> I sent him my 10 bucks on 12/31/1998. He cashed it, sent me two more
> issues and then kept the rest.
> Chris-- Obviously Grant made a mistake in your subscription by cashing
> your check and not sending you the remainder of your issues. Like I
> said, you are out about $ 7.50.
>My Mother never taught me to do acts like this, no matter how much help I
>may be towards others. It is plain not right.
> Well that is a good way to live, and I appreciate her instilling those
> values in you, but the bible says that if we do not forgive others of
> their wrongs against us that neither will our Father in Heaven forgive us
> for our transgressions (of which I know I personally have many). I like
> to error on the side of the almighty God who has given me life, life in a
> superb country, and given me the gift of flight, airplanes, and good
> health.
>He could easily have sent me a check for 5 bucks back, less the stamp, and
>do the same for all the other subscribers. Or at least ask us to donate
>the amount to defray other costs he had over the years. He simply
>absconded with the funds and has not shown himself since.
> You are right, but it seems his intent to not cash and not return checks
> was in the right place and unfortunately, your check was cashed and you
> are due a refund. An announcement might have been in order, seeing
> that he was in the throws of a major remodelling project on his house and
> about to move. I suppose that when you've had to go to upgrade
> training or had some major life event, that some things do slip thru the
> cracks and become so small in importance that they do not matter at the
> time. Possibly this could explain what happened with Grant and his
> family. I don't know for sure.
>His reply, as printed below is just not the truth as I and many others see
>it. As you appear to be his attorney, why don't you ask him if he would
>release the old newsletters to public domain to settle the poor reputation
>he has amongst us.
> Actually I'm just defending what Grant has done for us in the big
> picture and that I think it is pretty childish and foolish of mature
> adults to bicker over a few bucks and a few newsletters that didn't get
> done. I do think that dwelling on the small negatives of these issues
> takes away the phenominal efforts that Grant provided to us out of his
> own time, effort, and expense. I'm not saying that what Grant wrote
> is gospel, I'm just posting it for you to read. I've heard your side
> and others, and then Grant's side. As with many cases of
> litigation, some cases are clearly right or wrong, others have grey areas
> where both sides have some truth and some falsehoods intermingled. For
> these issues, I really don't care who is telling the truth and who is
> not, but that we appreciate the big picture here, which in my simple mind
> far outshines and overshadows any of the negatives that might have fallen
> out.
>Chris
>with hundreds of volunteer, unsung hours for many aviation causes over the
>years
> No doubt, Chris. You have been a great contributor to the list and I
> know you have helped countless others with your vast knowledge of
> technical expertise in things related to aviation-------my dissapointment
> is in your seemingly bitter attitude towards life sometimes. I say,
> lighten up and enjoy what gifts that God has given to you and when things
> happen that you don't like or seem unfair, just think of how good we have
> it compared to 90% of the rest of the world.
All the best to you and yours !
Mike
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| Subject: | Congratulations, Larry !!!!! |
Larry---GREAT to hear that you have made a verbal committment to purchase
Howard Henderson's NX44MH from
Joe Santana. Both Grant and Howard will be glad to see her gracing the
skies over the St. Louis area. Super news !
You are no less than the rest of us on the list----we are all Piet or GN-1
nuts, and so welcome to the fun !
Mike C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpols around DFW? |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Hi Steve...
Welcome. If there's any place where there's nice folks eager to spur you on toward
building and flying a great little airplane.... you've found it! There's
a few of us in Central Texas working on projects. I am SW of Waco about 30 minutes
near Moody TX. You're welcome to stop by any time you are in the area.
Mine's not flying yet, but I'll let you sit in it and make noises. We have
a little airstrip called Tick Hill not yet on the sectional.... but soon will
be.
Follow the link below... you can look up my project, Jim Markel's, Max Davis',
and many other Piet builders from all over.
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList.cfm?Menu=PhotoGallery
--
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
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| Subject: | BPA Newsletter copyright |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TBYH@aol.com
Too bad that Grant MacLaren will not let us copy the old BPA newsletters, however
I'm not so sure he owns the copyright to the BPA newsletter or even has the
authority to deny BPA members that right.
