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1. 03:01 AM - Re: Need Help on Horizontal Stab - AN43 eyebolt hinges (Clif Dawson)
2. 06:26 AM - 601, Oshkosh, Brodhead Update (Oscar Zuniga)
3. 06:26 AM - Re: Need Help on Horizontal Stab - AN43 eyebolt hinges (DJ Vegh)
4. 06:29 AM - fuel flow problem (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 06:44 AM - Re: fuel flow problem (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
6. 06:48 AM - Re: 601, Oshkosh, Brodhead Update (del magsam)
7. 07:01 AM - Re: Inspections (Richard Carden)
8. 07:10 AM - Re: fuel flow problem (Richard Navratil)
9. 07:11 AM - Re: Trailering a Pietenpol (Larry Nelson)
10. 07:22 AM - Re: fuel flow problem (Mike King)
11. 08:25 AM - Re: Trailering a Pietenpol (DJ Vegh)
12. 08:41 AM - Re: Trailering a Pietenpol (Larry Nelson)
13. 08:52 AM - Re: Trailering a Pietenpol (Isablcorky@aol.com)
14. 09:29 AM - Re: Re: Inspections (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
15. 09:51 AM - Re: Trailering a Pietenpol (DJ Vegh)
16. 09:55 AM - Re: Trailering a Pietenpol (Carl D. Vought)
17. 10:36 AM - Re: Trailering a Pietenpol (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
18. 10:39 AM - Alex Sloan (Michael D Cuy)
19. 10:44 AM - Re: How many ounces does it take (Rcaprd@aol.com)
20. 10:48 AM - Re: Re: Inspections (Michael D Cuy)
21. 10:56 AM - Re: How many ounces does it take (Michael D Cuy)
22. 11:00 AM - Re: fuel flow problem (Rcaprd@aol.com)
23. 11:35 AM - Re: Pietenpol -- Alaskan Bush (Stacy Clark)
24. 12:31 PM - Re: Pietenpol -- Alaskan Bush (John Ford)
25. 01:32 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol -- Alaskan Bush (Doyle Combs)
26. 02:47 PM - Re: How many ounces does it take (Waytogopiet@aol.com)
27. 05:10 PM - Re: fuel flow problem - me too. (Bert Conoly)
28. 05:37 PM - .020" aluminum leading edge (DJ Vegh)
29. 05:57 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol -- Alaskan Bush (Ed Grentzer)
30. 07:18 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol -- Alaskan Bush (Mike Luther)
31. 08:10 PM - Pietenpol Opps Manual (Rcaprd@aol.com)
32. 08:42 PM - Re: Pietenpol Opps Manual (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
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Subject: | Re: Need Help on Horizontal Stab - AN43 eyebolt hinges |
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Oops! They are locked. There's a wood screw in each flange.
I was agreeing with you DJ. Brain must have taken shortcut on
way to mouth.
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Need Help on Horizontal Stab - AN43 eyebolt hinges
>>The yellow Piet in the "Victoria Piets" file on Mykitplane has eyebolts
and is old enough to have been rebuilt and recovered a number of
years ago. No mention of eyebolt or flight problems.
That doesn't mean the eyebolts will never rotate. It takes an extra 5 minutes
to fix it and the consequences of a locked control surface could be fatal. Some
things can be left to fate but respectfully, I disagree and this is not one
those things.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Clif Dawson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Need Help on Horizontal Stab - AN43 eyebolt hinges
Looking at the plans again it appears to me that the brace interferes
with the hinge bolts anyway. The block does not have to be very
thick, 1/4" will work fine. If you do decide to go the eyebolt route
the block will be an advantage as the shank doesn't have to go
through the angled brace. It will be in the middle of the block.
Also why would there be much more weight at the end? The bolt
or bolts, depending on the hinge used are only going to be an extra
1/4" long and the block weighs nothing. Another also, the brace wires
attach half way between the two outer hinges ( 11" in from the tip ).
I wish I'd thought of Corky's idea of mounting the hinges beforehand.
Getting nuts down between the gussets will be fun ( crawdads must be
brain food! ). :-)
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Need Help on Horizontal Stab - AN43 eyebolt
hinges
be very creful with the AN43 eyebolt style hinges. If you do not secure
them so that they can not rotate in the hole you could get a locked up control
surface in flight.
A good way to keep them from rotating is to use the drilled shank version
with a castle nut. instead of putting a cotter pin on it, use a short length
of music wire that has a round loop bent into one end. Slide it through the
shank and use a wood screw through the loop and screw it into lead or trailing
edge spar. It is only necessary to secure one side of the hinge.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Luther
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Need Help on Horizontal Stab. Diagonals...
