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1. 04:13 AM - How to Taxi a Piet (Hayes, Mike)
2. 04:48 AM - Re: How to Taxi a Piet (Michael D Cuy)
3. 07:05 AM - Gascolator (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
4. 07:16 AM - Newsletter/incomplete plans (Gary W Meadows)
5. 09:11 AM - Re: gascolator location (Rcaprd@aol.com)
6. 09:37 AM - what, think ? (Michael D Cuy)
7. 10:04 AM - Re: what, think ? (John Dilatush)
8. 10:27 AM - Re: what, think ? (DJ Vegh)
9. 10:40 AM - quick- build Pietenpol kit in 2005 ! (Michael D Cuy)
10. 11:24 AM - Re: quick- build Pietenpol kit in 2005 ! (N925WB1@aol.com)
11. 11:50 AM - Design question (Isablcorky@aol.com)
12. 12:12 PM - Re: quick- build Pietenpol kit in 2005 ! (DJ Vegh)
13. 12:28 PM - Re: gascolator location (walt evans)
14. 01:41 PM - Re: Design question (Don Morris)
15. 02:09 PM - Re: Design question (walt evans)
16. 02:13 PM - Re: Design question (Isablcorky@aol.com)
17. 03:28 PM - First Flight (StvWaite@aol.com)
18. 09:33 PM - Re: How to Taxi a Piet (Richard Navratil)
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| Subject: | How to Taxi a Piet |
Dear Chaps,
Thought you might find this photograph amusing. Its the only way I know to
taxi a Pietenpol in a 20 knot wind - especially when you have no brakes! Got
the Air Traffic Controllers scratching their heads anyway.
Mike Hayes
G-BKVO
In rainy UK
<<Pietenpol Taxi.jpg>>
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| Subject: | Re: How to Taxi a Piet |
Allo, Mike Hayes----great photo and great way to taxi in a 20 knot
Keep em' coming !
Mike C.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
I placed my gascolater with the drain valve a half an inch or so above
the bottom of the fus. I forgot to consider the up slope of the bottom
of my cowling. ( Ford A motor ) Now when I make the cover for the
access hole I am going to have to hammer a dimple into it. It's
something to remember when placing it.. Does any one have an extra
Brodhead 04 button that they would sell? This is the one with BHP's
picture on it. I seem to have lost mine. Leon S. Nickerson Ks.
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| Subject: | Newsletter/incomplete plans |
Hey everybody! I just had an idea, which, while not only is it unusual, it's also
especially painful for one so unaccustomed to the experience. But this is really
my original idea and you can't copy it (who'd want to!):
For those of us who have no *legal* copies of the newsletters AND are having to
build an airplane from this set of incomplete, old, archaic plans (that have
been used to 70 years or so to build airplanes just fine), when we have a question
and don't have a newsletter, why don't we just search Matronics OR even
ask on the list!! Then someone who does have the newsletters, or a set of COMPLETE
plans, or maybe even building experience (gasp!) can post an answer to that
question and everyone else can benefit too!!!
Maybe, you can even sit and ponder and scratch your head and figure the problem
out for yourself! NAW...... that'd be too hard.
This whole building and talking about it thing is supposed to be fun!
Makes me wonder how even a SINGLE Pietenpol was built before BPA or the internet.....
Gary Meadows
Spring, TX
I'll shut up now and go back to lurking and trying to get straight-axle gear finished
on my PIet.
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| Subject: | Re: gascolator location |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 8/26/04 11:40:27 PM Central Daylight Time, djv@imagedv.com
writes:
<< it's pretty tight down by the bottom end of my firewall. I'm trying to
get
the gascolator as low as possible...... I know that typically you are
supposed to put it as low as possible without it protruding from beneath the
firewall.
The optimum location for mine puts the bottom edge of the gascolator about
1" below the firewall. How strict is the rule of keeping it above the
bottom firewall line? I could move it higher but not by much.
I knwo the reasoning is that if the landing gear ripped out it could also
rip off the gascolator... BUT If the landing gear was to be ripped off it
would most likely happen in a loss of power forced landing in which case the
fuel tank shut off valve would be put into the closed position before the
attempted landing anyway.
Some opinions here please.... keep it a tad low or make a miracle happen
and find a way to raise it???? >>
DJ,
Mounting the gascolator below the firewall is not even an option. In the
intrest of safety, and good design, you MUST mount the gascolator, as well
as
the push valve, above the bottom of the firewall.
Chuck Gantzer
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Gary-- what a great idea you have ! How did any Air Campers ever get
built and flown when people used to
have to use handwritten letters, stamps, and a long distance phone call
? Amazing.
I'm going to build another Pietenpol someday but I'm waiting for the
Fast-build, Quick Fly, Builder Assistance Program
when the Pietenpol Family gets that all setup with their 51% rule kit
Pietenpol coming out next year.