I'm a new member of the Brodhead Pietenpol group and plan to start building this
fall and so my two cents probably isn't really worth two cents.
However, it seems to me that if the BPA newsletter was produced, distributed and
published by the Buckeye Pietenpol Association members through their dues, then
it is they who own the copyright and have the authority to grant or deny reprint
rightsand not the editor who was doing the work for the BPA, regardless
of whether or not he was compensated.
After all, it does say "Buckeye Pietenpol Association Newsletter" and not "Grant
MacLaren's BPA Newsletter." I believe copyright law will show that copyright
usually belongs to the publishing organization, not the individual editor (unless
they are the same person, perhaps.)
If the editor was editing, writing and producing the newsletter specifically for
the members of the BPA, and it was being printed and mailed using funds from
the BPA members, then I would say that the BPA and its members own the copyright
and I would question the editor's right to claim that he owns the copyright.
Conversely, the copyright for all the technical, marketing and advertising materials
that I write for my employer (a major commercial air conditioning company),
including articles that I write and send to trade publications on behalf of
my employer, even with my byline on it, belongs to my employer and not to me.
Similarly, unless EAA has a special contract with the editor of Sport Aviation,
I can promise you that the copyright to each issue of Sport Aviation magazine
belongs to EAA (individual article copyright may remain with the article's author,
depending upon the deal negotiated) and that if you started reproducing
and distributing "Sport Aviation" magazine, you'd hear from EAA's lawyers and
not the editor's lawyers.
Bottom line, because the BPA newsletter was published and distributed using BPA
dues, then I believe the copyright for the BPA newsletter belongs to the BPA
members and if a member wants to make copies for anyone they desire, they have
that right. I'm a strong advocate of an author's right to claim copyright, but
in this case I believe it is the BPA members that hold the copyright -- it was
the members that paid dues to have a newsletter produced and distributed. If
the members of the BPA want to republish the old newsletters, and even make
a profit at it, I believe they'd have every right to proceed.
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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| Subject: | I am a bulletin board jinx! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Brett Phillips" <bphillip@shentel.net>
Larry:
Congratulations on your purchase! My father and I did the same thing last
fall when we bought Kerri Anne Price's airplane and hauled it home. We
still don't have it assembled yet, due to some details, but we are working
toward making it a queen of the sky again. We are located just north of
Waynesboro, VA by about an hours' drive. If you need any help, please let
me know. In fact, I'd be interested in coming down just to see 44MH.
Again, if you need a hand, let me know!
Brett Phillips
Strasburg, VA
<>
So, in about two weeks, a
trailer will head east to Waynesboro, VA and haul back
Howards plane. I will figure out how to fly it a
little bit at a time. I intend to become more active
as time and y'all allow. I talked to Howard by phone
this morning and he was very helpful with my questions
about the plane and it's engine. I used to check into
the EAA ham radio net many years ago and chew the rag
with Howard and many others.....
So, I appologize for the jinx and resultant curse I
have put on this forum.
=====
Larry Nelson
Springfield, MO
Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
1963 GMC 4106-1618
SV/ Spirit of America
ARS WB0JOT
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| Subject: | Re: BPA Newsletter copyright |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Grant....All I want to know is...
What do YOU have to gain by preventing the spread of this information? I don't
see that it gains you in any way. Maybe you'll sell a few back issues. But
I doubt there are many people that are interested in buying back issues if they
exist... mainly because of forums like this that you can usually find the answer
to any question that comes up.
What do Pietenpol builders and matronics forum members of past, present, and future
have to gain if you would condone the spread of this information? The way
I see it... we would gain a whole decade and a half (or however long) of builder's
input toward building tips, safety concerns, cost saving ideas, etc. that
occurred in a paper forum similar to this electronic forum. You claim all
of this information is yours, yet most of it was shared by the BPA members.
Does this mean all of these Pietenpol emails are solely owned by matronics or Matt
Dralle? I think the right thing for you to do is just allow the info to be
placed on a public internet site. I believe that you stand to gain WAY more
in doing this.