Stacy:
I read your E-mail and went downstairs to take a look at my uncovered stab.
Then I came back upstairs and read Clif Dawson's reply. Then I went back
downstairs to take another look at my stab. I would go with #4. Cause #2 would
cause interference with my elevator hinges and # 4 has half as many pieces
to deal with. Also, I used the GN-1 idea for elevator hinges instead of the
Piet idea for hinges. The Piet elevator hinges are more original, but the GN-1
hinges(Eye-bolts) can be purchased thru AS&S.
Mike L.
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Subject: | 601, Oshkosh, Brodhead Update |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Maybe I missed seeing this posted to this list, but Mike Cuy and Doc Mosher
appear in a photo on William Wynne's latest update to his ZenVair 601 page,
about halfway down, at http://flycorvair.com/601.html
If this is a repeat of an earlier post, I apologize.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Need Help on Horizontal Stab - AN43 eyebolt hinges |
a wood screw in each flange will do the trick to. Glad to hear they are secured.
don't worry, my brain always gets ahead of my mouth and end up saying some
pretty funky things too. :) of course that usually happens at the niteclubs
right as I'm trying to talk to the most hottest babe in the place.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Clif Dawson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Need Help on Horizontal Stab - AN43 eyebolt hinges
Oops! They are locked. There's a wood screw in each flange.
I was agreeing with you DJ. Brain must have taken shortcut on
way to mouth.
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Need Help on Horizontal Stab - AN43 eyebolt hinges
>>The yellow Piet in the "Victoria Piets" file on Mykitplane has eyebolts
and is old enough to have been rebuilt and recovered a number of
years ago. No mention of eyebolt or flight problems.
That doesn't mean the eyebolts will never rotate. It takes an extra 5 minutes
to fix it and the consequences of a locked control surface could be fatal.
Some things can be left to fate but respectfully, I disagree and this is not
one those things.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Clif Dawson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Need Help on Horizontal Stab - AN43 eyebolt
hinges
Looking at the plans again it appears to me that the brace interferes
with the hinge bolts anyway. The block does not have to be very
thick, 1/4" will work fine. If you do decide to go the eyebolt route
the block will be an advantage as the shank doesn't have to go
through the angled brace. It will be in the middle of the block.
Also why would there be much more weight at the end? The bolt
or bolts, depending on the hinge used are only going to be an extra
1/4" long and the block weighs nothing. Another also, the brace wires
attach half way between the two outer hinges ( 11" in from the tip ).
I wish I'd thought of Corky's idea of mounting the hinges beforehand.
Getting nuts down between the gussets will be fun ( crawdads must be
brain food! ). :-)
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Need Help on Horizontal Stab - AN43 eyebolt
hinges
be very creful with the AN43 eyebolt style hinges. If you do not secure
them so that they can not rotate in the hole you could get a locked up control
surface in flight.
A good way to keep them from rotating is to use the drilled shank version
with a castle nut. instead of putting a cotter pin on it, use a short length
of music wire that has a round loop bent into one end. Slide it through the
shank and use a wood screw through the loop and screw it into lead or trailing
edge spar. It is only necessary to secure one side of the hinge.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Luther
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Need Help on Horizontal Stab. Diagonals...
Stacy:
I read your E-mail and went downstairs to take a look at my uncovered
stab. Then I came back upstairs and read Clif Dawson's reply. Then I went back
downstairs to take another look at my stab. I would go with #4. Cause #2
would cause interference with my elevator hinges and # 4 has half as many pieces
to deal with. Also, I used the GN-1 idea for elevator hinges instead of the
Piet idea for hinges. The Piet elevator hinges are more original, but the GN-1
hinges(Eye-bolts) can be purchased thru AS&S.
Mike L.
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Subject: | fuel flow problem |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Here's a question for you folks flying the A-65 with Stromberg carb. Engine
won't start. Fuel is flowing from the tank, through the valve, through the
gascolator, all the way to the carb... all just fine, good flow. But no
fuel is getting into the carb. Regardless of throttle position or anything
else, she won't fire due to no fuel.
Next step is to remove the cowling and try tapping the carb body to see if
something is stuck and can be loosened up. Any other ideas before we go
dismantling the carb? It has no mixture control and the engine has been
shut down using the mags, not by closing the fuel valve and running the
engine till it quits.
Thanks.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: fuel flow problem |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
I have seen some types of rubber flex fuel hose that swells internally, resulting
in restricted fuel flow between gascolator and carburetor.
