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1. 06:56 AM - Shop Safety (Barry Davis)
2. 07:32 AM - fuselage framing (Oscar Zuniga)
3. 07:43 AM - Re: America Tour part 1 (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
4. 08:04 AM - Re: step a side with your push stick too (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
5. 08:36 AM - Re: Elevator control cables (Borodent@aol.com)
6. 08:46 AM - Re: Re:Howard Henderson Pietenpol update (Larry Nelson)
7. 09:04 AM - Re: Re:Howard Henderson Pietenpol update (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
8. 09:38 AM - Re: Re:Howard Henderson Pietenpol update (Larry Nelson)
9. 09:50 AM - Re: Re:Howard Henderson Pietenpol update (BARNSTMR@aol.com)
10. 11:21 AM - Let's fly (Michael D Cuy)
11. 11:26 AM - correction (Michael D Cuy)
12. 11:28 AM - elevator cable tension (Oscar Zuniga)
13. 12:34 PM - Re: Re: Front rudder bar (Ken Anderson)
14. 12:42 PM - Re: Wooden control stick (Gary Gower)
15. 03:05 PM - Re: America Tour part 1 (Carl D. Vought)
16. 03:16 PM - Re: Re:Howard Henderson Pietenpol update (Carl D. Vought)
17. 03:16 PM - Re: Re:Howard Henderson Pietenpol update (Carl D. Vought)
18. 04:20 PM - Fw: HR 5035 (walt evans)
19. 05:04 PM - Re: Fw: HR 5035 (N321TX@wmconnect.com)
20. 07:59 PM - Re: Fw: HR 5035 (Gordon Bowen)
21. 08:25 PM - Re: Fw: HR 5035 (cgalley)
22. 08:43 PM - Re: Fw: HR 5035 (John Ford)
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I also learned the hard way on trimming a small board on a table saw. That 1/2"
x 1" x 14" long piece will really fly back if it is cut against the fence and
no push stick is used to hold it in place. Instantly, after the cut is made,
the small piece comes back at the speed of the saw blade "REALLY FAST" and is
crotch level on a 6' person. It gives new meaning to the color purple, and no,
blue jeans will not slow it down.
My Dad, a retired Delta Airlines avionics wizard, gave me a couple of valuable
tips on grinder safety. 1- Always let the grinder run for 1 minute before using
or stepping into the path of the wheel. 2- NEVER grind aluminum. As you are
grinding, a small speck of aluminum may melt to the wheel. Every time the wheel
comes by the aluminum it picks up another layer of the metal driving it deeper
into the wheel similar to a wedge into a stick of firewood. I think you get
the picture.
Still singin' the high notes
Barry
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| Subject: | fuselage framing |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
A picture is always worth a 1000 words (or more, if it's a picture of a
female of the species ;o) so in the interest of clarifying the question
regarding the verticals of the side framing and the horizontals of the top
and bottom framing, look at the picture at
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/P1010101.JPG . This is a bare aft fuselage
of an unnamed, unidentified Piet located somewhere in the wilds of
Louisiana, and it clearly shows how the framing comes together at each node.
This should answer your question.
Sorry... no pictures of females.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: America Tour part 1 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
C'mon Chuck,
Do you really think with a woman along you would have managed to complete your
incredible journey?
DO NOT ARCHIVE. DO NOT PRINT. ERASE FROM MEMORY. RE-FORMAT HARD DRIVE. CHANGE
ISP's. NEVER LET MY WIFE KNOW I ASKED THIS RIDICULOUS QUESTION OF CHUCK.
Signed,
Anonymous
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| Subject: | Re: step a side with your push stick too |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Chris,
Hey...thanks for posting this. Now thats a cool product. I have never heard of
such device. It's so simple and makes such good sense. I wish I could be so
creative to invent such a device. I could have used this on the joiner last
weekend.
http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/product_details.cfm?&offerings_id=2077&catid=7&objectgroup_id=407&sid=AFA09
I have to say....every time I use the band saw, skill saw, radial arm, planer,
joiner... I cringe at the thought of messing up. In the 1970s as a kid, I watched
my grandfather saw off 4 fingers on his left hand sawing with a skill saw
on top of a roof. It is a wonder he didn't fall off and break his neck too.
My dad amazed me...sprang into action...tore off his own shirt to make a turnekit
(sp?). I thought my dad was incredible... he carried my grandfather down
the ladder, and loaded him into the car. My grandfather fainted 4 times on the
way to the emergency room.