GRANT... the members of BPA, Matronics, Broadhead Piet Group, TACOs and whoever
else is trying to duplicate Bernard's great little airplane should have the benefit
of the many year's input and experiences of past builders. If for no other
reason....to promote the SAFETY of design that we all strive for. And we
would all have YOU to thank and hold in honor for being the proponent of the
spirit and good will of the Pietenpol mistique during and after your tenure as
the focal moderator of information. You should let your Legacy remain intact
as is deserved for promoting Pietenpols.... not for stifling the group in a negative
way.
--
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
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| Subject: | Re: BPA Newsletter copyright |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
Thank you Terry.
Chris
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <BARNSTMR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: BPA Newsletter copyright
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
>
> Grant....All I want to know is...
>
> What do YOU have to gain by preventing the spread of this information? I
don't see that it gains you in any way. Maybe you'll sell a few back
issues. But I doubt there are many people that are interested in buying
back issues if they exist... mainly because of forums like this that you can
usually find the answer to any question that comes up.
>
> What do Pietenpol builders and matronics forum members of past, present,
and future have to gain if you would condone the spread of this information?
The way I see it... we would gain a whole decade and a half (or however
long) of builder's input toward building tips, safety concerns, cost saving
ideas, etc. that occurred in a paper forum similar to this electronic forum.
You claim all of this information is yours, yet most of it was shared by the
BPA members.
>
> Does this mean all of these Pietenpol emails are solely owned by matronics
or Matt Dralle? I think the right thing for you to do is just allow the
info to be placed on a public internet site. I believe that you stand to
gain WAY more in doing this.
>
> GRANT... the members of BPA, Matronics, Broadhead Piet Group, TACOs and
whoever else is trying to duplicate Bernard's great little airplane should
have the benefit of the many year's input and experiences of past builders.
If for no other reason....to promote the SAFETY of design that we all strive
for. And we would all have YOU to thank and hold in honor for being the
proponent of the spirit and good will of the Pietenpol mistique during and
after your tenure as the focal moderator of information. You should let
your Legacy remain intact as is deserved for promoting Pietenpols.... not
for stifling the group in a negative way.
>
> --
> Terry L. Bowden
> ph 254-715-4773
> fax 254-853-3805
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: BPA Newsletter copyright |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
Good point Fred.
Chris
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <TBYH@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: BPA Newsletter copyright
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TBYH@aol.com
>
> Too bad that Grant MacLaren will not let us copy the old BPA newsletters,
however I'm not so sure he owns the copyright to the BPA newsletter or even
has the authority to deny BPA members that right.
>
> I'm a new member of the Brodhead Pietenpol group and plan to start
building this fall and so my two cents probably isn't really worth two
cents.
>
> However, it seems to me that if the BPA newsletter was produced,
distributed and published by the Buckeye Pietenpol Association members
through their dues, then it is they who own the copyright and have the
authority to grant or deny reprint rightsand not the editor who was doing
the work for the BPA, regardless of whether or not he was compensated.
>
> After all, it does say "Buckeye Pietenpol Association Newsletter" and not
"Grant MacLaren's BPA Newsletter." I believe copyright law will show that
copyright usually belongs to the publishing organization, not the individual
editor (unless they are the same person, perhaps.)
>
> If the editor was editing, writing and producing the newsletter
specifically for the members of the BPA, and it was being printed and mailed
using funds from the BPA members, then I would say that the BPA and its
members own the copyright and I would question the editor's right to claim
that he owns the copyright.
>
> Conversely, the copyright for all the technical, marketing and advertising
materials that I write for my employer (a major commercial air conditioning
company), including articles that I write and send to trade publications on
behalf of my employer, even with my byline on it, belongs to my employer
and not to me.
>
> Similarly, unless EAA has a special contract with the editor of Sport
Aviation, I can promise you that the copyright to each issue of Sport
Aviation magazine belongs to EAA (individual article copyright may remain
with the article's author, depending upon the deal negotiated) and that if
you started reproducing and distributing "Sport Aviation" magazine, you'd
hear from EAA's lawyers and not the editor's lawyers.