However, you said you have verified flow all the way to the carburetor, but the
carburetor has no fuel. So it is evidently an internal carburetor blockage or
restriction. It would have to be that the needle valve stuck closed.
--
Terry B.
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Subject: | Re: 601, Oshkosh, Brodhead Update |
My Sonex was parked next to williams Zenvair. and I forgot to bring my camera.
If anyone has a pic of that row of airplanes, or of my sonex, I would greatly
appreciate it.
Thanks much
Del
Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
Maybe I missed seeing this posted to this list, but Mike Cuy and Doc Mosher
appear in a photo on William Wynne's latest update to his ZenVair 601 page,
about halfway down, at http://flycorvair.com/601.html
If this is a repeat of an earlier post, I apologize.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
Del-New Richmond, Wi
"farmerdel@rocketmail.com"
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Richard Carden <flywrite@erols.com>
I read references to "inspections" prior to covering, and don't know who is supposed
to
inspect what. I built a GlaStar and had no "inspections" other than casual visits
from my
EAA Chapter's Technical Counselor until the aircraft was ready for the FAA inspection
and
certificate issuance. Then two very nice guys from the local FSDO spent a half-day
with me
(8 squalks, all minor and some even picky, I thought) before signing off. They
didn't
need/want to inspect anything that couldn't be viewed from inspection holes or
not visible
with removal of cowling, cockpit floor, etc.
Is there something unique to fabric construction that requires an inspection prior
to
covering? If so, would somebody please give me some details.
Many thanks,
Dick Carden, GN-1/Cumberland, VA
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Subject: | Re: fuel flow problem |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
You could try removing the nut on the bottom of the carb bowl to see if it
is a stuck float. Take a small screwdriver and try raising and lowering the
float. If not it is probably the seal on the needle valve or a clogged jet.
Have you used auto fuel with alchohol it it? That will ruin some seals.
Thats what happened to mine.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel flow problem
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Here's a question for you folks flying the A-65 with Stromberg carb.
Engine
> won't start. Fuel is flowing from the tank, through the valve, through
the
> gascolator, all the way to the carb... all just fine, good flow. But no
> fuel is getting into the carb. Regardless of throttle position or
anything
> else, she won't fire due to no fuel.
>
> Next step is to remove the cowling and try tapping the carb body to see if
> something is stuck and can be loosened up. Any other ideas before we go
> dismantling the carb? It has no mixture control and the engine has been
> shut down using the mags, not by closing the fuel valve and running the
> engine till it quits.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Trailering a Pietenpol |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
Wes Scott (another list member) and I will be driving
from Missouri to Waynesboro, VA next Wednesday for a
Thursday morning hook up with Joe Santana's son,
Peter, who will help Wes and me load up the Howard
Henderson aircraft for hauling back to MO. We will be
using a flat trailer with 77" width and 16'2" length.
Joe Santana has the plane disassembled for transport
and the wings are in a A shaped rack the he claims is
not roadworthy......but could be reinforced to be
roadworthy.
His suggestion is to "rack" the wings alongside the
fuselage, nestling the wing in the V space between the
wheel and the fuselage.
Wes is thinking we should built racks on the sides of
the trailer and mount the wings on these racks.
Anybody got any good ideas we can steal?
=====
Larry Nelson
Springfield, MO
Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
1963 GMC 4106-1618
SV/ Spirit of America
ARS WB0JOT
_______________________________
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Subject: | fuel flow problem |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike King" <mike@mking.us>
Oscar,
I am NOT a mechanic, but when I had the SAME problem, a
mechanic friend of mine took out a small bolt in the carb and
shot some gas in there. It then fired up on the first or second
blade.
Some folks say once the engine fires up the float the acts
properly and then engine/carb work fine.
In my case, it turned out the carb needed to be overhauled
(the idle side of the carb was gummed up from sitting so long
with car gas)......long story.
My Stromberg has the mixture wired to full rich so I have to
cut off the engine using the mag switch.
Hope this helps. I know there are a lot of pros on this list
with better suggestions.
Mike King
GN-1
77MK
Dallas
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Oscar Zuniga
Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel flow problem
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
Here's a question for you folks flying the A-65 with Stromberg
carb. Engine
won't start. Fuel is flowing from the tank, through the valve,
through the
gascolator, all the way to the carb... all just fine, good flow.
But no
fuel is getting into the carb. Regardless of throttle position
or anything
else, she won't fire due to no fuel.
Next step is to remove the cowling and try tapping the carb body
to see if
something is stuck and can be loosened up. Any other ideas
before we go
dismantling the carb? It has no mixture control and the engine
has been
shut down using the mags, not by closing the fuel valve and
running the
engine till it quits.