--
Terry B
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator control cables |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Borodent@aol.com
I played at mock-ups with this for a long time and got no where. The only
conclusion I came up with is that there ought to be a double type bell crank----
such that the bell crank part going to the front cables faces them
perpendicular ( that is tipped -top forward,bottom back) and then on the same shaft
a
bellcrank perpendicular to the rear elevator cables. I havnt gotten this far yet
- just at this point an idea.
Henry Williams
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| Subject: | Re:Howard Henderson Pietenpol update |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
Wes Scott and I did the iron man run from mid Missouri
to Waynesboro, VA to pick up my new to me, Pietenpol,
N444MH, the Howard Henderson Pietenpol. Wes fabricated
racks for his car trailer and they worked great. The
only thing we had to redo was that we did not consider
the airleron horns and had to shim up the carpet
covered slides. The whole trip took 16 hours of clock
time and we drove straight through both ways. Got lots
of interest at gas stations and from passing cars and
trucks. Women were giving us the "eye", knowing that
we had to be two hot guys hauling that old airplane
around.
Anyway, next week sometime Wes will bring the plane
down here to Springfield, and we will rig the plane in
Ozark at the airport I have rented a covered space. I
know that sometime, the plane will have to be
completely enclosed in a hangar if I can find one
without giving Erectatube $325 a month like I do with
my Bonanza.
As per suggestions, yesterday I got in a Cub and did
some airwork, and then lots of landings. I have never
even SAT in a Cub, all my time from tailwheels was
from the mid 60's and in Champs.
I have to brag that these were some good landings,
even if I do say so myself. The instructor said I will
have no problem with the Piet. (knock on wood).
I will feel better about climbing into it, now, but
admit I will be plenty nervous. I am still soliciting
advice, so let it fly.
=====
Larry Nelson
Springfield, MO
Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
1963 GMC 4106-1618
SV/ Spirit of America
ARS WB0JOT
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| Subject: | Re:Howard Henderson Pietenpol update |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Larry Nelson stated,
"I will feel better about climbing into it, now, but
admit I will be plenty nervous. I am still soliciting
advice, so let it fly."
After takeoff....Whatever you do... lower the nose.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
--
Terry B
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| Subject: | Re:Howard Henderson Pietenpol update |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
Thanks Terry. I have that one written on my hand.
--- BARNSTMR@aol.com wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
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> Larry Nelson stated,
> "I will feel better about climbing into it, now, but
> admit I will be plenty nervous. I am still
> soliciting
> advice, so let it fly."
>
> After takeoff....Whatever you do... lower the nose.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> --
> Terry B
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Larry Nelson
Springfield, MO
Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
1963 GMC 4106-1618
SV/ Spirit of America
ARS WB0JOT
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| Subject: | Re:Howard Henderson Pietenpol update |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
Congrats Larry.
You have a beautiful airplane.
--
Terry B
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
Good deal, Larry Nelson on getting the Henderson Air Camper back to St.
Louis safely.
Glad to hear too that you only have some light rust on your tailwheel
skills and that you did good in the
Cub.
One thing to keep in mind when you do fly the Ford Piet for the first time
is that everything will happen in
slow motion as compared to the Cub. By that I mean that the controls will
not feel as crisp at 60 mph as they
do a 75 in a Cub. What a Ford Piet feels like to me is a 65 Continental
Piet in slow flight--or slow---er flight than
cruise.
The other thing you might notice is the fine aroma of Co and other exhaust
gases running along side your left earlobe
area. If you feel a headache or a bit of nausea, just lean out the right
side for a few minutes.
I found the radiator up front to not be a problem visibility wise since it
is far enough ahead of you to only block a small
portion of the horizon----and that during landing you are mostly
referencing the runway edges to keep yourself centered
anyway.
Lastly, I found that you come down pretty steeply with idle power on final
so carrying a tad of power might help you in
your first few landings, til you are in the round-out.
Have you been able to contact Howard's old buddy from Boeing who used to
ferry his plane to Wisconsin and back,
John Strutman ? He could give you some nice pointers on speeds,
techniques, etc. John was a nice guy the time
I met him at Brodhead. Course Howard would know the speeds and such
too. Larry Williams would be Mr. Ford flying advice too I'll bet.