>
> Bottom line, because the BPA newsletter was published and distributed
using BPA dues, then I believe the copyright for the BPA newsletter belongs
to the BPA members and if a member wants to make copies for anyone they
desire, they have that right. I'm a strong advocate of an author's right to
claim copyright, but in this case I believe it is the BPA members that hold
the copyright -- it was the members that paid dues to have a newsletter
produced and distributed. If the members of the BPA want to republish the
old newsletters, and even make a profit at it, I believe they'd have every
right to proceed.
>
> Fred B.
> La Crosse, WI
>
>
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| Subject: | BPA Newsletter Copyright |
When I became interested in Pietenpol's, I bought all the old newsletters from
MacLaren. He sold me all the letters that he had "copied" from Frank P. as part
of his package. I wonder if he had permission to copy the old letters and make
a profit for himself and not the organization.
As for the dues, I also was suckered-in on the request to save money and pay 4
years in advance. OUCH!!! Yea he got me for 4 years dues. No, he won't return
my emails or calls either.
Barry Davis
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| Subject: | VERY long response.....t: BPA Newsletter copyright |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
I know enough about copyright issues to know for absolute certainty that
there would be plenty of room for a legal action AND a successful defense of
that action. If nothing else, my (costly) past "interactions" with the
legal profession have shown that EVERY battle can be won OR lost, and not
necessarily based on what's right or wrong or moral or ethical. A lot of
factors determine who "wins" and who "loses". This would not be as clear
cut as some would hope. But one thing's for sure, WE would all lose, no
matter what the legal outcome.
Having said that, the fact remains:.....I'm not making any copies. Period.
I will say that I was really surprised (and a bit embarrassed actually) at
what a simple "can I make some copies? no? ok..." turned into yesterday.
That lpossibly happened because of my failure to communicate clearly or from
OVER communicating.
For THAT, I apologize.
Frankly, my initial reaction was, "ok, I love sharing the reference material
others have shared with me and I love helping spread the "Pietenpol"
message. But threats of legal action? The heck with it, I'll just shut up
and mind my own business from now on." Then I realized that I had just
added one more negative to an issue that had already been blown out of
proportion. Then I saw a LOT of messages I wanted to reply to and realized
again, I would just be adding more negatives to an issue that has already
been blown out of proportion.
No, I do not agree with (what I perceive as) the spirit of Mr. MacLaren's
position, inspite of having some idea why he has taken this position.
Actually, when I realized there were people out there willing to pay money
for what he has reprinted, I decided to make the cd's myself and send them
out myself and ask only that a "contribution" be sent directly to him.
Seemed like a win-win-win to me (even with the fact that I would be doing
this "labor of love" for free....) But I WILL support Mr MacLaren's
position. And I'll move on.....
What do you say we ALL move on now and leave this issue alone?
This note is NOT intended to encourage a continuation of the discussion. In
fact, just the opposite. If you just can't help yourself and feel compelled
to reply to me or whatever, PLEASE do it offline. Everyone's been
annoyed/distracted enough for one decade.....
Jim in Plano....READY TO MOVE ON!!!!! :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: <TBYH@aol.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: BPA Newsletter copyright
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: TBYH@aol.com
>
> Too bad that Grant MacLaren will not let us copy the old BPA newsletters,
however I'm not so sure he owns the copyright to the BPA newsletter or even
has the authority to deny BPA members that right.
>
> I'm a new member of the Brodhead Pietenpol group and plan to start
building this fall and so my two cents probably isn't really worth two
cents.
>
> However, it seems to me that if the BPA newsletter was produced,
distributed and published by the Buckeye Pietenpol Association members
through their dues, then it is they who own the copyright and have the
authority to grant or deny reprint rightsand not the editor who was doing
the work for the BPA, regardless of whether or not he was compensated.
>
> After all, it does say "Buckeye Pietenpol Association Newsletter" and not
"Grant MacLaren's BPA Newsletter." I believe copyright law will show that
copyright usually belongs to the publishing organization, not the individual
editor (unless they are the same person, perhaps.)
>
> If the editor was editing, writing and producing the newsletter
specifically for the members of the BPA, and it was being printed and mailed
using funds from the BPA members, then I would say that the BPA and its
members own the copyright and I would question the editor's right to claim
that he owns the copyright.