Mike C.
pleeeeeeassssse do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: what, think ? |
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael D Cuy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 10:37 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: what, think ?
Mike,
Huh?
John
I'm going to build another Pietenpol someday but I'm waiting for the Fast-build,
Quick Fly, Builder Assistance Program
when the Pietenpol Family gets that all setup with their 51% rule kit Pietenpol
coming out next year.
Mike C.
pleeeeeeassssse do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: what, think ? |
dude?! ummm your kidding right?!! a Piet family sponsored 49% complete kit
would be awesome.... but not likely cause I just know you had to be kidding!
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael D Cuy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 9:37 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: what, think ?
Gary-- what a great idea you have ! How did any Air Campers ever get built
and flown when people used to
have to use handwritten letters, stamps, and a long distance phone call ?
Amazing.
I'm going to build another Pietenpol someday but I'm waiting for the Fast-build,
Quick Fly, Builder Assistance Program
when the Pietenpol Family gets that all setup with their 51% rule kit Pietenpol
coming out next year.
Mike C.
pleeeeeeassssse do not archive
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| Subject: | quick- build Pietenpol kit in 2005 ! |
DJ, Group--- I'm sorry. I was just kidding about the quick build kit
thing and the Pietnepol family. Bernard did actually sell
kits I guess at one time and I know a guy who did a restoration of a Piet
that Bernie built out of one of his 'left over' kits and
he told me how the numbers were still stamped on each part. Kinda cool.
No, no quick build kits coming anytime soon I'm afraid. Nor complete
hardware kits. That would be impossible !
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: quick- build Pietenpol kit in 2005 ! |
Mike, builders...
What would be the consensus on buying pre-made hardware kits for the Piet?
Do you guys think anyone would actually buy them? I've often thought about
offering small pre-made parts and peices to the plans-builder, but was never
really convinced that there's a market for it. Perhaps in a few years when
I'm out of school I'll look into it as a part-time business. In the meantime,
what are everyone's opinions about buying pre-made parts like all of the
flat-stock fittings and what not? I'm just curious.
Do not archive
-Wayne
Eventually I'll build a 'Piet...
In a message dated 8/27/2004 12:40:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov writes:
DJ, Group--- I'm sorry. I was just kidding about the quick build kit thing
and the Pietnepol family. Bernard did actually sell
kits I guess at one time and I know a guy who did a restoration of a Piet
that Bernie built out of one of his 'left over' kits and
he told me how the numbers were still stamped on each part. Kinda cool.
No, no quick build kits coming anytime soon I'm afraid. Nor complete
hardware kits. That would be impossible !
Mike C.
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Pieters,
My question pertains to the " 3 piece wing supplement" sheet for the Piet
plans drawn by V J Kapler 1978, revised by Dick G Cason 1982. On the fitting for
the spar end it shows and directs that a weld be made on the top side of the
long angular piece. Question: Why would it not be better to weld this vertical
strap piece to the lower edge thereby having the angular strap and the
vertical strap on the same flat surface??? As I'm fabing these parts now I would
sure appreciate some feed back on this one.
Corky in his La. shop very dirty, grimy, sootie and all those things that
make Piet building so much fun.
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| Subject: | Re: quick- build Pietenpol kit in 2005 ! |
it would be nothing to draw them up on emachineshop.com's CAD utility. Have them
lasercut. I suspect each set could be done for $75 or less (assuming at least
100 sets were fabricated)
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: N925WB1@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: quick- build Pietenpol kit in 2005 !
Mike, builders...
What would be the consensus on buying pre-made hardware kits for the Piet? Do
you guys think anyone would actually buy them? I've often thought about offering
small pre-made parts and peices to the plans-builder, but was never really
convinced that there's a market for it. Perhaps in a few years when I'm out
of school I'll look into it as a part-time business. In the meantime, what
are everyone's opinions about buying pre-made parts like all of the flat-stock
fittings and what not? I'm just curious.
Do not archive
-Wayne
Eventually I'll build a 'Piet...
In a message dated 8/27/2004 12:40:53 PM Central Daylight Time, Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov
writes:
DJ, Group--- I'm sorry. I was just kidding about the quick build kit thing
and the Pietnepol family. Bernard did actually sell
kits I guess at one time and I know a guy who did a restoration of a Piet that
Bernie built out of one of his 'left over' kits and
he told me how the numbers were still stamped on each part. Kinda cool.
No, no quick build kits coming anytime soon I'm afraid. Nor complete hardware
kits. That would be impossible !
Mike C.
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"Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" <corvaircraft@mylist.net>
| Subject: | Re: gascolator location |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "walt evans" <wbeevans@verizon.net>
Not sure about the best building practices, but I figured where the bottom
cowl came to and put the drain about flush with it. Made the cowl hole just
big enough to fit my "push finger" in and drain some fuel. Also the clear
drain cup will fit in as well.