Mike C.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Michael D Cuy <Michael.D.Cuy@grc.nasa.gov>
I just realized that Co is odorless. So in smelling exhaust gas, you can't
smell that or the H20 byproducts, but
all the other good stuff.
Mike C.
do not archive
PS----TED B.......are there any CORVAIR builders in your area ??? A guy
on the FlyBaby list is going thru a Corvair
conversion in NAPLES and knows all about W. Wynne, but is looking for a
buddy to bounce ideas off of. Hope you dodge IVAN.
Mike C. again
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| Subject: | elevator cable tension |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Ted notes-
>I detect that the front cables tighten and loosen at different rates
>between
>full back and full forward on the control stick. I wonder if anyone has
>offset the cable attachpoints on the stick to account for this and keep the
>tension even?
Well, I believe John Dilatush did that on "Mountain Piet", among others. I
have pictures of his airplane on my website at
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/John_piet.html but I didn't get any
pictures of the area behind the pilot's seat where the control horn is
located, and the ones that show the elevator and tail group really don't
show the full deflection scenario but I'm almost certain that John said his
cables don't rub the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer and the
cables both maintain tension through the full range of stick travel fore and
aft.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Front rudder bar |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ken Anderson" <piet4ken@mindspring.com>
connect rudder pedals together with a cable run frum one pedal back under
rear seat across and forward to other pedal
that would take the foot forces like rudder bar
ken
> [Original Message]
> From: <rhartwig11@juno.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Cc: <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/13/2004 7:08:49 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Front rudder bar
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: rhartwig11@juno.com
>
> "concerning moving the rudder bar to the front cockpit and connecting the
>
> rear pedals to the front rudder bar using solid tubing as has been
> discussed on this group"
>
> Rick,
> Others have done this successfully, hopefully they will chime in. There
> has been a lot said about doing things the way Bernard did
> them......well......on the "Last Original" built by Bernard there is no
> rudder bar. So, I guess sometimes even Bernard didn't follow the plans.
> That plane is owned by Bill Knight of Brodhead.
>
> Some have even suggested putting a "rudder bar" behind the rear seat--I
> haven't thought that one through.
> Dick Hartwig
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden control stick |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
Hello Ted,
I think a better option could be a piece of soft aluminum tubing on the
bottom of the metal stick, as fuse, it will have less strenth that the
one in the pilot's cabin but will bend or break in the bottom, no
debris to get hurt... Maybe a "chicken cable" inside so the stick
remains inside the cabin... Some full testing in the ground will be
advised. Well, just one point of view.
About 4 years ago, there was an incident with an ultralight, the
passenger (big guy) panicked and hold the stick really hard. The pilot
wrestled for the power from the front seat. the whole sistem got so
bent that there was hardly any movement of the controls, they BRS
parachuted down. They were on patern, he freezed the moment was told
they were getting ready to land. Guys on the strip could hear the
passenger yell all the way down... The fuselage was totaled but both
came out with only scratches, I was told was a hard landing even with
parachute they estimate about 400 fpm or more.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
--- Ted Brousseau <nfn00979@naples.net> wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Ted Brousseau"
> <nfn00979@naples.net>
>
> I have a variation of the wooden control stick debate. Years ago I
> had a
> passenger board at a charity event and I was worried about his
> motivations.
> It went well, but I immediately sawed of the front stick and inserted
> a
> broom stick so I could remove the front stick easily. This came in
> handy
> when filling the front passenger compartment full of gear on long
> X-C.
>
> Last year a biplane crashed because they believe a passenger in the
> front
> collapsed and forced the stick forward. I decided the best solution
> would
> be to make the same change I had already made except use balsa
> instead.
> This way I could leave in the stick for the passenger to use, but if
> he/she
> tried to overpower me, I would win because the front stick would
> break away.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Ted Brousseau
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| Subject: | Re: America Tour part 1 |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
coward!!!
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:43:18 -0400, BARNSTMR@aol.com wrote :
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: BARNSTMR@aol.com
>
> C'mon Chuck,
> Do you really think with a woman along you would have managed to complete
your incredible journey?
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE. DO NOT PRINT. ERASE FROM MEMORY. RE-FORMAT HARD
DRIVE. CHANGE ISP's. NEVER LET MY WIFE KNOW I ASKED THIS RIDICULOUS
QUESTION OF CHUCK.
>
> Signed,
> Anonymous
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| Subject: | Re:Howard Henderson Pietenpol update |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
Could you elaborate a little on that "Erectatube" part? Is that an ointment
or a pill???