>
> Conversely, the copyright for all the technical, marketing and advertising
materials that I write for my employer (a major commercial air conditioning
company), including articles that I write and send to trade publications on
behalf of my employer, even with my byline on it, belongs to my employer
and not to me.
>
> Similarly, unless EAA has a special contract with the editor of Sport
Aviation, I can promise you that the copyright to each issue of Sport
Aviation magazine belongs to EAA (individual article copyright may remain
with the article's author, depending upon the deal negotiated) and that if
you started reproducing and distributing "Sport Aviation" magazine, you'd
hear from EAA's lawyers and not the editor's lawyers.
>
> Bottom line, because the BPA newsletter was published and distributed
using BPA dues, then I believe the copyright for the BPA newsletter belongs
to the BPA members and if a member wants to make copies for anyone they
desire, they have that right. I'm a strong advocate of an author's right to
claim copyright, but in this case I believe it is the BPA members that hold
the copyright -- it was the members that paid dues to have a newsletter
produced and distributed. If the members of the BPA want to republish the
old newsletters, and even make a profit at it, I believe they'd have every
right to proceed.
>
> Fred B.
> La Crosse, WI
>
>
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com>
Hello Grant,
You don't know me.
However, I feel the need to apologize for inadvertently causing a few people
to vent frustrations which I feel should have been long forgotten. Here's
the story.
I am just getting into building a Pietenpol. I began my search for
information about this fine aircraft on the internet. Of course, I
encountered your very informative and extremely helpful website. It contains
a wealth of information. In reading through your site, I found the Pietenpol
family website, and found out about Brodhead and countless other essential
bits of information for Piet fans/builders. Eventually, I joined the
Pietenpol discussion group on the web, and visited Brodhead. The
friendliness and willingness to help of all those I encountered struck me. I
decided to take the plunge and build one of these wonderful antique
airplanes, knowing that there was a great group of people out there willing
to help along the way. I ordered my plans from Don Pietenpol, and I am now
sourcing wood.
In my few postings to the Piet discussion group, I have found everyone's
response to be friendly and helpful, and willing to share whatever insights
they have gained through their experience. Through one of these postings,
and following some e-mail discussion with Pietenpol builder, Jim Markle. Jim
indicated that he had some old copies of the BPA newsletters, which he said
were full of great builders' tips and historical info. I have seen a few
copies of the great newsletter you published for all those years, and was
sad to hear that they were no longer available. He indicated that he would
be willing to loan them to me (from down in Texas to up in Ontario). In
trying to figure out the best way to get those newsletters from South to
North (and through customs), we discussed several options. Eventually the
idea of copying them onto a CD came up, and, at the time it seemed like a
great idea. Since the newsletter's original purpose was to share information
and help fellow builders, the idea of sharing copies of the past newsletters
seemed to be in the same spirit. There was never any intent to infringe upon
your copyright. There was never any talk of anyone making a profit. The idea
was simply to share knowledge.
The reaction of a few people on the discussion group, when it was made clear
that you did not give anyone permission to duplicate your newsletters, was
surprising. I found it hard to believe that anyone would harbour resentment
for five years, over the apparent loss of a few dollars. And according to
information supplied by Mike Cuy, you stated that you effectively did refund
subscriptions, by simply not cashing checks.
Having seen the interest expressed in being able to obtain copies of the
full series of the BPA newsletter, I pose the following question: Have you
ever considered publishing complete sets of the old newsletters? Another
idea would be to compile all the old issues on a CD, which you could offer
for sale to all of us newbies, who didn't know about the BPA newsletters
when they were being published? I think the assumption was that you were no
longer interested in publishing and distributing and al the headaches that
go with all of that (maybe I'm wrong). It seems a shame to prevent the
sharing of all that great information.
Nonetheless, let me close by saying that I (and many others) truly
appreciate the fact that you have kept your BPA website open, following the
demise of the newsletter. Thanks for keeping the information in it
available.