Thanks.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Trailering a Pietenpol |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
Thats exactly what I did when I trailered a GN-1 from No. Cal to AZ. Up to
90mph and 900 miles. Everything went well.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Nelson" <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trailering a Pietenpol
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Wes Scott (another list member) and I will be driving
> from Missouri to Waynesboro, VA next Wednesday for a
> Thursday morning hook up with Joe Santana's son,
> Peter, who will help Wes and me load up the Howard
> Henderson aircraft for hauling back to MO. We will be
> using a flat trailer with 77" width and 16'2" length.
>
> Joe Santana has the plane disassembled for transport
> and the wings are in a A shaped rack the he claims is
> not roadworthy......but could be reinforced to be
> roadworthy.
>
> His suggestion is to "rack" the wings alongside the
> fuselage, nestling the wing in the V space between the
> wheel and the fuselage.
>
> Wes is thinking we should built racks on the sides of
> the trailer and mount the wings on these racks.
>
> Anybody got any good ideas we can steal?
>
> =====
> Larry Nelson
> Springfield, MO
> Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
> 1963 GMC 4106-1618
> SV/ Spirit of America
> ARS WB0JOT
>
>
> _______________________________
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Trailering a Pietenpol |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
DJ, when you say that is what you did.......which way
was it that you used? (I presented two ideas). Did you
use the side racks or nest the wings against the
fuselage????? Any nuggets of info will be
appreciated.
--- DJ Vegh <djv@imagedv.com> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh"
> <djv@imagedv.com>
>
> Thats exactly what I did when I trailered a GN-1
> from No. Cal to AZ. Up to
> 90mph and 900 miles. Everything went well.
>
> DJ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Nelson" <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:11 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trailering a Pietenpol
>
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson
> <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
> >
> >
> > Wes Scott (another list member) and I will be
> driving
> > from Missouri to Waynesboro, VA next Wednesday for
> a
> > Thursday morning hook up with Joe Santana's son,
> > Peter, who will help Wes and me load up the Howard
> > Henderson aircraft for hauling back to MO. We will
> be
> > using a flat trailer with 77" width and 16'2"
> length.
> >
> > Joe Santana has the plane disassembled for
> transport
> > and the wings are in a A shaped rack the he claims
> is
> > not roadworthy......but could be reinforced to be
> > roadworthy.
> >
> > His suggestion is to "rack" the wings alongside
> the
> > fuselage, nestling the wing in the V space between
> the
> > wheel and the fuselage.
> >
> > Wes is thinking we should built racks on the sides
> of
> > the trailer and mount the wings on these racks.
> >
> > Anybody got any good ideas we can steal?
> >
> > =====
> > Larry Nelson
> > Springfield, MO
> > Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
> > 1963 GMC 4106-1618
> > SV/ Spirit of America
> > ARS WB0JOT
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________
> now.
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Larry Nelson
Springfield, MO
Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
1963 GMC 4106-1618
SV/ Spirit of America
ARS WB0JOT
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Subject: | Re: Trailering a Pietenpol |
How can one go 90mph in a 70moh airplane?
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Richard,
Human error is unfortunately the cause of many preventable accidents. There can
never be too may eyes go over an assembly of parts to ensure nothing was inadvertantly
left undone or incorrectly done.
I worked as an A&P mechanic under high pressure to get work out the door for 7
years. We worked on high performance aircraft with many complex systems. I learned
to be a very consciencious mechanic and took on many good work habits from
my co-workers to minimize my mistakes. We had checklists and stopping points
where inspections were required before proceeding. We had a team of inspectors
to check our work. It was rare to make it thru an inspection without leaving
off a ty-wrap...a safety wire... a cotter pin... or sometimes totally miss
something obvious. It seemed that it was usually the most mundane or simple
task that went awry. With all the inspections, leak-checks, re-checks, and
preflight operational tests, human error seemed to find a way to make it through.
Fortunately, in my seven years, I only had one in-flight event occur... an
air conditioner fluid line left un torqued. I am glad that nobody was hurt
because of my mistake.
When it comes to your homebuilt project, you are intimately familiar with every
part. You spend hour after hour looking at things. I can tell you from experience,
that looking at the same thing over and over can lead you to miss something
simple. It is always best to have inspectors check your work. As for pre-cover
inspection... it is best to have a trained inspector who knows the kinds
of things to look for. Most FAA licensed A&P with Inspection Authorization
(I.A.) are very good for this task. For certified ariplanes this is who must
perform this task.