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:46:26 -0700 (PDT), Larry Nelson
<lnelson208@yahoo.com> wrote :
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Wes Scott and I did the iron man run from mid Missouri
> to Waynesboro, VA to pick up my new to me, Pietenpol,
> N444MH, the Howard Henderson Pietenpol. Wes fabricated
> racks for his car trailer and they worked great. The
> only thing we had to redo was that we did not consider
> the airleron horns and had to shim up the carpet
> covered slides. The whole trip took 16 hours of clock
> time and we drove straight through both ways. Got lots
> of interest at gas stations and from passing cars and
> trucks. Women were giving us the "eye", knowing that
> we had to be two hot guys hauling that old airplane
> around.
>
> Anyway, next week sometime Wes will bring the plane
> down here to Springfield, and we will rig the plane in
> Ozark at the airport I have rented a covered space. I
> know that sometime, the plane will have to be
> completely enclosed in a hangar if I can find one
> without giving Erectatube $325 a month like I do with
> my Bonanza.
>
> As per suggestions, yesterday I got in a Cub and did
> some airwork, and then lots of landings. I have never
> even SAT in a Cub, all my time from tailwheels was
> from the mid 60's and in Champs.
>
> I have to brag that these were some good landings,
> even if I do say so myself. The instructor said I will
> have no problem with the Piet. (knock on wood).
>
> I will feel better about climbing into it, now, but
> admit I will be plenty nervous. I am still soliciting
> advice, so let it fly.
>
>
>
> =====
> Larry Nelson
> Springfield, MO
> Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
> 1963 GMC 4106-1618
> SV/ Spirit of America
> ARS WB0JOT
>
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| Subject: | Re:Howard Henderson Pietenpol update |
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Carl D. Vought" <carbarvo@knology.net>
Could you elaborate a little on that "Erectatube" part? Is that an ointment
or a pill???
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:46:26 -0700 (PDT), Larry Nelson
<lnelson208@yahoo.com> wrote :
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Wes Scott and I did the iron man run from mid Missouri
> to Waynesboro, VA to pick up my new to me, Pietenpol,
> N444MH, the Howard Henderson Pietenpol. Wes fabricated
> racks for his car trailer and they worked great. The
> only thing we had to redo was that we did not consider
> the airleron horns and had to shim up the carpet
> covered slides. The whole trip took 16 hours of clock
> time and we drove straight through both ways. Got lots
> of interest at gas stations and from passing cars and
> trucks. Women were giving us the "eye", knowing that
> we had to be two hot guys hauling that old airplane
> around.
>
> Anyway, next week sometime Wes will bring the plane
> down here to Springfield, and we will rig the plane in
> Ozark at the airport I have rented a covered space. I
> know that sometime, the plane will have to be
> completely enclosed in a hangar if I can find one
> without giving Erectatube $325 a month like I do with
> my Bonanza.
>
> As per suggestions, yesterday I got in a Cub and did
> some airwork, and then lots of landings. I have never
> even SAT in a Cub, all my time from tailwheels was
> from the mid 60's and in Champs.
>
> I have to brag that these were some good landings,
> even if I do say so myself. The instructor said I will
> have no problem with the Piet. (knock on wood).
>
> I will feel better about climbing into it, now, but
> admit I will be plenty nervous. I am still soliciting
> advice, so let it fly.
>
>
>
> =====
> Larry Nelson
> Springfield, MO
> Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A
> 1963 GMC 4106-1618
> SV/ Spirit of America
> ARS WB0JOT
>
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walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: George T. Alexander, Jr.
Subject: HR 5035
Walt:
The actual bill H. R. 5035
George
To require the Secretary of Homeland Security to provide the same screening of
all passengers and property that will be carried aboard a passenger aircraft operated
in the United States... (Introduced in House)
HR 5035 IH
108th CONGRESS
2d Session
H. R. 5035
To require the Secretary of Homeland Security to provide the same screening of
all passengers and property that will be carried aboard a passenger aircraft operated
in the United States by a person other than an air carrier as is provided
for all passengers and property that are carried aboard a passenger aircraft
operated by an air carrier, and for other purposes.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
September 8, 2004
Mr. WEINER introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on
Transportation and Infrastructure
A BILL
To require the Secretary of Homeland Security to provide the same screening of
all passengers and property that will be carried aboard a passenger aircraft operated
in the United States by a person other than an air carrier as is provided
for all passengers and property that are carried aboard a passenger aircraft
operated by an air carrier, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States
of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SCREENING FOR NONAIR-CARRIER AIRCRAFT.