Just keep in mind that to make it lower does not supply more fuel to the
carb It's the height of fuel in the tank that determines that.
(Just as long as the fuel line always travels level or downward between the
tank and the gascollater. If you bring it up at any point thats where the
water lays, cause it can't climb the hill, and if nothing else it will
freeze in the winter)
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: gascolator location
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
>
> it's pretty tight down by the bottom end of my firewall. I'm trying to
get
> the gascolator as low as possible...... I know that typically you are
> supposed to put it as low as possible without it protruding from beneath
the
> firewall.
>
> The optimum location for mine puts the bottom edge of the gascolator about
> 1" below the firewall. How strict is the rule of keeping it above the
> bottom firewall line? I could move it higher but not by much.
>
> I knwo the reasoning is that if the landing gear ripped out it could also
> rip off the gascolator... BUT If the landing gear was to be ripped off it
> would most likely happen in a loss of power forced landing in which case
the
> fuel tank shut off valve would be put into the closed position before the
> attempted landing anyway.
>
> Some opinions here please.... keep it a tad low or make a miracle happen
> and find a way to raise it????
>
> DJ V.
> N74DV
> Mesa, AZ
> www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
>
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Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax)
| Subject: | Re: Design question |
Hi.
I was looking at that very sheet earlier today. Let my pose my possible
answer. One set of the straps will have to be set wider than the other
set - so the set on the center section is chosen. The cabane strut
fitting becomes the spacer as well, to hold the outer pair just far
enough apart to slip over the inside pair. That is how I understand it...
-Don
Isablcorky@aol.com wrote:
> Pieters,
>
> My question pertains to the " 3 piece wing supplement" sheet for the
> Piet plans drawn by V J Kapler 1978, revised by Dick G Cason 1982. On
> the fitting for the spar end it shows and directs that a weld be made
> on the top side of the long angular piece. Question: Why would it not
> be better to weld this vertical strap piece to the lower edge thereby
> having the angular strap and the vertical strap on the same flat
> surface??? As I'm fabing these parts now I would sure appreciate some
> feed back on this one.
>
> Corky in his La. shop very dirty, grimy, sootie and all those things
> that make Piet building so much fun.
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| Subject: | Re: Design question |
Corky,
I was just picking my brain and seem to remember that part, cause it was very
confusing to me. Below the angled steel strap (towards the bottom of the spar)
is another piece of plywood. Like a triangle piece, and the same thickness as
the angled strap. The strap lays right along it, and the top surfaces of the
strap and the ply are at the same height. So when you weld the straps together,
the top strap (verticle one) lays on the angled strap and continues down
to lay on the plywood, of the same thickness. whew!
Don't know if this makes sense, but the confusion to me was not realizing that
there was another piece of ply ( a triangle) that was vertically below the angled
strap. whew,whew!
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 2:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Design question
Pieters,
My question pertains to the " 3 piece wing supplement" sheet for the Piet plans
drawn by V J Kapler 1978, revised by Dick G Cason 1982. On the fitting for
the spar end it shows and directs that a weld be made on the top side of the
long angular piece. Question: Why would it not be better to weld this vertical
strap piece to the lower edge thereby having the angular strap and the vertical
strap on the same flat surface??? As I'm fabing these parts now I would sure
appreciate some feed back on this one.
Corky in his La. shop very dirty, grimy, sootie and all those things that make
Piet building so much fun.
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| Subject: | Re: Design question |
Don,
Thanks for the input. Not to argue but to debate the point, I plan to use
1/16 th gussett plates on the C/S spar and 1/8 on the match ing wing spar with
enough bend on the wing fittings to overlap the C/S fittings which will have a
bushing welded in.
My reasoning was to eliminate that overlaping steel and merely cut the
vertical strap much shorter and weld to the lower side of strap fitting. That's
the
way I'll probably do it but thanks for your input.
Corky in La with NX311 on the gear.
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Larry,
I'm going to assume you are current in small taildraggers or will get a
check-out before flying the Piet. From your comments that you learned in a Champ
I'll assume if you're not current it would come back quickly. For Pietenpol
specific advice, check the archives of the list. Corky's test pilot, a Mr.
Edwin Johnson (I hope I've spelled that correctly,) wrote a detailed flying
evaluation of 41CC a while ago. I'd put in my two cents but seeing as the
plans are still in the closet and I haven't started construction yet, it wouln
not be worth the electrons it took to transmit.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: How to Taxi a Piet |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Good one there Mike.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hayes, Mike" <Mike.Hayes@denco.co.uk>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: How to Taxi a Piet
> Dear Chaps,
>
> Thought you might find this photograph amusing. Its the only way I know to
> taxi a Pietenpol in a 20 knot wind - especially when you have no brakes!
Got
> the Air Traffic Controllers scratching their heads anyway.
>
> Mike Hayes
> G-BKVO
> In rainy UK
>
> <<Pietenpol Taxi.jpg>>
>
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