--
Terry L. Bowden
ph 254-715-4773
fax 254-853-3805
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Subject: | Re: Trailering a Pietenpol |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
sorry..... got ahead of myself. I tied the fuse down in the center of
the trailer tail first, then rested the leading edge of the wings between
the gear legs and the tires (with foam of course). The wings chord went up
towards the top of the center section and were tied to it.
Lots of foam and tie-downs. worked fine
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Nelson" <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trailering a Pietenpol
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
>
> DJ, when you say that is what you did.......which way
> was it that you used? (I presented two ideas). Did you
> use the side racks or nest the wings against the
> fuselage????? Any nuggets of info will be
> appreciated.
>
>
> --- DJ Vegh <djv@imagedv.com> wrote:
>
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh"
> > <djv@imagedv.com>
> >
> > Thats exactly what I did when I trailered a GN-1
> > from No. Cal to AZ. Up to
> > 90mph and 900 miles. Everything went well.
> >
> > DJ
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry Nelson" <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trailering a Pietenpol
> >
> >
> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson
> > <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > Wes Scott (another list member) and I will be
> > driving
> > > from Missouri to Waynesboro, VA next Wednesday for
> > a
> > > Thursday morning hook up with Joe Santana's son,
> > > Peter, who will help Wes and me load up the Howard
> > > Henderson aircraft for hauling back to MO. We will
> > be
> > > using a flat trailer with 77" width and 16'2"
> > length.
> > >
> > > Joe Santana has the plane disassembled for
> > transport
> > > and the wings are in a A shaped rack the he claims
> > is
> > > not roadworthy......but could be reinforced to be
> > > roadworthy.
> > >
> > > His suggestion is to "rack" the wings alongside
> > the
> > > fuselage, nestling the wing in the V space between
> > the
> > > wheel and the fuselage.
> > >
> > > Wes is thinking we should built racks on the sides
> > of
> > > the trailer and mount the wings on these racks.
> > >
> > > Anybody got any good ideas we can steal?
> > >
> > > =====
> > > Larry Nelson
> > > Springfield, MO
> > > Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
> > > 1963 GMC 4106-1618
> > > SV/ Spirit of America
> > > ARS WB0JOT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________
> > now.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Contributions
> > any other
> > Forums.
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/chat
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm
> > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> =====
> Larry Nelson
> Springfield, MO
> Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
> 1963 GMC 4106-1618
> SV/ Spirit of America
> ARS WB0JOT
>
>
> _______________________________
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Trailering a Pietenpol |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
We took a Lohle Sport Parasol down to Sun-N-Fun a couple of years ago. (Of
course, that airplane is much lighter than a Piet).We used a utility
trailer from Harbor Freight,lengthened the tongue, loaded the fuselage tail
first and installed racks to mount the wings vertically alongside the
fuselage. On the way back to Huntsville, we were met by a fast-moving
eighteen wheeler that simply blew the trailer over on it's side, damaging
one wing and the landing gear of the Lohle. Later, I bought a Piet in
Chicago. I loaded the fuselage the same way on the same trailer, but built
a "headache rack" on the pickup and loaded the wings in the horizontal,
rather than vertical plane, on top of the truck. No problem this time. If
you would like to see pictures, contact me off-line. Carl
Vought/Huntsville, AL
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 07:11:25 -0700 (PDT), Larry Nelson
<lnelson208@yahoo.com> wrote :
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Wes Scott (another list member) and I will be driving
> from Missouri to Waynesboro, VA next Wednesday for a
> Thursday morning hook up with Joe Santana's son,
> Peter, who will help Wes and me load up the Howard
> Henderson aircraft for hauling back to MO. We will be
> using a flat trailer with 77" width and 16'2" length.
>
> Joe Santana has the plane disassembled for transport
> and the wings are in a A shaped rack the he claims is
> not roadworthy......but could be reinforced to be
> roadworthy.
>
> His suggestion is to "rack" the wings alongside the
> fuselage, nestling the wing in the V space between the
> wheel and the fuselage.
>
> Wes is thinking we should built racks on the sides of
> the trailer and mount the wings on these racks.
>
> Anybody got any good ideas we can steal?
>
> =====
> Larry Nelson
> Springfield, MO
> Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
> 1963 GMC 4106-1618
> SV/ Spirit of America
> ARS WB0JOT
>
>
>
> _______________________________
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Trailering a Pietenpol |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Larry,
Here's how we transported our Piet Project..(see link) only 15 miles, but we could
have made it across country this way.
Terry B.