(a) In General- The Secretary of Homeland Security shall provide the same screening
of all passengers and property that will be carried aboard a passenger
aircraft operated in the United States by a person other than an air carrier (as
defined in section 40102 of title 49, United States Code) as the screening
that is provided for all passengers and property that are carried aboard a passenger
aircraft operated by an air carrier under section 44901 of such title.
(b) Deadline for Beginning- On the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary
shall begin development of a plan, acquiring and training personnel, and acquiring
equipment for providing the screening required by subsection (a).
SEC. 2. SPECIAL RULES REGARDING FLIGHTS OF NONAIR-CARRIER AIRCRAFT.
(a) In General- The Secretary of Transportation shall take such action as may
be necessary to ensure that--
(1) no aircraft described in section 1 flies--
(A) within 1,500 feet of any structure or building; or
(B) over a city with a population of 1,000,000 or more or any other location
the Secretary of Homeland Security determines appropriate, except on approach
or departure to an airport; and
(2) the pilot of a flight of any aircraft described in section 1 remains in
contact with the Federal Aviation Administration regardless of the altitude of
such aircraft.
(b) Exceptions- The Secretary shall except from any requirement of subsection
(a) an aircraft carrying out such police, medical, or other operations as the
Secretary determines appropriate.
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OK, so if I have an Air Camper in my backyard (I live on a farm and have my
own runway and a hanger out back) and if this bill passes, I'm supposed to call
the Feds, ask them to drive 52 miles out here to my rural location in
Hicksville, TX and look at my plane and paperwork, EACH TIME before I can take
off
to look for a few head of cattle on Knot-2-Shabby Airport & Texas Longhorn
Cattle Ranch?
I guess I'll call the Feds in late October (Halloween) and dress up as
migratory sheep herder from Smellbadistan, just to get the Feds fired up when they
arrive at the gate to my ranchito. When the TSA guys get to my place, I'll tell
them this is how I dress up when I herd my farm animals on my ranch from a
two seater wooden Air Camper.
Hmm, now if I understand it, the sponsor of this bill doesn't want me flying
my Cherokee 140 over a city of more than a million people (NYC) but its OK to
fly over El Paso, >less than 1 mil? Is that to say the sponsor of the bill
thinks that people in smaller communities are less significant than people in
Chicago, or Phoenix or Houston?
This really stinks.
I think this Congressman needs to go to Smellbadistan so he can duke it out
with the real bad guys, not plane people like experimenters and GA.
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This posting re this proposed bill has already made the rounds of several other
user group sites. Couple comments I saw, 1) Mr. Wiener is a relatively young
unimportant House member from NY trying to keep his job by hyping his bill as
protecting his NY constituency, fur-git-a-bout-it, it's just hot air politics
as usual, in a season of lots of hot air, 2) It doesn't have a chance of getting
out of subcomittee, let alone, make it's way thru the entire Congress on
to the Pres for signing.
Gordon Bowen
N1033B
----- Original Message -----
From: N321TX@wmconnect.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: HR 5035
OK, so if I have an Air Camper in my backyard (I live on a farm and have my own
runway and a hanger out back) and if this bill passes, I'm supposed to call
the Feds, ask them to drive 52 miles out here to my rural location in Hicksville,
TX and look at my plane and paperwork, EACH TIME before I can take off to
look for a few head of cattle on Knot-2-Shabby Airport & Texas Longhorn Cattle
Ranch?
I guess I'll call the Feds in late October (Halloween) and dress up as migratory
sheep herder from Smellbadistan, just to get the Feds fired up when they arrive
at the gate to my ranchito. When the TSA guys get to my place, I'll tell
them this is how I dress up when I herd my farm animals on my ranch from a two
seater wooden Air Camper.
Hmm, now if I understand it, the sponsor of this bill doesn't want me flying
my Cherokee 140 over a city of more than a million people (NYC) but its OK to
fly over El Paso, >less than 1 mil? Is that to say the sponsor of the bill thinks
that people in smaller communities are less significant than people in Chicago,
or Phoenix or Houston?
This really stinks.