Sincerely,
Bill Church
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d="scan'217,208"; a="233974559:sNHT19086912"
| Subject: | Re: BPA Newsletter Copyright |
We are all building airplanes that will be licensed as experimental-amateur built
and, if you read the definition of this elsewhere in the regs, it means that
the aircraft must be built for the education of the builder, among a few other
reasons.
If one wishes to copy the newsletters to further the education of others who are
building Experimental-ABs, then this is no different than when I legally photocopied
copyrighted stuff and legally distributed it to my students at UT-Austin.
I don't think Grant has anything to say on the matter.
chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Davis
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 12:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: BPA Newsletter Copyright
When I became interested in Pietenpol's, I bought all the old newsletters from
MacLaren. He sold me all the letters that he had "copied" from Frank P. as part
of his package. I wonder if he had permission to copy the old letters and
make a profit for himself and not the organization.
As for the dues, I also was suckered-in on the request to save money and pay
4 years in advance. OUCH!!! Yea he got me for 4 years dues. No, he won't return
my emails or calls either.
Barry Davis
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d="scan'217,208"; a="246020594:sNHT21262296"
| Subject: | Re: tenpol-List:I have a question... |
Bert
Well, Chris beat me to the answer. Aside from identifying fuel type, the dye is
a dang good leak detector. I don't think the oil companies planned it, just kinda
happened that way.
I have had some success removing the blue with Wesley's Bleach White. Be sure to
wax after use. The wax will also hold the blue away from the paint and help
keep it from soaking in.
Disclaimer: this is not 100% effective, but helps
Sorry for the legal stuff... but with all the copyright ruckus, just covering the
old 6. (This is a joke)
If near Atl. come to the Piet. Factory.
Barry Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: Bert Conoly
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:I have a question...
In an effort to offer some much needed RELIEF from the last dozen or so posts,
I'd like to ask a question.
What is the bluish-green residue that seems to find it's way into and around
anything associated with 100LL gas? I've seen this stuff show up around the
gascolator, on the firewall (and belly) below the gascolator. I had a 150 for
4 years and NEVER saw this stuff. I'm running a Stromberg on my A-65 . Does
this stuff collect and form within the carb bowl or just where it meets free
air? I've also seen it collect around the intke of a motorcycle carburetor (when
I used a little to run the engine).
It sure makes a mess. Is there anything that will get it off of WHITE Polytone
paint. (short of using MEK) Then I'll have to re-paint anyway.
Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Congratulations, Larry !!!!! |
Hit it right on the head!!
Ain't life still grand?
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael D Cuy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 7:18 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Congratulations, Larry !!!!!
Larry---GREAT to hear that you have made a verbal committment to purchase Howard
Henderson's NX44MH from
Joe Santana. Both Grant and Howard will be glad to see her gracing the skies
over the St. Louis area. Super news !
You are no less than the rest of us on the list----we are all Piet or GN-1 nuts,
and so welcome to the fun !
Mike C.
do not archive
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What I don't understand , is that not a week after everyone wanted to lynch a guy
who was selling/stealing Piet plans on the net,,,,,do we condemn a guy who
wants no one to take his copyrighted stuff.
Guess what makes it either right or wrong depends on if we want it or if we'll
lose it.
walt evans
NX140DL
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| Subject: | Re: copyright SNAFU |
Question for the group, I'm adding the last set of compression struts between the
spars and wondered if there's any issue with running the grain vertically versus
horizontally? Looking at the twisting forces, I'm thinking maybe vertical
would be logical.
Does it make any difference?
Maybe someone has done the analysis?
I don't think it will make any difference but now that I think about it, I want
it right....
Jim in Plano
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 3:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: copyright SNAFU
What I don't understand , is that not a week after everyone wanted to lynch a
guy who was selling/stealing Piet plans on the net,,,,,do we condemn a guy who
wants no one to take his copyrighted stuff.
Guess what makes it either right or wrong depends on if we want it or if we'll
lose it.
walt evans
NX140DL
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| Subject: | Re: I am a bulletin board jinx! |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
Thanks for the offer, Brett. I will try to remember to
email you the itinerary. So far we are tentatively set
for loading her up around noon on 9 Sep. I am not sure
where Joe Santana's airport is. Make note to
self...........