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoDisplay.cfm?PhotoName=SCF0007.JPG&PhotoID=1936
In a message dated 8/31/2004 10:11:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
writes:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
>
>
>Wes Scott (another list member) and I will be driving
>from Missouri to Waynesboro, VA next Wednesday for a
>Thursday morning hook up with Joe Santana's son,
>Peter, who will help Wes and me load up the Howard
>Henderson aircraft for hauling back to MO. We will be
>using a flat trailer with 77" width and 16'2" length.
>
>Joe Santana has the plane disassembled for transport
>and the wings are in a A shaped rack the he claims is
>not roadworthy......but could be reinforced to be
>roadworthy.
>
>His suggestion is to "rack" the wings alongside the
>fuselage, nestling the wing in the V space between the
>wheel and the fuselage.
>
>Wes is thinking we should built racks on the sides of
>the trailer and mount the wings on these racks.
>
>Anybody got any good ideas we can steal?
>
>=====
>Larry Nelson
>Springfield, MO
>Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
>1963 GMC 4106-1618
>SV/ Spirit of America
>ARS WB0JOT
>
>
>
>_______________________________
>
>
>
>
>
>
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And most importantly, Alex Sloan, the man being honored !
Mike C.
Oscar-- thank you. I don't know if Alex had seen this or not.
At 08:25 AM 8/31/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>Maybe I missed seeing this posted to this list, but Mike Cuy and Doc
>Mosher appear in a photo on William Wynne's latest update to his ZenVair
>601 page, about halfway down, at http://flycorvair.com/601.html
>
>If this is a repeat of an earlier post, I apologize.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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Subject: | Re: How many ounces does it take |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
Max,
I used the uncertified fabric from AS&S, and the Stits method. I covered the
wing, and the fuselage with the medium 2.8 oz fabric, and the empenage and
ailerons with the lighter 1.7 oz fabric. My reasoning was that the wing and
fuse take the abuse, and I wanted to keep the tail and control surfaces as light
as possible. The lighter fabric is easier to work with, but fabric work in
general is not difficult...once you get the hang of it. Fabric is also
relatively easy to repair. Rib stitching is a bit of a chore, but it can be a
little
quicker if you use 4 or 5 needles at a time, one for each ribs. My wing has
about 500 stitches in it !! In fact it is very satisfying to see the project
at this stage, once you get over the fact that you MUST cover up all that
beautiful wood work !! Now, have at it, and get that bird covered !!
Chuck G.
p.s. did an early morning flight this morning...naw I didn't get up early, I
went to the airport after working the hoot owl shift. Absolutely beautiful
sunrise, dead calm winds, and about a million miles visibility. Checked out
some fields up close and personal, to the south of Cook field. Flew next to a
pickup truck for several miles. He waved back and had a big smile !! Greased
in the softest full stall landing I've ever done !!
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Richard-- you go about your certification the same as you did with your
GlaStar. The MIDO/FSDO FAA people do not
do pre-cover inspections like they used to. There are Tech Couselors
thru EAA, like you had from your Chapter, that
are always a good idea AND if you get them to document their visits, I'm
told that your insurance rate could be less expensive
if you have something like three visits during the course of your building
process. Don't quote me on that---check with EAA
and Falcon who now is the "Avemco" for EAA. That used to be the policy
with Tech C. visits, it may not be the case anymore. Dunno.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: How many ounces does it take |
Max-- I used uncertified (comes from the same mill as the certified stuff
!) 1.8 oz from Superflite and then the dope process
after that. Would not change a thing except to have added reinforcing
tapes over the stingers......but we got in a hurry. Dumb !
Mike
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Subject: | Re: fuel flow problem |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
Oscar,
Sounds like your float is stuck. Is it the rubber tip float needle ? Pull
the plug on the bottom of the carb, and if no fuel flow there, then tap on the
carb. If there is fuel in the carb, and fuel flow is normal out the bottom of
the carb, then you might as well check how much flow. There is 128 oz per
gallon, and lets just say 5 gal per hour burn rate. Thats 640 oz. per hour, or
10.6 oz. per minute. Check and see if you get about 11 oz per minute fuel
flow. If you do, then put the plug back in. If it still doesn't start, then try
this - With the mags OFF, open the throttle about half way, and flip the prop
backwards about 10 blades. Mags ON, throttle idle, and try to start.
Chuck G.
p.s. I gotta watch these sunrises more often !!
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol -- Alaskan Bush |
Chris,
Trees? What's are those? If there ever were any trees here they went away about
the same time as the mastadons. They don't call it the "bush" for nothing.
Now, if I wanted to make a "willow" Pietenpol I could probably swing that :-)
(See attached article for full explanation [company name intentionally left
blank]).
As far as the wood, fortunately, the pieces I'll need are short enough to ship
"normally." It's just the point of having to in the first place.