I think this Congressman needs to go to Smellbadistan so he can duke it out with
the real bad guys, not plane people like experimenters and GA.
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But if just ONE important House member does sign on, this bill could cause a lot
of heart burn for GA.
Cy Galley
Safety Programs Editor
Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: Gordon Bowen
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: HR 5035
This posting re this proposed bill has already made the rounds of several other
user group sites. Couple comments I saw, 1) Mr. Wiener is a relatively young
unimportant House member from NY trying to keep his job by hyping his bill
as protecting his NY constituency, fur-git-a-bout-it, it's just hot air politics
as usual, in a season of lots of hot air, 2) It doesn't have a chance of getting
out of subcomittee, let alone, make it's way thru the entire Congress on
to the Pres for signing.
Gordon Bowen
N1033B
----- Original Message -----
From: N321TX@wmconnect.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: HR 5035
OK, so if I have an Air Camper in my backyard (I live on a farm and have my
own runway and a hanger out back) and if this bill passes, I'm supposed to call
the Feds, ask them to drive 52 miles out here to my rural location in Hicksville,
TX and look at my plane and paperwork, EACH TIME before I can take off
to look for a few head of cattle on Knot-2-Shabby Airport & Texas Longhorn Cattle
Ranch?
I guess I'll call the Feds in late October (Halloween) and dress up as migratory
sheep herder from Smellbadistan, just to get the Feds fired up when they
arrive at the gate to my ranchito. When the TSA guys get to my place, I'll tell
them this is how I dress up when I herd my farm animals on my ranch from a
two seater wooden Air Camper.
Hmm, now if I understand it, the sponsor of this bill doesn't want me flying
my Cherokee 140 over a city of more than a million people (NYC) but its OK to
fly over El Paso, >less than 1 mil? Is that to say the sponsor of the bill thinks
that people in smaller communities are less significant than people in Chicago,
or Phoenix or Houston?
This really stinks.
I think this Congressman needs to go to Smellbadistan so he can duke it out
with the real bad guys, not plane people like experimenters and GA.
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--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "John Ford" <Jford@indstate.edu>
Is this the Monica of the 00s? Why can't these people simply figure out
how to fund education, police, firefighters and Social Security? Or
just ONE of the aforementioned? Good grief. Makes me proud to be able
to tie my own shoelaces (something which I am confident NONE of these
guys probably knows how to do). At least with Monica we had some
entertainment...
John
do not archive
John Ford
john@indstate.edu
812-237-8542
>>> cgalley@qcbc.org Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:25:23 PM >>>
But if just ONE important House member does sign on, this bill could
cause a lot of heart burn for GA.
Cy Galley
Safety Programs Editor
Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: Gordon Bowen
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: HR 5035
This posting re this proposed bill has already made the rounds of
several other user group sites. Couple comments I saw, 1) Mr. Wiener is
a relatively young unimportant House member from NY trying to keep his
job by hyping his bill as protecting his NY constituency,
fur-git-a-bout-it, it's just hot air politics as usual, in a season of
lots of hot air, 2) It doesn't have a chance of getting out of
subcomittee, let alone, make it's way thru the entire Congress on to the
Pres for signing.
Gordon Bowen
N1033B
----- Original Message -----
From: N321TX@wmconnect.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: HR 5035
OK, so if I have an Air Camper in my backyard (I live on a farm and
have my own runway and a hanger out back) and if this bill passes, I'm
supposed to call the Feds, ask them to drive 52 miles out here to my
rural location in Hicksville, TX and look at my plane and paperwork,
EACH TIME before I can take off to look for a few head of cattle on
Knot-2-Shabby Airport & Texas Longhorn Cattle Ranch?
I guess I'll call the Feds in late October (Halloween) and dress up
as migratory sheep herder from Smellbadistan, just to get the Feds fired
up when they arrive at the gate to my ranchito. When the TSA guys get to
my place, I'll tell them this is how I dress up when I herd my farm
animals on my ranch from a two seater wooden Air Camper.
Hmm, now if I understand it, the sponsor of this bill doesn't want
me flying my Cherokee 140 over a city of more than a million people
(NYC) but its OK to fly over El Paso, >less than 1 mil? Is that to say
the sponsor of the bill thinks that people in smaller communities are
less significant than people in Chicago, or Phoenix or Houston?
This really stinks.
I think this Congressman needs to go to Smellbadistan so he can
duke it out with the real bad guys, not plane people like experimenters
and GA.
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