--- Brett Phillips <bphillip@shentel.net> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Brett
> Phillips" <bphillip@shentel.net>
>
> Larry:
>
> Congratulations on your purchase! My father and I
> did the same thing last
> fall when we bought Kerri Anne Price's airplane and
> hauled it home. We
> still don't have it assembled yet, due to some
> details, but we are working
> toward making it a queen of the sky again. We are
> located just north of
> Waynesboro, VA by about an hours' drive. If you
> need any help, please let
> me know. In fact, I'd be interested in coming down
> just to see 44MH.
> Again, if you need a hand, let me know!
>
> Brett Phillips
> Strasburg, VA
>
>
> <>
>
> So, in about two weeks, a
> trailer will head east to Waynesboro, VA and haul
> back
> Howards plane. I will figure out how to fly it a
> little bit at a time. I intend to become more active
> as time and y'all allow. I talked to Howard by phone
> this morning and he was very helpful with my
> questions
> about the plane and it's engine. I used to check
> into
> the EAA ham radio net many years ago and chew the
> rag
> with Howard and many others.....
>
> So, I appologize for the jinx and resultant curse I
> have put on this forum.
>
> =====
> Larry Nelson
> Springfield, MO
> Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
> 1963 GMC 4106-1618
> SV/ Spirit of America
> ARS WB0JOT
>
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> any other
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Larry Nelson
Springfield, MO
Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
1963 GMC 4106-1618
SV/ Spirit of America
ARS WB0JOT
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| Subject: | flying strut fittings |
On the long fuselage plans the flying strut fittings are 10 5/32" long. On the
original plans the fittings are about 6" long. The distance from the center is
given to a 1/4" bolt, but not the bolt that the strut attaches to.
Does anyone know where the longer flyin strut fitting should be attached on the
spar and where on the plans can I find this?
Dennis
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| Subject: | lift strut fittings |
Does anyone know where the lift strut fittings attach on the spars? I am using
the extended fuselage version on the corvair supplement.
Dennis
om the center is given to a 1/4" bolt, but not the bolt that the strut attaches
to.
Does anyone know where the longer flyin strut fitting should be attached on the
spar and where on the plans can I find this?
Dennis
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ralph" <ralphhsd@itctel.com>
I am looking for information on rib stitching. Some time back (several
years) I was shown rib stitching that as I recall, pulled the knots under
the fabric as you progressed to the next stitch. I can't find any
information on it now that I need it. Can some one help me out on this? I
also saw an illustrated article a few months ago ( I think) that showed a
mock set up to practice rib stitching. I only subscribe to the Pietenpol
news letter and EAA Sport Pilot but seem unable to find the article. Does
anyone recall seeing such an article.
Thanks for any help
Carol and Ralph
Raymond
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Hey all,
I have been having a problem with airspeed readings, the readings are way low.
The main question is that I located my pitot tube thru the leading edge of the
wing. I have been trying to adjust the angle of the tube but so far no improvement.
I know the guage works because readings go up in decent. I have alinged
the tube and bent it to be level at normal flight.
My question is, could it be that that location of the tube is the cause? The tube
extends out about 6" from the LE. I have a GPS and now also installed a
secondary ASI from a ultralite till this is resolved. I have a spare guage and
will also try changing it out.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: rib stitching |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Order the Stits covering guide from Aircraft Spruce or Wicks. It has
everything you need to know about the covering and painting process.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph" <ralphhsd@itctel.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rib stitching
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ralph" <ralphhsd@itctel.com>
>
> I am looking for information on rib stitching. Some time back (several
> years) I was shown rib stitching that as I recall, pulled the knots under
> the fabric as you progressed to the next stitch. I can't find any
> information on it now that I need it. Can some one help me out on this? I
> also saw an illustrated article a few months ago ( I think) that showed a
> mock set up to practice rib stitching. I only subscribe to the Pietenpol
> news letter and EAA Sport Pilot but seem unable to find the article. Does
> anyone recall seeing such an article.
>
> Thanks for any help
>
> Carol and Ralph
> Raymond
>
>
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