Stacy
There is only one greater thing than to believe in the impossible...and that is
to achieve it -- Stacy Clark
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol -- Alaskan Bush |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
Stacy,
Isn't shipping long loads in a Beaver with one of the windscreen panes
removed (and the "load" sticking way out the front) considered normal?
I bet all the wood for a Piet fits nicely in an Otter. As an ATC
operator, I would think you might know an Alaska Airlines or Mark Air
guy or two who would love to help your charity project out gratis. As
far as that goes, you could probably construct your entire airplane out
of dead standing timber (excellent wood) from the Kenai or Fairbanks.
Now THAT would be cool...
John
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> stacy@unicom-alaska.com Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:27:34 PM >>>
Chris,
Trees? What's are those? If there ever were any trees here they went
away about the same time as the mastadons. They don't call it the
"bush" for nothing. Now, if I wanted to make a "willow" Pietenpol I
could probably swing that :-) (See attached article for full
explanation [company name intentionally left blank]).
As far as the wood, fortunately, the pieces I'll need are short enough
to ship "normally." It's just the point of having to in the first
place.
Stacy
There is only one greater thing than to believe in the impossible...and
that is to achieve it -- Stacy Clark
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol -- Alaskan Bush |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Doyle Combs" <dcombs@Ltex.net>
I hauled a Piet back to Texas from Ohio but the weather was rather bad, so I
used a covered trailer and it was a real success as far as transportation
goes.
Doyle Combs
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol -- Alaskan Bush
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
>
> Stacy,
>
> Isn't shipping long loads in a Beaver with one of the windscreen panes
> removed (and the "load" sticking way out the front) considered normal?
> I bet all the wood for a Piet fits nicely in an Otter. As an ATC
> operator, I would think you might know an Alaska Airlines or Mark Air
> guy or two who would love to help your charity project out gratis. As
> far as that goes, you could probably construct your entire airplane out
> of dead standing timber (excellent wood) from the Kenai or Fairbanks.
> Now THAT would be cool...
>
> John
>
> John Ford
> john@indstate.edu
> 812-237-8542
>
>
> >>> stacy@unicom-alaska.com Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:27:34 PM >>>
> Chris,
>
> Trees? What's are those? If there ever were any trees here they went
> away about the same time as the mastadons. They don't call it the
> "bush" for nothing. Now, if I wanted to make a "willow" Pietenpol I
> could probably swing that :-) (See attached article for full
> explanation [company name intentionally left blank]).
>
> As far as the wood, fortunately, the pieces I'll need are short enough
> to ship "normally." It's just the point of having to in the first
> place.
>
> Stacy
>
> There is only one greater thing than to believe in the impossible...and
> that is to achieve it -- Stacy Clark
>
>
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Subject: | Re: How many ounces does it take |
In a message dated 8/30/2004 7:55:54 PM Central Standard Time,
pietflyr@bellsouth.net writes:
So I followed their advice and used medium weight throughout. it is tough
stuff, and can certainly withstand a lot of abuse from finger-pokin' onlookers.
Jack Phillips
Here's my two cents for anyone with concerns about which weight to use. I
opted for the lighter weight and was pleased with the results....BUT...one moment
of carelessness when I somehow snagged the elevator cable aft of where it
exited the fabric and I heard a great rip.When I looked, sure enough there was
a
four inch tear which also dislodged the leather grommet ( which apparently
offered little protection.) The patching and matching took far longer than the
original covering and was a setback I didn't need. I now ask myself if I were
to build another Piet would I opt for the heavier fabric ? I think so !!
Don Hicks
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Subject: | Re: fuel flow problem - me too. |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bert Conoly" <bconoly@earthlink.net>
Oscar: Mine did the very same thing as Dick Navratil's and Mikes. Probably
a gummed up needle valve/seat. Especially if it sat with car gas in it.
Also, the idle pathways are REALLY small and prone to accumulation of
varnish. I tried to clean mine but it never realy ran right. Sent it off
for a 450.00 overhaul. (It looks nice, though)
Bert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike King" <mike@mking.us>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: fuel flow problem
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mike King" <mike@mking.us>
>
> Oscar,
>
> I am NOT a mechanic, but when I had the SAME problem, a
> mechanic friend of mine took out a small bolt in the carb and
> shot some gas in there. It then fired up on the first or second
> blade.
>
> Some folks say once the engine fires up the float the acts
> properly and then engine/carb work fine.
>
> In my case, it turned out the carb needed to be overhauled
> (the idle side of the carb was gummed up from sitting so long
> with car gas)......long story.
>
> My Stromberg has the mixture wired to full rich so I have to
> cut off the engine using the mag switch.
>
> Hope this helps. I know there are a lot of pros on this list
> with better suggestions.
>
> Mike King
> GN-1
> 77MK
> Dallas
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Oscar Zuniga
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:29 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel flow problem
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga"
> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Here's a question for you folks flying the A-65 with Stromberg
> carb. Engine
> won't start. Fuel is flowing from the tank, through the valve,
> through the
> gascolator, all the way to the carb... all just fine, good flow.
> But no
> fuel is getting into the carb. Regardless of throttle position
> or anything
> else, she won't fire due to no fuel.
>
> Next step is to remove the cowling and try tapping the carb body
> to see if
> something is stuck and can be loosened up. Any other ideas
> before we go
> dismantling the carb? It has no mixture control and the engine
> has been
> shut down using the mags, not by closing the fuel valve and
> running the
> engine till it quits.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
> =========
> =========
> =========
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm
> =========
>
>
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Subject: | .020" aluminum leading edge |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "DJ Vegh" <djv@imagedv.com>
most plans have .016" aluminum leading edge, but I hear from lots of folks
that it can dent too easily by a stray hand or the occasional hangar bump.
So I ordered up some .020" sheet.
Has anyone used this on thier Piet? If so how did you go about installing
it? did you pre-bend the leading edge radius? It looks like this task will
be a pain in the ass.
tips and advice please.
DJ
_
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol -- Alaskan Bush |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ed Grentzer" <flyboy_120@hotmail.com>
Man....904kbs in one e-mail....I was wondering why I haven't been getting
any e-mails....My Hotmail acct was maxed out!!!!!!
>From: "Stacy Clark" <stacy@unicom-alaska.com>
>Reply-To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol -- Alaskan Bush
>Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:27:34 -0800
>
>Chris,
>
>Trees? What's are those? If there ever were any trees here they went away
>about the same time as the mastadons. They don't call it the "bush" for
>nothing. Now, if I wanted to make a "willow" Pietenpol I could probably
>swing that :-) (See attached article for full explanation [company name
>intentionally left blank]).
>
>As far as the wood, fortunately, the pieces I'll need are short enough to
>ship "normally." It's just the point of having to in the first place.
>
>Stacy
>
>There is only one greater thing than to believe in the impossible...and
>that is to achieve it -- Stacy Clark
><< SoYouWanttobeaBushPilot_modifiedexample.doc >>
Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol -- Alaskan Bush |
<023e01c48f88$3268a6e0$69aaa1d1@DJQ7LV21>
Stacy:
Doug Fir is a good substitute for Sitka if you are in a pinch. Most
wood buildings built before 1970 or so, used Doug Fir. The clearest
Doug Fir can be salvaged from older door jambs, trim, frame and panel
doors and from floor joists. If you are in doubt about grain, then try
splitting some the same way you would split firewood. Perfectly
straight up to 1 in 15 slope and you are good to go assuming the end
grain count is also good.
Happy Scrounging!!!!
P.S. If I were dreaming I would try to find someway to use the
beautiful Sitka Spruce logs that I say on Kodiak Island and also saw in
Seldovia.
Mike L.
Stacy Clark wrote:
> Chris, Trees? What's are those? If there ever were any trees here
> they went away about the same time as the mastadons. They don't call
> it the "bush" for nothing. Now, if I wanted to make a "willow"
> Pietenpol I could probably swing that :-) (See attached article for
> full explanation [company name intentionally left blank]). As far as
> the wood, fortunately, the pieces I'll need are short enough to ship
> "normally." It's just the point of having to in the first
> place. Stacy There is only one greater thing than to believe in the
> impossible...and that is to achieve it -- Stacy Clark
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Subject: | Pietenpol Opps Manual |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
Doyle,
When we were at Tick Hill, you mentioned you would like me to send you
(e-mail) the text of the Pietenpol Operations Manual that I made. Do you still
want
it ? I sent you an e-mail asking you, but I didn't get a response. Does
anyone else want to see it ?
Chuck Gantzer
NX770CG
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Opps Manual |
Please send me a copy. I really like your manual. And my airplane should
end up in a similar configuration as yours.
Hey Chuck... I am going to be in Wichita in a week or two working in Augusta.
I haven't yet nailed down the date. I will be flying in a rented Cessna
172. Does anyone have hangar space at Cook for about 3 days? I'll be glad to
pay the standard rate.
I plan to bring you two VHS tapes from Sterling and a CD of pics from Tick
Hill. I hope to get a little time to bum around the airport with you.
Terry
DO NOT ARCHIVE.
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